Cal in Sagarin: 11th overall, 11th in Recent

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Loss to Utah at home overcame the good of the Oregon win on the road for Cal, but did huge damage to Oregon

https://sagarin.usatoday.com/2022-2/college-basketball-conference-ratings-2021-22/

Bobodeluxe
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Damn.

6 slots behind Missouri.

The Con has his game

ON!
HoopDreams
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calumnus said:

Loss to Utah at home overcame the good of the Oregon win on the road for Cal, but did huge damage to Oregon

https://sagarin.usatoday.com/2022-2/college-basketball-conference-ratings-2021-22/


We got a top 50 win!
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HoopDreams said:

calumnus said:

Loss to Utah at home overcame the good of the Oregon win on the road for Cal, but did huge damage to Oregon

https://sagarin.usatoday.com/2022-2/college-basketball-conference-ratings-2021-22/


We got a top 50 win!
From a selection committee point of view, more importantly, WE GOT A QUAD 1 WIN!!

Although Oregon is only 67 in the NET rankings, Quad 1 is determined in part by whether the game is home, neutral, or road. Home wins vs. 1-30, neutral wins vs. 1-50, and road wins vs. 1-75. So long as the Ducks can stay in the top 75, it is a Quad 1 win.

Our only other wins over top 100 teams in the NET rankings are Fresno St. (currently at 66, one in front of Oregon), and Santa Clara (73), but they were home wins and those teams stand zero chance of getting to the top 30 to make them Quad 1 wins. So, barring something astounding, Oregon will be our "best" win of the year, although it could get shoved out of Quad 1 win status if Oregon drops below 75.

The 1-7 record versus Quad 1 teams isn't what what makes Cal horrible this year. WSU is 49 in NET rankings but 0-6 vs Quad 1, although that Quad 1 record makes them pretty dead as an at large tourney team. Cal's Quad 2 and especially Quad 3 records are sad, 2-6 versus Quad 2, and 1-3 versus Quad 3.

And we're not exactly pretty against Quad 4, 7-1 but the one loss not even close to being a Quad 3 loss, for home games Quad 4 is teams 161-353, and UCSD sits at 260, but we also have at least a couple of really close Quad 4 losses, the double OT win over Southern Utah in a game where Southern Utah lost a point because our scorekeeper didn't count a Southern Utah FT, and the 2 point win at OSU. Ideally, you want a blowout win in every Quad 4 game, but that hasn't been Cal this year.

Pac-12 NET rankings as of today:

Arizona 2
UCLA 13
USC 24
WSU 49
Oregon 67
Colorado 81
Stanford 105
ASU 118
Utah 122
UW 132
Cal 139
OSU 252

It is not looking like the Pac gets more than 3 teams, barring an upset win in the tourney. With WSU 0-6 versus Quad 1 and having a Quad 4 loss (and 3 Quad 3 losses), they are almost certainly done. Oregon doesn't have much going for them outside the wins at UCLA and USC, and has some pretty bad looking losses (they have a 3-3 Quad 3 record, including the home loss to Cal).
Econ141
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Looks like we'll be back in the tournament (NCAA or NIT) soon!
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Cal8285 said:

HoopDreams said:

calumnus said:

Loss to Utah at home overcame the good of the Oregon win on the road for Cal, but did huge damage to Oregon

https://sagarin.usatoday.com/2022-2/college-basketball-conference-ratings-2021-22/


We got a top 50 win!
From a selection committee point of view, more importantly, WE GOT A QUAD 1 WIN!!

Although Oregon is only 67 in the NET rankings, Quad 1 is determined in part by whether the game is home, neutral, or road. Home wins vs. 1-30, neutral wins vs. 1-50, and road wins vs. 1-75. So long as the Ducks can stay in the top 75, it is a Quad 1 win.

Our only other wins over top 100 teams in the NET rankings are Fresno St. (currently at 66, one in front of Oregon), and Santa Clara (73), but they were home wins and those teams stand zero chance of getting to the top 30 to make them Quad 1 wins. So, barring something astounding, Oregon will be our "best" win of the year, although it could get shoved out of Quad 1 win status if Oregon drops below 75.

The 1-7 record versus Quad 1 teams isn't what what makes Cal horrible this year. WSU is 49 in NET rankings but 0-6 vs Quad 1, although that Quad 1 record makes them pretty dead as an at large tourney team. Cal's Quad 2 and especially Quad 3 records are sad, 2-6 versus Quad 2, and 1-3 versus Quad 3.

And we're not exactly pretty against Quad 4, 7-1 but the one loss not even close to being a Quad 3 loss, for home games Quad 4 is teams 161-353, and UCSD sits at 260, but we also have at least a couple of really close Quad 4 losses, the double OT win over Southern Utah in a game where Southern Utah lost a point because our scorekeeper didn't count a Southern Utah FT, and the 2 point win at OSU. Ideally, you want a blowout win in every Quad 4 game, but that hasn't been Cal this year.

Pac-12 NET rankings as of today:

Arizona 2
UCLA 13
USC 24
WSU 49
Oregon 67
Colorado 81
Stanford 105
ASU 118
Utah 122
UW 132
Cal 139
OSU 252

It is not looking like the Pac gets more than 3 teams, barring an upset win in the tourney. With WSU 0-6 versus Quad 1 and having a Quad 4 loss (and 3 Quad 3 losses), they are almost certainly done. Oregon doesn't have much going for them outside the wins at UCLA and USC, and has some pretty bad looking losses (they have a 3-3 Quad 3 record, including the home loss to Cal).


At least we don't have to debate whether Kyle Smith was a better hire than Mark Fox. The argument for the apologists now is Cal didn't talk to him because "we knew we had zero chance competing against WSU"
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