Interesting take from SD media on Matt Bradley

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I understand those who don't need to hear anymore about Matt Bradley. Feel free to ignore this post. But for those with interest (pro or con) in his experience at sdsu, this is a really interesting article.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2022-02-20/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-basketball-3-thoughts-fresno-state-matt-bradley-orlando-robinson-trey-pulliam?_amp=true

The premise of the article is that, in their game Friday night vs Fresno St., Bradley might have played his best game of the year despite scoring only 2 points on 1-8 shooting from the field (mind you, MB was coming off a five-game streak of averaging around 25 ppg and having made 19 of 32 3-pointers, 59%).

His teammate said this about Matt:

"They were doubling Matt, and he was playing really smart," said Chad Baker-Mazara, who was the biggest beneficiary, finishing with a season-high 20 points on 6 of 7 shooting. "They were sending two, three guys at him, and he was looking for guys like me who were wide open and provided shots for us.

"That's the great thing about his game. He's not, 'I'm going to shoot it even though I have three guys on me.' He's a team guy who just wants to win."
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drizzlybear said:

I understand those who don't need to hear anymore about Matt Bradley. Feel free to ignore this post. But for those with interest (pro or con) in his experience at sdsu, this is a really interesting article.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2022-02-20/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-basketball-3-thoughts-fresno-state-matt-bradley-orlando-robinson-trey-pulliam?_amp=true

The premise of the article is that, in their game Friday night vs Fresno St., Bradley might have played his best game of the year despite scoring only 2 points on 1-8 shooting from the field (mind you, MB was coming off a five-game streak of averaging around 25 ppg and having made 19 of 32 3-pointers, 59%).

His teammate said this about Matt:

"They were doubling Matt, and he was playing really smart," said Chad Baker-Mazara, who was the biggest beneficiary, finishing with a season-high 20 points on 6 of 7 shooting. "They were sending two, three guys at him, and he was looking for guys like me who were wide open and provided shots for us.

"That's the great thing about his game. He's not, 'I'm going to shoot it even though I have three guys on me.' He's a team guy who just wants to win."
I think part of what happened with Matt here was that he felt he had to score or else we would struggle. So in a way he was thinking about the team. But then guys that could shoot like Grant or could score inside like Kelly, wouldn't get as many touches. In any case, we're bad with and bad without him so really it doesn't matter. Good for Matt though, I hope he's finding a way to make the team better without volume shooting.
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KoreAmBear said:

drizzlybear said:

I understand those who don't need to hear anymore about Matt Bradley. Feel free to ignore this post. But for those with interest (pro or con) in his experience at sdsu, this is a really interesting article.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2022-02-20/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-basketball-3-thoughts-fresno-state-matt-bradley-orlando-robinson-trey-pulliam?_amp=true

The premise of the article is that, in their game Friday night vs Fresno St., Bradley might have played his best game of the year despite scoring only 2 points on 1-8 shooting from the field (mind you, MB was coming off a five-game streak of averaging around 25 ppg and having made 19 of 32 3-pointers, 59%).

His teammate said this about Matt:

"They were doubling Matt, and he was playing really smart," said Chad Baker-Mazara, who was the biggest beneficiary, finishing with a season-high 20 points on 6 of 7 shooting. "They were sending two, three guys at him, and he was looking for guys like me who were wide open and provided shots for us.

"That's the great thing about his game. He's not, 'I'm going to shoot it even though I have three guys on me.' He's a team guy who just wants to win."
I think part of what happened with Matt here was that he felt he had to score or else we would struggle. So in a way he was thinking about the team. But then guys that could shoot like Grant or could score inside like Kelly, wouldn't get as many touches. In any case, we're bad with and bad without him so really it doesn't matter. Good for Matt though, I hope he's finding a way to make the team better without volume shooting.
I think a bigger part of what happened with Matt is that he wanted to win and realized that he would have a better chance of doing that at SDSU than at Cal. If we were winning (or at least had some promising recruits, I bet all the other stuff would have worked itself out.

Same with coaching, If Dana Altman was winning at Cal, everyone would work through all the other issues. If Mike Krzyzewski was still 11th in conference in year 3, we would want a better coach.
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Matt probably learned about making the play, not just the shot at Cal, and he's executing on it from that experience as a senior

this is why having a veteran team is so important ... players learn, develop and execute at a higher level as a vet. They also gain more confidence which translates to poise

Also, perhaps the talent surrounding him as SDSU is better than at Cal, so sharing the ball results in higher efficiency points than last year at Cal

But we are also a different team this year. Volume shooters Bentley and Foreman left or either played smaller roles, and players like Kelly, Celestine and 2K (plus Sam and Brown) have improved their game

It still will be the big 'what if' of this season regardless of how well SDSU does this season (they are a bubble team)
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HoopDreams said:

Matt probably learned about making the play, not just the shot at Cal, and he's executing on it from that experience as a senior

this is why having a veteran team is so important ... players learn, develop and execute at a higher level as a vet. They also gain more confidence which translates to poise

Also, perhaps the talent surrounding him as SDSU is better than at Cal, so sharing the ball results in higher efficiency points than last year at Cal

But we are also a different team this year. Volume shooters Bentley and Foreman left or either played smaller roles, and players like Kelly, Celestine and 2K (plus Sam and Brown) have improved their game

It still will be the big 'what if' of this season regardless of how well SDSU does this season (they are a bubble team)


Except that "team oriented" was exactly the role he played at Cal as a freshman when there were other talented players on the team. It is also the role Sueing played at Ohio State.
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Suing doesnt play at Ohio State.
Vanover barely plays at arKansas
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I think we would be competing for the league championship if we still had Twin Blond Pig Tail Boy. He'd be throwing down 5 or 6 treys a game and averaging 20 boards.* He will forever be "The One that Got Away."

*Unless Lars kicked his arse in practice and he was too hurt to play
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bearister said:

I think we would be competing for the league championship if we still had Twin Blond Pig Tail Boy. He'd be throwing down 5 or 6 treys a game and averaging 20 boards.* He will forever be "The One that Got Away."

*Unless Lars kicked his arse in practice and he was too hurt to play

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Sueing started all year last year on a team that was a No. 2 seed in the NCAA tournament. He was injured at the start of this year and never came back.
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BerkeleyBAT said:

Sueing started all year last year on a team that was a No. 2 seed in the NCAA tournament. He was injured at the start of this year and never came back.

Yeah, he had one of those injuries that is tough to shake... something like a sports hernia (IIRC). When he's healthy, he is a good college basketball player. Vanover appears to have gotten in the wrong system at Arkansas. Heck we really could've used both of them, Darius McNeill, too. Oh well...

We need more talent. Either Fox gets more or we find somebody that can.
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BerkeleyBAT said:

Sueing started all year last year on a team that was a No. 2 seed in the NCAA tournament. He was injured at the start of this year and never came back.


… and they got upset in the first round

I don't think Sueing's two seasons has gone the way he wanted

Hopefully he gets healthy and he can fulfill those aspirations next year
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Big C said:

bearister said:

I think we would be competing for the league championship if we still had Twin Blond Pig Tail Boy. He'd be throwing down 5 or 6 treys a game and averaging 20 boards.* He will forever be "The One that Got Away."

*Unless Lars kicked his arse in practice and he was too hurt to play

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bearister said:

Big C said:

bearister said:

I think we would be competing for the league championship if we still had Twin Blond Pig Tail Boy. He'd be throwing down 5 or 6 treys a game and averaging 20 boards.* He will forever be "The One that Got Away."

*Unless Lars kicked his arse in practice and he was too hurt to play

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I'll settle for, "If he'd have stayed at Cal, he'd be at least Honorable Mention all-conference, the fans would like him and we would've won some more games,"

I hope he enjoys being close to home, because, basketball-wise, he made a big mistake.
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bearister said:

I think we would be competing for the league championship if we still had Twin Blond Pig Tail Boy. He'd be throwing down 5 or 6 treys a game and averaging 20 boards.* He will forever be "The One that Got Away."

*Unless Lars kicked his arse in practice and he was too hurt to play
Well, at his current clip of .077 (1 for 13) he'd have to quite literally be "throwing up"
at least 65 three-point attempts per game.


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KoreAmBear said:

drizzlybear said:

I understand those who don't need to hear anymore about Matt Bradley. Feel free to ignore this post. But for those with interest (pro or con) in his experience at sdsu, this is a really interesting article.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2022-02-20/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-basketball-3-thoughts-fresno-state-matt-bradley-orlando-robinson-trey-pulliam?_amp=true

The premise of the article is that, in their game Friday night vs Fresno St., Bradley might have played his best game of the year despite scoring only 2 points on 1-8 shooting from the field (mind you, MB was coming off a five-game streak of averaging around 25 ppg and having made 19 of 32 3-pointers, 59%).

His teammate said this about Matt:

"They were doubling Matt, and he was playing really smart," said Chad Baker-Mazara, who was the biggest beneficiary, finishing with a season-high 20 points on 6 of 7 shooting. "They were sending two, three guys at him, and he was looking for guys like me who were wide open and provided shots for us.

"That's the great thing about his game. He's not, 'I'm going to shoot it even though I have three guys on me.' He's a team guy who just wants to win."
I think part of what happened with Matt here was that he felt he had to score or else we would struggle. So in a way he was thinking about the team. But then guys that could shoot like Grant or could score inside like Kelly, wouldn't get as many touches. In any case, we're bad with and bad without him so really it doesn't matter. Good for Matt though, I hope he's finding a way to make the team better without volume shooting.
I always thought Bradley was a willing passer, but he was an inaccurate passer. His passes frequently did not put his teammate in a position to easily catch and either shoot or dribble.
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Sometimes you need a fresh start to grow. I wish Matt had stayed, 4th and 5th year guys with their experience and leadership could really put us ahead. I hope he makes the transition to the league and is successful.

Far more than woulda-shoulda-couldas with Matt - I'd rather focus on our players here and how we can keep them for their entire eligibility and help them experience success academically and on the court.
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BeachedBear said:

KoreAmBear said:

drizzlybear said:

I understand those who don't need to hear anymore about Matt Bradley. Feel free to ignore this post. But for those with interest (pro or con) in his experience at sdsu, this is a really interesting article.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2022-02-20/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-basketball-3-thoughts-fresno-state-matt-bradley-orlando-robinson-trey-pulliam?_amp=true

The premise of the article is that, in their game Friday night vs Fresno St., Bradley might have played his best game of the year despite scoring only 2 points on 1-8 shooting from the field (mind you, MB was coming off a five-game streak of averaging around 25 ppg and having made 19 of 32 3-pointers, 59%).

His teammate said this about Matt:

"They were doubling Matt, and he was playing really smart," said Chad Baker-Mazara, who was the biggest beneficiary, finishing with a season-high 20 points on 6 of 7 shooting. "They were sending two, three guys at him, and he was looking for guys like me who were wide open and provided shots for us.

"That's the great thing about his game. He's not, 'I'm going to shoot it even though I have three guys on me.' He's a team guy who just wants to win."
I think part of what happened with Matt here was that he felt he had to score or else we would struggle. So in a way he was thinking about the team. But then guys that could shoot like Grant or could score inside like Kelly, wouldn't get as many touches. In any case, we're bad with and bad without him so really it doesn't matter. Good for Matt though, I hope he's finding a way to make the team better without volume shooting.
I think a bigger part of what happened with Matt is that he wanted to win and realized that he would have a better chance of doing that at SDSU than at Cal. If we were winning (or at least had some promising recruits, I bet all the other stuff would have worked itself out.

Same with coaching, If Dana Altman was winning at Cal, everyone would work through all the other issues. If Mike Krzyzewski was still 11th in conference in year 3, we would want a better coach.
Count me out on Altman. I don't think I could have worked through his issues with players he recruited and coached being charged of sexual assaults, and what he knew about it and when he knew it.
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KoreAmBear said:

drizzlybear said:

I understand those who don't need to hear anymore about Matt Bradley. Feel free to ignore this post. But for those with interest (pro or con) in his experience at sdsu, this is a really interesting article.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2022-02-20/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-basketball-3-thoughts-fresno-state-matt-bradley-orlando-robinson-trey-pulliam?_amp=true

The premise of the article is that, in their game Friday night vs Fresno St., Bradley might have played his best game of the year despite scoring only 2 points on 1-8 shooting from the field (mind you, MB was coming off a five-game streak of averaging around 25 ppg and having made 19 of 32 3-pointers, 59%).

His teammate said this about Matt:

"They were doubling Matt, and he was playing really smart," said Chad Baker-Mazara, who was the biggest beneficiary, finishing with a season-high 20 points on 6 of 7 shooting. "They were sending two, three guys at him, and he was looking for guys like me who were wide open and provided shots for us.

"That's the great thing about his game. He's not, 'I'm going to shoot it even though I have three guys on me.' He's a team guy who just wants to win."
I think part of what happened with Matt here was that he felt he had to score or else we would struggle. So in a way he was thinking about the team. But then guys that could shoot like Grant or could score inside like Kelly, wouldn't get as many touches. In any case, we're bad with and bad without him so really it doesn't matter. Good for Matt though, I hope he's finding a way to make the team better without volume shooting.
Even in modern basketball, the decision to take the ball and try to score with it is not always made by the player who receives the ball. Sometimes a coach will tell his players to get the ball to a player with the hot hand, or get the ball to the team's best player or scorer. On other occasions, it can be a group decision by the players on the floor, to get the ball to the best player or scorer, or a player who has the hot hand, sometimes disregarding the coach's instruction.

In football, the quarterback is usually the best athlete on a team, and some of them will take it upon himself to score on 4th and inches on the goal line with no time left. The great 49er quarterback, Y.A. Tittle, used to tell this story: "When we are on a drive, players will tell me in the huddle, that they can get open for a certain pass play, or a lineman will tell me that he can handle a defensive lineman, so run the the play over him. When we got down to 4th and 1 at the goal, none of my teammates would have a suggestion. The huddle was so quiet, you could hear a pin drop. I looked over at the sideline, for a suggestion, but all the coaches were looking elsewhere, and not at me. I realized then, that it was all up to me, to call the right play and run it. "

In the 1937 Rose Bowl with Cal leading Alabama 7-0, late in the 4th quarter, on 4th and 1 yard to go for a clinching TD, coach Stub Allison sent in a play. In the huddle, halfback Vic Bottari sent the play back to the coach, and called his own play. He then ran it in for the TD and the win.

Considering that Matt Bradley's coaches were not known as offensive geniuses, and neither Fox's teams or Wyking's teams ran sophisticated offenses, IMO, I'd guess that either the coaches told their teams to give the Bradley the ball more often, or the players themselves took it upon themselves to get Bradley the ball more often, and were happy to have him shoot it as much as he did.
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SFCityBear said:

KoreAmBear said:

drizzlybear said:

I understand those who don't need to hear anymore about Matt Bradley. Feel free to ignore this post. But for those with interest (pro or con) in his experience at sdsu, this is a really interesting article.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2022-02-20/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-basketball-3-thoughts-fresno-state-matt-bradley-orlando-robinson-trey-pulliam?_amp=true

The premise of the article is that, in their game Friday night vs Fresno St., Bradley might have played his best game of the year despite scoring only 2 points on 1-8 shooting from the field (mind you, MB was coming off a five-game streak of averaging around 25 ppg and having made 19 of 32 3-pointers, 59%).

His teammate said this about Matt:

"They were doubling Matt, and he was playing really smart," said Chad Baker-Mazara, who was the biggest beneficiary, finishing with a season-high 20 points on 6 of 7 shooting. "They were sending two, three guys at him, and he was looking for guys like me who were wide open and provided shots for us.

"That's the great thing about his game. He's not, 'I'm going to shoot it even though I have three guys on me.' He's a team guy who just wants to win."
I think part of what happened with Matt here was that he felt he had to score or else we would struggle. So in a way he was thinking about the team. But then guys that could shoot like Grant or could score inside like Kelly, wouldn't get as many touches. In any case, we're bad with and bad without him so really it doesn't matter. Good for Matt though, I hope he's finding a way to make the team better without volume shooting.
Even in modern basketball, the decision to take the ball and try to score with it is not always made by the player who receives the ball. Sometimes a coach will tell his players to get the ball to a player with the hot hand, or get the ball to the team's best player or scorer. On other occasions, it can be a group decision by the players on the floor, to get the ball to the best player or scorer, or a player who has the hot hand, sometimes disregarding the coach's instruction.

In football, the quarterback is usually the best athlete on a team, and some of them will take it upon himself to score on 4th and inches on the goal line with no time left. The great 49er quarterback, Y.A. Tittle, used to tell this story: "When we are on a drive, players will tell me in the huddle, that they can get open for a certain pass play, or a lineman will tell me that he can handle a defensive lineman, so run the the play over him. When we got down to 4th and 1 at the goal, none of my teammates would have a suggestion. The huddle was so quiet, you could hear a pin drop. I looked over at the sideline, for a suggestion, but all the coaches were looking elsewhere, and not at me. I realized then, that it was all up to me, to call the right play and run it. "

In the 1937 Rose Bowl with Cal leading Alabama 7-0, late in the 4th quarter, on 4th and 1 yard to go for a clinching TD, coach Stub Allison sent in a play. In the huddle, halfback Vic Bottari sent the play back to the coach, and called his own play. He then ran it in for the TD and the win.

Considering that Matt Bradley's coaches were not known as offensive geniuses, and neither Fox's teams or Wyking's teams ran sophisticated offenses, IMO, I'd guess that either the coaches told their teams to give the Bradley the ball more often, or the players themselves took it upon themselves to get Bradley the ball more often, and were happy to have him shoot it as much as he did.


Fox, both at Georgia and at Cal, often ran/runs the "pass the ball around and burn clock then get the ball into the hands of our best player to take a shot before the buzzer" offense.

Braun and Cuonzo often ran the same offense. It is not the fault of the best player that they are the best player.
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Wow, Bradley announced he's returning to sdsu next season. That hurts extra.

https://www.eastvillagetimes.com/breaking-matt-bradley-adam-seiko-returning-for-aztecs-in-2022-2023/



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drizzlybear said:

Wow, Bradley announced he's returning to sdsu next season. That hurts extra.

https://www.eastvillagetimes.com/breaking-matt-bradley-adam-seiko-returning-for-aztecs-in-2022-2023/




He is clearly having fun. Happy for him and I'll be rooting for him.
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calumnus said:

drizzlybear said:

Wow, Bradley announced he's returning to sdsu next season. That hurts extra.

https://www.eastvillagetimes.com/breaking-matt-bradley-adam-seiko-returning-for-aztecs-in-2022-2023/




He is clearly having fun. Happy for him and I'll be rooting for him.
He is having fun and says 1) coaching staff is better/communicates effectively and is more supportive of the players 2) players as a full group, care more about being the best they can be - meaning that while several players at Cal definitely put forth consistent effort, its not as deep through out the roster, as with SDS.
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drizzlybear said:

Wow, Bradley announced he's returning to sdsu next season. That hurts extra.

https://www.eastvillagetimes.com/breaking-matt-bradley-adam-seiko-returning-for-aztecs-in-2022-2023/

I am sure he realized he wasn't going to get drafted in the 1st round if at all.

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I still have a fondness for Bradley and wish him well. That said, only the pettier, less-pretty side of me still has an interest in him. To wit...

I wonder who the Cal player(s) were who disappointed Matty with their lack of all-out commitment to winning?

I wonder how a piss ant San Diego State diploma looks, next to a University of California, Berkeley one?
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I still have a fondness for Bradley and wish him well. That said, only the pettier, less-pretty side of me still has an interest in him. To wit...

I wonder who the Cal player(s) were who disappointed Matty with their lack of all-out commitment to winning?

I wonder how a piss ant San Diego State diploma looks, next to a University of California, Berkeley one?

That he doesn't care shows you where his priorities lie.

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dimitrig said:

Big C said:


I still have a fondness for Bradley and wish him well. That said, only the pettier, less-pretty side of me still has an interest in him. To wit...

I wonder who the Cal player(s) were who disappointed Matty with their lack of all-out commitment to winning?

I wonder how a piss ant San Diego State diploma looks, next to a University of California, Berkeley one?

That he doesn't care shows you where his priorities lie.


I find it very understandable that a young man who is essentially majoring in basketball would look at the two situations and decide that San Diego State would lead to better success in his chosen field than Cal would. 4thGenCal's posts also make it clear that if your goal is to maximize your chance of success in basketball, SDSU is offering a significantly better environment than Cal.

In fact, I see it as an enormous indictment of our basketball program that this is the case.
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CalLifer said:

dimitrig said:

Big C said:


I still have a fondness for Bradley and wish him well. That said, only the pettier, less-pretty side of me still has an interest in him. To wit...

I wonder who the Cal player(s) were who disappointed Matty with their lack of all-out commitment to winning?

I wonder how a piss ant San Diego State diploma looks, next to a University of California, Berkeley one?

That he doesn't care shows you where his priorities lie.


I find it very understandable that a young man who is essentially majoring in basketball would look at the two situations and decide that San Diego State would lead to better success in his chosen field than Cal would. 4thGenCal's posts also make it clear that if your goal is to maximize your chance of success in basketball, SDSU is offering a significantly better environment than Cal.

In fact, I see it as an enormous indictment of our basketball program that this is the case.

I get it. Transferring might have been his best move. Down the road, he may never be in a position where he needs to compare his SDS diploma with a Cal one.

My problem with Matt Bradley leaving Cal was simply that I am a Cal alum and Cal Basketball fan.
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CalLifer said:

dimitrig said:

Big C said:


I still have a fondness for Bradley and wish him well. That said, only the pettier, less-pretty side of me still has an interest in him. To wit...

I wonder who the Cal player(s) were who disappointed Matty with their lack of all-out commitment to winning?

I wonder how a piss ant San Diego State diploma looks, next to a University of California, Berkeley one?

That he doesn't care shows you where his priorities lie.


I find it very understandable that a young man who is essentially majoring in basketball would look at the two situations and decide that San Diego State would lead to better success in his chosen field than Cal would. 4thGenCal's posts also make it clear that if your goal is to maximize your chance of success in basketball, SDSU is offering a significantly better environment than Cal.

In fact, I see it as an enormous indictment of our basketball program that this is the case.


Agreed. Matt will be in the NCAA Tournament this year and likely again next year. Can anyone honestly say that would have been the case if he stayed? That alone, is HUGE if you are a college basketball player who grew up in the US watching the Tournament. It almost doesn't matter what comes after, but his future prospects in basketball will undoubtedly be better now too.
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Big C said:

CalLifer said:

dimitrig said:

Big C said:


I still have a fondness for Bradley and wish him well. That said, only the pettier, less-pretty side of me still has an interest in him. To wit...

I wonder who the Cal player(s) were who disappointed Matty with their lack of all-out commitment to winning?

I wonder how a piss ant San Diego State diploma looks, next to a University of California, Berkeley one?

That he doesn't care shows you where his priorities lie.


I find it very understandable that a young man who is essentially majoring in basketball would look at the two situations and decide that San Diego State would lead to better success in his chosen field than Cal would. 4thGenCal's posts also make it clear that if your goal is to maximize your chance of success in basketball, SDSU is offering a significantly better environment than Cal.

In fact, I see it as an enormous indictment of our basketball program that this is the case.

I get it. Transferring might have been his best move. Down the road, he may never be in a position where he needs to compare his SDS diploma with a Cal one.

My problem with Matt Bradley leaving Cal was simply that I am a Cal alum and Cal Basketball fan.
I am also a Cal alum and Cal Basketball fan, but I see this as much more that Bradley leaving shines a bright spotlight on the issues at the core of our rotting program. This is not some malcontent who was unhappy about playing time on a top-tier team, or a troublemaker. This was the best player on a team who had given his all for the team going from a P5 team to a non-P5 team because the non-P5 team would be significantly better for him for the career he wants to pursue. I understand that there was nothing that was going to cause Knowlton to get rid of his coach after two seasons, but your best player leaving for what should be a lesser program should have been a big neon arrow pointing in that direction.
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CalLifer said:

Big C said:

CalLifer said:

dimitrig said:

Big C said:


I still have a fondness for Bradley and wish him well. That said, only the pettier, less-pretty side of me still has an interest in him. To wit...

I wonder who the Cal player(s) were who disappointed Matty with their lack of all-out commitment to winning?

I wonder how a piss ant San Diego State diploma looks, next to a University of California, Berkeley one?

That he doesn't care shows you where his priorities lie.


I find it very understandable that a young man who is essentially majoring in basketball would look at the two situations and decide that San Diego State would lead to better success in his chosen field than Cal would. 4thGenCal's posts also make it clear that if your goal is to maximize your chance of success in basketball, SDSU is offering a significantly better environment than Cal.

In fact, I see it as an enormous indictment of our basketball program that this is the case.

I get it. Transferring might have been his best move. Down the road, he may never be in a position where he needs to compare his SDS diploma with a Cal one.

My problem with Matt Bradley leaving Cal was simply that I am a Cal alum and Cal Basketball fan.
I am also a Cal alum and Cal Basketball fan, but I see this as much more that Bradley leaving shines a bright spotlight on the issues at the core of our rotting program. This is not some malcontent who was unhappy about playing time on a top-tier team, or a troublemaker. This was the best player on a team who had given his all for the team going from a P5 team to a non-P5 team because the non-P5 team would be significantly better for him for the career he wants to pursue. I understand that there was nothing that was going to cause Knowlton to get rid of his coach after two seasons, but your best player leaving for what should be a lesser program should have been a big neon arrow pointing in that direction.

I can't disagree with that at all.
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CalLifer said:

Big C said:

CalLifer said:

dimitrig said:

Big C said:


I still have a fondness for Bradley and wish him well. That said, only the pettier, less-pretty side of me still has an interest in him. To wit...

I wonder who the Cal player(s) were who disappointed Matty with their lack of all-out commitment to winning?

I wonder how a piss ant San Diego State diploma looks, next to a University of California, Berkeley one?

That he doesn't care shows you where his priorities lie.


I find it very understandable that a young man who is essentially majoring in basketball would look at the two situations and decide that San Diego State would lead to better success in his chosen field than Cal would. 4thGenCal's posts also make it clear that if your goal is to maximize your chance of success in basketball, SDSU is offering a significantly better environment than Cal.

In fact, I see it as an enormous indictment of our basketball program that this is the case.

I get it. Transferring might have been his best move. Down the road, he may never be in a position where he needs to compare his SDS diploma with a Cal one.

My problem with Matt Bradley leaving Cal was simply that I am a Cal alum and Cal Basketball fan.
I am also a Cal alum and Cal Basketball fan, but I see this as much more that Bradley leaving shines a bright spotlight on the issues at the core of our rotting program. This is not some malcontent who was unhappy about playing time on a top-tier team, or a troublemaker. This was the best player on a team who had given his all for the team going from a P5 team to a non-P5 team because the non-P5 team would be significantly better for him for the career he wants to pursue. I understand that there was nothing that was going to cause Knowlton to get rid of his coach after two seasons, but your best player leaving for what should be a lesser program should have been a big neon arrow pointing in that direction.
Very good observation. However, since Fisher came to SDSU, most folks that don't wear Blue shades would probably argue that SDSU basketball is not the lesser program for quite some time - long before FOX or Knowlton were at Cal.
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BeachedBear said:

CalLifer said:

Big C said:

CalLifer said:

dimitrig said:

Big C said:


I still have a fondness for Bradley and wish him well. That said, only the pettier, less-pretty side of me still has an interest in him. To wit...

I wonder who the Cal player(s) were who disappointed Matty with their lack of all-out commitment to winning?

I wonder how a piss ant San Diego State diploma looks, next to a University of California, Berkeley one?

That he doesn't care shows you where his priorities lie.


I find it very understandable that a young man who is essentially majoring in basketball would look at the two situations and decide that San Diego State would lead to better success in his chosen field than Cal would. 4thGenCal's posts also make it clear that if your goal is to maximize your chance of success in basketball, SDSU is offering a significantly better environment than Cal.

In fact, I see it as an enormous indictment of our basketball program that this is the case.

I get it. Transferring might have been his best move. Down the road, he may never be in a position where he needs to compare his SDS diploma with a Cal one.

My problem with Matt Bradley leaving Cal was simply that I am a Cal alum and Cal Basketball fan.
I am also a Cal alum and Cal Basketball fan, but I see this as much more that Bradley leaving shines a bright spotlight on the issues at the core of our rotting program. This is not some malcontent who was unhappy about playing time on a top-tier team, or a troublemaker. This was the best player on a team who had given his all for the team going from a P5 team to a non-P5 team because the non-P5 team would be significantly better for him for the career he wants to pursue. I understand that there was nothing that was going to cause Knowlton to get rid of his coach after two seasons, but your best player leaving for what should be a lesser program should have been a big neon arrow pointing in that direction.
Very good observation. However, since Fisher came to SDSU, most folks that don't wear Blue shades would probably argue that SDSU basketball is not the lesser program for quite some time - long before FOX or Knowlton were at Cal.


I agree with you that SDSU is clearly the better program, although I will posit that as recent as the Monty/Cuonzo years the two programs were closer to even. My point is that Cal shouldn't be so clearly a lesser program than SDSU; that we are is a tremendous indictment on the AD and the coach.
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CalLifer said:

BeachedBear said:

CalLifer said:

Big C said:

CalLifer said:

dimitrig said:

Big C said:


I still have a fondness for Bradley and wish him well. That said, only the pettier, less-pretty side of me still has an interest in him. To wit...

I wonder who the Cal player(s) were who disappointed Matty with their lack of all-out commitment to winning?

I wonder how a piss ant San Diego State diploma looks, next to a University of California, Berkeley one?

That he doesn't care shows you where his priorities lie.


I find it very understandable that a young man who is essentially majoring in basketball would look at the two situations and decide that San Diego State would lead to better success in his chosen field than Cal would. 4thGenCal's posts also make it clear that if your goal is to maximize your chance of success in basketball, SDSU is offering a significantly better environment than Cal.

In fact, I see it as an enormous indictment of our basketball program that this is the case.

I get it. Transferring might have been his best move. Down the road, he may never be in a position where he needs to compare his SDS diploma with a Cal one.

My problem with Matt Bradley leaving Cal was simply that I am a Cal alum and Cal Basketball fan.
I am also a Cal alum and Cal Basketball fan, but I see this as much more that Bradley leaving shines a bright spotlight on the issues at the core of our rotting program. This is not some malcontent who was unhappy about playing time on a top-tier team, or a troublemaker. This was the best player on a team who had given his all for the team going from a P5 team to a non-P5 team because the non-P5 team would be significantly better for him for the career he wants to pursue. I understand that there was nothing that was going to cause Knowlton to get rid of his coach after two seasons, but your best player leaving for what should be a lesser program should have been a big neon arrow pointing in that direction.
Very good observation. However, since Fisher came to SDSU, most folks that don't wear Blue shades would probably argue that SDSU basketball is not the lesser program for quite some time - long before FOX or Knowlton were at Cal.


I agree with you that SDSU is clearly the better program, although I will posit that as recent as the Monty/Cuonzo years the two programs were closer to even. My point is that Cal shouldn't be so clearly a lesser program than SDSU; that we are is a tremendous indictment on the AD and the coach.
Yes - very comparable during Monty/Cuonzo. More a testament to changes at SDSU over the last couple decades across the board. Much different than it was when I was a student at Cal in the 80s. The delta between Cal/UCLA and the other UCs as well as the top CSUs has narrowed dramatically since I was a student.
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It's silly to knock a basketball program because of the conference it's in. It's true that the average P5 team should be better than the average non-P5 team, but there are numerous exceptions, Gonzaga being the obvious example.

SDSU has been a better basketball program than most P12 programs and most P5 programs for a while now. They'll be going to the tournament again this year, whereas as many as nine P12 teams will not.

I think everyone agrees that Cal (rarely a basketball power) has recently fallen to a particularly and unacceptably bad place. While I get that the point of the original comment on this topic was about the value of the degrees (and there, of course, there's no comparison), for a basketball player looking to play in the ncaa tournament and possibly in the nba, it is completely understandable that a player would choose sdsu over Cal these days, regardless of the respective conferences. And Cal is certainly not alone in the P12 nor the P5 in that regard.
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Big C said:


I still have a fondness for Bradley and wish him well. That said, only the pettier, less-pretty side of me still has an interest in him. To wit...

I wonder who the Cal player(s) were who disappointed Matty with their lack of all-out commitment to winning?

I wonder how a piss ant San Diego State diploma looks, next to a University of California, Berkeley one?
To be brutally honest, as long as you're not in academia, a couple of years after graduation it looks exactly the same. I love Cal, but the Cal grads didn't walk on water when we went there and they don't now.
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