You should have put PA in the title. Misleading.

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You should have put PA in the title. Misleading.

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If I did, you or several others would've read my post. I felt that his death should have been noted so as to give those here an early idea of how they might feel if something similar happened in the Pac-12. Get past your disappointment or hurt feelings and prepare for the loonies who will blame such a happening on democrates.

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oskidunker said:

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You should have put PA in the title. Misleading.

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If I did, you or several others would've read my post. I felt that his death should have been noted so as to give those here an early idea of how they might feel if something similar happened in the Pac-12. Get past your disappointment or hurt feelings and prepare for the loonies who will blame such a happening on democrates.

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Intentionally deceitful in order to turn it into click-bait. Got it. Welcome to 2020.

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Civil Bear said:

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Blueblood said:

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oskidunker said:

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You should have put PA in the title. Misleading.

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If I did, you or several others would've read my post. I felt that his death should have been noted so as to give those here an early idea of how they might feel if something similar happened in the Pac-12. Get past your disappointment or hurt feelings and prepare for the loonies who will blame such a happening on democrates.

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Intentionally deceitful in order to turn it into click-bait. Got it. Welcome to 2020.

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Well, from your snarky response above, it hook you didn't it when it appears my assessment was right on about you most likely purposefully overlooking my informative post. I don't know why you're so upset when your President does this everyday? In other words, to me, I find it very disconcerting that you elevate the importance of your ruffled feathers above the substantive nature of my post.

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Hey, the ends justify the means, right? Although I'm not sure what you think you accomplished. Some folks read an non-relative post they may not have otherwise. Congrats?

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Goobear said:

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calumnus said:

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Northside91 said:

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burritos said:

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AunBear89 said:

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So he got what he deserved? What exactly is your point?

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No. Ironically sumo wrestlers who look the same are metabollically not the same.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3934493/#:~:text=Despite%20extremely%20high%20BMI%20measurements,of%20exercise%20is%20not%20maintained.
It's a function of what they are eating. The SAD(standard american diet) is worse than smoking in terms of the body count that it is inflicting. COVID is just exhibiting the damage more acutely Preaching doesn't help. Education doesn't help. Shaming doesn't help. Money doesn't help. Medicine doesn't help. I don't know what will. But if it feels better to hate on tactless people(like me) who try to point out the cause, then I suppose that helps something somewhere.

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Thanks for posting this. The ignorance around these issues is stratospheric. Sign of the times.

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More evidence of potentially long term damage to the heart:
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-may-dice-heart-muscle-fibers-cells.html

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No evidence in people. Not peer reviewed etc etc etc. I am all for posting good articles though this is speculative.

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Speaking of negative speculation regarding Covid, it now turns out this young man did not die from Covid.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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NVBear78 said:

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Goobear said:

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Goobear said:

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calumnus said:

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Northside91 said:

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burritos said:

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AunBear89 said:

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So he got what he deserved? What exactly is your point?

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No. Ironically sumo wrestlers who look the same are metabollically not the same.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3934493/#:~:text=Despite%20extremely%20high%20BMI%20measurements,of%20exercise%20is%20not%20maintained.
It's a function of what they are eating. The SAD(standard american diet) is worse than smoking in terms of the body count that it is inflicting. COVID is just exhibiting the damage more acutely Preaching doesn't help. Education doesn't help. Shaming doesn't help. Money doesn't help. Medicine doesn't help. I don't know what will. But if it feels better to hate on tactless people(like me) who try to point out the cause, then I suppose that helps something somewhere.

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Thanks for posting this. The ignorance around these issues is stratospheric. Sign of the times.

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More evidence of potentially long term damage to the heart:
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-may-dice-heart-muscle-fibers-cells.html

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No evidence in people. Not peer reviewed etc etc etc. I am all for posting good articles though this is speculative.

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Speaking of negative speculation regarding Covid, it now turns out this young man did not die from Covid.

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Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "it not turns out this young man may not have died from Covid"? His cause of death is not yet public. He reportedly told people the week before he died that he had COVID.

As for Cal88 - he's been wrong about so very many things COVID related, so I would caution anyone against relying on his speculation or cherry-picking of facts favorable to whatever narrative he has decided to adopt. In June he said that US deaths would slow to a trickle in July like it had in Europe. Here we are in mid-September and not only is COVID not "virtually gone" in the US, but it's resurging in Europe. I would rely on crypto-currency advice from a homeless person before I would rely on Cal88's predictions on COVID.

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You're full of **** U2S, there is no resurgence on covid deaths in Europe!

The new cases have gone up due to massive scaling up of testing, and the change in testing with the use of extremely sensitive methods which return false positives in the 40%-80% range, the rest being mostly asymptomatics. The current new death rates for Europe is less than 5% of its peak, and not growing significantly. Countries like Sweden, Britain or France have already reached herd immunity.

I've been right about pretty much everything covid related on here, I was the first one to predict there would be massive, unprecedented changes in the US back in February, prediction that was widely panned by most of the people who were dumb enough to think that what took place in Europe wasn't going to happen here. And now I am attacked by people who like you, are dumb and insular enough to believe that the disease will rage on indefinitely in the US while it's just about gone in Europe (in terms of severe cases and new deaths, as opposed to ultrasensitive tests that will detect minute traces of virus fragments). Your grandstanding and whiny personal attacks are tiresome and stupid.

I was off about the late stages in the US, by about two to three months, because I did not look carefully at the individual curves in places like TX or CA (places I haven't lived in 15 years), which had a slow start and only peaked in mid-summer, and are now coming down. There is no resurgence whatsoever in places like NY, MA, or MI that were hit hard initially, ad their new deaths curves look exactly like the aggregate new death for Europe, a bell curve that tapers off and slowed to a trickle (too bad the idiots running the Big10 never bothered looking at those curves before canning their seasons).

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There are many subscribers to Covid fear porn.

Cal88 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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NVBear78 said:

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Goobear said:

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Goobear said:

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calumnus said:

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Northside91 said:

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burritos said:

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AunBear89 said:

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So he got what he deserved? What exactly is your point?

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No. Ironically sumo wrestlers who look the same are metabollically not the same.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3934493/#:~:text=Despite%20extremely%20high%20BMI%20measurements,of%20exercise%20is%20not%20maintained.
It's a function of what they are eating. The SAD(standard american diet) is worse than smoking in terms of the body count that it is inflicting. COVID is just exhibiting the damage more acutely Preaching doesn't help. Education doesn't help. Shaming doesn't help. Money doesn't help. Medicine doesn't help. I don't know what will. But if it feels better to hate on tactless people(like me) who try to point out the cause, then I suppose that helps something somewhere.

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Thanks for posting this. The ignorance around these issues is stratospheric. Sign of the times.

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More evidence of potentially long term damage to the heart:
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-may-dice-heart-muscle-fibers-cells.html

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No evidence in people. Not peer reviewed etc etc etc. I am all for posting good articles though this is speculative.

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Speaking of negative speculation regarding Covid, it now turns out this young man did not die from Covid.

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Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "it not turns out this young man may not have died from Covid"? His cause of death is not yet public. He reportedly told people the week before he died that he had COVID.

As for Cal88 - he's been wrong about so very many things COVID related, so I would caution anyone against relying on his speculation or cherry-picking of facts favorable to whatever narrative he has decided to adopt. In June he said that US deaths would slow to a trickle in July like it had in Europe. Here we are in mid-September and not only is COVID not "virtually gone" in the US, but it's resurging in Europe. I would rely on crypto-currency advice from a homeless person before I would rely on Cal88's predictions on COVID.

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You're full of **** U2S, there is no resurgence on covid deaths in Europe!

The new cases have gone up due to massive scaling up of testing, and the change in testing with the use of extremely sensitive methods which return false positives in the 40%-80% range, the rest being mostly asymptomatics. The current new death rates for Europe is less than 5% of its peak, and not growing significantly. Countries like Sweden, Britain or France have already reached herd immunity.

I've been right about pretty much everything covid related on here, I was the first one to predict there would be massive, unprecedented changes in the US back in February, prediction that was widely panned by most of the people who were dumb enough to think that what took place in Europe wasn't going to happen here. And now I am attacked by people who like you, are dumb and insular enough to believe that the disease will rage on indefinitely in the US while it's just about gone in Europe (in terms of severe cases and new deaths, as opposed to ultrasensitive tests that will detect minute traces of virus fragments). Your grandstanding and whiny personal attacks are tiresome and stupid.

I was off about the late stages in the US, by about two to three months, because I did not look carefully at the individual curves in places like TX or CA (places I haven't lived in 15 years), which had a slow start and only peaked in mid-summer, and are now coming down. There is no resurgence whatsoever in places like NY, MA, or MI that were hit hard initially, ad their new deaths curves look exactly like the aggregate new death for Europe, a bell curve that tapers off and slowed to a trickle (too bad the idiots running the Big10 never bothered looking at those curves before canning their seasons).

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I didn't say COVID deaths are resurging in Europe yet, but cases certainly are. They've roughly tripled since the mid-July lows. I know that people like you only focus on deaths, but we still do not know the long-term impacts on survivors. You've said that COVID is gone in Europe and that's simply not the case.

It's irresponsible for you to claim that places have reached herd immunity when their cases are still raging. Here's the charts for France and UK which you say have reached herd immunity.




You have made wrong prediction after wrong prediction as OaktownBear and I have pointed out numerous times. I wouldn't be surprised if we are seeing more false positives given the lower positivity rates now seen in Europe, but you know curves like these aren't coming from false positives alone. I hope that the EU has cracked the code on how to prevent deaths (I know you think it's HCQ despite all evidence to the contrary) but we have not yet done so in the US and it's obviously premature and irresponsible to claim that we are past COVID when more people died of it in the last 3 days in the US than died in the 9/11 attacks.


EDIT: Adding a bonus chart. This represents cumulative deaths and there is one very clear outlier. Cal88's point for months has been that our chart is about to look exactly like all the others. He's been wrong for months.

NVBear78 said:

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There are many subscribers to Covid fear porn.

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Fear porn is a cute way to describe any risk which you don't take seriously.

If that is how you see the world, then how can you deny that there have always been many subscribers to all sorts of fear porn. For decades Americans have overestimated incidences of violent crime and believed, wrongly, that crime was on the rise. We have millions of people who are being told that people are coming for their freedoms. We were sold wars in the middle east as a response to fear porn about extremist terrorism which, by comparison to COVID, was microscopic.

Unit2Sucks said:

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Cal88 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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NVBear78 said:

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Goobear said:

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Goobear said:

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calumnus said:

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Northside91 said:

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burritos said:

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AunBear89 said:

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So he got what he deserved? What exactly is your point?

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No. Ironically sumo wrestlers who look the same are metabollically not the same.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3934493/#:~:text=Despite%20extremely%20high%20BMI%20measurements,of%20exercise%20is%20not%20maintained.
It's a function of what they are eating. The SAD(standard american diet) is worse than smoking in terms of the body count that it is inflicting. COVID is just exhibiting the damage more acutely Preaching doesn't help. Education doesn't help. Shaming doesn't help. Money doesn't help. Medicine doesn't help. I don't know what will. But if it feels better to hate on tactless people(like me) who try to point out the cause, then I suppose that helps something somewhere.

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Thanks for posting this. The ignorance around these issues is stratospheric. Sign of the times.

---

More evidence of potentially long term damage to the heart:
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-may-dice-heart-muscle-fibers-cells.html

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No evidence in people. Not peer reviewed etc etc etc. I am all for posting good articles though this is speculative.

---

Speaking of negative speculation regarding Covid, it now turns out this young man did not die from Covid.

---

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "it not turns out this young man may not have died from Covid"? His cause of death is not yet public. He reportedly told people the week before he died that he had COVID.

As for Cal88 - he's been wrong about so very many things COVID related, so I would caution anyone against relying on his speculation or cherry-picking of facts favorable to whatever narrative he has decided to adopt. In June he said that US deaths would slow to a trickle in July like it had in Europe. Here we are in mid-September and not only is COVID not "virtually gone" in the US, but it's resurging in Europe. I would rely on crypto-currency advice from a homeless person before I would rely on Cal88's predictions on COVID.

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You're full of **** U2S, there is no resurgence on covid deaths in Europe!

The new cases have gone up due to massive scaling up of testing, and the change in testing with the use of extremely sensitive methods which return false positives in the 40%-80% range, the rest being mostly asymptomatics. The current new death rates for Europe is less than 5% of its peak, and not growing significantly. Countries like Sweden, Britain or France have already reached herd immunity.

I've been right about pretty much everything covid related on here, I was the first one to predict there would be massive, unprecedented changes in the US back in February, prediction that was widely panned by most of the people who were dumb enough to think that what took place in Europe wasn't going to happen here. And now I am attacked by people who like you, are dumb and insular enough to believe that the disease will rage on indefinitely in the US while it's just about gone in Europe (in terms of severe cases and new deaths, as opposed to ultrasensitive tests that will detect minute traces of virus fragments). Your grandstanding and whiny personal attacks are tiresome and stupid.

I was off about the late stages in the US, by about two to three months, because I did not look carefully at the individual curves in places like TX or CA (places I haven't lived in 15 years), which had a slow start and only peaked in mid-summer, and are now coming down. There is no resurgence whatsoever in places like NY, MA, or MI that were hit hard initially, ad their new deaths curves look exactly like the aggregate new death for Europe, a bell curve that tapers off and slowed to a trickle (too bad the idiots running the Big10 never bothered looking at those curves before canning their seasons).

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I didn't say COVID deaths are resurging in Europe yet, but cases certainly are. They've roughly tripled since the mid-July lows. I know that people like you only focus on deaths, but we still do not know the long-term impacts on survivors. You've said that COVID is gone in Europe and that's simply not the case.

It's irresponsible for you to claim that places have reached herd immunity when their cases are still raging. Here's the charts for France and UK which you say have reached herd immunity.




You have made wrong prediction after wrong prediction as OaktownBear and I have pointed out numerous times. I wouldn't be surprised if we are seeing more false positives given the lower positivity rates now seen in Europe, but you know curves like these aren't coming from false positives alone. I hope that the EU has cracked the code on how to prevent deaths (I know you think it's HCQ despite all evidence to the contrary) but we have not yet done so in the US and it's obviously premature and irresponsible to claim that we are past COVID when more people died of it in the last 3 days in the US than died in the 9/11 attacks.


EDIT: Adding a bonus chart. This represents cumulative deaths and there is one very clear outlier. Cal88's point for months has been that our chart is about to look exactly like all the others. He's been wrong for months.

NVBear78 said:

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There are many subscribers to Covid fear porn.

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Fear porn is a cute way to describe any risk which you don't take seriously.

If that is how you see the world, then how can you deny that there have always been many subscribers to all sorts of fear porn. For decades Americans have overestimated incidences of violent crime and believed, wrongly, that crime was on the rise. We have millions of people who are being told that people are coming for their freedoms. We were sold wars in the middle east as a response to fear porn about extremist terrorism which, by comparison to COVID, was microscopic.

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It is absolutely amazing that 88 keeps doing this. He said July. Then he said he was off because he wasn't factoring in other areas having outbreaks when you can see in the conversation where he said July we specifically discussed that other areas were having outbreaks and he specifically said that was due to testing. I specifically pointed out that the problem with his analysis is that covid hits regions, not countries and the problem for the US was new regions that had not been hit were getting hit where that was not happening in Europe. He revised his prediction to mid August and said bank on it. He now says it is coming down, which it is but not by a lot. We are still in the 800-900 range. I expressed that I thought it would be down now too, but I wouldn't "bank on" anything and it was irresponsible to do so. I have warned him all along that you cannot just read graphs without full analysis of the underlying data and predict where the line is going to go. It is like predicting future stock value based on a historical trend line instead of looking at the financial data.

He has been entirely wrong and entirely irresponsible through this whole thing. His initial comments on COVID here were the biggest case of fear porn on here. He drastically overestimated the threat talking about up to a 100 million deaths. He was justifiably laughed at. He only looked "right" in the eyes of some because while he was massively exaggerating the threat, most completely ignored it. There were those that said "hey guys, what he is saying is ridiculous, but there is a sever threat here". He has denied scientific data in one extreme and then the other. He said Sweden did great and France sucked when the numbers were clearly going to end up the other way (check them out now). He said Sweden was getting herd immunity when they weren't. He keeps justifying his inaccuracy now by saying "Well, NY isn't going up" when I specifically said in May, that NY wasn't going to go up. The virus burned through NY. NY will never be where it was in April. That was obvious. What was also obvious was that he kept saying (and he keeps saying) that the increased cases were due to more testing when the data was clear that while that was some of it, it wasn't close to all of it. What was discussed at the time was that the increased case rate was a concern and that it COULD be a precursor to more deaths. He said we could bank on it not being. At this point, I would listen to ANYONE else.

The bottom line is at least on the first wave (hoping there isn't a second), Europe had it and they have been down to very few deaths for a long time. We could have done the same, but we didn't stop the virus from moving to new regions in our country. Because of this, we keep chugging along. We have now passed Italy in deaths per capita, sit 4th in the western world and we will pass Spain very soon if the trends don't change a lot faster than they have. (and Belgium is a weird outlier because they have overstated deaths compared to others because of significantly different criteria). Frankly, I thought we'd be down to a couple hundred cases a day by now if not fewer. I honestly thought my kid would get to go to college this semester in a fairly normal environment. I thought there was an extreme outside shot we'd catch Italy and no shot we'd catch Spain, and there seems to be a very real chance we catch Spain and if we don't slow down a lot more pass. UK. I'm not predicting anymore. Basically Americans have been complete dumbasses about wearing masks or cooperating with quarantining and contact tracing when they test positive. At this point, I'm not banking on rates coming down until we get a vaccine or the virus just finishes having its way with us because everything I thought was going to happen was based on my faith that once we stopped shelter in place the vast majority of people would take reasonable precautions.

And that isn't fear porn. That is the situation. If you take proper precautions, you are pretty safe.Unfortunately for the half of the people who take proper precautions, they have to be stricter in those precautions because of the half that refuse to take any precautions.