if the overtime league is successful, I can see new leagues forming in the US (or overtime expanding)sluggo said:
This is only sort of the European model. In Europe players can join clubs very young and don't cash in until they sign their first professional contract, maybe when they are 16. It is the same there for basketball and soccer.
American soccer already follows the European model. While there is high school and college soccer here, the best male players don't play college and many don't play high school. The best female players usually do still play in college.
I don't think European players are tied to their clubs until they sign a professional contract. I know the best clubs weed out their lesser prospects. There are better and worse clubs in a region so players find their level. Sometimes players will start with a club at say age 8 and continue with them until they reach the highest level. I think that ties fans to clubs more strongly than the randomness of the American drafting system as there is much more of local boy makes good. There is no pretense of competitive balance there. The clubs with the most money almost always win.HoopDreams said:if the overtime league is successful, I can see new leagues forming in the US (or overtime expanding)sluggo said:
This is only sort of the European model. In Europe players can join clubs very young and don't cash in until they sign their first professional contract, maybe when they are 16. It is the same there for basketball and soccer.
American soccer already follows the European model. While there is high school and college soccer here, the best male players don't play college and many don't play high school. The best female players usually do still play in college.
the AAU club teams sound similar to the under 16 Euro leagues in that they start very young in the US, and the players aren't paid
I think the difference is Europe under 16 clubs are tied to the same club for 16+ if I understand how they work
when I talk to my European colleagues they say college sports in the EU are nothing like in the US. They equate the EU university teams as more like our college club teams, or even intramural teams
thanks for the info.sluggo said:I don't think European players are tied to their clubs until they sign a professional contract. I know the best clubs weed out their lesser prospects. There are better and worse clubs in a region so players find their level. Sometimes players will start with a club at say age 8 and continue with them until they reach the highest level. I think that ties fans to clubs more strongly than the randomness of the American drafting system as there is much more of local boy makes good. There is no pretense of competitive balance there. The clubs with the most money almost always win.HoopDreams said:if the overtime league is successful, I can see new leagues forming in the US (or overtime expanding)sluggo said:
This is only sort of the European model. In Europe players can join clubs very young and don't cash in until they sign their first professional contract, maybe when they are 16. It is the same there for basketball and soccer.
American soccer already follows the European model. While there is high school and college soccer here, the best male players don't play college and many don't play high school. The best female players usually do still play in college.
the AAU club teams sound similar to the under 16 Euro leagues in that they start very young in the US, and the players aren't paid
I think the difference is Europe under 16 clubs are tied to the same club for 16+ if I understand how they work
when I talk to my European colleagues they say college sports in the EU are nothing like in the US. They equate the EU university teams as more like our college club teams, or even intramural teams
But I generally agree with what you wrote.
The Europe basketball model works a bit in Europe because there is no NBA. The college model works in the US because it gives fans a reason to care about not-yet-ready-for-prime-time athletes competing. If the US goes the Euro model it will be about as popular as minor league and collegiate baseball.HoopDreams said:if the overtime league is successful, I can see new leagues forming in the US (or overtime expanding)sluggo said:
This is only sort of the European model. In Europe players can join clubs very young and don't cash in until they sign their first professional contract, maybe when they are 16. It is the same there for basketball and soccer.
American soccer already follows the European model. While there is high school and college soccer here, the best male players don't play college and many don't play high school. The best female players usually do still play in college.
the AAU club teams sound similar to the under 16 Euro leagues in that they start very young in the US, and the players aren't paid
I think the difference is Europe under 16 clubs are tied to the same club for 16+ if I understand how they work
when I talk to my European colleagues they say college sports in the EU are nothing like in the US. They equate the EU university teams as more like our college club teams, or even intramural teams
Civil Bear said:The Europe basketball model works a bit in Europe because there is no NBA. The college model works in the US because it gives fans a reason to care about not-yet-ready-for-prime-time athletes competing. If the US goes the Euro model it will be about as popular as minor league and collegiate baseball.HoopDreams said:if the overtime league is successful, I can see new leagues forming in the US (or overtime expanding)sluggo said:
This is only sort of the European model. In Europe players can join clubs very young and don't cash in until they sign their first professional contract, maybe when they are 16. It is the same there for basketball and soccer.
American soccer already follows the European model. While there is high school and college soccer here, the best male players don't play college and many don't play high school. The best female players usually do still play in college.
the AAU club teams sound similar to the under 16 Euro leagues in that they start very young in the US, and the players aren't paid
I think the difference is Europe under 16 clubs are tied to the same club for 16+ if I understand how they work
when I talk to my European colleagues they say college sports in the EU are nothing like in the US. They equate the EU university teams as more like our college club teams, or even intramural teams
I know more about European soccer than basketball but think they work the same way. In Europe they have something called training compensation. So if a club trains a player say from 10-15 and they leave the club when they sign a professional contract, the signing club has to pay the training club for their investment in the player. I believe, but am not sure, that training compensation is what subsidizes player development. That and getting first dibs on signing players who are later sold as professionals. In European sports there is little in the way of trading players, although it happens. Rather bigger clubs buy the contracts of signed players from smaller clubs. So if FC Barcelona, whether basketball or soccer (both are huge) see a player it likes at a smaller club, they buy the player's contract for a fee.HoopDreams said:
Agree, no one will watch overtime, except for overtime's social media followers and all their knock offs
Not sure that's much of a business model for them to fund the league
Sluggo does Euro club basketball ticket sales and sponsorships generate enough revenue to support the euro HS leagues?
My glimpses at those games show as many fans as well . a high school game
interesting. sounds like a completely different system ...sluggo said:I know more about European soccer than basketball but think they work the same way. In Europe they have something called training compensation. So if a club trains a player say from 10-15 and they leave the club when they sign a professional contract, the signing club has to pay the training club for their investment in the player. I believe, but am not sure, that training compensation is what subsidizes player development. That and getting first dibs on signing players who are later sold as professionals. In European sports there is little in the way of trading players, although it happens. Rather bigger clubs buy the contracts of signed players from smaller clubs. So if FC Barcelona, whether basketball or soccer (both are huge) see a player it likes at a smaller club, they buy the player's contract for a fee.HoopDreams said:
Agree, no one will watch overtime, except for overtime's social media followers and all their knock offs
Not sure that's much of a business model for them to fund the league
Sluggo does Euro club basketball ticket sales and sponsorships generate enough revenue to support the euro HS leagues?
My glimpses at those games show as many fans as well . a high school game
While the system is different, in European basketball real money is not paid until the player is ready to play in the top league. The players you know from the NBA were top level pros at 16 or younger. It is right to be skeptical of paying so much for players that are neither playing at the top level in the NBA or for colleges that have huge fanbases.HoopDreams said:interesting. sounds like a completely different system ...sluggo said:I know more about European soccer than basketball but think they work the same way. In Europe they have something called training compensation. So if a club trains a player say from 10-15 and they leave the club when they sign a professional contract, the signing club has to pay the training club for their investment in the player. I believe, but am not sure, that training compensation is what subsidizes player development. That and getting first dibs on signing players who are later sold as professionals. In European sports there is little in the way of trading players, although it happens. Rather bigger clubs buy the contracts of signed players from smaller clubs. So if FC Barcelona, whether basketball or soccer (both are huge) see a player it likes at a smaller club, they buy the player's contract for a fee.HoopDreams said:
Agree, no one will watch overtime, except for overtime's social media followers and all their knock offs
Not sure that's much of a business model for them to fund the league
Sluggo does Euro club basketball ticket sales and sponsorships generate enough revenue to support the euro HS leagues?
My glimpses at those games show as many fans as well . a high school game
I imagine overtime's approach is almost 100% based on social media and sponsorships, but it will be interesting to see
