Just noticed on Hyder's twitter feed, he is dressed in all red, and no longer lists anything about Cal.

FWIW, he and Bradley go back several years.

looks like a fresno state jersey

calfanz said:

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Just noticed on Hyder's twitter feed, he is dressed in all red, and no longer lists anything about Cal.

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It was looking at the 2021 transfer portal on 247 and Hyder was listed, but listed as transferring from Fresno State. I wasn't sure if this was from last year, or....?

calumnus said:

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calfanz said:

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Just noticed on Hyder's twitter feed, he is dressed in all red, and no longer lists anything about Cal.

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It was looking at the 2021 transfer portal on 247 and Hyder was listed, but listed as transferring from Fresno State. I wasn't sure if this was from last year, or....?

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I remember him transferring from Santa Clara, but maybe he came from Fresno State

Make sense why we are recruiting the DePaul PG then.

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calumnus said:

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calfanz said:

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Just noticed on Hyder's twitter feed, he is dressed in all red, and no longer lists anything about Cal.

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It was looking at the 2021 transfer portal on 247 and Hyder was listed, but listed as transferring from Fresno State. I wasn't sure if this was from last year, or....?

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I remember him transferring from Santa Clara, but maybe he came from Fresno State

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I think you are confusing him with Tahj Eaddy. I wish Cal had gotten Eaddy.

No great loss if Hyder leaves.

Hyder xferred from Fresno St. last year...but I wouldn't be shocked if he also left.

oskidunker said:

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No great loss if Hyder leaves.

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I'm not sure if Fox can pull in a better player to replace him, though.

OaktownBear said:

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oskidunker said:

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No great loss if Hyder leaves.

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1. Given that we have no confirmation he is even thinking about leaving, I would hold off negative assessments of current players until they are warranted.

2. The impact of a loss is relative to what you have left.

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Fair enough.

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HoopDreams said:

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calumnus said:

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calfanz said:

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Just noticed on Hyder's twitter feed, he is dressed in all red, and no longer lists anything about Cal.

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It was looking at the 2021 transfer portal on 247 and Hyder was listed, but listed as transferring from Fresno State. I wasn't sure if this was from last year, or....?

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I remember him transferring from Santa Clara, but maybe he came from Fresno State

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I think you are confusing him with Tahj Eaddy. I wish Cal had gotten Eaddy.

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you're right

Jarred did transfer from Fresno State (not Santa Clara)

I remember looking up Tahj Eaddy's stats vs our game in 2019. He went 0-3, 1 rebound, 0 assists, 1 TO, 2 fouls in 13 minutes.

then he transfers to USC and was a very good player for them

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Just noticed on Hyder's twitter feed, he is dressed in all red, and no longer lists anything about Cal.

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Just a question. Since this would be Hyder's 2nd time transferring, would he be able to transfer again without sitting out a year?

OaktownBear said:

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oskidunker said:

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No great loss if Hyder leaves.

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1. Given that we have no confirmation he is even thinking about leaving, I would hold off negative assessments of current players until they are warranted.

2. The impact of a loss is relative to what you have left.

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Agreed - As of now Jarred Hyder is staying. He was shooting in the gym yesterday with his foot boot on (has a stress fracture in his foot).

4thGenCal said:

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OaktownBear said:

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oskidunker said:

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No great loss if Hyder leaves.

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1. Given that we have no confirmation he is even thinking about leaving, I would hold off negative assessments of current players until they are warranted.

2. The impact of a loss is relative to what you have left.

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Agreed - As of now Jarred Hyder is staying. He was shooting in the gym yesterday with his foot boot on (has a stress fracture in his foot).

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"As of now... ". That's a less ringing endorsement of his returning than you gave for the departing Matt Bradley a few weeks ago.

How are the other returnees feeling about things these days?

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Make sense why we are recruiting the DePaul PG then.

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Another DePaul guard, one who has been here before, is also in the portal:

Thanks, 4thGen...

What was a HUGE off-season for the Bears is now even huger.

We need a point guard.....or greatly improved point guard play.


We need length/an effective big man or vast improvement from Lars and others.

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We need a point guard.....or greatly improved point guard play.


We need length/an effective big man or vast improvement from Lars and others.

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Joel Brown is going to take a forward step and be better this upcoming season. He is an excellent defender, decent ball handler - definitely needs to become more confident and take/make the open shot. He knows what he needs to do and he wants to be great. His motivation is there, I believe he will be improved and really help the team. The area of concern is our interior defense and consistent scoring ability from our bigs. The team needs to be more physical, stronger, and more athletic overall. This season is the make or break for this staff.

4thGenCal said:

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NVBear78 said:

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We need a point guard.....or greatly improved point guard play.


We need length/an effective big man or vast improvement from Lars and others.

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Joel Brown is going to take a forward step and be better this upcoming season. He is an excellent defender, decent ball handler - definitely needs to become more confident and take/make the open shot. He knows what he needs to do and he wants to be great. His motivation is there, I believe he will be improved and really help the team. The area of concern is our interior defense and consistent scoring ability from our bigs. The team needs to be more physical, stronger, and more athletic overall. This season is the make or break for this staff.

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Brown actually shot .387 from Three, second best on the team after Celestine's .414. That they were #6 and #7 on the team in Three Point Attempts either explains their high percentage or points to other issues that if rectified could result in improvement.

Brown's numbers look pretty good except one: his .500 FT%. That is just horrible for your PG, the guy you need to handle the ball at the end if you are going to win close games. Of course, last year his FT% was .400 so he is showing improvement.

4thGenCal said:

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NVBear78 said:

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We need a point guard.....or greatly improved point guard play.


We need length/an effective big man or vast improvement from Lars and others.

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Joel Brown is going to take a forward step and be better this upcoming season. He is an excellent defender, decent ball handler - definitely needs to become more confident and take/make the open shot. He knows what he needs to do and he wants to be great. His motivation is there, I believe he will be improved and really help the team. The area of concern is our interior defense and consistent scoring ability from our bigs. The team needs to be more physical, stronger, and more athletic overall. This season is the make or break for this staff.

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I can live with JB's offensive game (or lack thereof), but he must improve his free-throw shooting to be a legit Div I pg. 50% is a serious liability.

calumnus said:

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4thGenCal said:

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NVBear78 said:

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We need a point guard.....or greatly improved point guard play.


We need length/an effective big man or vast improvement from Lars and others.

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Joel Brown is going to take a forward step and be better this upcoming season. He is an excellent defender, decent ball handler - definitely needs to become more confident and take/make the open shot. He knows what he needs to do and he wants to be great. His motivation is there, I believe he will be improved and really help the team. The area of concern is our interior defense and consistent scoring ability from our bigs. The team needs to be more physical, stronger, and more athletic overall. This season is the make or break for this staff.

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Brown actually shot .387 from Three, second best on the team after Celestine's .414. That they were #6 and #7 on the team in Three Point Attempts either explains their high percentage or points to other issues that if rectified could result in improvement.

Brown's numbers look pretty good except one: his .500 FT%. That is just horrible for your PG, the guy you need to handle the ball at the end if you are going to win close games. Of course, last year his FT% was .400 so he is showing improvement.

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Brown's free-throw shooting pretty much shows his 3pt % (based on a small sample size and only taking wide-open shots) was a fluke. I really wouldn't hang my hat on that .387.

It would be cool if Grant could improve his inside game and his release on his 3's (quicker). Both might be improved by losing 5 pounds and getting leaner/stronger. All the inside players need to work on better hands when receiving passes inside.

calumnus said:

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4thGenCal said:

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NVBear78 said:

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We need a point guard.....or greatly improved point guard play.


We need length/an effective big man or vast improvement from Lars and others.

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Joel Brown is going to take a forward step and be better this upcoming season. He is an excellent defender, decent ball handler - definitely needs to become more confident and take/make the open shot. He knows what he needs to do and he wants to be great. His motivation is there, I believe he will be improved and really help the team. The area of concern is our interior defense and consistent scoring ability from our bigs. The team needs to be more physical, stronger, and more athletic overall. This season is the make or break for this staff.

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Brown actually shot .387 from Three, second best on the team after Celestine's .414. That they were #6 and #7 on the team in Three Point Attempts either explains their high percentage or points to other issues that if rectified could result in improvement.

Brown's numbers look pretty good except one: his .500 FT%. That is just horrible for your PG, the guy you need to handle the ball at the end if you are going to win close games. Of course, last year his FT% was .400 so he is showing improvement.

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As to numbers, I am much more concerned about Brown's assists. At 3 per game, they are barely adequate, but much of that is due to the fact that he barely plays half a game on average. Because Cal has very few good players, the point guard needs to be outstanding. He would need to get almost double his present number of assists, say 5-6 assists per game, playing 30-35 minutes. Another thing that keeps his assists low, is that his teammates do not move much without the ball to get open. That may be on Fox or on them, probably some on both.

And I don't want to hear the argument that assists are not important, or that the pass that initiates a play is just as important, or some variation of that. Jason Kidd was our best point guard ever. Does anyone remember any passes of his that initiated a play? There were many, but they don't stick in our minds. What I remember was his assists. He averaged 9 assists per game at Cal, and 10 assists/per 40 minutes. The game hasn't changed that much that Joel Brown should not be looking to emulate Jason Kidd's numbers. Jason was barely average shooting a basketball, threes or FTs. It was his assists that mattered, and his defense, not his shooting. Cal is not going to be competitive unless they get a point who can get us 5-6 assists a game, minimum.

Brown's assist to turnover ratio is positive, 1.66, but frankly, that needs to be better. He makes a few too many turnovers.

As to the visual test, Brown needs to learn when and how to drive the lane. He way too often drives into double and triple teams, and gets tied up or loses the ball, without getting a shot off, or without making a pass, either for an assist, or a pass to get out of the trap. And he plays with one speed, which is very fast. He needs to develop the ability to play at a bit slower speeds and then speed up to blow by the defender at just the right moment. And he needs to see the floor better. Hopefully, his third year will be a breakout year for him.

4thGenCal said:

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Big C said:

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4thGenCal said:

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OaktownBear said:

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oskidunker said:

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No great loss if Hyder leaves.

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1. Given that we have no confirmation he is even thinking about leaving, I would hold off negative assessments of current players until they are warranted.

2. The impact of a loss is relative to what you have left.

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Agreed - As of now Jarred Hyder is staying. He was shooting in the gym yesterday with his foot boot on (has a stress fracture in his foot).

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"As of now... ". That's a less ringing endorsement of his returning than you gave for the departing Matt Bradley a few weeks ago.

How are the other returnees feeling about things these days?

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Jarred is academically oriented and feels he can be productive for the team. Its all about being healthy and thus being able to train hard over the summer. The other returnees are mixed (Jarred and Kelly are bummed as they are very close to Matt) while others see this as a need for them to up their game, as more scoring will need to be spread around. The feeling is that they have a lot to prove as these past 2 seasons have been a wake up call for all of the returnees. They literally had not experienced losing anywhere close to this (all came from successful HS /AAU backgrounds). They feel Celestine will shine and develop, Brown will up his scoring, and Grant is going to be much stronger with summer training. However the big if is whether Kelly can improve his cardio and drop the necessary 10-12 lbs. a healthy Jarred and Lars can give more productive minutes/defend the interior. The incoming freshmen will bring depth and athleticism, but likely will be in supporting roles.

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Grant doesn't need to get stronger, he needs to get quicker and learn to shoot off the dribble.. My fear is that Kuany is going to languish on the bench as Grant tries to elevate is game from average to average+. As far as Kelly and cardio, "Andre Kelly, please report to the Strawberry Canyon Fire Trail . . . "

SFCityBear said:

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calumnus said:

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4thGenCal said:

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NVBear78 said:

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We need a point guard.....or greatly improved point guard play.


We need length/an effective big man or vast improvement from Lars and others.

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Joel Brown is going to take a forward step and be better this upcoming season. He is an excellent defender, decent ball handler - definitely needs to become more confident and take/make the open shot. He knows what he needs to do and he wants to be great. His motivation is there, I believe he will be improved and really help the team. The area of concern is our interior defense and consistent scoring ability from our bigs. The team needs to be more physical, stronger, and more athletic overall. This season is the make or break for this staff.

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Brown actually shot .387 from Three, second best on the team after Celestine's .414. That they were #6 and #7 on the team in Three Point Attempts either explains their high percentage or points to other issues that if rectified could result in improvement.

Brown's numbers look pretty good except one: his .500 FT%. That is just horrible for your PG, the guy you need to handle the ball at the end if you are going to win close games. Of course, last year his FT% was .400 so he is showing improvement.

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As to numbers, I am much more concerned about Brown's assists. At 3 per game, they are barely adequate, but much of that is due to the fact that he barely plays half a game on average. Because Cal has very few good players, the point guard needs to be outstanding. He would need to get almost double his present number of assists, say 5-6 assists per game, playing 30-35 minutes. Another thing that keeps his assists low, is that his teammates do not move much without the ball to get open. That may be on Fox or on them, probably some on both.

And I don't want to hear the argument that assists are not important, or that the pass that initiates a play is just as important, or some variation of that. Jason Kidd was our best point guard ever. Does anyone remember any passes of his that initiated a play? There were many, but they don't stick in our minds. What I remember was his assists. He averaged 9 assists per game at Cal, and 10 assists/per 40 minutes. The game hasn't changed that much that Joel Brown should not be looking to emulate Jason Kidd's numbers. Jason was barely average shooting a basketball, threes or FTs. It was his assists that mattered, and his defense, not his shooting. Cal is not going to be competitive unless they get a point who can get us 5-6 assists a game, minimum.

Brown's assist to turnover ratio is positive, 1.66, but frankly, that needs to be better. He makes a few too many turnovers.

As to the visual test, Brown needs to learn when and how to drive the lane. He way too often drives into double and triple teams, and gets tied up or loses the ball, without getting a shot off, or without making a pass, either for an assist, or a pass to get out of the trap. And he plays with one speed, which is very fast. He needs to develop the ability to play at a bit slower speeds and then speed up to blow by the defender at just the right moment. And he needs to see the floor better. Hopefully, his third year will be a breakout year for him.

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The last two years our offense has been pretty much pass it around and then get it to Bradley and let him create. Yes mixed in with "force it into Lars" or Brown driving into traffic. Next year we will need to generate points out of our offense and that should result in more assists, though not necessarily from our PG.

HearstMining said:

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4thGenCal said:

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Big C said:

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4thGenCal said:

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OaktownBear said:

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oskidunker said:

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No great loss if Hyder leaves.

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1. Given that we have no confirmation he is even thinking about leaving, I would hold off negative assessments of current players until they are warranted.

2. The impact of a loss is relative to what you have left.

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Agreed - As of now Jarred Hyder is staying. He was shooting in the gym yesterday with his foot boot on (has a stress fracture in his foot).

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"As of now... ". That's a less ringing endorsement of his returning than you gave for the departing Matt Bradley a few weeks ago.

How are the other returnees feeling about things these days?

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Jarred is academically oriented and feels he can be productive for the team. Its all about being healthy and thus being able to train hard over the summer. The other returnees are mixed (Jarred and Kelly are bummed as they are very close to Matt) while others see this as a need for them to up their game, as more scoring will need to be spread around. The feeling is that they have a lot to prove as these past 2 seasons have been a wake up call for all of the returnees. They literally had not experienced losing anywhere close to this (all came from successful HS /AAU backgrounds). They feel Celestine will shine and develop, Brown will up his scoring, and Grant is going to be much stronger with summer training. However the big if is whether Kelly can improve his cardio and drop the necessary 10-12 lbs. a healthy Jarred and Lars can give more productive minutes/defend the interior. The incoming freshmen will bring depth and athleticism, but likely will be in supporting roles.

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Grant doesn't need to get stronger, he needs to get quicker and learn to shoot off the dribble.. My fear is that Kuany is going to languish on the bench as Grant tries to elevate is game from average to average+. As far as Kelly and cardio, "Andre Kelly, please report to the Strawberry Canyon Fire Trail . . . "

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Would like to see Grant be able to reliably execute a pick and roll or a pick and pop. Would have been nice to see that with Bradley but it would be good with Celestine too.

SFCityBear said:

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calumnus said:

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4thGenCal said:

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NVBear78 said:

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We need a point guard.....or greatly improved point guard play.


We need length/an effective big man or vast improvement from Lars and others.

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Joel Brown is going to take a forward step and be better this upcoming season. He is an excellent defender, decent ball handler - definitely needs to become more confident and take/make the open shot. He knows what he needs to do and he wants to be great. His motivation is there, I believe he will be improved and really help the team. The area of concern is our interior defense and consistent scoring ability from our bigs. The team needs to be more physical, stronger, and more athletic overall. This season is the make or break for this staff.

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Brown actually shot .387 from Three, second best on the team after Celestine's .414. That they were #6 and #7 on the team in Three Point Attempts either explains their high percentage or points to other issues that if rectified could result in improvement.

Brown's numbers look pretty good except one: his .500 FT%. That is just horrible for your PG, the guy you need to handle the ball at the end if you are going to win close games. Of course, last year his FT% was .400 so he is showing improvement.

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As to numbers, I am much more concerned about Brown's assists. At 3 per game, they are barely adequate, but much of that is due to the fact that he barely plays half a game on average. Because Cal has very few good players, the point guard needs to be outstanding. He would need to get almost double his present number of assists, say 5-6 assists per game, playing 30-35 minutes. Another thing that keeps his assists low, is that his teammates do not move much without the ball to get open. That may be on Fox or on them, probably some on both.

And I don't want to hear the argument that assists are not important, or that the pass that initiates a play is just as important, or some variation of that. Jason Kidd was our best point guard ever. Does anyone remember any passes of his that initiated a play? There were many, but they don't stick in our minds. What I remember was his assists. He averaged 9 assists per game at Cal, and 10 assists/per 40 minutes. The game hasn't changed that much that Joel Brown should not be looking to emulate Jason Kidd's numbers. Jason was barely average shooting a basketball, threes or FTs. It was his assists that mattered, and his defense, not his shooting. Cal is not going to be competitive unless they get a point who can get us 5-6 assists a game, minimum.

Brown's assist to turnover ratio is positive, 1.66, but frankly, that needs to be better. He makes a few too many turnovers.

As to the visual test, Brown needs to learn when and how to drive the lane. He way too often drives into double and triple teams, and gets tied up or loses the ball, without getting a shot off, or without making a pass, either for an assist, or a pass to get out of the trap. And he plays with one speed, which is very fast. He needs to develop the ability to play at a bit slower speeds and then speed up to blow by the defender at just the right moment. And he needs to see the floor better. Hopefully, his third year will be a breakout year for him.

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I can get Brown closer to Kidd's assist numbers easy peasy. Give him Lamond Murray and Al Grigsby and company to pass it to. Brown is no Kidd, but in fairness an important part of the assist is the scoring. Don't see how he can get 6-7-8 assists if he just has a few moderately adequate scorers. Improvement by Celestine should help. Losing Bradley should give back any improvement and then some. I think Brown gets like 4 assists and that is not a comment on Brown.

calumnus said:

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HearstMining said:

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4thGenCal said:

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Big C said:

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4thGenCal said:

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OaktownBear said:

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oskidunker said:

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No great loss if Hyder leaves.

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1. Given that we have no confirmation he is even thinking about leaving, I would hold off negative assessments of current players until they are warranted.

2. The impact of a loss is relative to what you have left.

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Agreed - As of now Jarred Hyder is staying. He was shooting in the gym yesterday with his foot boot on (has a stress fracture in his foot).

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"As of now... ". That's a less ringing endorsement of his returning than you gave for the departing Matt Bradley a few weeks ago.

How are the other returnees feeling about things these days?

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Jarred is academically oriented and feels he can be productive for the team. Its all about being healthy and thus being able to train hard over the summer. The other returnees are mixed (Jarred and Kelly are bummed as they are very close to Matt) while others see this as a need for them to up their game, as more scoring will need to be spread around. The feeling is that they have a lot to prove as these past 2 seasons have been a wake up call for all of the returnees. They literally had not experienced losing anywhere close to this (all came from successful HS /AAU backgrounds). They feel Celestine will shine and develop, Brown will up his scoring, and Grant is going to be much stronger with summer training. However the big if is whether Kelly can improve his cardio and drop the necessary 10-12 lbs. a healthy Jarred and Lars can give more productive minutes/defend the interior. The incoming freshmen will bring depth and athleticism, but likely will be in supporting roles.

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Grant doesn't need to get stronger, he needs to get quicker and learn to shoot off the dribble.. My fear is that Kuany is going to languish on the bench as Grant tries to elevate is game from average to average+. As far as Kelly and cardio, "Andre Kelly, please report to the Strawberry Canyon Fire Trail . . . "

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Would like to see Grant be able to reliably execute a pick and roll or a pick and pop. Would have been nice to see that with Bradley but it would be good with Celestine too.

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Grant was pretty much the same player this year as last, slightly improved. I think Grant is what he is at this point.

HearstMining said:

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4thGenCal said:

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Big C said:

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4thGenCal said:

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OaktownBear said:

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oskidunker said:

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No great loss if Hyder leaves.

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1. Given that we have no confirmation he is even thinking about leaving, I would hold off negative assessments of current players until they are warranted.

2. The impact of a loss is relative to what you have left.

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Agreed - As of now Jarred Hyder is staying. He was shooting in the gym yesterday with his foot boot on (has a stress fracture in his foot).

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"As of now... ". That's a less ringing endorsement of his returning than you gave for the departing Matt Bradley a few weeks ago.

How are the other returnees feeling about things these days?

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Jarred is academically oriented and feels he can be productive for the team. Its all about being healthy and thus being able to train hard over the summer. The other returnees are mixed (Jarred and Kelly are bummed as they are very close to Matt) while others see this as a need for them to up their game, as more scoring will need to be spread around. The feeling is that they have a lot to prove as these past 2 seasons have been a wake up call for all of the returnees. They literally had not experienced losing anywhere close to this (all came from successful HS /AAU backgrounds). They feel Celestine will shine and develop, Brown will up his scoring, and Grant is going to be much stronger with summer training. However the big if is whether Kelly can improve his cardio and drop the necessary 10-12 lbs. a healthy Jarred and Lars can give more productive minutes/defend the interior. The incoming freshmen will bring depth and athleticism, but likely will be in supporting roles.

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Grant doesn't need to get stronger, he needs to get quicker and learn to shoot off the dribble.. My fear is that Kuany is going to languish on the bench as Grant tries to elevate is game from average to average+. As far as Kelly and cardio, "Andre Kelly, please report to the Strawberry Canyon Fire Trail . . . "

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Kelly has ABSOLUTELY made big strides on his S & C over the past two years. Yes, if he can get to that next level. Make that "senior push"...