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I don't follow Cal basketball, really any basketball, but what is going on suddenly? We (Fox?) are turning the corner on a decent season, Wilcox turns down Oregon, SH of San Francisco ( my HS) wins a state football title??!! There's some alternate universe sh..stuff going on here.

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dimitrig said:

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Fox has to be fired unless he can bring in some NBA-level talent and SOON!

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calumnus said:

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dimitrig said:

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Fox has to be fired unless he can bring in some NBA-level talent and SOON!

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Borderline NBA is more than enough.

It is very difficult to field a top 100 team, much less a Top 25 team, without any top 100 recruits. Most years Monty had two or three. Braun sometimes had 4 or 5. This is first year I know of (basically since there have been rankings) that Cal does not have a single Top 100 recruit on the roster. I do like the guys Fox is getting, especially in these more recent classes, but I always like and root for our players.

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ducky23 said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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I don't follow Cal basketball, really any basketball, but what is going on suddenly? We (Fox?) are turning the corner on a decent season, Wilcox turns down Oregon, SH of San Francisco ( my HS) wins a state football title??!! There's some alternate universe sh..stuff going on here.

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Unfortunately we may have been better off in the long run if Wilcox had left and if fox had lost every single game this season

I think Wilcox is more or less fine cause his recruiting is more or less fine.

But the ceiling on fox is extremely low simply because he cannot recruit upper end talent. I have no doubt he can turn this program into a perennial NIT team. But is that the goal?

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bearister said:

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When Andre Kelly told Walton in the post game interview that Fox has the team over for BBQ's and Thanksgiving dinner at his house, it made me feel different about the kind of guy the coach is.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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I don't follow Cal basketball, really any basketball, but what is going on suddenly? We (Fox?) are turning the corner on a decent season, Wilcox turns down Oregon, SH of San Francisco ( my HS) wins a state football title??!! There's some alternate universe sh..stuff going on here.

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pierrezo said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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I don't follow Cal basketball, really any basketball, but what is going on suddenly? We (Fox?) are turning the corner on a decent season, Wilcox turns down Oregon, SH of San Francisco ( my HS) wins a state football title??!! There's some alternate universe sh..stuff going on here.

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I thought SH(C) was my high school!

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82gradDLSdad said:

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I don't follow Cal basketball, really any basketball, but what is going on suddenly? We (Fox?) are turning the corner on a decent season, Wilcox turns down Oregon, SH of San Francisco ( my HS) wins a state football title??!! There's some alternate universe sh..stuff going on here.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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pierrezo said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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I don't follow Cal basketball, really any basketball, but what is going on suddenly? We (Fox?) are turning the corner on a decent season, Wilcox turns down Oregon, SH of San Francisco ( my HS) wins a state football title??!! There's some alternate universe sh..stuff going on here.

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I thought SH(C) was my high school!

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Did you go to SH...2021 State Football Champs?

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bearister said:

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Bring it, SFCB!

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SFCityBear said:

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bearister said:

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When Andre Kelly told Walton in the post game interview that Fox has the team over for BBQ's and Thanksgiving dinner at his house, it made me feel different about the kind of guy the coach is.

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I agree. Maybe Fox is a better guy, and possibly better coach, than we thought. It's quite likely that Fox as a coach reflects what Fox was as a player. He's a mid-west guy who loves basketball and his modest success as a player was largely a reflection of hard work and discipline. The same is probably true of his coaching. He understands that you need top athletes to compete but maybe he can't tailor his recruiting pitch to attract those top guys. So, he gets what he can attract, hard-working guys with holes in their game: inexperienced, poor shooter, a step slow, etc. By their fourth year, most become average to slightly below-average P5 players, and so does the team. And the cycle repeats itself.

Maybe the best we can hope for from Fox is that he transforms a god-awful program to a mediocre program but that's enough to subsequently attract better HC candidates.

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All while he and his supporters spread the message throughout the coaching world and media that his record is what it is because everyone else cheats and Cal has no history of success and it is impossible to win here? That is what he did at Georgia to get multiple extensions and it sure seems that is happening here.

He was hired only two years after we were undefeated at home, a 4 seed and finished ranked. The program wasn't trashed. We had just hired a inexperienced coach who made too many rookie mistakes and so we fired him. But the roster had some talent, most of which Fox drove off. Fox filled the roster that year with guys that mostly haven't played much. Those guys will be seniors next year. The sooner we hire a coach with more upside who can recruit, the sooner they can start working on that big 2023 class. If we keep Fox another year or two we are just going to increase the time the new coach needs for a rebuild.

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The roster has talent now. I expect the team will get better by year end. I do not want Fox fired. Fox is not the Boogey man. He is a coach improving our program. Anyanwu and Alajiki show real promise. We are playing better defense and the offense is coming around. I enjoy every game and am there supporting the team.

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Thank you for saying this. Who fires a coach after a handful of early season games, when the team has shown some obvious improvement? We just had a nice win over a decent opponent in a close game. Can't they let us at least enjoy the win for a few days, before they start with the coach-bashing again? Fox is at least partially responsible for the obvious improvement in the team's performance over that of last season. The team was assembled by him, and the players did not improve all by themselves. I haven't seen this much emotion and camaraderie on a Cal team in years. The players are really having fun, and I would like to enjoy this season as well, at least the good games, without being subjected to negative opinions day after day. I wish the Negabummer Bears would take their opinions and reams of data, and go soak in a warm bath for a while.

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calumnus said:

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bearister said:

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When Andre Kelly told Walton in the post game interview that Fox has the team over for BBQ's and Thanksgiving dinner at his house, it made me feel different about the kind of guy the coach is.

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I agree. Maybe Fox is a better guy, and possibly better coach, than we thought. It's quite likely that Fox as a coach reflects what Fox was as a player. He's a mid-west guy who loves basketball and his modest success as a player was largely a reflection of hard work and discipline. The same is probably true of his coaching. He understands that you need top athletes to compete but maybe he can't tailor his recruiting pitch to attract those top guys. So, he gets what he can attract, hard-working guys with holes in their game: inexperienced, poor shooter, a step slow, etc. By their fourth year, most become average to slightly below-average P5 players, and so does the team. And the cycle repeats itself.

Maybe the best we can hope for from Fox is that he transforms a god-awful program to a mediocre program but that's enough to subsequently attract better HC candidates.

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All while he and his supporters spread the message throughout the coaching world and media that his record is what it is because everyone else cheats and Cal has no history of success and it is impossible to win here? That is what he did at Georgia to get multiple extensions and it sure seems that is happening here.

Do you have any concrete evidence that any of the accusations you've made above are true? If so, please show us.

He was hired only two years after we were undefeated at home, a 4 seed and finished ranked. The program wasn't trashed. We had just hired a inexperienced coach who made too many rookie mistakes and so we fired him. But the roster had some talent, most of which Fox drove off. Fox filled the roster that year with guys that mostly haven't played much. Those guys will be seniors next year. The sooner we hire a coach with more upside who can recruit, the sooner they can start working on that big 2023 class. If we keep Fox another year or two we are just going to increase the time the new coach needs for a rebuild.

Correction, Fox was hired THREE years after we were undefeated at home, etc. You forgot Cuonzo's less than glorious 3rd season.

The program WAS trashed. Rabb left early for the NBA, Moore transferred, Bird graduated, Mullin graduated, Rooks transferred to SDS. The entire first string - GONE. Along with Singer and RMB graduating and others. What Cuonzo left for Wyking were Coleman, Okoroh, and Hamilton off the bench and new recruits and transfers, Marcus Lee for one year, and frosh Sueing, Anticevich,and JHD.

Wyking was not an inexperienced coach, he was inexperienced as a head coach. He had many years experience as an assistant coach, like previous Cal head coaches before him, namely Rene Herrerias (Newell's right hand man), Jim Padgett (Herreias's right hand man), Dick Kuchen (Digger Phelps' right hand man), and Todd Bozeman (Lou Campanelli's right hand man).

The roster Cuonzo left for Wyking had little talent. Lee, who had only one season of eligibility, and Sueing were capable. So was KO, a very average center, but he played injured. Anticevich not yet ready for prime time. JHD, Coleman, and Hamilton never showed they were D1 level players. It was a dumpster fire. And Wyking had a lot of open roster spots with only one summer to try and land some recruits. Almost identical situation to what Fox had, a lot of roster spots to fill and only a summer to fill them.

You say "Fox drove off the talent." Do you have any concrete evidence of that accusation?

I assume you refer to McNeill, Vanover, and Sueing. Sueing was the biggest loss, if there was any loss. He had a similar, maybe better, season on a much better team at Ohio St, and appears to be injured this season. McNeill was a guard asked to play point guard, but would prefer to shoot, only he was not that good a shot, and slumped badly in conference play. He seldom passed the ball. He has done nothing much since transferring (3 times if you count the decommit) I always felt Vanover left because he was homesick. He has not improved much since, except in free throw shooting. He was unique, but not that good at Cal. His best year was at Cal, and he is averaging only 9 minutes at Arkansas.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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It's exciting rooting for Cal football and basketball these days. Do we root for some wins or just a complete **** storm of losses so we can fire coaches. The golden age for Cal football and basketball.

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bearister said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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It's exciting rooting for Cal football and basketball these days. Do we root for some wins or just a complete **** storm of losses so we can fire coaches. The golden age for Cal football and basketball.

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I attended Cal from 1972-1976. It was a football school then. Bartkowski, Ferragamo, Roth, Muncie, etc.
I am embarrassed to say that I did not attend one hoop game in my 4 year stretch. I think the Bears won a total of 18 conference games over those 4 years.

The first Cal hoop game I attended was in 1981 when my bosses, the Ricksen twins, gave me a ticket to the Washington game and I sat with them in their family seats under the basket at Harmon. The late Mark McNamara was our center. The Huskies had a tall blond kid with good handles, a sweet outside shot, and a pr@ickly attitude: Detlef Schrempf.

I bought season tickets in 1987 and have re upped every season since.

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bearister said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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It's exciting rooting for Cal football and basketball these days. Do we root for some wins or just a complete **** storm of losses so we can fire coaches. The golden age for Cal football and basketball.

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I attended Cal from 1972-1976. It was a football school then. Bartkowski, Ferragamo, Roth, Muncie, etc.
I am embarrassed to say that I did not attend one hoop game in my 4 year stretch. I think the Bears won a total of 18 conference games over those 4 years.

The first Cal hoop game I attended was in 1981 when my bosses, the Ricksen twins, gave me a ticket to the Washington game and I sat with them in their family seats under the basket at Harmon. The late Mark McNamara was our center. The Huskies had a tall blond kid with good handles, a sweet outside shot, and a pr@ickly attitude: Detlef Schrempf.

I bought season tickets in 1987 and have re upped every season since.

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oskidunker said:

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bearister said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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It's exciting rooting for Cal football and basketball these days. Do we root for some wins or just a complete **** storm of losses so we can fire coaches. The golden age for Cal football and basketball.

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I attended Cal from 1972-1976. It was a football school then. Bartkowski, Ferragamo, Roth, Muncie, etc.
I am embarrassed to say that I did not attend one hoop game in my 4 year stretch. I think the Bears won a total of 18 conference games over those 4 years.

The first Cal hoop game I attended was in 1981 when my bosses, the Ricksen twins, gave me a ticket to the Washington game and I sat with them in their family seats under the basket at Harmon. The late Mark McNamara was our center. The Huskies had a tall blond kid with good handles, a sweet outside shot, and a pr@ickly attitude: Detlef Schrempf.

I bought season tickets in 1987 and have re upped every season since.

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Beat you Started in 1986

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bearister said:

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Then you must have loved this game 38 years ago yesterday:

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