QB depth chart

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calumnus
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Hopefully Garbers is OK and plays.

IF not, hopefully Modster rebounds and plays great and stays healthy himself (we had a bit of a scare when Modster took a big hit).

Some want Brasch. At 6'4" 180 he definitely can use a year in the strength program, but if he is the best he should play.

Listed behind Modster is actually Robby Rowell, local kid, walkon from Acalanes. Anybody have any insight? His high school stats look pretty good. Now 6'3" 220.

Not listed on the depth chart was Jack Newman the JC transfer from SFCC, which is actually a little surprising, since normally a JC transfer would be above a walkon and a skinny true-freshman.

Big C
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Newman is a JC transfer walk-on. The one thing he has going for himself, supposedly, is a live arm, especially for his (small) size.

Rowell is a walk-on for a reason. Not to dis him, nor to say he couldn't come in and be a game manager for us, for a bit.

Seems like they could simplify the playbook for Brasch. Heck, he should be getting his four games in anyway, in one way or another. If Modster continues to falter, that seems like the right move. But...

Modster will look better. Only one way to go and that is up. Remember, for the games he wasn't eligible, they HAD TO give 2nd string practice reps to someone who could actually come in. Supposedly he throws a nice long ball? Let's see it: At least it will stretch the defense a little bit.
UrsineMaximus
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A result of not being able to put away teams (UC Davis, UNT) is that we were never able to comfortably play our second or third string or allow Brasch to use some of his 4 games. Strategically bad all around and very poor manipulation of the 4-game rule (gift).
calumnus
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Big C said:

Newman is a JC transfer walk-on. The one thing he has going for himself, supposedly, is a live arm, especially for his (small) size.

Rowell is a walk-on for a reason. Not to dis him, nor to say he couldn't come in and be a game manager for us, for a bit.

Seems like they could simplify the playbook for Brasch. Heck, he should be getting his four games in anyway, in one way or another. If Modster continues to falter, that seems like the right move. But...

Modster will look better. Only one way to go and that is up. Remember, for the games he wasn't eligible, they HAD TO give 2nd string practice reps to someone who could actually come in. Supposedly he throws a nice long ball? Let's see it: At least it will stretch the defense a little bit.


It would be really good if Kekoa Crawford is healthy. That would really help the passing game, no matter who the QB is going to be.
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UrsineMaximus said:

A result of not being able to put away teams (UC Davis, UNT) is that we were never able to comfortably play our second or third string or allow Brasch to use some of his 4 games. Strategically bad all around and very poor manipulation of the 4-game rule (gift).
Who said we won't see Brasch later in the season? He can play in any four games during the season (incl. a bowl game) and be eligible for a redshirt.
calumnus
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71Bear said:

UrsineMaximus said:

A result of not being able to put away teams (UC Davis, UNT) is that we were never able to comfortably play our second or third string or allow Brasch to use some of his 4 games. Strategically bad all around and very poor manipulation of the 4-game rule (gift).
Who said we won't see Brasch later in the season? He can play in any four games during the season (incl. a bowl game) and be eligible for a redshirt.


Looking at the schedule, even the most optimistic are hoping for narrow victories against tough opponents. Few games ahead are likely to be Cal blowouts by big margins where the reserves get in. Even if we are down big, I expect our coaches to keep fighting.
71Bear
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calumnus said:

71Bear said:

UrsineMaximus said:

A result of not being able to put away teams (UC Davis, UNT) is that we were never able to comfortably play our second or third string or allow Brasch to use some of his 4 games. Strategically bad all around and very poor manipulation of the 4-game rule (gift).
Who said we won't see Brasch later in the season? He can play in any four games during the season (incl. a bowl game) and be eligible for a redshirt.


Looking at the schedule, even the most optimistic are hoping for narrow victories against tough opponents. Few games ahead are likely to be Cal blowouts by big margins where the reserves get in. Even if we are down big, I expect our coaches to keep fighting.
I don't expect to see Brasch. However, I was responding to a comment that implied (my reading) his redshirt season was lost because he did not participate in any games to date.
MugsVanSant
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Several of Modster's passes were dropped. He appeared to throw harder than Garbers did. Hopefully the receivers will adjust. If those passes had not been dropped it is likely that the outcome would have been different.
calumnus
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MugsVanSant said:

Several of Modster's passes were dropped. He appeared to throw harder than Garbers did. Hopefully the receivers will adjust. If those passes had not been dropped it is likely that the outcome would have been different.


How the team looks this week, win or lose, will tell us a lot about the rest of the season.
oskidunker
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If Rowell was getting all the back up minutes in practice why didnt he come in?
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calumnus
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oskidunker said:

If Rowell was getting all the back up minutes in practice why didnt he come in?


Wilcox didn't want Modster getting the backup minutes until he was actually eligible, which was apparently last week. Until then he was preparing a backup that could actually play if needed. Makes sense, but did not put Modster in a good situation when Garbers went down.
Econ141
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calumnus said:

oskidunker said:

If Rowell was getting all the back up minutes in practice why didnt he come in?


Wilcox didn't want Modster getting the backup minutes until he was actually eligible, which was apparently last week. Until then he was preparing a backup that could actually play if needed. Makes sense, but did not put Modster in a good situation when Garbers went down.


Ok sonwhy is Brasch now ahead of Rowell? What kind of show is Beau running?
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fat_slice said:

calumnus said:

oskidunker said:

If Rowell was getting all the back up minutes in practice why didnt he come in?


Wilcox didn't want Modster getting the backup minutes until he was actually eligible, which was apparently last week. Until then he was preparing a backup that could actually play if needed. Makes sense, but did not put Modster in a good situation when Garbers went down.


Ok sonwhy is Brasch now ahead of Rowell? What kind of show is Beau running?


It is possible for things to change. For example, if Modster doesn't pan out, taking a chance with Brasch might not be bad if he's really the guy in the future.

I know a lot of fans really hate BB for what happened with the offense last year, but changing folks on the QB depth chart, or forbid, backups improving and jumping over each other, isn't always some sort of brain failure on his part. This does happen normally.
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I'm assuming that Wilcox was planning on committing to a redshirt year for Brasch which is why Rowell was higher. With Garbers out, we no longer have the luxury to commit to that plan. Still a possibility if Modster is healthy that Brasch can still get a RS though. To me, the QB strategy and shakeup in the depth chart makes sense.
oskidunker
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Rowell was a guy who would come in for one play if Garbers went out.
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PtownBear1
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It makes sense not giving Modster reps while he was ineligible, as we obviously needed another backup prepared in the event something happened during the first several games, but what doesn't make sense to me is why the player that did receive those second string reps wasn't inserted into the game when Garbers went down.

If Brasch had been taking second string reps for the first quarter of the season, then shouldn't he have come in the ASU game instead of an unprepared Modster?
Big C
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PtownBear1 said:

It makes sense not giving Modster reps while he was ineligible, as we obviously needed another backup prepared in the event something happened during the first several games, but what doesn't make sense to me is why the player that did receive those second string reps wasn't inserted into the game when Garbers went down.

If Brasch had been taking second string reps for the first quarter of the season, then shouldn't he have come in the ASU game instead of an unprepared Modster?
Modster: Without question, second best "right now" QB, after Garbers, but was ineligible in Weeks 1-3.

Rowell: Might have been 3rd best early on, when Brasch was still very new in the system.

Brasch: Perhaps has recently past Rowell up, or certainly will have by next season. Seen as a possible future starter.

Coaches gave Modster lots of reps in Spring and Fall practice. For games 1-3, when he was ineligible, it made sense to give the practice time to players who could play, in case there was an injury. Beginning Week Four (Ole Miss), Modster was now eligible and got the 2nd string reps in practice.
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eastbayyoungbear said:



I know a lot of fans really hate BB for what happened with the offense last year....


I don't "hate" Baldwin, but it wasn't just last year.

This is Baldwin's third year of fielding offenses that are at the bottom of the conference and among the worst in the country after taking over an offense that was #1 in the Pac-12 and among the best in the country and returned all of the highest rated players, our leading rusher, a 5 star Freshman All-American receiver, another speedy 4 star receiver, a TE that looked great as a freshman, most of a young OL that protected The QB well and added a 4 star QB recruit and a 5 star QB transfer.
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calumnus said:

eastbayyoungbear said:

fat_slice said:

calumnus said:

oskidunker said:

If Rowell was getting all the back up minutes in practice why didnt he come in?


Wilcox didn't want Modster getting the backup minutes until he was actually eligible, which was apparently last week. Until then he was preparing a backup that could actually play if needed. Makes sense, but did not put Modster in a good situation when Garbers went down.


Ok sonwhy is Brasch now ahead of Rowell? What kind of show is Beau running?
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I know a lot of fans really hate BB for what happened with the offense last year....


This is Baldwin's third year of fielding offenses that are at the bottom of the conference or among the worst in the country after taking over an offense that was #1 in the Pac-12 and among the best in the country and returned all of the highest rated players, most of a young OL and added a 4 star QB recruit and a 5 star QB transfer.
Calumnus - I agree with you Baldwin's track record at Cal is bad.

But please, Cal's offense in 2016 was NOT "#1 in the Pac-12 and among the best in the country."

- In 2016, Cal ranked 44th in yards per play, 6th in the Pac-12 behind #41 Arizona, #38 Washington State, #21 USC, #20 Oregon and #11 Washington: https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-play?date=2017-01-10
(Note, in 2015, for one year we were indeed exceptional, 6th in the country and tops in the Pac-12 in this category).

- In 2016, Cal ranked 42nd in points per play, 5th in the Pac-12 behind #37 Oregon, #31 USC, #27 Washington State, #4 Washington: https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/points-per-play?date=2017-01-10
(Note in 2015, we were 30th in the country and 4th in the Pac-12 behind Stanford, Oregon and USC in this category).

You shouldn't just get credit for having higher totals when you run a ton of plays, also giving your opponents a ton of plays. Efficiency, not totals, are a better way to judge an offense. But even if you just look at total scoring, Cal was not at the top of the Pac-12 in 2016:

- In 2016, Cal ranked 20th in points per game, 3rd in the Pac-12 behind #16 Washington State and #7 Washington: https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/points-per-game?date=2017-01-10
(Note in 2015, we were 26th in the country and 3rd in the Pac-12 behind Oregon and Stanford in this category).

Was our 2016 offense better than our current offense? Sure by any statistical measure I've looked at. Even better in 2015 with Goff. But that's because, as you point out, our current offense isn't much good.

To repeat, passing the ball a bazillion times at high tempo under Dykes DID NOT make us one of the top offenses in the country in 2016, nor the #1 offense in the Pac-12 in 2016.

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Aside:
If you want to talk about inheriting players, we can also look at all the players Dykes benefited from (offense and defense) that were at Cal or coming to Cal regardless before Dykes showed up, starting with #1 NFL draft pick Goff, Treggs, Harper, Lawler etc., in addition to multiple defensive players who were key contributors to our not so terrible defense in 2015 - Dykes fans loved to say the cupboard was bare, but it was not, then or now.

Again, agreed that BB has not proven anything positive while at Cal so far when you look at production in aggregate.
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Modster is definitely good enough to play well, and even shine, though last week was somewhat inauspicious.
oskidunker
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You could have fooled me.
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BearlyClad
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oskidunker said:

You could have fooled me.
I guess you missed the game where he played against us.
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PtownBear1 said:

It makes sense not giving Modster reps while he was ineligible, as we obviously needed another backup prepared in the event something happened during the first several games, but what doesn't make sense to me is why the player that did receive those second string reps wasn't inserted into the game when Garbers went down.

If Brasch had been taking second string reps for the first quarter of the season, then shouldn't he have come in the ASU game instead of an unprepared Modster?
Not if Modster got second string reps for that week's game plan. At some point the order and availability of your QBs change and so does the focus on who is going to play. Modster came out of Fall camp as the No. 2 but couldn't play for a few games - big deal. When we needed him and he was available he had few practices to get back up to speed. Previous games when he wasn't available he wasn't running as the No. 2 in practice.

There is no sinister plot here or bad coaching going on. It's just circumstances.
Rushinbear
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BearlyClad said:

Modster is definitely good enough to play well, and even shine, though last week was somewhat inauspicious.
"Receivers Rally Around Modster." That headline made me wonder which qb the players thought should start? Sure, they're gonna rally around Modster, now that he's starting. But, what if THEY thought he was better all along?
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Rushinbear said:

BearlyClad said:

Modster is definitely good enough to play well, and even shine, though last week was somewhat inauspicious.
"Receivers Rally Around Modster." That headline made me wonder which qb the players thought should start? Sure, they're gonna rally around Modster, now that he's starting. But, what if THEY thought he was better all along?
Wouldn't matter if he wasn't eligible.
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GoBears635 said:

Rushinbear said:

BearlyClad said:

Modster is definitely good enough to play well, and even shine, though last week was somewhat inauspicious.
"Receivers Rally Around Modster." That headline made me wonder which qb the players thought should start? Sure, they're gonna rally around Modster, now that he's starting. But, what if THEY thought he was better all along?
Wouldn't matter if he wasn't eligible.
But now he is and it does.
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