philly1121 said:

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Refresh my memory but are you the dude that would rather Stanford win the national championship before you ever rooted for USC because of some cheap shot SC took against Cal way back?

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No. I rooted for SC to beat UCLA in 1975 (quite frankly, I think all of us did).

TheSouseFamily said:

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I especially enjoyed the last 15 minutes of the game which the announcers largely used solely to dump on everything and anything SC-related. From the administration to the athletic department to the coaching staff to the fans to the recruiting class and so on. At least they had the decency to not mention that the hoops team is in the midst of a full blown NCAA investigation.

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I regret not watching

Rumors that Clancy Pendergast gets canned and SC hires Lupoi.

Next time someone says you can't develop a reasonably competitive P5 team using 3 star recruits....

Iowa's Recruiting classes:
2016: 24 recruits ave 2.88 stars (Rivals rating)
2017: 21 recruits ave 2.86 stars
2018: 22 recruits ave 3.00 stars
2019: 22 recruits ave 3.00 stars

When focusing on 3 star recruits you need 1) quantity and 2) time - you can't expect these to be impact players in their first two years on campus.

ducktilldeath said:

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LMK5 said:

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So what do you do? Do you root for USC because the pac-12 needs all the respectability it can get, or do you root against USC because you need to be able to look yourself in the mirror tomorrow morning?

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Never root for other P12 teams. They are all Cal's recruiting rivals. The perfect post season for the P12 would be 1-6. Sadly, UW ruined that.....

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A rising tide lifts all boats. I say root for other Pac 12 teams unless you hate them enough to root against them.

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Complete and utter nonsense and I can't believe smart people still cling to this garbage. The next time a 1 loss Pac-12 champ gets left out of the playoff, we can revisit this.

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This isn't what you asked for, but it's close

1998: 10-1 BCS #5 Arizona loses at-large berth to the Orange Bowl to a 9-2, #7 Florida team
2000: 10-1 BCS #4 Washington ranked behind 10-1 #2 Florida St and 10-1 #3 Miami in the final regular season poll despite Washington having beaten Miami earlier that season.
2001: 10-1 BCS #3 Oregon shut out of title game, AP #4 10-1 Nebraska was BCS #2
2003: 11-1 BCS #3 USC shut out of title game for OU and LSU
2004: 10-1 BCS #5 Cal team shut out of Rose Bowl BCS at-large berth to 10-1 #4 BCS Texas
2005: 10-1 BCS #6 Oregon loses at-large Fiesta Bowl berth to 2-loss Ohio St and ND teams
2008: 11-1 BCS #5 USC shut out of title game again. All four higher ranked teams were 1-loss
2011: 11-1 BCS #4 Stanford ranked behind two other 1-loss teams

These were all the Pac-12 teams that have been shut out of an at-large major bowl berth or spot in the title game. Since reputation plays such a large part in rankings and berths, a strong Pac-12 helps all of the member teams by making them appear more respectable. A weak Pac-12 hurts us by doing the opposite.

Perhaps more important than our conference reputation's effect on our team rankings is how recruits perceive us, and that seems to be going very poorly for the conference for a while right now.

Excellent post sir. A little research goes a long way.

Indeed, reputation and prestige are what the conference lacks right now. Couple that with how the league is marketed. Yet most on this board will want all teams to be 6-6 and lose every bowl game so that somehow, Cal will look better. Nice post.

If one can't smile at a SC loss, there's something major wrong (unless that loss directly hurts Cal).

ColoradoBear said:

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If one can't smile at a SC loss, there's something major wrong (unless that loss directly hurts Cal).

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I always enjoy watching them lose. I don't believe the P12 needs a strong USC to be relevant. Screw being the beta, I want Cal to be the alpha in the conference.

heartofthebear said:

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calbear80 said:

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Many USC fans are rooting for Iowa to beat USC so that they can get Helton fired sooner rather than later. I am with them (but, for different reasons, of course)!

Go Bears!

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LOL
USC fans are flat out spoiled brat idiots.
Go look up Pete Carroll's wiki page and read up on all of the flack Pete Carroll got from USC fans when he was first hired. It is off the charts.
USC fans have no patience.
They want big names with long track records.
They are spoiled brats.
Helton is about as good as they can do right now.

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Yet some on this board claim that if Cal fans were as demanding as USC fans the program would have more success.

dimitrig said:

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heartofthebear said:

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calbear80 said:

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Many USC fans are rooting for Iowa to beat USC so that they can get Helton fired sooner rather than later. I am with them (but, for different reasons, of course)!

Go Bears!

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LOL
USC fans are flat out spoiled brat idiots.
Go look up Pete Carroll's wiki page and read up on all of the flack Pete Carroll got from USC fans when he was first hired. It is off the charts.
USC fans have no patience.
They want big names with long track records.
They are spoiled brats.
Helton is about as good as they can do right now.

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Yet some on this board claim that if Cal fans were as demanding as USC fans the program would have more success.

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You can be demanding without being stupid.
Giving your OC 3 years to get his act together is OK but demanding he leave at that point is smart.
USC has absolutely no patience with their coaches, often criticizing the coaches before they have even coached a single game.

Sometimes the problem is the expectations are not in line with reality.
At USC, Helton is clearly not the problem because USC has been an 8 or 9 win team under several HCs now, going back several years. It is not Helton's problem that the fans are not able to accept the fact that USC is no longer elite.

And the more the fans keep destabilizing the program with constant demands for change, the longer they will remain below expectations.

So, at USC, the fans are creating the very problems they blame the coach for.

At Cal it is the opposite.
At Cal, the lack of expectations and extreme tolerance for bad coaching weighs down the potential of Cal football. We have given contract extensions when we shouldn't have and underperforming assistants have stayed while highly performing assistants have been allowed to escape because "the University does not want to engage in a bidding war over salaries." That is a direct quote from former AD Sandy Barbour.

Either extreme is stupid. But USC is especially stupid because they didn't even like the Pete Carrol hire at the time.

Be more specific, I think it is the fans at USC that are stupid. At Cal, it is more the administration that is stupid. The Cal fans seem pretty hip on what needs to happen and are much more appropriately patient with the process without being dumb about it.