Takeaways from the Stanford game

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SFCityBear
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My takeaways from the Stanford game are simple: Cal played very hard on defense, really got after it, and our shots were falling. It shows what Cal is capable of. I think if Da Silva was healthy, Cal still wins, but maybe by only 8-10 points.

Cal shot way over their heads, 54% field, 53% on threes, 79% from the stripe. Stanford shot just 38% from the floor, which is similar to what Cal shot in many of our previous losing efforts. The only Stanford player who we did not handle was McConnell.

When I watched the two teams play offense, Stanford looked better, maybe because they pass the ball and don't dribble it to death. When a Stanford player gets the ball, the first thing he does is usually to pass it or hand it off. Most Cal players dribble too much. Most of them dribble every time they get the ball. Cal players play one on one basketball. They receive a pass and then the first thing they do is they dribble, sometimes to drive, sometimes to shoot, sometimes to dribble around with no apparent purpose, but they usually dribble. When they get stopped by a defender or a double team, they will pass the ball to another teammate, and that teammate does the same thing, plays one on one, dribbles, and tries to shoot, or pass to another teammate for some more of the same. Of course, I generalize, and I exaggerate here, but to make a point. You will say, we won the game, so what? The point is we played great defense, and the shots we usually miss, were going in, and that is why we won. Now we have learned how to win a game against a better team. But we will not shoot phenomenal percentages like this in every game. This team now has to learn how to win when the shots are not falling. That is only done by stepping up the defensive pressure, and forcing the opponent to score less often.

If we are to advance in this tournament, we will have to keep up this intensity on defense, at least. It is perhaps too late in this season to begin to play less one on one, move more without the ball, and set up teammates for easier shots. That is something that can be learned over a summer of work and Fall practice, perhaps. We still have personnel deficiencies, and team weaknesses, but we have at least proved that we can play tough defense.




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HoopDreams
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three players dribble too much. unfortunately two of them are our PGs
Sonofoski
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SFCity,

You hit the nail on the head. Too many of today's players are playing one-on-one basketball, which to me is very boring.

When you get a pass from a teammate, maybe you should look first to see if somehow another teammate is open before you start dribbling around and boring us to death.
HoopDreams
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the time cal moves the ball well is when we play inside out

when the ball goes inside and draws defenders, and cal passes it out quickly, we are pretty good of moving the ball around the perimeter for open shots

we've done that better than any cal team in the last decade
BeachedBear
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SFCityBear said:

My takeaways from the Stanford game are simple: Cal played very hard on defense, really got after it, and our shots were falling. It shows what Cal is capable of. I think if Da Silva was healthy, Cal still wins, but maybe by only 8-10 points.

Cal shot way over their heads, 54% field, 53% on threes, 79% from the stripe. Stanford shot just 38% from the floor, which is similar to what Cal shot in many of our previous losing efforts. The only Stanford player who we did not handle was McConnell.

When I watched the two teams play offense, Stanford looked better, maybe because they pass the ball and don't dribble it to death. When a Stanford player gets the ball, the first thing he does is usually to pass it or hand it off. Most Cal players dribble too much. Most of them dribble every time they get the ball. Cal players play one on one basketball. They receive a pass and then the first thing they do is they dribble, sometimes to drive, sometimes to shoot, sometimes to dribble around with no apparent purpose, but they usually dribble. When they get stopped by a defender or a double team, they will pass the ball to another teammate, and that teammate does the same thing, plays one on one, dribbles, and tries to shoot, or pass to another teammate for some more of the same. Of course, I generalize, and I exaggerate here, but to make a point. You will say, we won the game, so what? The point is we played great defense, and the shots we usually miss, were going in, and that is why we won. Now we have learned how to win a game against a better team. But we will not shoot phenomenal percentages like this in every game. This team now has to learn how to win when the shots are not falling. That is only done by stepping up the defensive pressure, and forcing the opponent to score less often.

If we are to advance in this tournament, we will have to keep up this intensity on defense, at least. It is perhaps too late in this season to begin to play less one on one, move more without the ball, and set up teammates for easier shots. That is something that can be learned over a summer of work and Fall practice, perhaps. We still have personnel deficiencies, and team weaknesses, but we have at least proved that we can play tough defense.





Good Post. Defense A-, Shooting A, Offense C+,Stanfurd Meltdown A+
HearstMining
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BeachedBear said:

SFCityBear said:

My takeaways from the Stanford game are simple: Cal played very hard on defense, really got after it, and our shots were falling. It shows what Cal is capable of. I think if Da Silva was healthy, Cal still wins, but maybe by only 8-10 points.

Cal shot way over their heads, 54% field, 53% on threes, 79% from the stripe. Stanford shot just 38% from the floor, which is similar to what Cal shot in many of our previous losing efforts. The only Stanford player who we did not handle was McConnell.

When I watched the two teams play offense, Stanford looked better, maybe because they pass the ball and don't dribble it to death. When a Stanford player gets the ball, the first thing he does is usually to pass it or hand it off. Most Cal players dribble too much. Most of them dribble every time they get the ball. Cal players play one on one basketball. They receive a pass and then the first thing they do is they dribble, sometimes to drive, sometimes to shoot, sometimes to dribble around with no apparent purpose, but they usually dribble. When they get stopped by a defender or a double team, they will pass the ball to another teammate, and that teammate does the same thing, plays one on one, dribbles, and tries to shoot, or pass to another teammate for some more of the same. Of course, I generalize, and I exaggerate here, but to make a point. You will say, we won the game, so what? The point is we played great defense, and the shots we usually miss, were going in, and that is why we won. Now we have learned how to win a game against a better team. But we will not shoot phenomenal percentages like this in every game. This team now has to learn how to win when the shots are not falling. That is only done by stepping up the defensive pressure, and forcing the opponent to score less often.

If we are to advance in this tournament, we will have to keep up this intensity on defense, at least. It is perhaps too late in this season to begin to play less one on one, move more without the ball, and set up teammates for easier shots. That is something that can be learned over a summer of work and Fall practice, perhaps. We still have personnel deficiencies, and team weaknesses, but we have at least proved that we can play tough defense.





Good Post. Defense A-, Shooting A, Offense C+,Stanfurd Meltdown A+
The pattern I see is random motion and passing between 3-4 Cal players outside the three-point arc for the first 15-20 seconds of the possession. Everybody passing or receiving the ball is covered. Then under the pressure of the shot-clock, somebody either hoists up a shot or drives and possibly dishes, but the shooter is generally covered in all cases. I think Cal plays one-on-one basketball because they have no offensive schemes to get a player open to receive a pass and shoot. Here are examples:

1. HoopDreams makes the point on the Colorado game thread that Cal doesn't do a lot (any?) off-ball screening.
2. Opposition defenders can overplay the Cal players and get away with it because nobody ever makes a back-cut (aka "back-door").
3. Cal executes the pick & roll so poorly: the player with the ball doesn't use the screen, the screener (usually Kelly or Theimann) rarely rolls quickly to the hoop so is easily covered, and when they do roll correctly they never get the pass. And when Grant sets the screen, he never rolls but always floats out for a pick and pop so a defender can always just stick with him.

These are coaching issues. If Fox wants to go deep into the shot-clock, the defense has ample time to set up and so he has to give his players ways to get open.
sluggo
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HearstMining said:

BeachedBear said:

SFCityBear said:

My takeaways from the Stanford game are simple: Cal played very hard on defense, really got after it, and our shots were falling. It shows what Cal is capable of. I think if Da Silva was healthy, Cal still wins, but maybe by only 8-10 points.

Cal shot way over their heads, 54% field, 53% on threes, 79% from the stripe. Stanford shot just 38% from the floor, which is similar to what Cal shot in many of our previous losing efforts. The only Stanford player who we did not handle was McConnell.

When I watched the two teams play offense, Stanford looked better, maybe because they pass the ball and don't dribble it to death. When a Stanford player gets the ball, the first thing he does is usually to pass it or hand it off. Most Cal players dribble too much. Most of them dribble every time they get the ball. Cal players play one on one basketball. They receive a pass and then the first thing they do is they dribble, sometimes to drive, sometimes to shoot, sometimes to dribble around with no apparent purpose, but they usually dribble. When they get stopped by a defender or a double team, they will pass the ball to another teammate, and that teammate does the same thing, plays one on one, dribbles, and tries to shoot, or pass to another teammate for some more of the same. Of course, I generalize, and I exaggerate here, but to make a point. You will say, we won the game, so what? The point is we played great defense, and the shots we usually miss, were going in, and that is why we won. Now we have learned how to win a game against a better team. But we will not shoot phenomenal percentages like this in every game. This team now has to learn how to win when the shots are not falling. That is only done by stepping up the defensive pressure, and forcing the opponent to score less often.

If we are to advance in this tournament, we will have to keep up this intensity on defense, at least. It is perhaps too late in this season to begin to play less one on one, move more without the ball, and set up teammates for easier shots. That is something that can be learned over a summer of work and Fall practice, perhaps. We still have personnel deficiencies, and team weaknesses, but we have at least proved that we can play tough defense.





Good Post. Defense A-, Shooting A, Offense C+,Stanfurd Meltdown A+
The pattern I see is random motion and passing between 3-4 Cal players outside the three-point arc for the first 15-20 seconds of the possession. Everybody passing or receiving the ball is covered. Then under the pressure of the shot-clock, somebody either hoists up a shot or drives and possibly dishes, but the shooter is generally covered in all cases. I think Cal plays one-on-one basketball because they have no offensive schemes to get a player open to receive a pass and shoot. Here are examples:

1. HoopDreams makes the point on the Colorado game thread that Cal doesn't do a lot (any?) off-ball screening.
2. Opposition defenders can overplay the Cal players and get away with it because nobody ever makes a back-cut (aka "back-door").
3. Cal executes the pick & roll so poorly: the player with the ball doesn't use the screen, the screener (usually Kelly or Theimann) rarely rolls quickly to the hoop so is easily covered, and when they do roll correctly they never get the pass. And when Grant sets the screen, he never rolls but always floats out for a pick and pop so a defender can always just stick with him.

These are coaching issues. If Fox wants to go deep into the shot-clock, the defense has ample time to set up and so he has to give his players ways to get open.
I have been harping on these issues since day 1 of Fox. They have not gotten better because he does not know how to do better. He is incompetent. Cal has hired three incompetent coaches in a row. I hope the next one is better.
sluggo
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HoopDreams said:

three players dribble too much. unfortunately two of them are our PGs
It goes hand in hand with poor screening and bad off ball movement. Someone has to be open to pass to.

Cal does have to distinguish between being short and being on the ball. Cal only has Brown and Bradley who are good on the ball. I think Celestine will get there.
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