College Admissions Fraud

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Another Bear
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Saget is a dirty old man not for marrying young but because he has one of the foulest mouths ever...contrary to his nice TV dad image. Look for his "Aristocrats" piece. (Carlin however is king on that.)
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Another Bear said:

Saget is a dirty old man not for marrying young but because he has one of the foulest mouths ever...contrary to his nice TV dad image. Look for his "Aristocrats" piece. (Carlin however is king on that.)
Bob is one of the funniest comics ever. Then again, I love crude humor. His stuff on Pandora makes cry from laughing so hard.
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Another Bear said:

Saget is a dirty old man not for marrying young but because he has one of the foulest mouths ever...contrary to his nice TV dad image. Look for his "Aristocrats" piece. (Carlin however is king on that.)

One of my earliest childhood memories is of my mom buying pastrami from Bob Saget when he worked as a butcher.


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TDub said:

Another Bear said:

Saget is a dirty old man not for marrying young but because he has one of the foulest mouths ever...contrary to his nice TV dad image. Look for his "Aristocrats" piece. (Carlin however is king on that.)
Bob is one of the funniest comics ever. Then again, I love crude humor. His stuff on Pandora makes cry from laughing so hard.

Random Bob Saget fact that you may or may not know.

He is also the TV father of Kat Dennings (left) and "Captain Marvel" Brie Larson (right).





okaydo
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The Pac-12 has so many "elite" schools.

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FIFY.

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sosheezy said:

Dylan Klumph peripherally associated

I don't see too much controversy there given Klumph actually was a capable punter for our team.
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Another Bear said:

Saget is a dirty old man not for marrying young but because he has one of the foulest mouths ever...contrary to his nice TV dad image. Look for his "Aristocrats" piece. (Carlin however is king on that.)

I have the pleasure of knowing Bob. In real life he's one of the nicest, most down to earth and funny guys around.
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Okaydo, thanks for the Aunt Becky/Full House primer. Yes, after I went off to college (before Full House premiered), I pretty much stopped watching network television, especially sitcoms (with the exception of some Seinfeld). The one connection I sort of had with the show was when people would tell me I looked like Bob Saget and I was like "Who?", but then I had to go find out who he was (some resemblance, 20-30 yrs ago, but...).

I still think Aunt Becky would be a good porn name.
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NYCGOBEARS said:

Another Bear said:

Saget is a dirty old man not for marrying young but because he has one of the foulest mouths ever...contrary to his nice TV dad image. Look for his "Aristocrats" piece. (Carlin however is king on that.)

I have the pleasure of knowing Bob. In real life he's one of the nicest, most down to earth and funny guys around.


...and speaking of foul mouths, I found this hysterical:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9203078/
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That is not Bob the Nob Saget. Please say it isn't ?
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01Bear said:

OneTopOneChickenApple said:

golden sloth said:

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I am shocked, SHOCKED, that ...

Corruption is America.
USC, the last bastion for the ignorant rich.

Seriously though, everyone always knew you can undeservingly buy your way into an elite private school, I'm more surprised the feds are cracking down.
It's one thing if your kid has the same qualifications as another and you pay to get him/her in. Cheating on SAT's with crooked proctors and test takers crosses an even further line.

Serious question: How so?
IIRC, the SAT and ACT tests are conducted by private corporations. There is no requirement that any school use these tests for admissions considerations. There's also no requirement that these tests be applied equally across the board to all test-takers. Why, then, is paying for additional time or paying for a substitute test taker "crossing the line?" Sure, it violates a sense of fair-play, but if it's not illegal, why is it any worse than hiring test-prep tutors?
It is illegal because it is fraud. You are selling yourself or your children to the prospective school and the school is getting false advertisement of the skills you represent. In each application, the clear bar is that the information on the application is basically a contract stating the information is accurate.

Creating a whole scam to perpetrate these crimes on a large basis makes it part of a conspiracy to commit fraud. The victims here are the schools themselves, who have high standards and were sold a bill of goods.


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Oski87 said:

01Bear said:

OneTopOneChickenApple said:

golden sloth said:

Bobodeluxe said:

I am shocked, SHOCKED, that ...

Corruption is America.
USC, the last bastion for the ignorant rich.

Seriously though, everyone always knew you can undeservingly buy your way into an elite private school, I'm more surprised the feds are cracking down.
It's one thing if your kid has the same qualifications as another and you pay to get him/her in. Cheating on SAT's with crooked proctors and test takers crosses an even further line.

Serious question: How so?
IIRC, the SAT and ACT tests are conducted by private corporations. There is no requirement that any school use these tests for admissions considerations. There's also no requirement that these tests be applied equally across the board to all test-takers. Why, then, is paying for additional time or paying for a substitute test taker "crossing the line?" Sure, it violates a sense of fair-play, but if it's not illegal, why is it any worse than hiring test-prep tutors?
It is illegal because it is fraud. You are selling yourself or your children to the prospective school and the school is getting false advertisement of the skills you represent. In each application, the clear bar is that the information on the application is basically a contract stating the information is accurate.

Creating a whole scam to perpetrate these crimes on a large basis makes it part of a conspiracy to commit fraud. The victims here are the schools themselves, who have high standards and were sold a bill of goods.






https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/03/14/business/dealbook/college-admissions-bribes.amp.html


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1346
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okaydo said:


And even many kids born in the mid-2000s watching Full House (Generation Z).
Yup. My daughters, both born in the mid-2000s, have probably watched every episode of Full House, and posed for pictures in front of the Full House house in SF.
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socaltownie said:

71Bear said:

Sebastabear said:

TheFiatLux said:

Bobodeluxe said:

How about that son of a friend that Teddy brought on as a preferred walk on quarterback. We ain't all that different.
You understand, if someone ACTUALLY played on the team, and if no one got paid for that person to get into Cal, then, that is actually TOTALLY, as in completely 100% different.

It's ealry, I was working late last night, but come on man.
Seriously people. We sometimes work so hard to find equivalency it's ridiculous. No, we do not have employees engaging in the same fraud as USC, yes we have tons of safeguards to prevent this stuff from happening and yes we are free to make fun of Stanford and USC without fear of hypocrisy. Please spare us the "glass houses" BS.
All the safeguards in the world will not prevent an unethical coach from going rogue (i.e, the Stanford sailing coach). Your comment smacks of hubris. Cal dodged a bullet on this one. Next time there is some kind of scandal? Who knows...
My issue is a slight extension of this - should ANY college (especially an elite private one) HAVE a sailing team with "preferred walk ons" or "recruits." Again, a kid from South Central is not mastering the 16ft hobby cat class and figuring out how to properly set a jib for maximum speed around the leeward leg. _IF_ such programs were self sufficient I probably wouldn't care. But they are subsidized one the backs of kids playing revenue sports - which are overwhelmingly kids of color. Seriously, let that one sink in for a bit.

I do not consider myself that liberal. I am not down to radical income redistribution. But I don't like the idea that those already with advantages are gaining additional ones off of groups that, historically, have been at disadvantage. I guess growing up in Berkeley had SOME effect ;-)
It turns out that any institution can have it's own rules about how it is run and what it does without approval from the rest of society, unless it is infringing on your rights. We call that the constitution. What right do you have to tell Stanford what it can't do?

I mean, they are asshats but if they want to have a sailing team, let them. We have a rugby team and they don't, and you don't hear us complaining about that...
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BearSD said:

okaydo said:


And even many kids born in the mid-2000s watching Full House (Generation Z).
Yup. My daughters, both born in the mid-2000s, have probably watched every episode of Full House, and posed for pictures in front of the Full House house in SF.

ive started a kickstarter to bail them out
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Bear lawyers, etc...
Do you think they will prosecute on the fraud charges or go for the easier tax evasion charges based on deducting for donations to fake charities?
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Oski87 said:

socaltownie said:

71Bear said:

Sebastabear said:

TheFiatLux said:

Bobodeluxe said:

How about that son of a friend that Teddy brought on as a preferred walk on quarterback. We ain't all that different.
You understand, if someone ACTUALLY played on the team, and if no one got paid for that person to get into Cal, then, that is actually TOTALLY, as in completely 100% different.

It's ealry, I was working late last night, but come on man.
Seriously people. We sometimes work so hard to find equivalency it's ridiculous. No, we do not have employees engaging in the same fraud as USC, yes we have tons of safeguards to prevent this stuff from happening and yes we are free to make fun of Stanford and USC without fear of hypocrisy. Please spare us the "glass houses" BS.
All the safeguards in the world will not prevent an unethical coach from going rogue (i.e, the Stanford sailing coach). Your comment smacks of hubris. Cal dodged a bullet on this one. Next time there is some kind of scandal? Who knows...
My issue is a slight extension of this - should ANY college (especially an elite private one) HAVE a sailing team with "preferred walk ons" or "recruits." Again, a kid from South Central is not mastering the 16ft hobby cat class and figuring out how to properly set a jib for maximum speed around the leeward leg. _IF_ such programs were self sufficient I probably wouldn't care. But they are subsidized one the backs of kids playing revenue sports - which are overwhelmingly kids of color. Seriously, let that one sink in for a bit.

I do not consider myself that liberal. I am not down to radical income redistribution. But I don't like the idea that those already with advantages are gaining additional ones off of groups that, historically, have been at disadvantage. I guess growing up in Berkeley had SOME effect ;-)
It turns out that any institution can have it's own rules about how it is run and what it does without approval from the rest of society, unless it is infringing on your rights. We call that the constitution. What right do you have to tell Stanford what it can't do?

I mean, they are asshats but if they want to have a sailing team, let them. We have a rugby team and they don't, and you don't hear us complaining about that...

uh, you know this isn't about rugby or sailing right? Just doing a bed check
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touchdownbears43 said:

okaydo said:

Lori Loughlin was in Vancouver filming one of her many Hallmark Channel projects. She's the biggest star and the face of that cable network. Her arrest was delayed because she had to fly down from Canada yesterday. During her arraignment, the judge wanted to confiscate her passport, as was done to Felicity Huffman, but he relented because she had so much Hallmark Channel work to do in Vancouver in the coming months.

This afternoon Hallmark Channel fired her. And one of her shows (next episode airing Sunday) was pulled from the schedule.

When she's ultimately punished, it shouldn't be an inconvenience. It should be a deterrence.






Fist bump for Hallmark. Justice.
Part of the reason why she was fired was because the Judge did end up taking her passport so she could not do the shows...
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Thanks for filling that important gap .
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TDub said:

Sebastabear said:

TDub said:

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Big C said:

I'm so glad I lived all of my life (until this week) not knowing who Olivia Jade was.
Oh, come on. The world needs more Instagram influencers.
Last night:

Me: I heard she is an influencer
Mrs: What is an influencer?
Me: ........ummmmm...I thought you would know what that means, so I just threw it out there....


Is there a new term for the opposite of an 'influencer'? That's me. Neither my kids nor my wife nor my friends listen to me. That's why I come here.
I'm sorry, 82grad did you say something? Oh well, couldn't be too important anyway.

Anyone seen the latest from Olivia Jade? What a big mouth. She says daddy faked his way through college. He took the money his parents gave him for school and used it to start Massimo. Well lucky him. What a great example to tell your kids and have them follow in your footsteps. BTW, to all tennis fans, I believe there is an ad for Massimo on the walls of the tennis court at Indian Wells. Got to be embarrassing to have that there this weekend.
People still wear Massimo?


I'm adding "what's a Massimo" to the list of questions I legitimately could not have answered before this story broke.
No joke, the last time I saw a Massimo product was back in the late 80's and the last thing I ever wore from Massimo were some beach flip flops in the late 80's.


Mossimo was bought by Target, and is their in-store fancy brand.
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I bet Winnie Cooper picks up some extra Hallmark channel work as a result. She's a staple.
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Adding "What's a Winnie Cooper?" to the list. Damn I may need to get some kind of glossary of things I don't know made up after this scandal.
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cal83dls79
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Definition #1. I just Winnie Coopered all over myself.
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She was the literal girl next door love interest of the main character, Kevin. She still acts. She also writes math books. Dynamic.
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Oski87 said:

touchdownbears43 said:

okaydo said:

Lori Loughlin was in Vancouver filming one of her many Hallmark Channel projects. She's the biggest star and the face of that cable network. Her arrest was delayed because she had to fly down from Canada yesterday. During her arraignment, the judge wanted to confiscate her passport, as was done to Felicity Huffman, but he relented because she had so much Hallmark Channel work to do in Vancouver in the coming months.

This afternoon Hallmark Channel fired her. And one of her shows (next episode airing Sunday) was pulled from the schedule.

When she's ultimately punished, it shouldn't be an inconvenience. It should be a deterrence.






Fist bump for Hallmark. Justice.
Part of the reason why she was fired was because the Judge did end up taking her passport so she could not do the shows...


Nope...
https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/lori-loughlin-bail-admissions-scandal-1203162547/


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KenBurnski said:



Fun fact (that I learned listening to Howard Stern): One of the people pictured above has been married to a porn star for two decades.

Also, here's a recent pic.


KenBurnski
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Wayne always WAS a little edgy . . .

I apologize to the thread for the 90s TV tangent. I'm done.
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Oski87 said:

TDub said:

Sebastabear said:

TDub said:

Bear8 said:

82gradDLSdad said:

MSaviolives said:

OneTopOneChickenApple said:

Big C said:

I'm so glad I lived all of my life (until this week) not knowing who Olivia Jade was.
Oh, come on. The world needs more Instagram influencers.
Last night:

Me: I heard she is an influencer
Mrs: What is an influencer?
Me: ........ummmmm...I thought you would know what that means, so I just threw it out there....


Is there a new term for the opposite of an 'influencer'? That's me. Neither my kids nor my wife nor my friends listen to me. That's why I come here.
I'm sorry, 82grad did you say something? Oh well, couldn't be too important anyway.

Anyone seen the latest from Olivia Jade? What a big mouth. She says daddy faked his way through college. He took the money his parents gave him for school and used it to start Massimo. Well lucky him. What a great example to tell your kids and have them follow in your footsteps. BTW, to all tennis fans, I believe there is an ad for Massimo on the walls of the tennis court at Indian Wells. Got to be embarrassing to have that there this weekend.
People still wear Massimo?


I'm adding "what's a Massimo" to the list of questions I legitimately could not have answered before this story broke.
No joke, the last time I saw a Massimo product was back in the late 80's and the last thing I ever wore from Massimo were some beach flip flops in the late 80's.


Mossimo was bought by Target, and is their in-store fancy brand.



LOL
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KenBurnski said:

She was the literal girl next door love interest of the main character, Kevin. She still acts. She also writes math books. Dynamic.
math books?
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Yeah, Danica McKellar is/was a serious math student from ucla. She has published several significant math papers.

Don't ask me how I know this...
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Okay lawyers...

Target bought the Mossimo line of apparel and has been marketing it using his name as an attraction. Presumably they paid a premium for that cachet, name recognition.

Since Mossimo has gone and done something rash and hasty, i.e. STUPID, can Target sue him for the los of value associated with his soiled name?
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Target dropped Mossimo in 2017 according to all the recent press.
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I'll have to tell my wife that she needs to update her info!

Thanks!
 
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