Big C said:

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Civil Bear said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Big C said:

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Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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BearSD said:

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Let's all take the high road and hope that UW now enjoys the same level of success that WJ brought to Cal.

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We were actually pretty successful the two years with him as an assistant.

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Wyking was a good Assistant and is a good guy. He wasn't prepared to hit the ground running that first year as HC. Best of luck to him at UW, but not against us.

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bearister replied, "Yeah, I'm sure Theo would agree with all of that... especially the good guy part."

Okay, I may have spoken too soon. Frankly, I was influenced by a recent tweet of EricBear (Eric McDonough), in which he described Wyking as a really good dude.

I just read Shocky's latest, which goes 180 degrees counter to the assertion in my above post. Everybody go read what shocky wrote, while it is still there.

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Shocky has been proven wrong on many assertions including direct things about coaching searches. No idea about Wyking, but there is zero reason to take anything Shocky says seriously - something I guess people have forgotten in his absence. Eric, on the other hand usually doesn't say things he can't vouch for and doesn't say things to make himself look important.

Shocky also posted that a program run by Mark Fox offered a recruit $200K without any evidence. No one confuses me for Mark Fox's biggest fan, but making those accusations on a fan board for the guy's current employer is bullshyte.

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^^THIS^^

I haven't agreed with OTB on much lately but he is spot on here. Folks need to take anything the shockster says with a truckload of salt.

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Oh absolutely. I mean, the "inside info" we hear about Cal Football and Basketball... it ALL has to be looked at with a critical eye. You gather in multiple sources, which have varying degrees of credibility, then try and piece together the truth.

I happen to like Shocky's posts because he brings the enthusiasm, which is sorely lacking around the program, but I don't necessarily believe every last thing he says. I will say that his version of what went down with Theo Robertson does tend to align with the more vague versions I have gotten from other sources. I tend to think most of Shocky's info is good. Grain of salt? Always.

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tsubamoto2001 said:

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Stanford Jonah said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Fyght4Cal said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Fyght4Cal said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Shocky has been proven wrong on many assertions including direct things about coaching searches. No idea about Wyking, but there is zero reason to take anything Shocky says seriously - something I guess people have forgotten in his absence. Eric, on the other hand usually doesn't say things he can't vouch for and doesn't say things to make himself look important.

Shocky also posted that a program run by Mark Fox offered a recruit $200K without any evidence. No one confuses me for Mark Fox's biggest fan, but making those accusations on a fan board for the guy's current employer is bullshyte.

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With all due respect sir, you've been quite the crankypants lately. So I sincerely ask the following question. Are you ok?

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So then you accept his assertion that a program run by Mark Fox tried to pay a recruit $200K?

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I really don't give a **** about all this who-shot-John. You are a poster whose views I've enjoyed reading over the years. But in thread after thread, lately, you've been downright disagreeable. So, I ask again, are you ok?

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This is not my battle. I don't really care about Jones and I doubt he cares what any of us think any more. If you guys want to believe Shocks, it is not my concern. Okay by me.

If it makes you feel better to attack me personally, I can't stop you.

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Shocky is here because this is the only board where people don't despise him. He's persona non grata with Cal admin (not that they are arbiters of anything, but everyone knows he's the loony idiot of the fanbase).

If you like shocky, you like Fake News.

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BearGreg said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Fyght4Cal said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Big C said:

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Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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BearSD said:

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Let's all take the high road and hope that UW now enjoys the same level of success that WJ brought to Cal.

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We were actually pretty successful the two years with him as an assistant.

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Wyking was a good Assistant and is a good guy. He wasn't prepared to hit the ground running that first year as HC. Best of luck to him at UW, but not against us.

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bearister replied, "Yeah, I'm sure Theo would agree with all of that... especially the good guy part."

Okay, I may have spoken too soon. Frankly, I was influenced by a recent tweet of EricBear (Eric McDonough), in which he described Wyking as a really good dude.

I just read Shocky's latest, which goes 180 degrees counter to the assertion in my above post. Everybody go read what shocky wrote, while it is still there.

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Shocky has been proven wrong on many assertions including direct things about coaching searches. No idea about Wyking, but there is zero reason to take anything Shocky says seriously - something I guess people have forgotten in his absence. Eric, on the other hand usually doesn't say things he can't vouch for and doesn't say things to make himself look important.

Shocky also posted that a program run by Mark Fox offered a recruit $200K without any evidence. No one confuses me for Mark Fox's biggest fan, but making those accusations on a fan board for the guy's current employer is bullshyte.

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With all due respect sir, you've been quite the crankypants lately. So I sincerely ask the following question. Are you ok?

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So then you accept his assertion that a program run by Mark Fox tried to pay a recruit $200K?

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I will bet 7 figures that Mark Fox was never involved in any scheme to pay a player he coached nor was he aware of any effort by a booster or anyone else to do so. Mark Fox may be many things but he's as squeeky clean as it comes. To imply otherwise, does him a great disservice.

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LOL. Some of the mods on here defended Wyking till the end, even when it was clear he was a jerk...and even took his side in the whole Theo episode. Shocky's info sounds way more accurate than any of the stuff the mods were letting out (mostly to protect their access to the program). Shocky was an actual booster to Cal Hoops for awhile. Yes, he's unfiltered most of the time, which you either like or not, but he provides value.

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Tsubamoto - I'm confused about what in particular you are referencing? Truth be told, I spent many hours with Jim Knowlton urging him to make a change two years ago. What we did here is tell the complete truth as we understood it, not simply the one that people wanted to hear. That Wyking was over his head and struggling and that he was a good person with good intentions albeit like all of us flawed. The Theo situation is not as one-sided as we may want it to be as all of us are big fans of his. Remember that Wyking did not hire Theo, he was forced to have him on his staff by Mike Williams. Not sure how that situation could have been made any worse for those that have been in similar positions either as the hiring manager or the person being hired.

While we are always respectful of the coaches and administrators and are grateful for the access they give us, first and foremost we are Cal fans and Cal boosters. We donate all of the profit of this website to Cal athletics and I've personally been an active donor for over 20 years.

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calumnus said:

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BearGreg said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Fyght4Cal said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Big C said:

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Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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BearSD said:

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Let's all take the high road and hope that UW now enjoys the same level of success that WJ brought to Cal.

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We were actually pretty successful the two years with him as an assistant.

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Wyking was a good Assistant and is a good guy. He wasn't prepared to hit the ground running that first year as HC. Best of luck to him at UW, but not against us.

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bearister replied, "Yeah, I'm sure Theo would agree with all of that... especially the good guy part."

Okay, I may have spoken too soon. Frankly, I was influenced by a recent tweet of EricBear (Eric McDonough), in which he described Wyking as a really good dude.

I just read Shocky's latest, which goes 180 degrees counter to the assertion in my above post. Everybody go read what shocky wrote, while it is still there.

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Shocky has been proven wrong on many assertions including direct things about coaching searches. No idea about Wyking, but there is zero reason to take anything Shocky says seriously - something I guess people have forgotten in his absence. Eric, on the other hand usually doesn't say things he can't vouch for and doesn't say things to make himself look important.

Shocky also posted that a program run by Mark Fox offered a recruit $200K without any evidence. No one confuses me for Mark Fox's biggest fan, but making those accusations on a fan board for the guy's current employer is bullshyte.

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With all due respect sir, you've been quite the crankypants lately. So I sincerely ask the following question. Are you ok?

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So then you accept his assertion that a program run by Mark Fox tried to pay a recruit $200K?

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I will bet 7 figures that Mark Fox was never involved in any scheme to pay a player he coached nor was he aware of any effort by a booster or anyone else to do so. Mark Fox may be many things but he's as squeeky clean as it comes. To imply otherwise, does him a great disservice.

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I believe this. However, I knew John Wooden and he was a saint, but that did not preclude UCLA boosters from doing what boosters do.

SEC boosters, definitely including Georgia, are infamous. I posted an article about a Georgia bagman that explains how they work. That is why many people viewed Fox's sanctimoniousness while coaching there as hypocritical.

Shocky, what are your thoughts on this?

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BearGreg said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Fyght4Cal said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Big C said:

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Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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BearSD said:

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Let's all take the high road and hope that UW now enjoys the same level of success that WJ brought to Cal.

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We were actually pretty successful the two years with him as an assistant.

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Wyking was a good Assistant and is a good guy. He wasn't prepared to hit the ground running that first year as HC. Best of luck to him at UW, but not against us.

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bearister replied, "Yeah, I'm sure Theo would agree with all of that... especially the good guy part."

Okay, I may have spoken too soon. Frankly, I was influenced by a recent tweet of EricBear (Eric McDonough), in which he described Wyking as a really good dude.

I just read Shocky's latest, which goes 180 degrees counter to the assertion in my above post. Everybody go read what shocky wrote, while it is still there.

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Shocky has been proven wrong on many assertions including direct things about coaching searches. No idea about Wyking, but there is zero reason to take anything Shocky says seriously - something I guess people have forgotten in his absence. Eric, on the other hand usually doesn't say things he can't vouch for and doesn't say things to make himself look important.

Shocky also posted that a program run by Mark Fox offered a recruit $200K without any evidence. No one confuses me for Mark Fox's biggest fan, but making those accusations on a fan board for the guy's current employer is bullshyte.

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With all due respect sir, you've been quite the crankypants lately. So I sincerely ask the following question. Are you ok?

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So then you accept his assertion that a program run by Mark Fox tried to pay a recruit $200K?

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I will bet 7 figures that Mark Fox was never involved in any scheme to pay a player he coached nor was he aware of any effort by a booster or anyone else to do so. Mark Fox may be many things but he's as squeeky clean as it comes. To imply otherwise, does him a great disservice.

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OaktownBear said:

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BearGreg said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Fyght4Cal said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Big C said:

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Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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BearSD said:

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Let's all take the high road and hope that UW now enjoys the same level of success that WJ brought to Cal.

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We were actually pretty successful the two years with him as an assistant.

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Wyking was a good Assistant and is a good guy. He wasn't prepared to hit the ground running that first year as HC. Best of luck to him at UW, but not against us.

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bearister replied, "Yeah, I'm sure Theo would agree with all of that... especially the good guy part."

Okay, I may have spoken too soon. Frankly, I was influenced by a recent tweet of EricBear (Eric McDonough), in which he described Wyking as a really good dude.

I just read Shocky's latest, which goes 180 degrees counter to the assertion in my above post. Everybody go read what shocky wrote, while it is still there.

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Shocky has been proven wrong on many assertions including direct things about coaching searches. No idea about Wyking, but there is zero reason to take anything Shocky says seriously - something I guess people have forgotten in his absence. Eric, on the other hand usually doesn't say things he can't vouch for and doesn't say things to make himself look important.

Shocky also posted that a program run by Mark Fox offered a recruit $200K without any evidence. No one confuses me for Mark Fox's biggest fan, but making those accusations on a fan board for the guy's current employer is bullshyte.

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With all due respect sir, you've been quite the crankypants lately. So I sincerely ask the following question. Are you ok?

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So then you accept his assertion that a program run by Mark Fox tried to pay a recruit $200K?

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I will bet 7 figures that Mark Fox was never involved in any scheme to pay a player he coached nor was he aware of any effort by a booster or anyone else to do so. Mark Fox may be many things but he's as squeeky clean as it comes. To imply otherwise, does him a great disservice.

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that was my point. I have been very critical of Fox, but IMO, you do not make that accusation without evidence. I don't see him as that type of coach.

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OaktownBear said:

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BearGreg said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Fyght4Cal said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Big C said:

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Big C said:

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calumnus said:

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BearSD said:

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Let's all take the high road and hope that UW now enjoys the same level of success that WJ brought to Cal.

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We were actually pretty successful the two years with him as an assistant.

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Wyking was a good Assistant and is a good guy. He wasn't prepared to hit the ground running that first year as HC. Best of luck to him at UW, but not against us.

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bearister replied, "Yeah, I'm sure Theo would agree with all of that... especially the good guy part."

Okay, I may have spoken too soon. Frankly, I was influenced by a recent tweet of EricBear (Eric McDonough), in which he described Wyking as a really good dude.

I just read Shocky's latest, which goes 180 degrees counter to the assertion in my above post. Everybody go read what shocky wrote, while it is still there.

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Shocky has been proven wrong on many assertions including direct things about coaching searches. No idea about Wyking, but there is zero reason to take anything Shocky says seriously - something I guess people have forgotten in his absence. Eric, on the other hand usually doesn't say things he can't vouch for and doesn't say things to make himself look important.

Shocky also posted that a program run by Mark Fox offered a recruit $200K without any evidence. No one confuses me for Mark Fox's biggest fan, but making those accusations on a fan board for the guy's current employer is bullshyte.

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With all due respect sir, you've been quite the crankypants lately. So I sincerely ask the following question. Are you ok?

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So then you accept his assertion that a program run by Mark Fox tried to pay a recruit $200K?

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I will bet 7 figures that Mark Fox was never involved in any scheme to pay a player he coached nor was he aware of any effort by a booster or anyone else to do so. Mark Fox may be many things but he's as squeeky clean as it comes. To imply otherwise, does him a great disservice.

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that was my point. I have been very critical of Fox, but IMO, you do not make that accusation without evidence. I don't see him as that type of coach.

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