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Stats which are extremely limited and sporadic are not reliably predictive. Why reference having seen him play if there's nothing more you need to know than his (extremely) limited stats from his freshman season? It sounds like you actually do rely on other information; namely, your impression from having seen him play in high school. Well, that's exactly why I (and others) are asking the question of 4thGen: because he's about the only one on this board who may have actually seen Bowser play in the past 11 months.

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Agree. Given the circumstances, it's way too early to write Bowser off without seeing him play more. I'm guessing the staff has a much better idea as to his potential (or lack thereof) at this point.

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Which is reflected in his playing time?

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Well, he is not suited up and we still don't know when the last time he was practicing. You know what I mean: The staff has seen him up close and personal, whereas we have hardly seen him at all and are going on a few minutes in a few games, early last season.

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Stats which are extremely limited and sporadic are not reliably predictive. Why reference having seen him play if there's nothing more you need to know than his (extremely) limited stats from his freshman season? It sounds like you actually do rely on other information; namely, your impression from having seen him play in high school. Well, that's exactly why I (and others) are asking the question of 4thGen: because he's about the only one on this board who may have actually seen Bowser play in the past 11 months.

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Agree. Given the circumstances, it's way too early to write Bowser off without seeing him play more. I'm guessing the staff has a much better idea as to his potential (or lack thereof) at this point.

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Which is reflected in his playing time?

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Well, he is not suited up and we still don't know when the last time he was practicing. You know what I mean: The staff has seen him up close and personal, whereas we have hardly seen him at all and are going on a few minutes in a few games, early last season.

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The staff said the freshmen class was strong. They are averaging 5 points a game total. It makes sense to ignore what I say, but the staff is also not a good source.

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Stats which are extremely limited and sporadic are not reliably predictive. Why reference having seen him play if there's nothing more you need to know than his (extremely) limited stats from his freshman season? It sounds like you actually do rely on other information; namely, your impression from having seen him play in high school. Well, that's exactly why I (and others) are asking the question of 4thGen: because he's about the only one on this board who may have actually seen Bowser play in the past 11 months.

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Agree. Given the circumstances, it's way too early to write Bowser off without seeing him play more. I'm guessing the staff has a much better idea as to his potential (or lack thereof) at this point.

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Which is reflected in his playing time?

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Well, he is not suited up and we still don't know when the last time he was practicing. You know what I mean: The staff has seen him up close and personal, whereas we have hardly seen him at all and are going on a few minutes in a few games, early last season.

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The staff said the freshmen class was strong. They are averaging 5 points a game total. It makes sense to ignore what I say, but the staff is also not a good source.

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That's why my question was directed to 4thGen. He has shown himself to be a credible source with excellent access.

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Stats which are extremely limited and sporadic are not reliably predictive. Why reference having seen him play if there's nothing more you need to know than his (extremely) limited stats from his freshman season? It sounds like you actually do rely on other information; namely, your impression from having seen him play in high school. Well, that's exactly why I (and others) are asking the question of 4thGen: because he's about the only one on this board who may have actually seen Bowser play in the past 11 months.

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Agree. Given the circumstances, it's way too early to write Bowser off without seeing him play more. I'm guessing the staff has a much better idea as to his potential (or lack thereof) at this point.

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Which is reflected in his playing time?

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Well, he is not suited up and we still don't know when the last time he was practicing. You know what I mean: The staff has seen him up close and personal, whereas we have hardly seen him at all and are going on a few minutes in a few games, early last season.

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The staff said the freshmen class was strong. They are averaging 5 points a game total. It makes sense to ignore what I say, but the staff is also not a good source.

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The staff is trying to prolong their jobs. What are they going to say, their incoming class sucks? Anyway, what I mean is, they've seen a lot more of Bowser than we have: In their minds, they must have a decent idea if he is going to eventually be a Pac 12 level player. Although, maybe he's practiced and worked out so little that it's all a mystery (that seems to be on a need-to-know basis and I guess us fans don't need to know).

My current evals on the three frosh:

Alajiki sort of looks like he's hit the wall for the time being. Hopefully he will regroup and grow in the off-season. The 3-pointer from the baseline is beautiful, but he needs more in his game and the rest looks raw.

Anyanwu comes in and battles, but he looks like a 6-7 PF and I'm wondering what the ceiling on somebody like that is.

Roberson looks like he can play, except for he can't shoot... and how many guys can we afford to have out there who can't shoot?

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Stats which are extremely limited and sporadic are not reliably predictive. Why reference having seen him play if there's nothing more you need to know than his (extremely) limited stats from his freshman season? It sounds like you actually do rely on other information; namely, your impression from having seen him play in high school. Well, that's exactly why I (and others) are asking the question of 4thGen: because he's about the only one on this board who may have actually seen Bowser play in the past 11 months.

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Agree. Given the circumstances, it's way too early to write Bowser off without seeing him play more. I'm guessing the staff has a much better idea as to his potential (or lack thereof) at this point.

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Which is reflected in his playing time?

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Well, he is not suited up and we still don't know when the last time he was practicing. You know what I mean: The staff has seen him up close and personal, whereas we have hardly seen him at all and are going on a few minutes in a few games, early last season.

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The staff said the freshmen class was strong. They are averaging 5 points a game total. It makes sense to ignore what I say, but the staff is also not a good source.

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The staff is trying to prolong their jobs. What are they going to say, their incoming class sucks? Anyway, what I mean is, they've seen a lot more of Bowser than we have: In their minds, they must have a decent idea if he is going to eventually be a Pac 12 level player. Although, maybe he's practiced and worked out so little that it's all a mystery (that seems to be on a need-to-know basis and I guess us fans don't need to know).

My current evals on the three frosh:

Alajiki sort of looks like he's hit the wall for the time being. Hopefully he will regroup and grow in the off-season. The 3-pointer from the baseline is beautiful, but he needs more in his game and the rest looks raw.

Anyanwu comes in and battles, but he looks like a 6-7 PF and I'm wondering what the ceiling on somebody like that is.

Roberson looks like he can play, except for he can't shoot... and how many guys can we afford to have out there who can't shoot?

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Totally weird that when the freshmen arrived they played very similarly to how they played in high school. There were no magical basketball transformations. Will be surprising once again when the incoming class of 2022 is not very good, and I say that for the same reason.

Alajiki should be getting more minutes. That kid plays super tough, gets offensive rebounds, and is money from 3.

I believe Sam's 3FG% is much higher from the baseline than it is out on top and it seems as if our opponents have noticed this as well and are taking the baseline shot away from him.

This guy has a lot of potential. But I said that about Kuany, too, and he's developing slower than I'd hoped.

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Alajiki should be getting more minutes. That kid plays super tough, gets offensive rebounds, and is money from 3.

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Agreed, and thought Celestine should have played more last year. They are Fox's best recruits and will be key players next year.

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Stats which are extremely limited and sporadic are not reliably predictive. Why reference having seen him play if there's nothing more you need to know than his (extremely) limited stats from his freshman season? It sounds like you actually do rely on other information; namely, your impression from having seen him play in high school. Well, that's exactly why I (and others) are asking the question of 4thGen: because he's about the only one on this board who may have actually seen Bowser play in the past 11 months.

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Agree. Given the circumstances, it's way too early to write Bowser off without seeing him play more. I'm guessing the staff has a much better idea as to his potential (or lack thereof) at this point.

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Which is reflected in his playing time?

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Well, he is not suited up and we still don't know when the last time he was practicing. You know what I mean: The staff has seen him up close and personal, whereas we have hardly seen him at all and are going on a few minutes in a few games, early last season.

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The staff said the freshmen class was strong. They are averaging 5 points a game total. It makes sense to ignore what I say, but the staff is also not a good source.

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The staff is trying to prolong their jobs. What are they going to say, their incoming class sucks? Anyway, what I mean is, they've seen a lot more of Bowser than we have: In their minds, they must have a decent idea if he is going to eventually be a Pac 12 level player. Although, maybe he's practiced and worked out so little that it's all a mystery (that seems to be on a need-to-know basis and I guess us fans don't need to know).

My current evals on the three frosh:

Alajiki sort of looks like he's hit the wall for the time being. Hopefully he will regroup and grow in the off-season. The 3-pointer from the baseline is beautiful, but he needs more in his game and the rest looks raw.

Anyanwu comes in and battles, but he looks like a 6-7 PF and I'm wondering what the ceiling on somebody like that is.

Roberson looks like he can play, except for he can't shoot... and how many guys can we afford to have out there who can't shoot?

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Totally weird that when the freshmen arrived they played very similarly to how they played in high school. There were no magical basketball transformations. Will be surprising once again when the incoming class of 2022 is not very good, and I say that for the same reason.

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You mean you actually saw all these kids play in high school? Did you see Alajiki shoot threes at 60% in high school? If he did, he would have been on every school's radar.

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Alajiki should be getting more minutes. That kid plays super tough, gets offensive rebounds, and is money from 3.

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Agreed, and thought Celestine should have played more last year. They are Fox's best recruits and will be key players next year.

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Agreed squared. Celestine seemed to start clicking about 8 games into this season (although you could see his talent last year).

I think the challenge (for FOX) is that he needs four and a half players running his offense (near perfectly) for it to not look real ugly (and it has been looking good lately). It seems like the players (going two deep+) fit into two groups:

Get It: Grant, Shepherd, Brown, Andre, Foreman & Celestine (after a few games this season)

Almost (worth 1/2): K2, Lars (almost there), Alajiki, Anyanwu, Bowser

I'm thinking its pretty rare to have more than one of the second group in at the same time. But with Andre out, that has had to happen. Lars and K2 are getting minutes and may understand the scheme better than Alajiki - which is why he's not getting as much run. Personally, I'd invest more minutes in Sam, but I'm not Fox.

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Stats which are extremely limited and sporadic are not reliably predictive. Why reference having seen him play if there's nothing more you need to know than his (extremely) limited stats from his freshman season? It sounds like you actually do rely on other information; namely, your impression from having seen him play in high school. Well, that's exactly why I (and others) are asking the question of 4thGen: because he's about the only one on this board who may have actually seen Bowser play in the past 11 months.

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Agree. Given the circumstances, it's way too early to write Bowser off without seeing him play more. I'm guessing the staff has a much better idea as to his potential (or lack thereof) at this point.

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Which is reflected in his playing time?

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Well, he is not suited up and we still don't know when the last time he was practicing. You know what I mean: The staff has seen him up close and personal, whereas we have hardly seen him at all and are going on a few minutes in a few games, early last season.

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The staff said the freshmen class was strong. They are averaging 5 points a game total. It makes sense to ignore what I say, but the staff is also not a good source.

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The staff is trying to prolong their jobs. What are they going to say, their incoming class sucks? Anyway, what I mean is, they've seen a lot more of Bowser than we have: In their minds, they must have a decent idea if he is going to eventually be a Pac 12 level player. Although, maybe he's practiced and worked out so little that it's all a mystery (that seems to be on a need-to-know basis and I guess us fans don't need to know).

My current evals on the three frosh:

Alajiki sort of looks like he's hit the wall for the time being. Hopefully he will regroup and grow in the off-season. The 3-pointer from the baseline is beautiful, but he needs more in his game and the rest looks raw.

Anyanwu comes in and battles, but he looks like a 6-7 PF and I'm wondering what the ceiling on somebody like that is.

Roberson looks like he can play, except for he can't shoot... and how many guys can we afford to have out there who can't shoot?

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Totally weird that when the freshmen arrived they played very similarly to how they played in high school. There were no magical basketball transformations. Will be surprising once again when the incoming class of 2022 is not very good, and I say that for the same reason.

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You mean you actually saw all these kids play in high school? Did you see Alajiki shoot threes at 60% in high school? If he did, he would have been on every school's radar.

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I saw them play on video, not in person. Alajiki had only one game with video. He played poorly and showed a lack of basketball awareness. I underrated him for this reason. His shooting is great, but let's not lose our minds. He is averaging 3 points a game, and outside of shooting his game is rough.

Anyanwu and Roberson had more video and I was about right with them. For the incoming recruits, there is tons of video on Okafor, including whole games, less on Newell.

Sluggo, when Alajiki committed, didn't you -- after watching his video -- say that you really liked his potential?

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I believe Sam's 3FG% is much higher from the baseline than it is out on top and it seems as if our opponents have noticed this as well and are taking the baseline shot away from him.

This guy has a lot of potential. But I said that about Kuany, too, and he's developing slower than I'd hoped.

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He's 18-30 (60%) from three. Easily the highest percentage on the team, 4th in total made 3's.

I think I've seen as many from the top of the circle than the corner.
Kuany is the guy who likes the corner 3.

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Sluggo, when Alajiki committed, didn't you -- after watching his video -- say that you really liked his potential?

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I saw a compilation video that I liked a lot. Then I watched a full game, which is more reliable, and changed my mind. But he must have been sick or injured or just broken up with his girlfriend, because he was not good at all. It is better when one can see a few games like with Okafor.

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I believe Sam's 3FG% is much higher from the baseline than it is out on top and it seems as if our opponents have noticed this as well and are taking the baseline shot away from him.

This guy has a lot of potential. But I said that about Kuany, too, and he's developing slower than I'd hoped.

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He's 18-30 (60%) from three. Easily the highest percentage on the team, 4th in total made 3's.

I think I've seen as many from the top of the circle than the corner.
Kuany is the guy who likes the corner 3.

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For someone with that shooting percentage (and who looks to have a good stroke from the eye test), I'd think it's coaching malpractice that he hasn't attempted 2 or 3 times as many 3s to this point. He could miss his next 15 threes and still have a great shooting percentage (40%) on this team. Oh well.

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Alajiki should be getting more minutes. That kid plays super tough, gets offensive rebounds, and is money from 3.

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He may be a victim of his own success. He probably was not on anyone's scouting report to start. But then he started hitting two or three 3s per game. Teams realized that he had no in between game, so they could overplay the 3 and he is stuck.

It took Crabbe until his third year to have a complete game. Alajiki's shot gives him a chance, but he will have to spend a lot of time in the gym filling in the gaps.

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I believe Sam's 3FG% is much higher from the baseline than it is out on top and it seems as if our opponents have noticed this as well and are taking the baseline shot away from him.

This guy has a lot of potential. But I said that about Kuany, too, and he's developing slower than I'd hoped.

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He's 18-30 (60%) from three. Easily the highest percentage on the team, 4th in total made 3's.

I think I've seen as many from the top of the circle than the corner.
Kuany is the guy who likes the corner 3.

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That's my perception as well.

Alajiki's 3-pt percentage is obviously not sustainable (although 30 attempts is nothing to sneeze at), but he has good form and has shot it confidently from the get-go. So it seems a good bet that he will be a legit high-percentage 3-point shooter. And that's a surprising skill and tough matchup for someone who also plays very physically inside.

Alajiki is a really nice piece. But only a piece. A role-playing piece. A good team has to have at least one dynamic offensive player (Bradley, Shepherd, etc.). I'm not seeing a dynamic offensive player, not even Celestine, on the roster next year. (I actually do not consider Kelly to be a dynamic scorer, though he's a pretty good interior scorer.) If there's to be a dynamic scorer next season, it looks like it'll have to come from the portal again.

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Alajiki should be getting more minutes. That kid plays super tough, gets offensive rebounds, and is money from 3.

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He may be a victim of his own success. He probably was not on anyone's scouting report to start. But then he started hitting two or three 3s per game. Teams realized that he had no in between game, so they could overplay the 3 and he is stuck.

It took Crabbe until his third year to have a complete game. Alajiki's shot gives him a chance, but he will have to spend a lot of time in the gym filling in the gaps.

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It's early yet, but I doubt Sam will ever be more than a 3-and-D player. It seems like he'll be really good at that, but never a dynamic scorer. Crabbe was a dynamic scorer coming out of high school.

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Sluggo, when Alajiki committed, didn't you -- after watching his video -- say that you really liked his potential?

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I saw a compilation video that I liked a lot. Then I watched a full game, which is more reliable, and changed my mind. But he must have been sick or injured or just broken up with his girlfriend, because he was not good at all. It is better when one can see a few games like with Okafor.

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What's your take on Okafor?

There is a pretty big gap between role player and Crabbe

Sam is a very good catch and shoot 3 point shooter

He's also got a ton of potential as a defender

With more experience I think he will improve his defense and rebounding and develop some more shots

No reason he can post some players

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Alajiki should be getting more minutes. That kid plays super tough, gets offensive rebounds, and is money from 3.

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He may be a victim of his own success. He probably was not on anyone's scouting report to start. But then he started hitting two or three 3s per game. Teams realized that he had no in between game, so they could overplay the 3 and he is stuck.

It took Crabbe until his third year to have a complete game. Alajiki's shot gives him a chance, but he will have to spend a lot of time in the gym filling in the gaps.

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It's early yet, but I doubt Sam will ever be more than a 3-and-D player. It seems like he'll be really good at that, but never a dynamic scorer. Crabbe was a dynamic scorer coming out of high school.

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There is a pretty big gap between role player and Crabbe

Sam is a very good catch and shoot 3 point shooter

He's also got a ton of potential as a defender

With more experience I think he will improve his defense and rebounding and develop some more shots

No reason he can post some players

drizzlybear said:

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Alajiki should be getting more minutes. That kid plays super tough, gets offensive rebounds, and is money from 3.

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He may be a victim of his own success. He probably was not on anyone's scouting report to start. But then he started hitting two or three 3s per game. Teams realized that he had no in between game, so they could overplay the 3 and he is stuck.

It took Crabbe until his third year to have a complete game. Alajiki's shot gives him a chance, but he will have to spend a lot of time in the gym filling in the gaps.

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It's early yet, but I doubt Sam will ever be more than a 3-and-D player. It seems like he'll be really good at that, but never a dynamic scorer. Crabbe was a dynamic scorer coming out of high school.

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Yeah, that's what I was saying. Alajiki is a role player (3&D), Crabbe was a high-level dynamic scorer. Big difference. It was another poster who suggested Alajiki had a chance of becoming the kind of offensive player Crabbe was. I don't think that's possible.

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That was me. Crabbe was not a very dynamic scorer until he was a junior, just a shooter. But as a junior he learned a pull up shot. I don't think Alajiki will be as good, but I do think he could add elements to his game. I would like to see him as a stretch 4. He is built like a football player and could guard most 4s better than Grant A. can.

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There is a pretty big gap between role player and Crabbe

Sam is a very good catch and shoot 3 point shooter

He's also got a ton of potential as a defender

With more experience I think he will improve his defense and rebounding and develop some more shots

No reason he can post some players

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Alajiki should be getting more minutes. That kid plays super tough, gets offensive rebounds, and is money from 3.

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He may be a victim of his own success. He probably was not on anyone's scouting report to start. But then he started hitting two or three 3s per game. Teams realized that he had no in between game, so they could overplay the 3 and he is stuck.

It took Crabbe until his third year to have a complete game. Alajiki's shot gives him a chance, but he will have to spend a lot of time in the gym filling in the gaps.

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It's early yet, but I doubt Sam will ever be more than a 3-and-D player. It seems like he'll be really good at that, but never a dynamic scorer. Crabbe was a dynamic scorer coming out of high school.

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Yeah, that's what I was saying. Alajiki is a role player (3&D), Crabbe was a high-level dynamic scorer. Big difference. It was another poster who suggested Alajiki had a chance of becoming the kind of offensive player Crabbe was. I don't think that's possible.

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That was me. Crabbe was not a very dynamic scorer until he was a junior, just a shooter. But as a junior he learned a pull up shot. I don't think Alajiki will be as good, but I do think he could add elements to his game. I would like to see him as a stretch 4. He is built like a football player and could guard most 4s better than Grant A. can.

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I mean, if he could become Carl Boyd with a 3 pt shot that would be pretty damn good

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Sluggo, when Alajiki committed, didn't you -- after watching his video -- say that you really liked his potential?

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I saw a compilation video that I liked a lot. Then I watched a full game, which is more reliable, and changed my mind. But he must have been sick or injured or just broken up with his girlfriend, because he was not good at all. It is better when one can see a few games like with Okafor.

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What's your take on Okafor?

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Good athlete, has some good footwork maybe from playing soccer. Can protect the rim. Not much awareness and a little slow to react like someone new to the game. Limited offensive game. No face up or post game. Can slash a little. Lacks lower body strength that you might want in a 5. Does not move the needle.

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There is a pretty big gap between role player and Crabbe

Sam is a very good catch and shoot 3 point shooter

He's also got a ton of potential as a defender

With more experience I think he will improve his defense and rebounding and develop some more shots

No reason he can post some players

drizzlybear said:

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Alajiki should be getting more minutes. That kid plays super tough, gets offensive rebounds, and is money from 3.

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He may be a victim of his own success. He probably was not on anyone's scouting report to start. But then he started hitting two or three 3s per game. Teams realized that he had no in between game, so they could overplay the 3 and he is stuck.

It took Crabbe until his third year to have a complete game. Alajiki's shot gives him a chance, but he will have to spend a lot of time in the gym filling in the gaps.

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It's early yet, but I doubt Sam will ever be more than a 3-and-D player. It seems like he'll be really good at that, but never a dynamic scorer. Crabbe was a dynamic scorer coming out of high school.

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Yeah, that's what I was saying. Alajiki is a role player (3&D), Crabbe was a high-level dynamic scorer. Big difference. It was another poster who suggested Alajiki had a chance of becoming the kind of offensive player Crabbe was. I don't think that's possible.

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That was me. Crabbe was not a very dynamic scorer until he was a junior, just a shooter. But as a junior he learned a pull up shot. I don't think Alajiki will be as good, but I do think he could add elements to his game. I would like to see him as a stretch 4. He is built like a football player and could guard most 4s better than Grant A. can.

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I mean, if he could become Carl Boyd with a 3 pt shot that would be pretty damn good

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Not quite the athlete but a little taller. Interesting comparison.

Other than that, mrs. Lincoln.....how did you enjoy the play????

Just echoing the evaluation of Sam's shooting outside shooting;
Excellent at the catch and shoot. But Sam's style appears he will not have the same success if he tries to create his own outside shot.

Still, coupling the fact that he is a solid catch and shoot outsider shoot, and that he displays over the top tenacity defensively and on the boards, leads me to believe he can be of great value, but it's highly dependent on the coaching staff recognizing his specific game and utilizing his strategic role correctly.

So far his minutes per game have not been great enough to reach a conclusion on what his overall effect will be, but next year his minutes will certainly go up, and the question is how well the coaching staff will be able to play up to his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. We shall see.

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Just echoing the evaluation of Sam's shooting outside shooting;
Excellent at the catch and shoot. But Sam's style appears he will not have the same success if he tries to create his own outside shot.

Still, coupling the fact that he is a solid catch and shoot outsider shoot, and that he displays over the top tenacity defensively and on the boards, leads me to believe he can be of great value, but it's highly dependent on the coaching staff recognizing his specific game and utilizing his strategic role correctly.

So far his minutes per game have not been great enough to reach a conclusion on what his overall effect will be, but next year his minutes will certainly go up, and the question is how well the coaching staff will be able to play up to his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. We shall see.

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I think he can be more than just a catch and shoot guy on offense. As a good outside shooter, Sam should attract defenders so the next thing to add to his arsenal, over the summer, is the ability to drive past that defender to the hoop, either for a layup (good for a strong guy like him) or a floater (tougher to perfect, but maybe doable).

HearstMining said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Just echoing the evaluation of Sam's shooting outside shooting;
Excellent at the catch and shoot. But Sam's style appears he will not have the same success if he tries to create his own outside shot.

Still, coupling the fact that he is a solid catch and shoot outsider shoot, and that he displays over the top tenacity defensively and on the boards, leads me to believe he can be of great value, but it's highly dependent on the coaching staff recognizing his specific game and utilizing his strategic role correctly.

So far his minutes per game have not been great enough to reach a conclusion on what his overall effect will be, but next year his minutes will certainly go up, and the question is how well the coaching staff will be able to play up to his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. We shall see.

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I think he can be more than just a catch and shoot guy on offense. As a good outside shooter, Sam should attract defenders so the next thing to add to his arsenal, over the summer, is the ability to drive past that defender to the hoop, either for a layup (good for a strong guy like him) or a floater (tougher to perfect, but maybe doable).

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I tend to agree with you. Your analysis makes sense to me. I just think that some creative coaching intervention needs to occur for these adjustments to actually happen.

He was 2-3 from three so his percentage stays the same. We need to get him more shots.

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He was 2-3 from three so his percentage stays the same. We need to get him more shots.

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It did go up slightly. He came into the game at exactly 60% (18-30). Going 2-3 doesn't move the needle much, but when you're already at 60% from three, going in any direction but down is remarkable.

RedlessWardrobe said:

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HearstMining said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Just echoing the evaluation of Sam's shooting outside shooting;
Excellent at the catch and shoot. But Sam's style appears he will not have the same success if he tries to create his own outside shot.

Still, coupling the fact that he is a solid catch and shoot outsider shoot, and that he displays over the top tenacity defensively and on the boards, leads me to believe he can be of great value, but it's highly dependent on the coaching staff recognizing his specific game and utilizing his strategic role correctly.

So far his minutes per game have not been great enough to reach a conclusion on what his overall effect will be, but next year his minutes will certainly go up, and the question is how well the coaching staff will be able to play up to his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. We shall see.

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I think he can be more than just a catch and shoot guy on offense. As a good outside shooter, Sam should attract defenders so the next thing to add to his arsenal, over the summer, is the ability to drive past that defender to the hoop, either for a layup (good for a strong guy like him) or a floater (tougher to perfect, but maybe doable).

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I tend to agree with you. Your analysis makes sense to me. I just think that some creative coaching intervention needs to occur for these adjustments to actually happen.

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Coaches can advise, but it is up to players to spend the countless hours in the gym to improve their skills. Which is easy for me to say from my keyboard.

sluggo said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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HearstMining said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Just echoing the evaluation of Sam's shooting outside shooting;
Excellent at the catch and shoot. But Sam's style appears he will not have the same success if he tries to create his own outside shot.

Still, coupling the fact that he is a solid catch and shoot outsider shoot, and that he displays over the top tenacity defensively and on the boards, leads me to believe he can be of great value, but it's highly dependent on the coaching staff recognizing his specific game and utilizing his strategic role correctly.

So far his minutes per game have not been great enough to reach a conclusion on what his overall effect will be, but next year his minutes will certainly go up, and the question is how well the coaching staff will be able to play up to his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. We shall see.

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I think he can be more than just a catch and shoot guy on offense. As a good outside shooter, Sam should attract defenders so the next thing to add to his arsenal, over the summer, is the ability to drive past that defender to the hoop, either for a layup (good for a strong guy like him) or a floater (tougher to perfect, but maybe doable).

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I tend to agree with you. Your analysis makes sense to me. I just think that some creative coaching intervention needs to occur for these adjustments to actually happen.

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Coaches can advise, but it is up to players to spend the countless hours in the gym to improve their skills. Which is easy for me to say from my keyboard.

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No doubt the player has to work on improving himself. But just listening to a guy like Mike Montgomery, you know if he was still coaching the team, he would take it upon himself to work with someone like Sam, because a good coach can analyze what a player needs to do specifically pertaining to his own skills in order to improve. Makes me wonder if the Fox crew will be able to do the same.

sluggo said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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HearstMining said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Just echoing the evaluation of Sam's shooting outside shooting;
Excellent at the catch and shoot. But Sam's style appears he will not have the same success if he tries to create his own outside shot.

Still, coupling the fact that he is a solid catch and shoot outsider shoot, and that he displays over the top tenacity defensively and on the boards, leads me to believe he can be of great value, but it's highly dependent on the coaching staff recognizing his specific game and utilizing his strategic role correctly.

So far his minutes per game have not been great enough to reach a conclusion on what his overall effect will be, but next year his minutes will certainly go up, and the question is how well the coaching staff will be able to play up to his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. We shall see.

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I think he can be more than just a catch and shoot guy on offense. As a good outside shooter, Sam should attract defenders so the next thing to add to his arsenal, over the summer, is the ability to drive past that defender to the hoop, either for a layup (good for a strong guy like him) or a floater (tougher to perfect, but maybe doable).

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I tend to agree with you. Your analysis makes sense to me. I just think that some creative coaching intervention needs to occur for these adjustments to actually happen.

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Coaches can advise, but it is up to players to spend the countless hours in the gym to improve their skills. Which is easy for me to say from my keyboard.

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Yeah, but I bet your finger dexterity is at an elite level