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HoopDreams said:

i watched it on replay as I had to work, but wow, what an ending. if matt's shot goes down, it would have brought down the Haas!

it was a good shot (in and out). A little more arc and he would have won it at the buzzer.

kelly probably feels bad, but he had a great game. Not sure why we didn't keep getting him the ball, and if doubled he is pretty good at kicking it out

today the problem wasn't offense

the problem was defense (reoccurring theme, and no one can blame Betley since he only played 4 minutes)


We started Celestine, played Kelly 32, minimized Betely and had Grant shoot more from 3. Only the Celestine part didn't pan out (offensively at least), but Foreman scored off the bench which was good. With this lineup we are more of a mid-PAC team.
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bearister said:

...that now makes Braun and Monty opining Bradley has a puncher's chance at next level.

...I agree with Monty that you have to knock down open shots, but how many times have you seen a good shooter so wide open that you know it is going to be nothing but brick. It's almost like a little bit of D focuses the concentration.

I think MB has a great shot at making the nba. His foot quickness is his weakness (and that's a big weakness to have), but his uncommon strength is a significant and rare asset. I think he gets there.
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NathanAllen said:

I'm not sure when or why Cal decided it's cool to end the first half by giving up big runs. But it isn't cool and they should stop.

That's been a big problem the last few games. Ugh.
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NathanAllen said:

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NathanAllen said:

Craziest ending to a game I've seen in a while. Just. Wow.
FTs bite us in the ass again. Our best chance was Matt making that 3.

Matt 20, Grant 18, Andre 17. That will keep us in games if we have that distribution.
Also, that's true, but that opportunity doesn't even happen if Timmy Allen doesn't go 1-for-4 from the line in the last 30 seconds. That was a meltdown.

That's my take. As close as we came to winning it, it would have been a steal. Once again, Cal failed to execute down the stretch. Hate to pick in Hyder but that one possession was brutal. But he/that wasn't the only execution failure down the stretch. Meanwhile, Utah enjoyed a parade at the free throw line due to some brutal/dumb fouls by Cal.
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I liked seeing Celestine in the lineup and getting lots more minutes. I'd like to see him be more aggressive offensively, but I thought he looked good, and that lineup looked good to me. I hope Fox sticks with JC and that lineup. I think that lineup will really improve with more time together.

Our PG play was not good tonight. It was nice to see foreman shoot well, but some bad critical turnovers in crunch time.
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drizzlybear said:

bearister said:

...that now makes Braun and Monty opining Bradley has a puncher's chance at next level.

...I agree with Monty that you have to knock down open shots, but how many times have you seen a good shooter so wide open that you know it is going to be nothing but brick. It's almost like a little bit of D focuses the concentration.

I think MB has a great shot at making the nba. His foot quickness is his weakness (and that's a big weakness to have), but his uncommon strength is a significant and rare asset. I think he gets there.
It would be great if he made it, but Bradley's strength isn't nearly as uncommon in the NBA.
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drizzlybear said:

I liked seeing Celestine in the lineup and getting lots more minutes. I'd like to see him be more aggressive offensively, but I thought he looked good, and that lineup looked good to me. I hope Fox sticks with JC and that lineup. I think that lineup will really improve with more time together.

Our PG play was not good tonight. It was nice to see foreman shoot well, but some bad critical turnovers in crunch time.
Agreed. Sad to see Cal's PG position outplayed by Utah's cobbled together PG lineup without Rylan Jones. Both freshmen Larsson and Martinez played really well, especially Martinez, who really picked up the slack for Allen and Plummer in the second half.
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drizzlybear said:

NathanAllen said:

KoreAmBear said:

NathanAllen said:

Craziest ending to a game I've seen in a while. Just. Wow.
FTs bite us in the ass again. Our best chance was Matt making that 3.

Matt 20, Grant 18, Andre 17. That will keep us in games if we have that distribution.
Also, that's true, but that opportunity doesn't even happen if Timmy Allen doesn't go 1-for-4 from the line in the last 30 seconds. That was a meltdown.

That's my take. As close as we came to winning it, it would have been a steal. Once again, Cal failed to execute down the stretch. Hate to pick in Hyder but that one possession was brutal. But he/that wasn't the only execution failure down the stretch. Meanwhile, Utah enjoyed a parade at the free throw line due to some brutal/dumb fouls by Cal.
Utah was like, "nah, I'm good, you can win this game, Cal." And then Cal was like, "nah, we don't want it either."

In his post-game presser, Fox was lamenting about the fouls but I couldn't tell if he was peeved by the officiating or Cal's defense. Either way, it personally bothers me when coaches complain about fouls in a post-game presser. But that's just me. He did get back to the point that if Cal plays better in the 39 minutes before the last minute, the fouls don't matter as much.
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drizzlybear said:

bearister said:

...that now makes Braun and Monty opining Bradley has a puncher's chance at next level.

...I agree with Monty that you have to knock down open shots, but how many times have you seen a good shooter so wide open that you know it is going to be nothing but brick. It's almost like a little bit of D focuses the concentration.

I think MB has a great shot at making the nba. His foot quickness is his weakness (and that's a big weakness to have), but his uncommon strength is a significant and rare asset. I think he gets there.


I think, with his game, he needs 3 more inches of height to play in the NBA....but I defer to Monty and Braun. I always thought Justin Cobbs had a shot. I was wrong. He is making coin abroad.
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NathanAllen said:

drizzlybear said:

NathanAllen said:

KoreAmBear said:

NathanAllen said:

Craziest ending to a game I've seen in a while. Just. Wow.
FTs bite us in the ass again. Our best chance was Matt making that 3.

Matt 20, Grant 18, Andre 17. That will keep us in games if we have that distribution.
Also, that's true, but that opportunity doesn't even happen if Timmy Allen doesn't go 1-for-4 from the line in the last 30 seconds. That was a meltdown.

That's my take. As close as we came to winning it, it would have been a steal. Once again, Cal failed to execute down the stretch. Hate to pick in Hyder but that one possession was brutal. But he/that wasn't the only execution failure down the stretch. Meanwhile, Utah enjoyed a parade at the free throw line due to some brutal/dumb fouls by Cal.
Utah was like, "nah, I'm good, you can win this game, Cal." And then Cal was like, "nah, we don't want it either."

In his post-game presser, Fox was lamenting about the fouls but I couldn't tell if he was peeved by the officiating or Cal's defense. Either way, it personally bothers me when coaches complain about fouls in a post-game presser. But that's just me. He did get back to the point that if Cal plays better in the 39 minutes before the last minute, the fouls don't matter as much.

I can't tell if they were good calls or not, but there were a couple critical late-clock fouls by Cal in crunch time that were really about lack of defensive disciplined, including one that was the result of a poor close-out. Argh.
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drizzlybear said:

NathanAllen said:

drizzlybear said:

NathanAllen said:

KoreAmBear said:

NathanAllen said:

Craziest ending to a game I've seen in a while. Just. Wow.
FTs bite us in the ass again. Our best chance was Matt making that 3.

Matt 20, Grant 18, Andre 17. That will keep us in games if we have that distribution.
Also, that's true, but that opportunity doesn't even happen if Timmy Allen doesn't go 1-for-4 from the line in the last 30 seconds. That was a meltdown.

That's my take. As close as we came to winning it, it would have been a steal. Once again, Cal failed to execute down the stretch. Hate to pick in Hyder but that one possession was brutal. But he/that wasn't the only execution failure down the stretch. Meanwhile, Utah enjoyed a parade at the free throw line due to some brutal/dumb fouls by Cal.
Utah was like, "nah, I'm good, you can win this game, Cal." And then Cal was like, "nah, we don't want it either."

In his post-game presser, Fox was lamenting about the fouls but I couldn't tell if he was peeved by the officiating or Cal's defense. Either way, it personally bothers me when coaches complain about fouls in a post-game presser. But that's just me. He did get back to the point that if Cal plays better in the 39 minutes before the last minute, the fouls don't matter as much.

I can't tell if they were good calls or not, but there were a couple critical late-clock fouls by Cal in crunch time that were really about lack of defensive disciplined, including one that was the result of a poor close-out. Argh.
I don't recall being upset by any blatant bad calls. Cal ranks No. 240 in the country in FTA/FGA rate. It's not exactly a strength of the Bears' defense to keep teams off the foul line.
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drizzlybear said:

bearister said:

...that now makes Braun and Monty opining Bradley has a puncher's chance at next level.

...I agree with Monty that you have to knock down open shots, but how many times have you seen a good shooter so wide open that you know it is going to be nothing but brick. It's almost like a little bit of D focuses the concentration.

I think MB has a great shot at making the nba. His foot quickness is his weakness (and that's a big weakness to have), but his uncommon strength is a significant and rare asset. I think he gets there.
He needs to be more of a team player, and realize when he is double and triple teamed, one or more of his teammates will be open for a better shot than the one he is about to take, and get the ball to him. Cal would be a better team if he would start doing that, say about 10-20% of the time when he drives. Whether he is under orders to shoot every time he has a possible opening, I don't know. He may be, and he can carry a team, but we continue to lose. Coach Fox needs to encourage Bradley to know where his teammates are as he drives, if he is not telling him that already. And Fox needs to scheme to get Bradley's teammates into open spots, when Bradley takes off on a drive, if he is not doing that already.
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NathanAllen said:

drizzlybear said:

NathanAllen said:

drizzlybear said:

NathanAllen said:

KoreAmBear said:

NathanAllen said:

Craziest ending to a game I've seen in a while. Just. Wow.
FTs bite us in the ass again. Our best chance was Matt making that 3.

Matt 20, Grant 18, Andre 17. That will keep us in games if we have that distribution.
Also, that's true, but that opportunity doesn't even happen if Timmy Allen doesn't go 1-for-4 from the line in the last 30 seconds. That was a meltdown.

That's my take. As close as we came to winning it, it would have been a steal. Once again, Cal failed to execute down the stretch. Hate to pick in Hyder but that one possession was brutal. But he/that wasn't the only execution failure down the stretch. Meanwhile, Utah enjoyed a parade at the free throw line due to some brutal/dumb fouls by Cal.
Utah was like, "nah, I'm good, you can win this game, Cal." And then Cal was like, "nah, we don't want it either."

In his post-game presser, Fox was lamenting about the fouls but I couldn't tell if he was peeved by the officiating or Cal's defense. Either way, it personally bothers me when coaches complain about fouls in a post-game presser. But that's just me. He did get back to the point that if Cal plays better in the 39 minutes before the last minute, the fouls don't matter as much.

I can't tell if they were good calls or not, but there were a couple critical late-clock fouls by Cal in crunch time that were really about lack of defensive disciplined, including one that was the result of a poor close-out. Argh.
I don't recall being upset by any blatant bad calls. Cal ranks No. 240 in the country in FTA/FGA rate. It's not exactly a strength of the Bears' defense to keep teams off the foul line.

It seemed like Cal was getting called for touch fouls while getting clobbered at the other end down the stretch. At least until the blocking foul that should have been a charge on Bradley near the end. But by then the makeup call was too late...or so we thought.
Anyway, the foul disparity was the difference in crunch time.
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Civil Bear said:

NathanAllen said:

drizzlybear said:

NathanAllen said:

drizzlybear said:

NathanAllen said:

KoreAmBear said:

NathanAllen said:

Craziest ending to a game I've seen in a while. Just. Wow.
FTs bite us in the ass again. Our best chance was Matt making that 3.

Matt 20, Grant 18, Andre 17. That will keep us in games if we have that distribution.
Also, that's true, but that opportunity doesn't even happen if Timmy Allen doesn't go 1-for-4 from the line in the last 30 seconds. That was a meltdown.

That's my take. As close as we came to winning it, it would have been a steal. Once again, Cal failed to execute down the stretch. Hate to pick in Hyder but that one possession was brutal. But he/that wasn't the only execution failure down the stretch. Meanwhile, Utah enjoyed a parade at the free throw line due to some brutal/dumb fouls by Cal.
Utah was like, "nah, I'm good, you can win this game, Cal." And then Cal was like, "nah, we don't want it either."

In his post-game presser, Fox was lamenting about the fouls but I couldn't tell if he was peeved by the officiating or Cal's defense. Either way, it personally bothers me when coaches complain about fouls in a post-game presser. But that's just me. He did get back to the point that if Cal plays better in the 39 minutes before the last minute, the fouls don't matter as much.

I can't tell if they were good calls or not, but there were a couple critical late-clock fouls by Cal in crunch time that were really about lack of defensive disciplined, including one that was the result of a poor close-out. Argh.
I don't recall being upset by any blatant bad calls. Cal ranks No. 240 in the country in FTA/FGA rate. It's not exactly a strength of the Bears' defense to keep teams off the foul line.

It seemed like Cal was getting called for touch fouls while getting clobbered at the other end down the stretch. At least until the blocking foul that should have been a charge on Bradley near the end. But by then the makeup call was too late...or so we thought.
Anyway, the foul disparity was the difference in crunch time.
I don't disagree that free-throws (and turnovers) were the difference in this game. As I said somewhere on one of these threads, Utah was +10 on made free-throws and +9 on points off turnovers. That's 19 easy points that Cal had to make up somewhere. And they damn-near did.
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NathanAllen said:

drizzlybear said:

NathanAllen said:

KoreAmBear said:

NathanAllen said:

Craziest ending to a game I've seen in a while. Just. Wow.
FTs bite us in the ass again. Our best chance was Matt making that 3.

Matt 20, Grant 18, Andre 17. That will keep us in games if we have that distribution.
Also, that's true, but that opportunity doesn't even happen if Timmy Allen doesn't go 1-for-4 from the line in the last 30 seconds. That was a meltdown.

That's my take. As close as we came to winning it, it would have been a steal. Once again, Cal failed to execute down the stretch. Hate to pick in Hyder but that one possession was brutal. But he/that wasn't the only execution failure down the stretch. Meanwhile, Utah enjoyed a parade at the free throw line due to some brutal/dumb fouls by Cal.
Utah was like, "nah, I'm good, you can win this game, Cal." And then Cal was like, "nah, we don't want it either."

In his post-game presser, Fox was lamenting about the fouls but I couldn't tell if he was peeved by the officiating or Cal's defense. Either way, it personally bothers me when coaches complain about fouls in a post-game presser. But that's just me. He did get back to the point that if Cal plays better in the 39 minutes before the last minute, the fouls don't matter as much.
Curious, did you hear Steve Kerr complaining about fouls after the Knicks game a couple of weeks back? Kerr complained bitterly about how much his players were fouling instead of playing defense. In spite of the terrible call that resulted in Draymond's ejection and the tight way the game was called (the Knicks were called for 28 fouls, the Warriors "only" 26), he refused to blame the officials for anything and blamed his players' actions, also suggesting he maybe needed to coach differently to stop all the reaching.

Kerr was brutal in that post-game presser, as brutal as I've ever seen him. Anyway, just wondering if that kind of complaining about fouls bothers you.
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SFCityBear said:

drizzlybear said:

bearister said:

...that now makes Braun and Monty opining Bradley has a puncher's chance at next level.

...I agree with Monty that you have to knock down open shots, but how many times have you seen a good shooter so wide open that you know it is going to be nothing but brick. It's almost like a little bit of D focuses the concentration.

I think MB has a great shot at making the nba. His foot quickness is his weakness (and that's a big weakness to have), but his uncommon strength is a significant and rare asset. I think he gets there.
He needs to be more of a team player, and realize when he is double and triple teamed, one or more of his teammates will be open for a better shot than the one he is about to take, and get the ball to him. Cal would be a better team if he would start doing that, say about 10-20% of the time when he drives. Whether he is under orders to shoot every time he has a possible opening, I don't know. He may be, and he can carry a team, but we continue to lose. Coach Fox needs to encourage Bradley to know where his teammates are as he drives, if he is not telling him that already. And Fox needs to scheme to get Bradley's teammates into open spots, when Bradley takes off on a drive, if he is not doing that already.

Bradley's one of my favorite Cal players in recent history, but I agree with all the critiques/assessments of him here. Next season, I'd love to see him raise his assists-per-game and also his shooting percentage. Mainly, I'd just like to see him on a team that WINS A LOT MORE (and he would be the prime contributor to that).

Yeah, for the next level, he lacks length. And for somebody who might make it with his length, he lacks foot speed, lateral quickness and overall athleticism. If he can make it in the NBA though, more power to him: I'd LOVE to be proven wrong on that one!
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SFCityBear said:

drizzlybear said:

bearister said:

...that now makes Braun and Monty opining Bradley has a puncher's chance at next level.

...I agree with Monty that you have to knock down open shots, but how many times have you seen a good shooter so wide open that you know it is going to be nothing but brick. It's almost like a little bit of D focuses the concentration.

I think MB has a great shot at making the nba. His foot quickness is his weakness (and that's a big weakness to have), but his uncommon strength is a significant and rare asset. I think he gets there.
He needs to be more of a team player, and realize when he is double and triple teamed, one or more of his teammates will be open for a better shot than the one he is about to take, and get the ball to him. Cal would be a better team if he would start doing that, say about 10-20% of the time when he drives. Whether he is under orders to shoot every time he has a possible opening, I don't know. He may be, and he can carry a team, but we continue to lose. Coach Fox needs to encourage Bradley to know where his teammates are as he drives, if he is not telling him that already. And Fox needs to scheme to get Bradley's teammates into open spots, when Bradley takes off on a drive, if he is not doing that already.

I realize I'm probably in the minority on this, but I completely disagree with the narrative that Bradley is not a team player and doesn't pass willingly or well. We just saw him put on a passing clinic in the furd game (I forget which one). Unfortunately, no other Cal players were making shots that night, so Bradley's stats don't reflect the prevalent and effective passing he was doing in that game.

Of course it's not just that one game. In fact, in last night's game here's several passes he made in just the last few minutes of crunch time to create great opportunities for his teammates:

3:12 pick-and-roll pocket pass to Kelly down the lane that leads directly to uncontested corner-3 for Hyder (miss)

2:32 drive to elbow, dish to Kelly for floater in the key

0:22 drive in key, dish to Kelly by the basket (Kelly misses twice at the rim before scoring; no assist)

Also, earlier in that same half I recall Bradley also passing in to Thiemann in the key (LT dropped pass out of bounds).

Matt Bradley is a willing and skilled passer, as he has demonstrated in these examples i can think of just off the top of my head. Bradley is far and away Cal's best offensive weapon. He's not a point guard. Cal needs him to look to score, which he does. But he also still does pass for better opportunities for his teammates, including repeatedly in crunch time as he did last night.
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the charge on bradley was a bad call. the problem is the ref signaled the defender was in the arc, but the defender jumped to the spot so his feet would be outside the arc, but his body was already leaning backwards and he certainly was not in a set defensive position

the proper call should have been a block (which is not a reviewable foul call, but even if it would have been reviewed the call would have stood if it was properly called a block on the court)

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HoopDreams said:

the charge on bradley was a bad call. the problem is the ref signaled the defender was in the arc, but the defender jumped to the spot so his feet would be outside the arc, but his body was already leaning backwards and he certainly was not in a set defensive position

the proper call should have been a block (which is not a reviewable foul call, but even if it would have been reviewed the call would have stood if it was properly called a block on the court)


Not sure where in the rules it says the defender has to have his feet set. He did beat Bradly to the spot before Bradley left his feet.

But you may be right though, because it sure looked like a makeup call shortly after.
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Civil Bear said:

HoopDreams said:

the charge on bradley was a bad call. the problem is the ref signaled the defender was in the arc, but the defender jumped to the spot so his feet would be outside the arc, but his body was already leaning backwards and he certainly was not in a set defensive position

the proper call should have been a block (which is not a reviewable foul call, but even if it would have been reviewed the call would have stood if it was properly called a block on the court)


Not sure where in the rules it says the defender has to have his feet set. He did beat Bradly to the spot before Bradley left his feet.

But you may be right though, because it sure looked like a makeup call shortly after.
NCAA rule: Before the offensive player (with the ball) becomes airborne, the defender must have two feet on the floor, be facing the opponent and be stationary to draw a charge. Otherwise, it should be a blocking foul


How can a player be 'stationary' with their feet that much in front of their body leaning backwards?

Bradley was probably already in the air too

terrible call
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HoopDreams said:

Civil Bear said:

HoopDreams said:

the charge on bradley was a bad call. the problem is the ref signaled the defender was in the arc, but the defender jumped to the spot so his feet would be outside the arc, but his body was already leaning backwards and he certainly was not in a set defensive position

the proper call should have been a block (which is not a reviewable foul call, but even if it would have been reviewed the call would have stood if it was properly called a block on the court)


Not sure where in the rules it says the defender has to have his feet set. He did beat Bradly to the spot before Bradley left his feet.

But you may be right though, because it sure looked like a makeup call shortly after.
NCAA rule: Before the offensive player (with the ball) becomes airborne, the defender must have two feet on the floor, be facing the opponent and be stationary to draw a charge. Otherwise, it should be a blocking foul


How can a player be 'stationary' with their feet that much in front of their body leaning backwards?

Bradley was probably already in the air too

terrible call
I did look to see his feet were down just before Bradley left his feet. Don't know about his body, but his feet were stationary.
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Civil Bear said:

HoopDreams said:

Civil Bear said:

HoopDreams said:

the charge on bradley was a bad call. the problem is the ref signaled the defender was in the arc, but the defender jumped to the spot so his feet would be outside the arc, but his body was already leaning backwards and he certainly was not in a set defensive position

the proper call should have been a block (which is not a reviewable foul call, but even if it would have been reviewed the call would have stood if it was properly called a block on the court)


Not sure where in the rules it says the defender has to have his feet set. He did beat Bradly to the spot before Bradley left his feet.

But you may be right though, because it sure looked like a makeup call shortly after.
NCAA rule: Before the offensive player (with the ball) becomes airborne, the defender must have two feet on the floor, be facing the opponent and be stationary to draw a charge. Otherwise, it should be a blocking foul


How can a player be 'stationary' with their feet that much in front of their body leaning backwards?

Bradley was probably already in the air too

terrible call
I did look to see his feet were down just before Bradley left his feet. Don't know about his body, but his feet were stationary.
it defies logic if that was a charge... but if you don't believe me, you can believe the officiating crew who made a make up call the next time Matt touched the ball
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drizzlybear said:

SFCityBear said:

drizzlybear said:

bearister said:

...that now makes Braun and Monty opining Bradley has a puncher's chance at next level.

...I agree with Monty that you have to knock down open shots, but how many times have you seen a good shooter so wide open that you know it is going to be nothing but brick. It's almost like a little bit of D focuses the concentration.

I think MB has a great shot at making the nba. His foot quickness is his weakness (and that's a big weakness to have), but his uncommon strength is a significant and rare asset. I think he gets there.
He needs to be more of a team player, and realize when he is double and triple teamed, one or more of his teammates will be open for a better shot than the one he is about to take, and get the ball to him. Cal would be a better team if he would start doing that, say about 10-20% of the time when he drives. Whether he is under orders to shoot every time he has a possible opening, I don't know. He may be, and he can carry a team, but we continue to lose. Coach Fox needs to encourage Bradley to know where his teammates are as he drives, if he is not telling him that already. And Fox needs to scheme to get Bradley's teammates into open spots, when Bradley takes off on a drive, if he is not doing that already.

I realize I'm probably in the minority on this, but I completely disagree with the narrative that Bradley is not a team player and doesn't pass willingly or well. We just saw him put on a passing clinic in the furd game (I forget which one). Unfortunately, no other Cal players were making shots that night, so Bradley's stats don't reflect the prevalent and effective passing he was doing in that game.

Of course it's not just that one game. In fact, in last night's game here's several passes he made in just the last few minutes of crunch time to create great opportunities for his teammates:

3:12 pick-and-roll pocket pass to Kelly down the lane that leads directly to uncontested corner-3 for Hyder (miss)

2:32 drive to elbow, dish to Kelly for floater in the key

0:22 drive in key, dish to Kelly by the basket (Kelly misses twice at the rim before scoring; no assist)

Also, earlier in that same half I recall Bradley also passing in to Thiemann in the key (LT dropped pass out of bounds).

Matt Bradley is a willing and skilled passer, as he has demonstrated in these examples i can think of just off the top of my head. Bradley is far and away Cal's best offensive weapon. He's not a point guard. Cal needs him to look to score, which he does. But he also still does pass for better opportunities for his teammates, including repeatedly in crunch time as he did last night.
Mike Montgomery, as the announcer yesterday, on a play where Bradley took the ball to the basket against a double team, with another Cal player open, after lauding Bradley as a really good player, said something like this: "Bradley must know where his teammates are. He should look for his teammates more. It is the one thing about his game that he needs to do more." Or something like that. The quotes are mine.

I expanded on what Montgomery had said. If you want to disagree, fine. But 4 passes, one resulting in an assist for the 2nd player, one an actual assist, one not an assist, and one dropped ball is OK, nothing great, and is not typical of Bradley's over all season. He has had only 25 assists this season, less than 2 per game.

He has had only 3 games all season where he got more than 2 assists. The Stanford game you mentioned, where he had 4 assists, and took only 5 two point shot attempts. I think he had to pass more against Stanford. Their interior defense was so tough, no Cal guards were getting to the basket. Against Oregon, he had 3 assists, and took only 3 two point shots. Against USF, he had 5 assists, and took 11 two point shot attempts. (At that point I wondered if Cal might be better with Bradley at point guard. He as the tools, but maybe as I said, Coach Fox wants him to score as much himself as possible). If you take away those three games, in the remaining games, that leaves Bradley with only 13 assists for 15 games, less than one assist per game. He had zero assists against USC, and zero assists against UCLA. 4 assists in the Stanford game is good, but is not exactly a coaching clinic. Bradley makes a lot more turnovers than assists, and his assist/turnover ratio is upside down, at 0.568.

I know statistics don't tell us everything. They don't tell us that Bradley made the first pass which resulted in a teammate getting an assist and a 2nd teammate the bucket. All assists require teammates to get open, Bradley to know they are open and make a good pass, and the teammate has to hold on to the ball, avoid a turnover, steal or shot block and shoot it accurately into the basket. On top of that assists are subjective, an official's judgment. But to average less than one assist per game for nearly all his games, does not impress me, and I'd have to trust Montgomery, when he says Bradley must know where his teammates are and he needs to look for them. As I said above, maybe Fox wants Bradley to score himself whenever he can.





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the charge on bradley was a bad call. the problem is the ref signaled the defender was in the arc, but the defender jumped to the spot so his feet would be outside the arc, but his body was already leaning backwards and he certainly was not in a set defensive position

the proper call should have been a block (which is not a reviewable foul call, but even if it would have been reviewed the call would have stood if it was properly called a block on the court)


Not sure where in the rules it says the defender has to have his feet set. He did beat Bradly to the spot before Bradley left his feet.

But you may be right though, because it sure looked like a makeup call shortly after.
NCAA rule: Before the offensive player (with the ball) becomes airborne, the defender must have two feet on the floor, be facing the opponent and be stationary to draw a charge. Otherwise, it should be a blocking foul


How can a player be 'stationary' with their feet that much in front of their body leaning backwards?

Bradley was probably already in the air too

terrible call
I did look to see his feet were down just before Bradley left his feet. Don't know about his body, but his feet were stationary.
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the charge on bradley was a bad call. the problem is the ref signaled the defender was in the arc, but the defender jumped to the spot so his feet would be outside the arc, but his body was already leaning backwards and he certainly was not in a set defensive position

the proper call should have been a block (which is not a reviewable foul call, but even if it would have been reviewed the call would have stood if it was properly called a block on the court)


Not sure where in the rules it says the defender has to have his feet set. He did beat Bradly to the spot before Bradley left his feet.

But you may be right though, because it sure looked like a makeup call shortly after.
NCAA rule: Before the offensive player (with the ball) becomes airborne, the defender must have two feet on the floor, be facing the opponent and be stationary to draw a charge. Otherwise, it should be a blocking foul


How can a player be 'stationary' with their feet that much in front of their body leaning backwards?

Bradley was probably already in the air too

terrible call
I did look to see his feet were down just before Bradley left his feet. Don't know about his body, but his feet were stationary.
it defies logic if that was a charge... but if you don't believe me, you can believe the officiating crew who made a make up call the next time Matt touched the ball
I think you need to re-read what I said in this thread.
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I think you are referring to that you checked that Bradley jumped after the defenders feet had handed

Let me put it another way. The general usage of block / charge is the defender is set and square with the offensive player. The defender can be moving backwards in the sense that they can be back peddling if they were already square and continue to be square (offensive player can not just run over a retreating defender who going straight back)

But charge/block is the hardest call in basketball and people apply it differently and it seems to morph over years

I thought it was a clear block, but who really knows. The thing that confirms it for me was the three refs who watched it in slow motion many times from multiple angles let the ref do the makeup call the first time Matt touched the ball

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the charge on bradley was a bad call. the problem is the ref signaled the defender was in the arc, but the defender jumped to the spot so his feet would be outside the arc, but his body was already leaning backwards and he certainly was not in a set defensive position

the proper call should have been a block (which is not a reviewable foul call, but even if it would have been reviewed the call would have stood if it was properly called a block on the court)


Not sure where in the rules it says the defender has to have his feet set. He did beat Bradly to the spot before Bradley left his feet.

But you may be right though, because it sure looked like a makeup call shortly after.
NCAA rule: Before the offensive player (with the ball) becomes airborne, the defender must have two feet on the floor, be facing the opponent and be stationary to draw a charge. Otherwise, it should be a blocking foul


How can a player be 'stationary' with their feet that much in front of their body leaning backwards?

Bradley was probably already in the air too

terrible call
I did look to see his feet were down just before Bradley left his feet. Don't know about his body, but his feet were stationary.
it defies logic if that was a charge... but if you don't believe me, you can believe the officiating crew who made a make up call the next time Matt touched the ball
I think you need to re-read what I said in this thread.
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...that now makes Braun and Monty opining Bradley has a puncher's chance at next level.

...I agree with Monty that you have to knock down open shots, but how many times have you seen a good shooter so wide open that you know it is going to be nothing but brick. It's almost like a little bit of D focuses the concentration.

I think MB has a great shot at making the nba. His foot quickness is his weakness (and that's a big weakness to have), but his uncommon strength is a significant and rare asset. I think he gets there.
He needs to be more of a team player, and realize when he is double and triple teamed, one or more of his teammates will be open for a better shot than the one he is about to take, and get the ball to him. Cal would be a better team if he would start doing that, say about 10-20% of the time when he drives. Whether he is under orders to shoot every time he has a possible opening, I don't know. He may be, and he can carry a team, but we continue to lose. Coach Fox needs to encourage Bradley to know where his teammates are as he drives, if he is not telling him that already. And Fox needs to scheme to get Bradley's teammates into open spots, when Bradley takes off on a drive, if he is not doing that already.

I realize I'm probably in the minority on this, but I completely disagree with the narrative that Bradley is not a team player and doesn't pass willingly or well. We just saw him put on a passing clinic in the furd game (I forget which one). Unfortunately, no other Cal players were making shots that night, so Bradley's stats don't reflect the prevalent and effective passing he was doing in that game.

Of course it's not just that one game. In fact, in last night's game here's several passes he made in just the last few minutes of crunch time to create great opportunities for his teammates:

3:12 pick-and-roll pocket pass to Kelly down the lane that leads directly to uncontested corner-3 for Hyder (miss)

2:32 drive to elbow, dish to Kelly for floater in the key

0:22 drive in key, dish to Kelly by the basket (Kelly misses twice at the rim before scoring; no assist)

Also, earlier in that same half I recall Bradley also passing in to Thiemann in the key (LT dropped pass out of bounds).

Matt Bradley is a willing and skilled passer, as he has demonstrated in these examples i can think of just off the top of my head. Bradley is far and away Cal's best offensive weapon. He's not a point guard. Cal needs him to look to score, which he does. But he also still does pass for better opportunities for his teammates, including repeatedly in crunch time as he did last night.
Mike Montgomery, as the announcer yesterday, on a play where Bradley took the ball to the basket against a double team, with another Cal player open, after lauding Bradley as a really good player, said something like this: "Bradley must know where his teammates are. He should look for his teammates more. It is the one thing about his game that he needs to do more." Or something like that. The quotes are mine.

I expanded on what Montgomery had said. If you want to disagree, fine. But 4 passes, one resulting in an assist for the 2nd player, one an actual assist, one not an assist, and one dropped ball is OK, nothing great, and is not typical of Bradley's over all season. He has had only 25 assists this season, less than 2 per game.

He has had only 3 games all season where he got more than 2 assists. The Stanford game you mentioned, where he had 4 assists, and took only 5 two point shot attempts. I think he had to pass more against Stanford. Their interior defense was so tough, no Cal guards were getting to the basket. Against Oregon, he had 3 assists, and took only 3 two point shots. Against USF, he had 5 assists, and took 11 two point shot attempts. (At that point I wondered if Cal might be better with Bradley at point guard. He as the tools, but maybe as I said, Coach Fox wants him to score as much himself as possible). If you take away those three games, in the remaining games, that leaves Bradley with only 13 assists for 15 games, less than one assist per game. He had zero assists against USC, and zero assists against UCLA. 4 assists in the Stanford game is good, but is not exactly a coaching clinic. Bradley makes a lot more turnovers than assists, and his assist/turnover ratio is upside down, at 0.568.

I know statistics don't tell us everything. They don't tell us that Bradley made the first pass which resulted in a teammate getting an assist and a 2nd teammate the bucket. All assists require teammates to get open, Bradley to know they are open and make a good pass, and the teammate has to hold on to the ball, avoid a turnover, steal or shot block and shoot it accurately into the basket. On top of that assists are subjective, an official's judgment. But to average less than one assist per game for nearly all his games, does not impress me, and I'd have to trust Montgomery, when he says Bradley must know where his teammates are and he needs to look for them. As I said above, maybe Fox wants Bradley to score himself whenever he can.







I heard Montgomery make that comment. Obviously he knows more in his little finger about the game than I do, but I also know that Montgomery does not do any homework for these assignments. And I honestly believe that comment was a little lazy on his part. I pointed out the facts of the game that was a data point that prompted your comment. Those possessions I detailed were just off the top of my head, and I think they contradict the narrative. The fact that Bradley was repeatedly setting up teammates in crunch time, and yet would still prompt accusations of unwillingness to find teammates, in my view, shows that people have some confirmation bias based on the narrative.

If Bradley really is averaging nearly two assists per game, that's actually not bad considering he's not a point guard and nobody else on this team can reliably score the ball. We just saw that in that crunch-time stretch I detailed where Bradley set up his teammates (directly or indirectly) for 4 high-quality scoring opportunities in the final few minutes alone and yet got credited with only one assist.

The fact that you rely on the assists figure for that stanfurd game shows that you are not basing your perspective on what actually is happening. His teammates were not making shots, which is typical for this team but was particularly bad in the furd game(s), and that cost him a number of assists that game. He should have had at least 8 assists that game.
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Bradley is a willing passer, and has a PG background

He has good vision although he puts so much heat on his passes probably only Kelly can handle them

I even think we should try a line up where he plays the point and we put another scorer on the court
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Here's some data, according to Kenpom:

Bradley's shot% is 33.9% (No. 14). His poss% is 32.4% (No. 13). His assist rate is 14.1% (NR).

There are literally only about a dozen players in all of NCAA D1 hoops that shoot or end a possession at a higher rate than Bradley.

Last year, Bradley's shot% was 30.0% (No. 87), poss% was 27.4% (No. 157). And assist rate was 12.2% (NR).

So Bradley is shooting it, ending possessions, and creating assists all at a higher rate than last year.

In my opinion, Bradley should have very high shoot% and poss%. Should it be this high? I don't know.

The reason why I support it is not only his high FG percentages (38.8% from three and 51.4% from two), but also his ability to draw fouls and get to the line. He draws 5.8 fouls per 40 minutes, which is No. 100 in the country and his FTA rate is 38.1. His FT percentage is 84.7%, which is No. 119 in the country.

Only Grant and Joel have higher 3P% than Bradley and Joel's volume is much lower. Only Lars, Andre, and Hyder have higher 2P% but Lars and Hyder are at a much lower volume. And only Foreman has a higher FT% than Bradley, but again at a much lower volume. The next highest fouls drawn per 40 minutes rate is Hyder at 4.3.

Could Bradley create more for his teammates? Perhaps. But as others have pointed out, if Bradley's shots are the only ones going in or if he's the only one getting to the FT line, is it best for him to distribute? Or just put the head down and score?
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Here's some data, according to Kenpom:

Bradley's shot% is 33.9% (No. 14). His poss% is 32.4% (No. 13). His assist rate is 14.1% (NR).

There are literally only about a dozen players in all of NCAA D1 hoops that shoot or end a possession at a higher rate than Bradley.

Last year, Bradley's shot% was 30.0% (No. 87), poss% was 27.4% (No. 157). And assist rate was 12.2% (NR).

So Bradley is shooting it, ending possessions, and creating assists all at a higher rate than last year.

In my opinion, Bradley should have very high shoot% and poss%. Should it be this high? I don't know.

The reason why I support it is not only his high FG percentages (38.8% from three and 51.4% from two), but also his ability to draw fouls and get to the line. He draws 5.8 fouls per 40 minutes, which is No. 100 in the country and his FTA rate is 38.1. His FT percentage is 84.7%, which is No. 119 in the country.

Only Grant and Joel have higher 3P% than Bradley and Joel's volume is much lower. Only Lars, Andre, and Hyder have higher 2P% but Lars and Hyder are at a much lower volume. And only Foreman has a higher FT% than Bradley, but again at a much lower volume. The next highest fouls drawn per 40 minutes rate is Hyder at 4.3.

Could Bradley create more for his teammates? Perhaps. But as others have pointed out, if Bradley's shots are the only ones going in or if he's the only one getting to the FT line, is it best for him to distribute? Or just put the head down and score?
excellent analysis, and you identified the right question (bolded)

I see Bradley playing within the flow of the offense, and distributing to his teammate as well as most SGs

He has the vision and passing ability to be effective at distributing the ball, and he recognizes that he is a magnet for defenses. When a player draws that much attention, other players are open, and he and Cal has exploited that with some of the best passing I've seen at Cal for awhile

But the other Cal players have too infrequently got it done

Therefore, Matt takes it in his own hands and forces the action, and generally has gotten it done. We would be winning a significant number of additional games if our players would be able to step up in crunch time and just make a play

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Maybe Bradley could defend even better, if he were not so often carrying the team on his back on offense. Ideally, other teammates could carry more of the load. I said ideally.
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drizzlybear said:

SFCityBear said:

drizzlybear said:

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...that now makes Braun and Monty opining Bradley has a puncher's chance at next level.

...I agree with Monty that you have to knock down open shots, but how many times have you seen a good shooter so wide open that you know it is going to be nothing but brick. It's almost like a little bit of D focuses the concentration.

I think MB has a great shot at making the nba. His foot quickness is his weakness (and that's a big weakness to have), but his uncommon strength is a significant and rare asset. I think he gets there.
He needs to be more of a team player, and realize when he is double and triple teamed, one or more of his teammates will be open for a better shot than the one he is about to take, and get the ball to him. Cal would be a better team if he would start doing that, say about 10-20% of the time when he drives. Whether he is under orders to shoot every time he has a possible opening, I don't know. He may be, and he can carry a team, but we continue to lose. Coach Fox needs to encourage Bradley to know where his teammates are as he drives, if he is not telling him that already. And Fox needs to scheme to get Bradley's teammates into open spots, when Bradley takes off on a drive, if he is not doing that already.

I realize I'm probably in the minority on this, but I completely disagree with the narrative that Bradley is not a team player and doesn't pass willingly or well. We just saw him put on a passing clinic in the furd game (I forget which one). Unfortunately, no other Cal players were making shots that night, so Bradley's stats don't reflect the prevalent and effective passing he was doing in that game.

Of course it's not just that one game. In fact, in last night's game here's several passes he made in just the last few minutes of crunch time to create great opportunities for his teammates:

3:12 pick-and-roll pocket pass to Kelly down the lane that leads directly to uncontested corner-3 for Hyder (miss)

2:32 drive to elbow, dish to Kelly for floater in the key

0:22 drive in key, dish to Kelly by the basket (Kelly misses twice at the rim before scoring; no assist)

Also, earlier in that same half I recall Bradley also passing in to Thiemann in the key (LT dropped pass out of bounds).

Matt Bradley is a willing and skilled passer, as he has demonstrated in these examples i can think of just off the top of my head. Bradley is far and away Cal's best offensive weapon. He's not a point guard. Cal needs him to look to score, which he does. But he also still does pass for better opportunities for his teammates, including repeatedly in crunch time as he did last night.
Mike Montgomery, as the announcer yesterday, on a play where Bradley took the ball to the basket against a double team, with another Cal player open, after lauding Bradley as a really good player, said something like this: "Bradley must know where his teammates are. He should look for his teammates more. It is the one thing about his game that he needs to do more." Or something like that. The quotes are mine.

I expanded on what Montgomery had said. If you want to disagree, fine. But 4 passes, one resulting in an assist for the 2nd player, one an actual assist, one not an assist, and one dropped ball is OK, nothing great, and is not typical of Bradley's over all season. He has had only 25 assists this season, less than 2 per game.

He has had only 3 games all season where he got more than 2 assists. The Stanford game you mentioned, where he had 4 assists, and took only 5 two point shot attempts. I think he had to pass more against Stanford. Their interior defense was so tough, no Cal guards were getting to the basket. Against Oregon, he had 3 assists, and took only 3 two point shots. Against USF, he had 5 assists, and took 11 two point shot attempts. (At that point I wondered if Cal might be better with Bradley at point guard. He as the tools, but maybe as I said, Coach Fox wants him to score as much himself as possible). If you take away those three games, in the remaining games, that leaves Bradley with only 13 assists for 15 games, less than one assist per game. He had zero assists against USC, and zero assists against UCLA. 4 assists in the Stanford game is good, but is not exactly a coaching clinic. Bradley makes a lot more turnovers than assists, and his assist/turnover ratio is upside down, at 0.568.

I know statistics don't tell us everything. They don't tell us that Bradley made the first pass which resulted in a teammate getting an assist and a 2nd teammate the bucket. All assists require teammates to get open, Bradley to know they are open and make a good pass, and the teammate has to hold on to the ball, avoid a turnover, steal or shot block and shoot it accurately into the basket. On top of that assists are subjective, an official's judgment. But to average less than one assist per game for nearly all his games, does not impress me, and I'd have to trust Montgomery, when he says Bradley must know where his teammates are and he needs to look for them. As I said above, maybe Fox wants Bradley to score himself whenever he can.







I heard Montgomery make that comment. Obviously he knows more in his little finger about the game than I do, but I also know that Montgomery does not do any homework for these assignments. And I honestly believe that comment was a little lazy on his part. I pointed out the facts of the game that was a data point that prompted your comment. Those possessions I detailed were just off the top of my head, and I think they contradict the narrative. The fact that Bradley was repeatedly setting up teammates in crunch time, and yet would still prompt accusations of unwillingness to find teammates, in my view, shows that people have some confirmation bias based on the narrative.

If Bradley really is averaging nearly two assists per game, that's actually not bad considering he's not a point guard and nobody else on this team can reliably score the ball. We just saw that in that crunch-time stretch I detailed where Bradley set up his teammates (directly or indirectly) for 4 high-quality scoring opportunities in the final few minutes alone and yet got credited with only one assist.

The fact that you rely on the assists figure for that stanfurd game shows that you are not basing your perspective on what actually is happening. His teammates were not making shots, which is typical for this team but was particularly bad in the furd game(s), and that cost him a number of assists that game. He should have had at least 8 assists that game.
Well, you are making some points that sound rational. It isn't the way I remember it, but I confess to not watching every minute of every game. I can sometimes get distracted or leave the TV because I'd rather watch or do something else other than watch loss after loss. I don't have a recording of the Stanford game any longer, but I do have one of the Utah game which I will watch again. I won't be able to watch the Colorado game, as I don't get ESPNU on my TV. I am always willing to get educated, and so I will watch Bradley more closely, and let you know what I see. It may take a while, but I will get back to you.
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I think you are referring to that you checked that Bradley jumped after the defenders feet had handed

Let me put it another way. The general usage of block / charge is the defender is set and square with the offensive player. The defender can be moving backwards in the sense that they can be back peddling if they were already square and continue to be square (offensive player can not just run over a retreating defender who going straight back)

But charge/block is the hardest call in basketball and people apply it differently and it seems to morph over years

I thought it was a clear block, but who really knows. The thing that confirms it for me was the three refs who watched it in slow motion many times from multiple angles let the ref do the makeup call the first time Matt touched the ball

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the charge on bradley was a bad call. the problem is the ref signaled the defender was in the arc, but the defender jumped to the spot so his feet would be outside the arc, but his body was already leaning backwards and he certainly was not in a set defensive position

the proper call should have been a block (which is not a reviewable foul call, but even if it would have been reviewed the call would have stood if it was properly called a block on the court)


Not sure where in the rules it says the defender has to have his feet set. He did beat Bradly to the spot before Bradley left his feet.

But you may be right though, because it sure looked like a makeup call shortly after.
NCAA rule: Before the offensive player (with the ball) becomes airborne, the defender must have two feet on the floor, be facing the opponent and be stationary to draw a charge. Otherwise, it should be a blocking foul


How can a player be 'stationary' with their feet that much in front of their body leaning backwards?

Bradley was probably already in the air too

terrible call
I did look to see his feet were down just before Bradley left his feet. Don't know about his body, but his feet were stationary.
it defies logic if that was a charge... but if you don't believe me, you can believe the officiating crew who made a make up call the next time Matt touched the ball
I think you need to re-read what I said in this thread.


ok, I'm not obsessed with this, and don't have any big desire to be right on this. but I much rather talk about basketball then about coaches, so here goes ... you be the judge!





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...that now makes Braun and Monty opining Bradley has a puncher's chance at next level.

...I agree with Monty that you have to knock down open shots, but how many times have you seen a good shooter so wide open that you know it is going to be nothing but brick. It's almost like a little bit of D focuses the concentration.

I think MB has a great shot at making the nba. His foot quickness is his weakness (and that's a big weakness to have), but his uncommon strength is a significant and rare asset. I think he gets there.
He needs to be more of a team player, and realize when he is double and triple teamed, one or more of his teammates will be open for a better shot than the one he is about to take, and get the ball to him. Cal would be a better team if he would start doing that, say about 10-20% of the time when he drives. Whether he is under orders to shoot every time he has a possible opening, I don't know. He may be, and he can carry a team, but we continue to lose. Coach Fox needs to encourage Bradley to know where his teammates are as he drives, if he is not telling him that already. And Fox needs to scheme to get Bradley's teammates into open spots, when Bradley takes off on a drive, if he is not doing that already.

I realize I'm probably in the minority on this, but I completely disagree with the narrative that Bradley is not a team player and doesn't pass willingly or well. We just saw him put on a passing clinic in the furd game (I forget which one). Unfortunately, no other Cal players were making shots that night, so Bradley's stats don't reflect the prevalent and effective passing he was doing in that game.

Of course it's not just that one game. In fact, in last night's game here's several passes he made in just the last few minutes of crunch time to create great opportunities for his teammates:

3:12 pick-and-roll pocket pass to Kelly down the lane that leads directly to uncontested corner-3 for Hyder (miss)

2:32 drive to elbow, dish to Kelly for floater in the key

0:22 drive in key, dish to Kelly by the basket (Kelly misses twice at the rim before scoring; no assist)

Also, earlier in that same half I recall Bradley also passing in to Thiemann in the key (LT dropped pass out of bounds).

Matt Bradley is a willing and skilled passer, as he has demonstrated in these examples i can think of just off the top of my head. Bradley is far and away Cal's best offensive weapon. He's not a point guard. Cal needs him to look to score, which he does. But he also still does pass for better opportunities for his teammates, including repeatedly in crunch time as he did last night.
Mike Montgomery, as the announcer yesterday, on a play where Bradley took the ball to the basket against a double team, with another Cal player open, after lauding Bradley as a really good player, said something like this: "Bradley must know where his teammates are. He should look for his teammates more. It is the one thing about his game that he needs to do more." Or something like that. The quotes are mine.

I expanded on what Montgomery had said. If you want to disagree, fine. But 4 passes, one resulting in an assist for the 2nd player, one an actual assist, one not an assist, and one dropped ball is OK, nothing great, and is not typical of Bradley's over all season. He has had only 25 assists this season, less than 2 per game.

He has had only 3 games all season where he got more than 2 assists. The Stanford game you mentioned, where he had 4 assists, and took only 5 two point shot attempts. I think he had to pass more against Stanford. Their interior defense was so tough, no Cal guards were getting to the basket. Against Oregon, he had 3 assists, and took only 3 two point shots. Against USF, he had 5 assists, and took 11 two point shot attempts. (At that point I wondered if Cal might be better with Bradley at point guard. He as the tools, but maybe as I said, Coach Fox wants him to score as much himself as possible). If you take away those three games, in the remaining games, that leaves Bradley with only 13 assists for 15 games, less than one assist per game. He had zero assists against USC, and zero assists against UCLA. 4 assists in the Stanford game is good, but is not exactly a coaching clinic. Bradley makes a lot more turnovers than assists, and his assist/turnover ratio is upside down, at 0.568.

I know statistics don't tell us everything. They don't tell us that Bradley made the first pass which resulted in a teammate getting an assist and a 2nd teammate the bucket. All assists require teammates to get open, Bradley to know they are open and make a good pass, and the teammate has to hold on to the ball, avoid a turnover, steal or shot block and shoot it accurately into the basket. On top of that assists are subjective, an official's judgment. But to average less than one assist per game for nearly all his games, does not impress me, and I'd have to trust Montgomery, when he says Bradley must know where his teammates are and he needs to look for them. As I said above, maybe Fox wants Bradley to score himself whenever he can.







I heard Montgomery make that comment. Obviously he knows more in his little finger about the game than I do, but I also know that Montgomery does not do any homework for these assignments. And I honestly believe that comment was a little lazy on his part. I pointed out the facts of the game that was a data point that prompted your comment. Those possessions I detailed were just off the top of my head, and I think they contradict the narrative. The fact that Bradley was repeatedly setting up teammates in crunch time, and yet would still prompt accusations of unwillingness to find teammates, in my view, shows that people have some confirmation bias based on the narrative.

If Bradley really is averaging nearly two assists per game, that's actually not bad considering he's not a point guard and nobody else on this team can reliably score the ball. We just saw that in that crunch-time stretch I detailed where Bradley set up his teammates (directly or indirectly) for 4 high-quality scoring opportunities in the final few minutes alone and yet got credited with only one assist.

The fact that you rely on the assists figure for that stanfurd game shows that you are not basing your perspective on what actually is happening. His teammates were not making shots, which is typical for this team but was particularly bad in the furd game(s), and that cost him a number of assists that game. He should have had at least 8 assists that game.
Well, you are making some points that sound rational. It isn't the way I remember it, but I confess to not watching every minute of every game. I can sometimes get distracted or leave the TV because I'd rather watch or do something else other than watch loss after loss. I don't have a recording of the Stanford game any longer, but I do have one of the Utah game which I will watch again. I won't be able to watch the Colorado game, as I don't get ESPNU on my TV. I am always willing to get educated, and so I will watch Bradley more closely, and let you know what I see. It may take a while, but I will get back to you.

Thank you. I appreciate the opportunity to discuss this. It's an interesting topic. And of course when people like Mike Montgomery make comments that differ from my understanding, like you I give that serious consideration and have to carefully review my own understanding.

Thanks again for the discussion. I, too, will watch this closely going forward to continue to reassess my perspective.
 
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