Sources: Missouri has parted ways with Cuonzo Martin.

— Jon Rothstein (@JonRothstein) March 11, 2022

RJABear said:

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Sources: Missouri has parted ways with Cuonzo Martin.

— Jon Rothstein (@JonRothstein) March 11, 2022

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BeachedBear said:

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If my memory is correct, the ONLY former CalmBball coach still employed is Todd Bozeman?

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parentswerebears said:

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When is the Fox is fired Jon Rothstein tweet? Not soon enough.

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wifeisafurd said:

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RJABear said:

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Sources: Missouri has parted ways with Cuonzo Martin.

— Jon Rothstein (@JonRothstein) March 11, 2022

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Is the source Jon "Haase is gone" Wilner?

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4thGenCal said:

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CalLifer said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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The Con gets canned. Just a terrible coach.

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I find it amazing to read these types of statements after 3 seasons of Mark Fox. Those that can sit here and call someone who took Cal to its highest seed in the NCAA tournament in the 64 team era while working under an incompetent AD a terrible coach appear to have some other agenda.

Is he a perfect coach? No. But to trash him while we are in the Fox era is laughable.

For a different opinion:

A few thoughts on Cuonzo Martin’s departure at Mizzou:

•He did his job bringing the program back from a really bad place. He left Mizzou hoops in a better spot than he found it.
•Recruiting was an issue, but he seemed to get the most out of his guys.
•Genuinely good man.

— Peter Baugh (@Peter_Baugh) March 12, 2022

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So true and I certainly respected his character building and personal accountability standards Cuonzo set for the program. Players were required to sit in the first row in class, no cell phones out, bi weekly staff/professor updates on the academic standing/class attendance of his student athletes. Basketball wise a tough no nonsense coach, excellent recruiter who related very well to those young men from tough backgrounds (as he was as well). Defensively his team was solid and would also agree that more emphasis in practice could have been given to the offensive sets etc.Sam Singer would say that often 2/3+ of practice time was focused on defense. I was fortunate to have been asked to speak to the team and was impressed at the quality/character of players, ability to engage with thoughtful questions and the respect the players had for Him. He left not to be closer to his home, (His wife was very sad to leave) or because there was a larger package, but rather because he was not able to get in minimum five+ players (studs) who wanted to play for him but were turned down by admissions. He told me, "when a person's background is truly understood and the obstacles overcome, chances sometimes are warranted". I would not have succeeded had I not been given a chance to attend Purdue". He felt he could not consistently win(compete for conf titles) with the admission standards. Yes academic support must be put in place and constantly monitored, but there are marginal applicants that can and would succeed. Lack of support from Williams also turned him off - his extension contract sat on the AD desk for many months (the only assistant coach he ever hired that he did not know and relied on other's recommendation - bit him in the butt Huffnagel)

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Big C said:

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bearister said:

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He had one of the better players in the NBA in Jaylen Brown, and yet he could not coach him up enough to keep him off the bench with 3 charging fouls 2 minutes into many seconds halfs.

Raab cost himself millions sticking around a 2nd season in a rudderless program as his NBA draft status dropped like a whale dump. He received no coaching help (like Lars has).

We were at a distinct disadvantage in the last 2 minutes of any close game because of lack of coaching.

He is a good man, and a good recruiter but he is not a good coach and there is an avalanche of evidence to prove that.

So the fact Fox may not be a good recruiter or coach gives Cuonzo a shield from criticism?

Cuonzo has made generational wealth for his family so he is a lot shrewder business man than most of us…but a good coach, he is not.

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Hardly any coach checks all the boxes. Martin's one major weakness was coaching offense. Maybe developing players was also suspect. He may have fell victim to the time honored fault of not hiring assistants that could shore up his own weaknesses. Overall, he was one of the better coaches we've had in the past 50 years, certainly better than his two successors.

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Big C said:

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^^^ LOL, you win. ^^^

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4thGenCal said:

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bearister said:

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Big C said:

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bearister said:

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He had one of the better players in the NBA in Jaylen Brown, and yet he could not coach him up enough to keep him off the bench with 3 charging fouls 2 minutes into many seconds halfs.

Raab cost himself millions sticking around a 2nd season in a rudderless program as his NBA draft status dropped like a whale dump. He received no coaching help (like Lars has).

We were at a distinct disadvantage in the last 2 minutes of any close game because of lack of coaching.

He is a good man, and a good recruiter but he is not a good coach and there is an avalanche of evidence to prove that.

So the fact Fox may not be a good recruiter or coach gives Cuonzo a shield from criticism?

Cuonzo has made generational wealth for his family so he is a lot shrewder business man than most of us…but a good coach, he is not.

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Hardly any coach checks all the boxes. Martin's one major weakness was coaching offense. Maybe developing players was also suspect. He may have fell victim to the time honored fault of not hiring assistants that could shore up his own weaknesses. Overall, he was one of the better coaches we've had in the past 50 years, certainly better than his two successors.

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Monty was an X and O guy too burned out to give a crap about recruiting…. but still a better coach than Cuonzo by a significant exponential factor.

Braun was .703 at Cal. Cuonzo was .629 with two elite players…..and he was driving the program rapidly into the sh@itter. Cuonzo has a slightly higher winning percentage after 14 years than Braun after 29 years, but if Cuonzo can even stay in the game, his record will be a southbound train going down on a graph because his ability to recruit and get a gig at a good program are decreasing.

He was better than Wyking. I will let someone else compare and contrast with Fox because I could care less.

Hey, you still think Vanover is the "one that got away," so W@T@F do you know anyway?



*Bonus question: Did Cuonzo even have a inbounds play? If so, I never discerned it, and it sure never worked because the Bears usually went tits up in the last minute of tight games.

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Surprising that a 62-39 overall record at Cal (including 2 of 3 upper half conf finishes and three straight winning overall records) would be a label for "a good coach, he is not". The program clearly misses him and by any objective measure would label Cuonzo as a "good coach" at Cal. Btw regarding not being able to corral a 19 year Jaylen Brown (not a fair comparision to a mature mentally and physically older Pro) is a harsh assessment without understanding what Cuonzo and the staff were dealing with. Several times Cuonzo would meet one on one with Jaylen, and show video clips of Jaylen forcing a drive into traffic and either having a TO, or an off balance shot. Cuonzo would clearly show the open kick out to an uncontested team mate and Jaylen would agree, only to revert back to similar mistakes.
The issue that Cuonzo fought and lost, was several family members were in Jaylen's ear, that he needed to create and score more points to get a high draft selection. Jaylen while remarkably mature off the court, was impressionable and often defaulted to his "advisors". I long for a 19-0 home court record and the highest post season seeding (4th but ended with 2 starters out with injuries) is a very long time. Final point ,the players on his team overall were Very supportive of him/believed in his coaching and appreciated the life leasons he imparted to them.

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Big C said:

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bearister said:

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He had one of the better players in the NBA in Jaylen Brown, and yet he could not coach him up enough to keep him off the bench with 3 charging fouls 2 minutes into many seconds halfs.

Raab cost himself millions sticking around a 2nd season in a rudderless program as his NBA draft status dropped like a whale dump. He received no coaching help (like Lars has).

We were at a distinct disadvantage in the last 2 minutes of any close game because of lack of coaching.

He is a good man, and a good recruiter but he is not a good coach and there is an avalanche of evidence to prove that.

So the fact Fox may not be a good recruiter or coach gives Cuonzo a shield from criticism?

Cuonzo has made generational wealth for his family so he is a lot shrewder business man than most of us…but a good coach, he is not.

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Hardly any coach checks all the boxes. Martin's one major weakness was coaching offense. Maybe developing players was also suspect. He may have fell victim to the time honored fault of not hiring assistants that could shore up his own weaknesses. Overall, he was one of the better coaches we've had in the past 50 years, certainly better than his two successors.

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Civil Bear said:

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BeachedBear said:

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Martin>Fox>Jones

What's being left out of this is who Martin had to deal with (Williams/Dierks) vs Fox. Most folks won't accept or discount how poorly those two impacted Cal's ability to function in the Bball world. 4thGen mentioned a couple of key points, but there is more. Martin didn't like or respect his bosses and pretty much the entire coaching fraternity knew about it (and agreed).

Like HD, I agree that we'd all probably be happier today, if CM was still our coach, but Christ and Knowlton had moved into their current roles. I'm sure we'd be complaining about something, but it would be things we WISH we could complain about. Like "I can't believe we lost that recruit to Arizona". Whereas today - we don't even recruit the same players.

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So what is Martin's excuse at Missouri with no recruiting restrictions? The Tigers ended up at 206 in the RPI power rankings against Cal's 216. Would most Cal fans really be any happier with that?

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bearister said:

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I attended in person every game Cuonzo Martin coached at Haas. I watched every away game on TV. I attended the now infamous NIT game at Haas that he coached.

With that said, I would not be happier had he stayed. As far as I am concerned, he and his assistant coach administered the kill shot to Cal basketball.

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4thGenCal said:

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CalLifer said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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The Con gets canned. Just a terrible coach.

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I find it amazing to read these types of statements after 3 seasons of Mark Fox. Those that can sit here and call someone who took Cal to its highest seed in the NCAA tournament in the 64 team era while working under an incompetent AD a terrible coach appear to have some other agenda.

Is he a perfect coach? No. But to trash him while we are in the Fox era is laughable.

For a different opinion:

A few thoughts on Cuonzo Martin’s departure at Mizzou:

•He did his job bringing the program back from a really bad place. He left Mizzou hoops in a better spot than he found it.
•Recruiting was an issue, but he seemed to get the most out of his guys.
•Genuinely good man.

— Peter Baugh (@Peter_Baugh) March 12, 2022

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So true and I certainly respected his character building and personal accountability standards Cuonzo set for the program. Players were required to sit in the first row in class, no cell phones out, bi weekly staff/professor updates on the academic standing/class attendance of his student athletes. Basketball wise a tough no nonsense coach, excellent recruiter who related very well to those young men from tough backgrounds (as he was as well). Defensively his team was solid and would also agree that more emphasis in practice could have been given to the offensive sets etc.Sam Singer would say that often 2/3+ of practice time was focused on defense. I was fortunate to have been asked to speak to the team and was impressed at the quality/character of players, ability to engage with thoughtful questions and the respect the players had for Him. He left not to be closer to his home, (His wife was very sad to leave) or because there was a larger package, but rather because he was not able to get in minimum five+ players (studs) who wanted to play for him but were turned down by admissions. He told me, "when a person's background is truly understood and the obstacles overcome, chances sometimes are warranted". I would not have succeeded had I not been given a chance to attend Purdue". He felt he could not consistently win(compete for conf titles) with the admission standards. Yes academic support must be put in place and constantly monitored, but there are marginal applicants that can and would succeed. Lack of support from Williams also turned him off - his extension contract sat on the AD desk for many months (the only assistant coach he ever hired that he did not know and relied on other's recommendation - bit him in the butt Huffnagel)

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