Central vs Sierra Canyon is on right now.
WR Jeremiah Hunter & DT Ricky Correia are playing a really good game. Hunter just took a screen pass for the distance.

Quality teams. Hunter is very impressive. He will be hard to keep off the field next season as a true frosh.

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Quality teams. Hunter is very impressive. He will be hard to keep off the field next season as a true frosh.

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Yeah, he looks legit.

StillABear1 said:

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Quality teams. Hunter is very impressive. He will be hard to keep off the field next season as a true frosh.

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Yeah, that is a really interesting phrase. We heard that in 2004 with Marshawn and again with Jahvid Best. It implies the default is coaches really don't want to play freshmen. It is an underlying belief passed down from previous eras that really needs to be thrown out in the modern era of early entry, grad transfer, transfer portal....

Cal played true freshmen this year, including at receiver, so I doubt Hunter would be held out if he was worthy. But, hopefully, the other receivers would be so good that we could afford the luxury of holding him out. As for Correia, some serious weight training and nutrition time will take care of any excess baggage.

Corona Del Mar v. Serra... Garbers the Younger looks like a good QB prospect. He has a nice touch on his throws. Of course, it helps having guys like Redman and Humphreys (Washington and Stanford, respectively) available to catch the ball.

He gone, Udub commit.

Cal didn't even recruit him i.e. offer him.

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He gone, Udub commit.

Cal didn't even recruit him i.e. offer him.

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I know. He and Redman will make a formidable pass/catch duo in the future....

Derek Loville's nephew (I think) looked amazing for Serra...6' receiver...made one of the best one handed catches you will ever see...apparently only mid major offers...
This Bosco QB going to Clemson is the most physically dominant quarterback I have ever seen at this level.

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Derek Loville's nephew (I think) looked amazing for Serra...6' receiver...made one of the best one handed catches you will ever see...apparently only mid major offers...
This Bosco QB going to Clemson is the most physically dominant quarterback I have ever seen at this level.

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Yeah, he and Mater Dei's Young (Alabama) are going to be threats to participate in the CFP on a regular basis in the years to come. This is the new landscape of college football - premier recruits from California going out of state so they can have a realistic shot at the playoffs....

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kad02002 said:

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Derek Loville's nephew (I think) looked amazing for Serra...6' receiver...made one of the best one handed catches you will ever see...apparently only mid major offers...
This Bosco QB going to Clemson is the most physically dominant quarterback I have ever seen at this level.

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Yeah, he and Mater Dei's Young (Alabama) are going to be threats to participate in the CFP on a regular basis in the years to come. This is the new landscape of college football - premier recruits from California going out of state so they can have a realistic shot at the playoffs....

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So true...but hey, those Friday night 7 pm games are totally worth it!! Lol

DlS put up a huge fight. They don't back down to anyone.

Yes DLS was tough. 36 D1 scholarship offers on the SJB squad. An amazingly talented and deep team from their seniors down to an incredibly talented and huge sophomore group. DJ U. has the look of a future Heisman winner. Just a huge, yet smooth and agile talent with an absolute cannon. I understand he is quite a baseball prospect as well. For DLS to hang in last night as they did was really impressive.

36 is ridiculous.

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36 is ridiculous.

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Well they can recruit whoever they want and not only take the best So Cal kids from here, but from wherever they want. The Division 1 CIF teams truly deserve to be in a class of their own. The local public schools don't even bother to compete and we lose the top players just like local communities do in college now.

Anybody know how and how much the head coaches at these super-power Catholic schools get compensated? I know Ladouceur up here at DLS was a full-time teacher at the school (and supposedly quite a good one, too), but these guys MUST be getting more money than that. Do they get paid by "booster clubs"? Any idea how much? I'm guessing at private schools, that info is also private, or is it?

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Yes DLS was tough. 36 D1 scholarship offers on the SJB squad. An amazingly talented and deep team from their seniors down to an incredibly talented and huge sophomore group. DJ U. has the look of a future Heisman winner. Just a huge, yet smooth and agile talent with an absolute cannon. I understand he is quite a baseball prospect as well. For DLS to hang in last night as they did was really impressive.

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Did 36 players receive D1 offers or were the offers concentrated in a few players?

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StillABear1 said:

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Yes DLS was tough. 36 D1 scholarship offers on the SJB squad. An amazingly talented and deep team from their seniors down to an incredibly talented and huge sophomore group. DJ U. has the look of a future Heisman winner. Just a huge, yet smooth and agile talent with an absolute cannon. I understand he is quite a baseball prospect as well. For DLS to hang in last night as they did was really impressive.

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Did 36 players receive D1 offers or were the offers concentrated in a few players?

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On TV, they said 25 different players have received D1 offers (that includes FBS and FCS). It isn't 36 but it is a lot of players.....

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Anybody know how and how much the head coaches at these super-power Catholic schools get compensated? I know Ladouceur up here at DLS was a full-time teacher at the school (and supposedly quite a good one, too), but these guys MUST be getting more money than that. Do they get paid by "booster clubs"? Any idea how much? I'm guessing at private schools, that info is also private, or is it?

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Nobody really knows, but I heard from a very reliable source that the OC makes around 250k. So maybe 1/2 a mil for HC.

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Big C said:

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Anybody know how and how much the head coaches at these super-power Catholic schools get compensated? I know Ladouceur up here at DLS was a full-time teacher at the school (and supposedly quite a good one, too), but these guys MUST be getting more money than that. Do they get paid by "booster clubs"? Any idea how much? I'm guessing at private schools, that info is also private, or is it?

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Nobody really knows, but I heard from a very reliable source that the OC makes around 250k. So maybe 1/2 a mil for HC.

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Wow. And they are competing against teams coached by public high school teachers who get an added stipend to be football coach. https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/How-Much-Does-a-High-School-Football-Coach-Make-a-Year--in-California

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bonsallbear said:

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Yes DLS was tough. 36 D1 scholarship offers on the SJB squad. An amazingly talented and deep team from their seniors down to an incredibly talented and huge sophomore group. DJ U. has the look of a future Heisman winner. Just a huge, yet smooth and agile talent with an absolute cannon. I understand he is quite a baseball prospect as well. For DLS to hang in last night as they did was really impressive.

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Did 36 players receive D1 offers or were the offers concentrated in a few players?

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On TV, they said 25 different players have received D1 offers (that includes FBS and FCS). It isn't 36 but it is a lot of players.....

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A MaxPreps preview article prior to the first SJB-MD meeting in October listed 25 SJB players with one or more FBS offers, 16 alone in the 2020 class. They also expected two more forthcoming. On the telecast, I heard twice from Tompkins that the number was 36, but I could have heard incorrectly or this was an updated total, as the 2021 and 2022 classes each had only 4 in October and may have expanded as the season progressed, and perhaps the total includes FCS as well. One frosh, DJU's little brother has an offer from USC. If it's 25 or 36, yes, it's a lot of player talent.

Many of you may remember the loaded LB Poly team of 2001, some say the most talented prep squad prior to the SJB team of 2013. DLS took them down in the Maurice Drew-Jones show his junior season. I've never underestimated DLS.

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Big C said:

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Anybody know how and how much the head coaches at these super-power Catholic schools get compensated? I know Ladouceur up here at DLS was a full-time teacher at the school (and supposedly quite a good one, too), but these guys MUST be getting more money than that. Do they get paid by "booster clubs"? Any idea how much? I'm guessing at private schools, that info is also private, or is it?

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Nobody really knows, but I heard from a very reliable source that the OC makes around 250k. So maybe 1/2 a mil for HC.

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Wait, for a high school? I'm not buying that. Or am I? Is it a "package" where somebody is a full-time teacher with Assistant AD duties? I'm still not buying it.

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socalBear23 said:

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Big C said:

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Anybody know how and how much the head coaches at these super-power Catholic schools get compensated? I know Ladouceur up here at DLS was a full-time teacher at the school (and supposedly quite a good one, too), but these guys MUST be getting more money than that. Do they get paid by "booster clubs"? Any idea how much? I'm guessing at private schools, that info is also private, or is it?

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Nobody really knows, but I heard from a very reliable source that the OC makes around 250k. So maybe 1/2 a mil for HC.

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Wow. And they are competing against teams coached by public high school teachers who get an added stipend to be football coach. https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/How-Much-Does-a-High-School-Football-Coach-Make-a-Year--in-California

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At the public HS where I used to teach, my colleague, who was the head football coach, drew a public school teachers' salary, plus the stipend for coaching, which was ridiculously small, like $3,500. Maybe he got a $1000 Xmas present from parents. Total of maybe $90,000 in today's dollars. And a high school coach can conceivable put in A LOT of time into that job.

The $250,000-500,000 figure seems incredible, since Beau Baldwin will be making less than $500,000 at Cal Poly and his OC less than $250,000. I just don't know where they'd have a budget for that, given no TV money and limited gate receipts. OTOH, I bet they hit their alumni HARD and then let them bask in the glory that is De la Salle, Mater Dei, etc.

Public school coaches are not paid much at all. It's clearly a labor of love. I coached HS baseball for three years and received about $2,500 a year for my efforts, two of the years coaching a high profile EBAL JV team alone. I'd do it again given time and health. Money was never the issue. Baseball, with field prep, etc. took up 3.5-4 hours of my time 5 days a week and an occasional Saturday. It was well below minimum wage.

The tremendously dedicated HS football coaches are often putting in 7 day weeks during the season, sacrificing family time, for very little pay.

I can't speak to the compensation paid by the private schools. I do remember when Frank Allocco took Walnut Creek Northgate HS to the state championship while DLS was in the same league and could not beat them. So they hired Frank and I'm sure it was a nice compensation package that was a little more than Northgate paid.

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Public school coaches are not paid much at all. It's clearly a labor of love. I coached HS baseball for three years and received about $2,500 a year for my efforts, two of the years coaching a high profile EBAL JV team alone. I'd do it again given time and health. Money was never the issue. Baseball, with field prep, etc. took up 3.5-4 hours of my time 5 days a week and an occasional Saturday. It was well below minimum wage.

The tremendously dedicated HS football coaches are often putting in 7 day weeks during the season, sacrificing family time, for very little pay.

I can't speak to the compensation paid by the private schools. I do remember when Frank Allocco took Walnut Creek Northgate HS to the state championship while DLS was in the same league and could not beat them. So they hired Frank and I'm sure it was a nice compensation package that was a little more than Northgate paid.

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they don't make that much money, great story and good for you. When I went to DlS the coach was a SF cop and slept in his car after his shift to make three-a-days. Ed Hall, think he made into the DVC HOF and had a stint as special teams coach at cal. Don't think Lad raked it in.

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Anybody know how and how much the head coaches at these super-power Catholic schools get compensated? I know Ladouceur up here at DLS was a full-time teacher at the school (and supposedly quite a good one, too), but these guys MUST be getting more money than that. Do they get paid by "booster clubs"? Any idea how much? I'm guessing at private schools, that info is also private, or is it?

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There are probably a lot of people on this board that know more about this than I but private high schools are almost always organized as nonprofits so they don't have to pay taxes. Nonprofits have to file a tax return that lists the names and comp of their 5 or 10 highest paid employees. (I've seen the form but don't remember if it is 5 or 10 or some other number.) That tax return has to be filed with the state every year. It's probably available to anyone who cares to ask for it in a freedom of information act letter.

Almost all reputable private universities are nonprofits too- Stanford, USC, etc.

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Big C said:

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Anybody know how and how much the head coaches at these super-power Catholic schools get compensated? I know Ladouceur up here at DLS was a full-time teacher at the school (and supposedly quite a good one, too), but these guys MUST be getting more money than that. Do they get paid by "booster clubs"? Any idea how much? I'm guessing at private schools, that info is also private, or is it?

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There are probably a lot of people on this board that know more about this than I but private high schools are almost always organized as nonprofits so they don't have to pay taxes. Nonprofits have to file a tax return that lists the names and comp of their 5 or 10 highest paid employees. (I've seen the form but don't remember if it is 5 or 10 or some other number.) That tax return has to be filed with the state every year. It's probably available to anyone who cares to ask for it in a freedom of information act letter.

Almost all reputable private universities are nonprofits too- Stanford, USC, etc.

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Form 990?

Since some of these schools are church affiliated I do not think they are required to file financial information, which would normally include a listing of the highest salaried employees.

These are not "any" two HS's anymore. Every game is played in front of 10k+. They own the 2 biggest Nike contracts for high schools.

then there is this:



MD Built housing for transfers!

Hi Fuzzy,

I commend your fortitude. It takes great will to write of Furd and SuC as "reputable." I am impressed.

Jeremiah Hunter is a beast. He's been great all year. He should start for us.

Kyle Biggs for Central HS is a teacher. He doesn't make more than $100k tops.

These super teams like SJB and DLS - they belong in the Open Division. That's why Southern and Northern CIF created them - they're just too powerful. Central plays in D 1-AA. They could probably go up to 1A but no way they could compete in the Open Division. I believe DLS beat Central back in 2017. It was close throughout but DLS pulled away from them.

Agreed. The Trinity League (Southern Section) is essentially a collection of super prep teams and then there is essentially just DLS as a near equivalent in the North. Unfortunately, it's the adults that have taken high school athletics and turned it into a business rather than what it used to be, a great HS activity coached by PE teachers from the school.

The public schools simply cannot compete and these private school powerhouses should simply form their own division, outside of the CIF, and compete nationally. Much like basketball has done with programs like Prolific Prep in Napa. I enjoy watching a team like Central or Centennial, in prior years, achieve success because they are public schools, although I acknowledge not all of them are true to their borders.

Baseball has gone the same way in many respects. Travel ball outpacing local LL and Babe Ruth where kids get to play with and against their friends and neighbors. Too many adults making a living off of the dreams of parents, not the children, that a college scholarship and/or MLB future is possible.

Back nearly 20 years now, I went to the Ygnacio Valley-De La Salle game at DLS. It was a time when Ygnacio was very good, I believe coached by a young Tim Murphy, now at CVC. They walked up Oak Grove to Treat, as the schools fields are adjacent, 2x2 and it looked like a JC team in size. It felt like a battle was to ensue. It was a great HS atmosphere. That being said, DLS was loaded, including perhaps the best high school football player I've ever seen in DJ Williams.

At halftime, I was speaking to one of the DLS parents, whose son was one of their stars, and he told me that 11 of DLS's starting 22 lived in the Ygnacio district and so it added to the intrigue and battle intensity. At the half, it was DLS up 22-18, if I remember correctly at a time. DLS was destroying people, so it was quite a surprise and Ygnacio was holding their own on the LOS. DLS turned DJ loose in the 2H and won 70-38. Ygnacio scored more points than all the opponents had scored combined coming into the game.

What was clear to me, was that public schools, even really good ones, which Ygnacio was at the time with several D1 prospects and a large roster, no longer had any chance. Now fast forward to today, even the relatively strong EBAL teams, as well as Pitt and Liberty, are unable to hang competitively with DLS. It's essentially game over for the public school programs for championships unless the CIF creates divisions (Public and Private championships separately and even then the MD and SJB type teams should fold into a nation-wide super league.

True. The Open Division of CIF is like the Premier League of English soccer. Since those private schools in the Open Division are not bound by geographic boundaries, they can recruit like crazy. I think in Central's game against Sierra Canyon, they mentioned one kid living 50 miles away from the school.

I live about half a mile from Koligian Stadium in Fresno - where Central plays. They get around 3-4k per game. That's around $36k - minimum per game. Add playoff games - Central hosted two I think - and it just adds more to the pocket. Central HS football's rise to power is not without some controversy. There are actually two campuses - Central East and Central West (the old campus). They did not split the team when Central East was built. So - Central's reach is pretty far. In that sense, they operate as if they are a private school. The Clovis schools were pretty upset and continue to be because Central didn't split. Clovis did split their schools and they have 4 separate football teams. The only team in the Valley that can hang with Central is Buchanan High.

Central Unified has now begun building a third high school right next to the stadium. When that opens, they are going to finally start splitting the teams gradually. So - Central athletic teams (now being called the Central Powers), will finally expand. This is a good thing, though perhaps not for football, because more kids can now try out for more teams. But the end result, after 2021, will likely be that the football program weakens.

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Hi Fuzzy,

I commend your fortitude. It takes great will to write of Furd and SuC as "reputable." I am impressed.

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Haha, I was wondering how long it would take for someone to comment on that word choice. What would be a better word? Disreputable? University of Ill-Repute?

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Agreed. The Trinity League (Southern Section) is essentially a collection of super prep teams and then there is essentially just DLS as a near equivalent in the North. Unfortunately, it's the adults that have taken high school athletics and turned it into a business rather than what it used to be, a great HS activity coached by PE teachers from the school.

The public schools simply cannot compete and these private school powerhouses should simply form their own division, outside of the CIF, and compete nationally. Much like basketball has done with programs like Prolific Prep in Napa. I enjoy watching a team like Central or Centennial, in prior years, achieve success because they are public schools, although I acknowledge not all of them are true to their borders.

Baseball has gone the same way in many respects. Travel ball outpacing local LL and Babe Ruth where kids get to play with and against their friends and neighbors. Too many adults making a living off of the dreams of parents, not the children, that a college scholarship and/or MLB future is possible.

Back nearly 20 years now, I went to the Ygnacio Valley-De La Salle game at DLS. It was a time when Ygnacio was very good, I believe coached by a young Tim Murphy, now at CVC. They walked up Oak Grove to Treat, as the schools fields are adjacent, 2x2 and it looked like a JC team in size. It felt like a battle was to ensue. It was a great HS atmosphere. That being said, DLS was loaded, including perhaps the best high school football player I've ever seen in DJ Williams.

At halftime, I was speaking to one of the DLS parents, whose son was one of their stars, and he told me that 11 of DLS's starting 22 lived in the Ygnacio district and so it added to the intrigue and battle intensity. At the half, it was DLS up 22-18, if I remember correctly at a time. DLS was destroying people, so it was quite a surprise and Ygnacio was holding their own on the LOS. DLS turned DJ loose in the 2H and won 70-38. Ygnacio scored more points than all the opponents had scored combined coming into the game.

What was clear to me, was that public schools, even really good ones, which Ygnacio was at the time with several D1 prospects and a large roster, no longer had any chance. Now fast forward to today, even the relatively strong EBAL teams, as well as Pitt and Liberty, are unable to hang competitively with DLS. It's essentially game over for the public school programs for championships unless the CIF creates divisions (Public and Private championships separately and even then the MD and SJB type teams should fold into a nation-wide super league.

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I remember when stanfurd didn't want to play cal in rugby and how this board lit up. The public schools need to step it up and stop *****ing .

kad02002 said:

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Derek Loville's nephew (I think) looked amazing for Serra...6' receiver...made one of the best one handed catches you will ever see...apparently only mid major offers...
This Bosco QB going to Clemson is the most physically dominant quarterback I have ever seen at this level.

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Terence Loville is a stud. He has fielded some offers from schools like Nevada and San Jose State. I'd expect his offer list to grow before the Feb signing day. It would not surprise me to see Loville in the Pac 12 in the next couple years. Daylin McLemore (6'3 200), also related to a former 49er (Dana-father), is another sleeper. As good as Ethan Garbers was, a fully healthy McLemore is just as entertaining. He was shredding teams both with his legs and arm before breaking his collarbone midseason (out 6 weeks). The Championship game was his first game back since the break, and the rust/timidness was apparent. Unfortunately, he may have fractured his collarbone again after a late hit to begin the 4th. 6'3 200lbs, 3.9 GPA, the kid will do big things. Serra had a great team this year, about 5 or so other guys that will be on P5 rosters at this time next year.
The Soph QB (Dominique Lampkin) that came in afterwards and helped rally 14 quick points is one I hope the staff keeps an eye on going forward. I see him as a DB or WR at the next level but the kid is an athlete. Allegedly, ran an electronically time 40 in the high 4.6s as a freshman.
Former DLS stud, Patrick Walsh has a good thing going coaching those Padres in San Mateo.