2022-23 Outlook

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Calboy23
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It was another rough year for Cal Basketball as there were flashes of good play but it did not always translate on the scoreboard. Like many of you I believe Fox's seat is hotter than ever so unless major changes happen recruiting/development/transfer portal it'll possibly be another long year.

The Good:
- We will be returning 14 player (pending portal and if Andre Kelly uses his 5th year option)
- If Andre Kelly returns he will be poised to make a breakout year and be a leader on the team
- This will be an experienced team with 8 Seniors, 2 Juniors and 3 Sophomores making what could be a dangerous team.

The Bad:
- We will be losing Jordan Shepherd, Grant Anticevich, and Makale Foreman
- We will be losing 2 of our 3 top scorers in Shepherd and Anticevich
- Offense is still desperately needed

Offseason needs:
- Attack the portal: This will be a huge one to get an upgrade in offense. There are many athletes looking for homes that could be an instant impact such as Tyreke Key Guard from Indiana State (17ppg, 5rpg, 1spg), Jayden Martinez Forward from New Hampshire (15ppg, 6rpg, 42% from 3) and Neal Quinn Center out of Lafayette (15ppg, 7rpg, 40% from 3)

- 3pt% is needed to be emphasized: Cal shot on average 30.8% from deep shooting about 18 attempts per game (last in the Pac-12). That puts Cal at 320 out of 358 D1 teams. When your defense is holding team on average 30.9% (1st in the Pac-12) from deep you are playing very good defense on the arch but you need to make them pay behind the arch. I do not believe the solution is playing live or die by the 3 but if Cal bumped up their make percentage by 3.2% making their 3p% 34% that would make them an average/good 3pt team and move them near 165 out of 358 team and 5th in the Pac-12. Out of the 18 games the shot under 29% from 3 their were 3-13. When they shot over 29.1% they were 9-7. When they shot over the 34% I was talking about earlier they are 7-4.

Keys to next year:

- Get to the number 70: This one ties into more offense obviously but Cal was 8-2 when they scored 70 or more points and 4-18 when they did not. Which outside of the Arizona and Southern Utah game they shot at a 45% FGM or higher. When they shot 45% from the field or higher they were 8-3. If Andre Kelly decides to come back he will be a key factor on how this team performs offensively.

- Make slight improvements on defense but take care of the ball the same: Despite the rough season Cal only allowed 11 turnovers a game (2nd in Pac-12) and displayed nice passing multiple times a game. Sharing the rock and taking care of the ball isn't the issue it is just putting it in the basket. Defensively we were the worst in the Pac-12 at forcing turnovers but were in the top 5 in almost every other category. 1st in Pac-12 and 14th in the NCAA for number of assist given up, 1st in Pac-12 and 48th in NCAA in Opponent made 3pt, 4th in PAC-12 with Points allowed.

Win games that should've gone our way: A few games stick out to me that Cal should have very much won last year but the ball bounced the other way. Games that should have been automatic wins: UC
San Diego and UNLV. Games that should have gone our way: Seton Hall (Nov 24th), Utah (Dec. 5th), Washington State (Feb. 5th), Utah (Feb. 19th). Winning those games would have put us at a solid overall record of 18-14 but a not great conference record at 8-12. Most of those loses were teams heating up in the second half or us not closing out on the opportunity. If we improve how we played in the last 10 mins of the game all those games could have been wins.

Hopefully Fox turns it around this year but recruiting has been average and offensive development has left more to be desired. There will need to be some major changes if he wants to be around for the 2023 season.
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The good: there's a basketball team.
The bad: Fox, no practice facility, no fans.

Everything else is pointless details. Fire Fox, 2022-23 might actually be something worth analyzing.
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Calboy23 said:

It was another rough year for Cal Basketball as there were flashes of good play but it did not always translate on the scoreboard. Like many of you I believe Fox's seat is hotter than ever so unless major changes happen recruiting/development/transfer portal it'll possibly be another long year.

The Good:
- We will be returning 14 player (pending portal and if Andre Kelly uses his 5th year option)
- If Andre Kelly returns he will be poised to make a breakout year and be a leader on the team
- This will be an experienced team with 8 Seniors, 2 Juniors and 3 Sophomores making what could be a dangerous team.

The Bad:
- We will be losing Jordan Shepherd, Grant Anticevich, and Makale Foreman
- We will be losing 2 of our 3 top scorers in Shepherd and Anticevich
- Offense is still desperately needed

Offseason needs:
- Attack the portal: This will be a huge one to get an upgrade in offense. There are many athletes looking for homes that could be an instant impact such as Tyreke Key Guard from Indiana State (17ppg, 5rpg, 1spg), Jayden Martinez Forward from New Hampshire (15ppg, 6rpg, 42% from 3) and Neal Quinn Center out of Lafayette (15ppg, 7rpg, 40% from 3)

- 3pt% is needed to be emphasized: Cal shot on average 30.8% from deep shooting about 18 attempts per game (last in the Pac-12). That puts Cal at 320 out of 358 D1 teams. When your defense is holding team on average 30.9% (1st in the Pac-12) from deep you are playing very good defense on the arch but you need to make them pay behind the arch. I do not believe the solution is playing live or die by the 3 but if Cal bumped up their make percentage by 3.2% making their 3p% 34% that would make them an average/good 3pt team and move them near 165 out of 358 team and 5th in the Pac-12. Out of the 18 games the shot under 29% from 3 their were 3-13. When they shot over 29.1% they were 9-7. When they shot over the 34% I was talking about earlier they are 7-4.

Keys to next year:

- Get to the number 70: This one ties into more offense obviously but Cal was 8-2 when they scored 70 or more points and 4-18 when they did not. Which outside of the Arizona and Southern Utah game they shot at a 45% FGM or higher. When they shot 45% from the field or higher they were 8-3. If Andre Kelly decides to come back he will be a key factor on how this team performs offensively.

- Make slight improvements on defense but take care of the ball the same: Despite the rough season Cal only allowed 11 turnovers a game (2nd in Pac-12) and displayed nice passing multiple times a game. Sharing the rock and taking care of the ball isn't the issue it is just putting it in the basket. Defensively we were the worst in the Pac-12 at forcing turnovers but were in the top 5 in almost every other category. 1st in Pac-12 and 14th in the NCAA for number of assist given up, 1st in Pac-12 and 48th in NCAA in Opponent made 3pt, 4th in PAC-12 with Points allowed.

Win games that should've gone our way: A few games stick out to me that Cal should have very much won last year but the ball bounced the other way. Games that should have been automatic wins: UC
San Diego and UNLV. Games that should have gone our way: Seton Hall (Nov 24th), Utah (Dec. 5th), Washington State (Feb. 5th), Utah (Feb. 19th). Winning those games would have put us at a solid overall record of 18-14 but a not great conference record at 8-12. Most of those loses were teams heating up in the second half or us not closing out on the opportunity. If we improve how we played in the last 10 mins of the game all those games could have been wins.

Hopefully Fox turns it around this year but recruiting has been average and offensive development has left more to be desired. There will need to be some major changes if he wants to be around for the 2023 season.
Good points, however:
  • It's not likely Kelly will return
  • Many of the stats you cite (getting to 70, assists given up, points allowed, etc.) are merely a function of Fox's slow-down play.
Calboy23
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Ain't wrong. I think he will be the coach starting the 22-23 season but I'm not opposing the idea of moving on. Next question is does anyone have a coach in mind they want to see get hired?
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"We'll get'em next year!"

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Civil Bear said:

Calboy23 said:

It was another rough year for Cal Basketball as there were flashes of good play but it did not always translate on the scoreboard. Like many of you I believe Fox's seat is hotter than ever so unless major changes happen recruiting/development/transfer portal it'll possibly be another long year.

The Good:
- We will be returning 14 player (pending portal and if Andre Kelly uses his 5th year option)
- If Andre Kelly returns he will be poised to make a breakout year and be a leader on the team
- This will be an experienced team with 8 Seniors, 2 Juniors and 3 Sophomores making what could be a dangerous team.

The Bad:
- We will be losing Jordan Shepherd, Grant Anticevich, and Makale Foreman
- We will be losing 2 of our 3 top scorers in Shepherd and Anticevich
- Offense is still desperately needed

Offseason needs:
- Attack the portal: This will be a huge one to get an upgrade in offense. There are many athletes looking for homes that could be an instant impact such as Tyreke Key Guard from Indiana State (17ppg, 5rpg, 1spg), Jayden Martinez Forward from New Hampshire (15ppg, 6rpg, 42% from 3) and Neal Quinn Center out of Lafayette (15ppg, 7rpg, 40% from 3)

- 3pt% is needed to be emphasized: Cal shot on average 30.8% from deep shooting about 18 attempts per game (last in the Pac-12). That puts Cal at 320 out of 358 D1 teams. When your defense is holding team on average 30.9% (1st in the Pac-12) from deep you are playing very good defense on the arch but you need to make them pay behind the arch. I do not believe the solution is playing live or die by the 3 but if Cal bumped up their make percentage by 3.2% making their 3p% 34% that would make them an average/good 3pt team and move them near 165 out of 358 team and 5th in the Pac-12. Out of the 18 games the shot under 29% from 3 their were 3-13. When they shot over 29.1% they were 9-7. When they shot over the 34% I was talking about earlier they are 7-4.

Keys to next year:

- Get to the number 70: This one ties into more offense obviously but Cal was 8-2 when they scored 70 or more points and 4-18 when they did not. Which outside of the Arizona and Southern Utah game they shot at a 45% FGM or higher. When they shot 45% from the field or higher they were 8-3. If Andre Kelly decides to come back he will be a key factor on how this team performs offensively.

- Make slight improvements on defense but take care of the ball the same: Despite the rough season Cal only allowed 11 turnovers a game (2nd in Pac-12) and displayed nice passing multiple times a game. Sharing the rock and taking care of the ball isn't the issue it is just putting it in the basket. Defensively we were the worst in the Pac-12 at forcing turnovers but were in the top 5 in almost every other category. 1st in Pac-12 and 14th in the NCAA for number of assist given up, 1st in Pac-12 and 48th in NCAA in Opponent made 3pt, 4th in PAC-12 with Points allowed.

Win games that should've gone our way: A few games stick out to me that Cal should have very much won last year but the ball bounced the other way. Games that should have been automatic wins: UC
San Diego and UNLV. Games that should have gone our way: Seton Hall (Nov 24th), Utah (Dec. 5th), Washington State (Feb. 5th), Utah (Feb. 19th). Winning those games would have put us at a solid overall record of 18-14 but a not great conference record at 8-12. Most of those loses were teams heating up in the second half or us not closing out on the opportunity. If we improve how we played in the last 10 mins of the game all those games could have been wins.

Hopefully Fox turns it around this year but recruiting has been average and offensive development has left more to be desired. There will need to be some major changes if he wants to be around for the 2023 season.
Good points, however:
  • It's not likely Kelley will return
  • Many of the stats you cite (getting to 70, assists given up, points allowed, etc.) are merely a function of Fox's slow-down play.

Several questions/decisions will hopefully be answered over next 60+ days: 1) DJ Thorpe decision to play (has battled ongoing injury occurrences and his back has a chronic weakness that may never be 100% - and does he want to commit to the grind to rehab/ play when it has to be a passion? Only He will know). Klonarus status - likely not returning but tbd (thus an extra scholarship), Kelly decision to return or not (likely 40/60) Hyder likely returning and wants to be 100%. Bowser working hard hopefully he can get stronger, Joel needs minor knee surgery - will require 6 week recovery (He played the season with a slight tear and it got larger at the end - thus didnt play much at end of season). Incoming power forward recruit though raw is an athletic body and will help. However yes, even with another player or two added to the roster, its unlikely to result in a better than 9-10 finish in conf. Wish the decision to change staff would happen sooner/now, but due to(AD belief's) 1) wants to give staff additional year since "dealt with major obstacles over past couple of years/including inherited program", 2) Buyout plus new financial package significant and not necessarily an easy raise 3) concerned that back to back fairly quick terminations,could dissuade future candidates.
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Calboy23 said:

It was another rough year for Cal Basketball as there were flashes of good play but it did not always translate on the scoreboard. Like many of you I believe Fox's seat is hotter than ever so unless major changes happen recruiting/development/transfer portal it'll possibly be another long year.

The Good:
- We will be returning 14 player (pending portal and if Andre Kelly uses his 5th year option)
- If Andre Kelly returns he will be poised to make a breakout year and be a leader on the team
- This will be an experienced team with 8 Seniors, 2 Juniors and 3 Sophomores making what could be a dangerous team.

The Bad:
- We will be losing Jordan Shepherd, Grant Anticevich, and Makale Foreman
- We will be losing 2 of our 3 top scorers in Shepherd and Anticevich
- Offense is still desperately needed

Offseason needs:
- Attack the portal: This will be a huge one to get an upgrade in offense. There are many athletes looking for homes that could be an instant impact such as Tyreke Key Guard from Indiana State (17ppg, 5rpg, 1spg), Jayden Martinez Forward from New Hampshire (15ppg, 6rpg, 42% from 3) and Neal Quinn Center out of Lafayette (15ppg, 7rpg, 40% from 3)

- 3pt% is needed to be emphasized: Cal shot on average 30.8% from deep shooting about 18 attempts per game (last in the Pac-12). That puts Cal at 320 out of 358 D1 teams. When your defense is holding team on average 30.9% (1st in the Pac-12) from deep you are playing very good defense on the arch but you need to make them pay behind the arch. I do not believe the solution is playing live or die by the 3 but if Cal bumped up their make percentage by 3.2% making their 3p% 34% that would make them an average/good 3pt team and move them near 165 out of 358 team and 5th in the Pac-12. Out of the 18 games the shot under 29% from 3 their were 3-13. When they shot over 29.1% they were 9-7. When they shot over the 34% I was talking about earlier they are 7-4.

Keys to next year:

- Get to the number 70: This one ties into more offense obviously but Cal was 8-2 when they scored 70 or more points and 4-18 when they did not. Which outside of the Arizona and Southern Utah game they shot at a 45% FGM or higher. When they shot 45% from the field or higher they were 8-3. If Andre Kelly decides to come back he will be a key factor on how this team performs offensively.

- Make slight improvements on defense but take care of the ball the same: Despite the rough season Cal only allowed 11 turnovers a game (2nd in Pac-12) and displayed nice passing multiple times a game. Sharing the rock and taking care of the ball isn't the issue it is just putting it in the basket. Defensively we were the worst in the Pac-12 at forcing turnovers but were in the top 5 in almost every other category. 1st in Pac-12 and 14th in the NCAA for number of assist given up, 1st in Pac-12 and 48th in NCAA in Opponent made 3pt, 4th in PAC-12 with Points allowed.

Win games that should've gone our way: A few games stick out to me that Cal should have very much won last year but the ball bounced the other way. Games that should have been automatic wins: UC
San Diego and UNLV. Games that should have gone our way: Seton Hall (Nov 24th), Utah (Dec. 5th), Washington State (Feb. 5th), Utah (Feb. 19th). Winning those games would have put us at a solid overall record of 18-14 but a not great conference record at 8-12. Most of those loses were teams heating up in the second half or us not closing out on the opportunity. If we improve how we played in the last 10 mins of the game all those games could have been wins.

Hopefully Fox turns it around this year but recruiting has been average and offensive development has left more to be desired. There will need to be some major changes if he wants to be around for the 2023 season.
Good post! Sound analysis and a more productive mental exercise for fans then, "everything is hopeless until the coach is replaced!"

Hopefully we get a portal signing or two that can move the needle!
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4thGenCal said:




Several questions/decisions will hopefully be answered over next 60+ days: 1) DJ Thorpe decision to play (has battled ongoing injury occurrences and his back has a chronic weakness that may never be 100% - and does he want to commit to the grind to rehab/ play when it has to be a passion? Only He will know). Klonarus status - likely not returning but tbd (thus an extra scholarship), Kelly decision to return or not (likely 40/60) Hyder likely returning and wants to be 100%. Bowser working hard hopefully he can get stronger, Joel needs minor knee surgery - will require 6 week recovery (He played the season with a slight tear and it got larger at the end - thus didnt play much at end of season). Incoming power forward recruit though raw is an athletic body and will help. However yes, even with another player or two added to the roster, its unlikely to result in a better than 9-10 finish in conf. Wish the decision to change staff would happen sooner/now, but due to(AD belief's) 1) wants to give staff additional year since "dealt with major obstacles over past couple of years/including inherited program", 2) Buyout plus new financial package significant and not necessarily an easy raise 3) concerned that back to back fairly quick terminations,could dissuade future candidates.
I just wish JK was also paying attention to the lack of movement in the carousel. I really am worried that he WILL be making a move next year and unlike this year, which is relatively quiet, we will see a ton of movement that will leave Cal as an fairly "meh" job.
Take care of your Chicken
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4thGenCal said:

Civil Bear said:

Calboy23 said:

It was another rough year for Cal Basketball as there were flashes of good play but it did not always translate on the scoreboard. Like many of you I believe Fox's seat is hotter than ever so unless major changes happen recruiting/development/transfer portal it'll possibly be another long year.

The Good:
- We will be returning 14 player (pending portal and if Andre Kelly uses his 5th year option)
- If Andre Kelly returns he will be poised to make a breakout year and be a leader on the team
- This will be an experienced team with 8 Seniors, 2 Juniors and 3 Sophomores making what could be a dangerous team.

The Bad:
- We will be losing Jordan Shepherd, Grant Anticevich, and Makale Foreman
- We will be losing 2 of our 3 top scorers in Shepherd and Anticevich
- Offense is still desperately needed

Offseason needs:
- Attack the portal: This will be a huge one to get an upgrade in offense. There are many athletes looking for homes that could be an instant impact such as Tyreke Key Guard from Indiana State (17ppg, 5rpg, 1spg), Jayden Martinez Forward from New Hampshire (15ppg, 6rpg, 42% from 3) and Neal Quinn Center out of Lafayette (15ppg, 7rpg, 40% from 3)

- 3pt% is needed to be emphasized: Cal shot on average 30.8% from deep shooting about 18 attempts per game (last in the Pac-12). That puts Cal at 320 out of 358 D1 teams. When your defense is holding team on average 30.9% (1st in the Pac-12) from deep you are playing very good defense on the arch but you need to make them pay behind the arch. I do not believe the solution is playing live or die by the 3 but if Cal bumped up their make percentage by 3.2% making their 3p% 34% that would make them an average/good 3pt team and move them near 165 out of 358 team and 5th in the Pac-12. Out of the 18 games the shot under 29% from 3 their were 3-13. When they shot over 29.1% they were 9-7. When they shot over the 34% I was talking about earlier they are 7-4.

Keys to next year:

- Get to the number 70: This one ties into more offense obviously but Cal was 8-2 when they scored 70 or more points and 4-18 when they did not. Which outside of the Arizona and Southern Utah game they shot at a 45% FGM or higher. When they shot 45% from the field or higher they were 8-3. If Andre Kelly decides to come back he will be a key factor on how this team performs offensively.

- Make slight improvements on defense but take care of the ball the same: Despite the rough season Cal only allowed 11 turnovers a game (2nd in Pac-12) and displayed nice passing multiple times a game. Sharing the rock and taking care of the ball isn't the issue it is just putting it in the basket. Defensively we were the worst in the Pac-12 at forcing turnovers but were in the top 5 in almost every other category. 1st in Pac-12 and 14th in the NCAA for number of assist given up, 1st in Pac-12 and 48th in NCAA in Opponent made 3pt, 4th in PAC-12 with Points allowed.

Win games that should've gone our way: A few games stick out to me that Cal should have very much won last year but the ball bounced the other way. Games that should have been automatic wins: UC
San Diego and UNLV. Games that should have gone our way: Seton Hall (Nov 24th), Utah (Dec. 5th), Washington State (Feb. 5th), Utah (Feb. 19th). Winning those games would have put us at a solid overall record of 18-14 but a not great conference record at 8-12. Most of those loses were teams heating up in the second half or us not closing out on the opportunity. If we improve how we played in the last 10 mins of the game all those games could have been wins.

Hopefully Fox turns it around this year but recruiting has been average and offensive development has left more to be desired. There will need to be some major changes if he wants to be around for the 2023 season.
Good points, however:
  • It's not likely Kelley will return
  • Many of the stats you cite (getting to 70, assists given up, points allowed, etc.) are merely a function of Fox's slow-down play.

Several questions/decisions will hopefully be answered over next 60+ days: 1) DJ Thorpe decision to play (has battled ongoing injury occurrences and his back has a chronic weakness that may never be 100% - and does he want to commit to the grind to rehab/ play when it has to be a passion? Only He will know). Klonarus status - likely not returning but tbd (thus an extra scholarship), Kelly decision to return or not (likely 40/60) Hyder likely returning and wants to be 100%. Bowser working hard hopefully he can get stronger, Joel needs minor knee surgery - will require 6 week recovery (He played the season with a slight tear and it got larger at the end - thus didnt play much at end of season). Incoming power forward recruit though raw is an athletic body and will help. However yes, even with another player or two added to the roster, its unlikely to result in a better than 9-10 finish in conf. Wish the decision to change staff would happen sooner/now, but due to(AD belief's) 1) wants to give staff additional year since "dealt with major obstacles over past couple of years/including inherited program", 2) Buyout plus new financial package significant and not necessarily an easy raise 3) concerned that back to back fairly quick terminations,could dissuade future candidates.
If Fox is staying, is there any talk of assistants being replaced?
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4thGenCal said:

... Wish the decision to change staff would happen sooner/now, but due to(AD belief's) 1) wants to give staff additional year since "dealt with major obstacles over past couple of years/including inherited program", 2) Buyout plus new financial package significant and not necessarily an easy raise 3) concerned that back to back fairly quick terminations,could dissuade future candidates.
If you have any influence with Knowlton please emphasize that the incoming 2023-24 class will be large and crucial to the program for years to come. If Fox blows that it won't do any good to fire him a year later. It's now or never and a lot of us are tired of excuses.
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Calboy23 said:

It was another rough year for Cal Basketball as there were flashes of good play but it did not always translate on the scoreboard. Like many of you I believe Fox's seat is hotter than ever so unless major changes happen recruiting/development/transfer portal it'll possibly be another long year.

The Good:
- We will be returning 14 player (pending portal and if Andre Kelly uses his 5th year option)
- If Andre Kelly returns he will be poised to make a breakout year and be a leader on the team
- This will be an experienced team with 8 Seniors, 2 Juniors and 3 Sophomores making what could be a dangerous team.

The Bad:
- We will be losing Jordan Shepherd, Grant Anticevich, and Makale Foreman
- We will be losing 2 of our 3 top scorers in Shepherd and Anticevich
- Offense is still desperately needed

Offseason needs:
- Attack the portal: This will be a huge one to get an upgrade in offense. There are many athletes looking for homes that could be an instant impact such as Tyreke Key Guard from Indiana State (17ppg, 5rpg, 1spg), Jayden Martinez Forward from New Hampshire (15ppg, 6rpg, 42% from 3) and Neal Quinn Center out of Lafayette (15ppg, 7rpg, 40% from 3)

- 3pt% is needed to be emphasized: Cal shot on average 30.8% from deep shooting about 18 attempts per game (last in the Pac-12). That puts Cal at 320 out of 358 D1 teams. When your defense is holding team on average 30.9% (1st in the Pac-12) from deep you are playing very good defense on the arch but you need to make them pay behind the arch. I do not believe the solution is playing live or die by the 3 but if Cal bumped up their make percentage by 3.2% making their 3p% 34% that would make them an average/good 3pt team and move them near 165 out of 358 team and 5th in the Pac-12. Out of the 18 games the shot under 29% from 3 their were 3-13. When they shot over 29.1% they were 9-7. When they shot over the 34% I was talking about earlier they are 7-4.

Keys to next year:

- Get to the number 70: This one ties into more offense obviously but Cal was 8-2 when they scored 70 or more points and 4-18 when they did not. Which outside of the Arizona and Southern Utah game they shot at a 45% FGM or higher. When they shot 45% from the field or higher they were 8-3. If Andre Kelly decides to come back he will be a key factor on how this team performs offensively.

- Make slight improvements on defense but take care of the ball the same: Despite the rough season Cal only allowed 11 turnovers a game (2nd in Pac-12) and displayed nice passing multiple times a game. Sharing the rock and taking care of the ball isn't the issue it is just putting it in the basket. Defensively we were the worst in the Pac-12 at forcing turnovers but were in the top 5 in almost every other category. 1st in Pac-12 and 14th in the NCAA for number of assist given up, 1st in Pac-12 and 48th in NCAA in Opponent made 3pt, 4th in PAC-12 with Points allowed.

Win games that should've gone our way: A few games stick out to me that Cal should have very much won last year but the ball bounced the other way. Games that should have been automatic wins: UC
San Diego and UNLV. Games that should have gone our way: Seton Hall (Nov 24th), Utah (Dec. 5th), Washington State (Feb. 5th), Utah (Feb. 19th). Winning those games would have put us at a solid overall record of 18-14 but a not great conference record at 8-12. Most of those loses were teams heating up in the second half or us not closing out on the opportunity. If we improve how we played in the last 10 mins of the game all those games could have been wins.

Hopefully Fox turns it around this year but recruiting has been average and offensive development has left more to be desired. There will need to be some major changes if he wants to be around for the 2023 season.
The thing about this analysis is that improvements are based on magic.

1. Would be great to shoot better from 3, but Fox has repeatedly recruited bad shooters.
2. Would be great to score more, but Fox has repeatedly recruited non-scorers.
3. Would be great to win more close games, but end of game situations are almost random. A team is always going to win some and lose some. If there is a method to winning close games, it would be to find scorers who can get theirs even when the other team is focused on them. Cal has no one like that.
4. Even the strength on not committing turnovers is probably going away next year. In addition to Brown having surgery, Foreman and Grant A. are leaving. Foreman was the second best ball handler and Grant A. was helpful against the press. The incoming class so far has no ball handlers (or shooters or scorers).

The only thing preventing Cal from being at the very bottom would be a couple of strong transfers.
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We have ZERO spots available right now for next year--the portal could be fertile, but we have no room for *anyone*!

We have a senior PG with NO backup

We have 2-3 of our likely starters are big time holes on offense. (Brown, Kuany Roberson)

Next year's recruiting is critical. We can't recruit anything but international prospects.

We are the University of California. Mediocrity would be an improvement, and mediocrity isn't acceptable.

Covid shouldn't be an excuse. OWNIT.
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calfanz said:

We have ZERO spots available right now for next year--the portal could be fertile, but we have no room for *anyone*!

We have a senior PG with NO backup

We have 2-3 of our likely starters are big time holes on offense. (Brown, Kuany Roberson)

Next year's recruiting is critical. We can't recruit anything but international prospects.

We are the University of California. Mediocrity would be an improvement, and mediocrity isn't acceptable.

Covid is an excuse. OWNIT.
COVID-19. Affected. Everybody.
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sluggo said:

Calboy23 said:

It was another rough year for Cal Basketball as there were flashes of good play but it did not always translate on the scoreboard. Like many of you I believe Fox's seat is hotter than ever so unless major changes happen recruiting/development/transfer portal it'll possibly be another long year.

The Good:
- We will be returning 14 player (pending portal and if Andre Kelly uses his 5th year option)
- If Andre Kelly returns he will be poised to make a breakout year and be a leader on the team
- This will be an experienced team with 8 Seniors, 2 Juniors and 3 Sophomores making what could be a dangerous team.

The Bad:
- We will be losing Jordan Shepherd, Grant Anticevich, and Makale Foreman
- We will be losing 2 of our 3 top scorers in Shepherd and Anticevich
- Offense is still desperately needed

Offseason needs:
- Attack the portal: This will be a huge one to get an upgrade in offense. There are many athletes looking for homes that could be an instant impact such as Tyreke Key Guard from Indiana State (17ppg, 5rpg, 1spg), Jayden Martinez Forward from New Hampshire (15ppg, 6rpg, 42% from 3) and Neal Quinn Center out of Lafayette (15ppg, 7rpg, 40% from 3)

- 3pt% is needed to be emphasized: Cal shot on average 30.8% from deep shooting about 18 attempts per game (last in the Pac-12). That puts Cal at 320 out of 358 D1 teams. When your defense is holding team on average 30.9% (1st in the Pac-12) from deep you are playing very good defense on the arch but you need to make them pay behind the arch. I do not believe the solution is playing live or die by the 3 but if Cal bumped up their make percentage by 3.2% making their 3p% 34% that would make them an average/good 3pt team and move them near 165 out of 358 team and 5th in the Pac-12. Out of the 18 games the shot under 29% from 3 their were 3-13. When they shot over 29.1% they were 9-7. When they shot over the 34% I was talking about earlier they are 7-4.

Keys to next year:

- Get to the number 70: This one ties into more offense obviously but Cal was 8-2 when they scored 70 or more points and 4-18 when they did not. Which outside of the Arizona and Southern Utah game they shot at a 45% FGM or higher. When they shot 45% from the field or higher they were 8-3. If Andre Kelly decides to come back he will be a key factor on how this team performs offensively.

- Make slight improvements on defense but take care of the ball the same: Despite the rough season Cal only allowed 11 turnovers a game (2nd in Pac-12) and displayed nice passing multiple times a game. Sharing the rock and taking care of the ball isn't the issue it is just putting it in the basket. Defensively we were the worst in the Pac-12 at forcing turnovers but were in the top 5 in almost every other category. 1st in Pac-12 and 14th in the NCAA for number of assist given up, 1st in Pac-12 and 48th in NCAA in Opponent made 3pt, 4th in PAC-12 with Points allowed.

Win games that should've gone our way: A few games stick out to me that Cal should have very much won last year but the ball bounced the other way. Games that should have been automatic wins: UC
San Diego and UNLV. Games that should have gone our way: Seton Hall (Nov 24th), Utah (Dec. 5th), Washington State (Feb. 5th), Utah (Feb. 19th). Winning those games would have put us at a solid overall record of 18-14 but a not great conference record at 8-12. Most of those loses were teams heating up in the second half or us not closing out on the opportunity. If we improve how we played in the last 10 mins of the game all those games could have been wins.

Hopefully Fox turns it around this year but recruiting has been average and offensive development has left more to be desired. There will need to be some major changes if he wants to be around for the 2023 season.
The thing about this analysis is that improvements are based on magic.

1. Would be great to shoot better from 3, but Fox has repeatedly recruited bad shooters.
2. Would be great to score more, but Fox has repeatedly recruited non-scorers.
3. Would be great to win more close games, but end of game situations are almost random. A team is always going to win some and lose some. If there is a method to winning close games, it would be to find scorers who can get theirs even when the other team is focused on them. Cal has no one like that.
4. Even the strength on not committing turnovers is probably going away next year. In addition to Brown having surgery, Foreman and Grant A. are leaving. Foreman was the second best ball handler and Grant A. was helpful against the press. The incoming class so far has no ball handlers (or shooters or scorers).

The only thing preventing Cal from being at the very bottom would be a couple of strong transfers.



Moreover, saying we simply need to improvie our FG%, 3Pt% and scoring when we lose our player with the best FG% (Kelly) and 3PT shooters in Grant, Shepherd and Foreman (and overall scoring) is beyond wishful thinking.

Unless someone else leaves, we do not have a scholarship to use In the transfer portal.

We will be worse next year despite having a senior-laden roster, and then maybe we fire Fox, giving the new coach no real chance to fill the large incoming class with quality players.
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4thGenCal said:

Civil Bear said:

Calboy23 said:

It was another rough year for Cal Basketball as there were flashes of good play but it did not always translate on the scoreboard. Like many of you I believe Fox's seat is hotter than ever so unless major changes happen recruiting/development/transfer portal it'll possibly be another long year.

The Good:
- We will be returning 14 player (pending portal and if Andre Kelly uses his 5th year option)
- If Andre Kelly returns he will be poised to make a breakout year and be a leader on the team
- This will be an experienced team with 8 Seniors, 2 Juniors and 3 Sophomores making what could be a dangerous team.

The Bad:
- We will be losing Jordan Shepherd, Grant Anticevich, and Makale Foreman
- We will be losing 2 of our 3 top scorers in Shepherd and Anticevich
- Offense is still desperately needed

Offseason needs:
- Attack the portal: This will be a huge one to get an upgrade in offense. There are many athletes looking for homes that could be an instant impact such as Tyreke Key Guard from Indiana State (17ppg, 5rpg, 1spg), Jayden Martinez Forward from New Hampshire (15ppg, 6rpg, 42% from 3) and Neal Quinn Center out of Lafayette (15ppg, 7rpg, 40% from 3)

- 3pt% is needed to be emphasized: Cal shot on average 30.8% from deep shooting about 18 attempts per game (last in the Pac-12). That puts Cal at 320 out of 358 D1 teams. When your defense is holding team on average 30.9% (1st in the Pac-12) from deep you are playing very good defense on the arch but you need to make them pay behind the arch. I do not believe the solution is playing live or die by the 3 but if Cal bumped up their make percentage by 3.2% making their 3p% 34% that would make them an average/good 3pt team and move them near 165 out of 358 team and 5th in the Pac-12. Out of the 18 games the shot under 29% from 3 their were 3-13. When they shot over 29.1% they were 9-7. When they shot over the 34% I was talking about earlier they are 7-4.

Keys to next year:

- Get to the number 70: This one ties into more offense obviously but Cal was 8-2 when they scored 70 or more points and 4-18 when they did not. Which outside of the Arizona and Southern Utah game they shot at a 45% FGM or higher. When they shot 45% from the field or higher they were 8-3. If Andre Kelly decides to come back he will be a key factor on how this team performs offensively.

- Make slight improvements on defense but take care of the ball the same: Despite the rough season Cal only allowed 11 turnovers a game (2nd in Pac-12) and displayed nice passing multiple times a game. Sharing the rock and taking care of the ball isn't the issue it is just putting it in the basket. Defensively we were the worst in the Pac-12 at forcing turnovers but were in the top 5 in almost every other category. 1st in Pac-12 and 14th in the NCAA for number of assist given up, 1st in Pac-12 and 48th in NCAA in Opponent made 3pt, 4th in PAC-12 with Points allowed.

Win games that should've gone our way: A few games stick out to me that Cal should have very much won last year but the ball bounced the other way. Games that should have been automatic wins: UC
San Diego and UNLV. Games that should have gone our way: Seton Hall (Nov 24th), Utah (Dec. 5th), Washington State (Feb. 5th), Utah (Feb. 19th). Winning those games would have put us at a solid overall record of 18-14 but a not great conference record at 8-12. Most of those loses were teams heating up in the second half or us not closing out on the opportunity. If we improve how we played in the last 10 mins of the game all those games could have been wins.

Hopefully Fox turns it around this year but recruiting has been average and offensive development has left more to be desired. There will need to be some major changes if he wants to be around for the 2023 season.
Good points, however:
  • It's not likely Kelley will return
  • Many of the stats you cite (getting to 70, assists given up, points allowed, etc.) are merely a function of Fox's slow-down play.

Several questions/decisions will hopefully be answered over next 60+ days: 1) DJ Thorpe decision to play (has battled ongoing injury occurrences and his back has a chronic weakness that may never be 100% - and does he want to commit to the grind to rehab/ play when it has to be a passion? Only He will know). Klonarus status - likely not returning but tbd (thus an extra scholarship), Kelly decision to return or not (likely 40/60) Hyder likely returning and wants to be 100%. Bowser working hard hopefully he can get stronger, Joel needs minor knee surgery - will require 6 week recovery (He played the season with a slight tear and it got larger at the end - thus didnt play much at end of season). Incoming power forward recruit though raw is an athletic body and will help. However yes, even with another player or two added to the roster, its unlikely to result in a better than 9-10 finish in conf. Wish the decision to change staff would happen sooner/now, but due to(AD belief's) 1) wants to give staff additional year since "dealt with major obstacles over past couple of years/including inherited program", 2) Buyout plus new financial package significant and not necessarily an easy raise 3) concerned that back to back fairly quick terminations,could dissuade future candidates.
Knowlton's coaching evaluation is very heads I win, tails you lose. If you succeed then great, but if you don't then you could not have succeeded because of circumstances. There is literally no way to fail. Interesting when he is the person who made the disastrous choice. Does anyone high up in the university look at the constant failure under Knowlton and care? Who evaluates him? I know there are many, many more important issues that Cal is facing, so not caring would be reasonable.
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I'm guessing Knowlton has a personal stake in the decision since he's the one who hired Fox (apparently without a lot of outside support).

Perhaps Knowlton could be convinced that hiring a replacement coach who fits Cal without further delay would make him look better than doing nothing and putting the basketball program in a much deeper hole.
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calumnus said:

sluggo said:

Calboy23 said:

It was another rough year for Cal Basketball as there were flashes of good play but it did not always translate on the scoreboard. Like many of you I believe Fox's seat is hotter than ever so unless major changes happen recruiting/development/transfer portal it'll possibly be another long year.

The Good:
- We will be returning 14 player (pending portal and if Andre Kelly uses his 5th year option)
- If Andre Kelly returns he will be poised to make a breakout year and be a leader on the team
- This will be an experienced team with 8 Seniors, 2 Juniors and 3 Sophomores making what could be a dangerous team.

The Bad:
- We will be losing Jordan Shepherd, Grant Anticevich, and Makale Foreman
- We will be losing 2 of our 3 top scorers in Shepherd and Anticevich
- Offense is still desperately needed

Offseason needs:
- Attack the portal: This will be a huge one to get an upgrade in offense. There are many athletes looking for homes that could be an instant impact such as Tyreke Key Guard from Indiana State (17ppg, 5rpg, 1spg), Jayden Martinez Forward from New Hampshire (15ppg, 6rpg, 42% from 3) and Neal Quinn Center out of Lafayette (15ppg, 7rpg, 40% from 3)

- 3pt% is needed to be emphasized: Cal shot on average 30.8% from deep shooting about 18 attempts per game (last in the Pac-12). That puts Cal at 320 out of 358 D1 teams. When your defense is holding team on average 30.9% (1st in the Pac-12) from deep you are playing very good defense on the arch but you need to make them pay behind the arch. I do not believe the solution is playing live or die by the 3 but if Cal bumped up their make percentage by 3.2% making their 3p% 34% that would make them an average/good 3pt team and move them near 165 out of 358 team and 5th in the Pac-12. Out of the 18 games the shot under 29% from 3 their were 3-13. When they shot over 29.1% they were 9-7. When they shot over the 34% I was talking about earlier they are 7-4.

Keys to next year:

- Get to the number 70: This one ties into more offense obviously but Cal was 8-2 when they scored 70 or more points and 4-18 when they did not. Which outside of the Arizona and Southern Utah game they shot at a 45% FGM or higher. When they shot 45% from the field or higher they were 8-3. If Andre Kelly decides to come back he will be a key factor on how this team performs offensively.

- Make slight improvements on defense but take care of the ball the same: Despite the rough season Cal only allowed 11 turnovers a game (2nd in Pac-12) and displayed nice passing multiple times a game. Sharing the rock and taking care of the ball isn't the issue it is just putting it in the basket. Defensively we were the worst in the Pac-12 at forcing turnovers but were in the top 5 in almost every other category. 1st in Pac-12 and 14th in the NCAA for number of assist given up, 1st in Pac-12 and 48th in NCAA in Opponent made 3pt, 4th in PAC-12 with Points allowed.

Win games that should've gone our way: A few games stick out to me that Cal should have very much won last year but the ball bounced the other way. Games that should have been automatic wins: UC
San Diego and UNLV. Games that should have gone our way: Seton Hall (Nov 24th), Utah (Dec. 5th), Washington State (Feb. 5th), Utah (Feb. 19th). Winning those games would have put us at a solid overall record of 18-14 but a not great conference record at 8-12. Most of those loses were teams heating up in the second half or us not closing out on the opportunity. If we improve how we played in the last 10 mins of the game all those games could have been wins.

Hopefully Fox turns it around this year but recruiting has been average and offensive development has left more to be desired. There will need to be some major changes if he wants to be around for the 2023 season.
The thing about this analysis is that improvements are based on magic.

1. Would be great to shoot better from 3, but Fox has repeatedly recruited bad shooters.
2. Would be great to score more, but Fox has repeatedly recruited non-scorers.
3. Would be great to win more close games, but end of game situations are almost random. A team is always going to win some and lose some. If there is a method to winning close games, it would be to find scorers who can get theirs even when the other team is focused on them. Cal has no one like that.
4. Even the strength on not committing turnovers is probably going away next year. In addition to Brown having surgery, Foreman and Grant A. are leaving. Foreman was the second best ball handler and Grant A. was helpful against the press. The incoming class so far has no ball handlers (or shooters or scorers).

The only thing preventing Cal from being at the very bottom would be a couple of strong transfers.



Moreover, saying we simply need to improvie our FG%, 3Pt% and scoring when we lose our player with the best FG% (Kelly) and 3PT shooters in Grant, Shepherd and Foreman (and overall scoring) is beyond wishful thinking.

Unless someone else leaves, we do not have a scholarship to use In the transfer portal.

We will be worse next year despite having a senior-laden roster, and then maybe we fire Fox, giving the new coach no real chance to fill the large incoming class with quality players.
Yes, it is magical thinking.

But if Kelly leaves that opens up a spot and if he doesn't then a very good player is added. And Klonaras is clearly being given the signal to leave. Plus as 4thgen said maybe Thorpe calls it a day. So it is quite possible slots will be open, but that requires recruiting, a skill that Fox (and staff) does not have. The only impactful transfer has been Shepherd, and if we are honest, his lack of efficiency as a scorer was a problem.
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sluggo said:

calumnus said:

sluggo said:

Calboy23 said:

It was another rough year for Cal Basketball as there were flashes of good play but it did not always translate on the scoreboard. Like many of you I believe Fox's seat is hotter than ever so unless major changes happen recruiting/development/transfer portal it'll possibly be another long year.

The Good:
- We will be returning 14 player (pending portal and if Andre Kelly uses his 5th year option)
- If Andre Kelly returns he will be poised to make a breakout year and be a leader on the team
- This will be an experienced team with 8 Seniors, 2 Juniors and 3 Sophomores making what could be a dangerous team.

The Bad:
- We will be losing Jordan Shepherd, Grant Anticevich, and Makale Foreman
- We will be losing 2 of our 3 top scorers in Shepherd and Anticevich
- Offense is still desperately needed

Offseason needs:
- Attack the portal: This will be a huge one to get an upgrade in offense. There are many athletes looking for homes that could be an instant impact such as Tyreke Key Guard from Indiana State (17ppg, 5rpg, 1spg), Jayden Martinez Forward from New Hampshire (15ppg, 6rpg, 42% from 3) and Neal Quinn Center out of Lafayette (15ppg, 7rpg, 40% from 3)

- 3pt% is needed to be emphasized: Cal shot on average 30.8% from deep shooting about 18 attempts per game (last in the Pac-12). That puts Cal at 320 out of 358 D1 teams. When your defense is holding team on average 30.9% (1st in the Pac-12) from deep you are playing very good defense on the arch but you need to make them pay behind the arch. I do not believe the solution is playing live or die by the 3 but if Cal bumped up their make percentage by 3.2% making their 3p% 34% that would make them an average/good 3pt team and move them near 165 out of 358 team and 5th in the Pac-12. Out of the 18 games the shot under 29% from 3 their were 3-13. When they shot over 29.1% they were 9-7. When they shot over the 34% I was talking about earlier they are 7-4.

Keys to next year:

- Get to the number 70: This one ties into more offense obviously but Cal was 8-2 when they scored 70 or more points and 4-18 when they did not. Which outside of the Arizona and Southern Utah game they shot at a 45% FGM or higher. When they shot 45% from the field or higher they were 8-3. If Andre Kelly decides to come back he will be a key factor on how this team performs offensively.

- Make slight improvements on defense but take care of the ball the same: Despite the rough season Cal only allowed 11 turnovers a game (2nd in Pac-12) and displayed nice passing multiple times a game. Sharing the rock and taking care of the ball isn't the issue it is just putting it in the basket. Defensively we were the worst in the Pac-12 at forcing turnovers but were in the top 5 in almost every other category. 1st in Pac-12 and 14th in the NCAA for number of assist given up, 1st in Pac-12 and 48th in NCAA in Opponent made 3pt, 4th in PAC-12 with Points allowed.

Win games that should've gone our way: A few games stick out to me that Cal should have very much won last year but the ball bounced the other way. Games that should have been automatic wins: UC
San Diego and UNLV. Games that should have gone our way: Seton Hall (Nov 24th), Utah (Dec. 5th), Washington State (Feb. 5th), Utah (Feb. 19th). Winning those games would have put us at a solid overall record of 18-14 but a not great conference record at 8-12. Most of those loses were teams heating up in the second half or us not closing out on the opportunity. If we improve how we played in the last 10 mins of the game all those games could have been wins.

Hopefully Fox turns it around this year but recruiting has been average and offensive development has left more to be desired. There will need to be some major changes if he wants to be around for the 2023 season.
The thing about this analysis is that improvements are based on magic.

1. Would be great to shoot better from 3, but Fox has repeatedly recruited bad shooters.
2. Would be great to score more, but Fox has repeatedly recruited non-scorers.
3. Would be great to win more close games, but end of game situations are almost random. A team is always going to win some and lose some. If there is a method to winning close games, it would be to find scorers who can get theirs even when the other team is focused on them. Cal has no one like that.
4. Even the strength on not committing turnovers is probably going away next year. In addition to Brown having surgery, Foreman and Grant A. are leaving. Foreman was the second best ball handler and Grant A. was helpful against the press. The incoming class so far has no ball handlers (or shooters or scorers).

The only thing preventing Cal from being at the very bottom would be a couple of strong transfers.



Moreover, saying we simply need to improvie our FG%, 3Pt% and scoring when we lose our player with the best FG% (Kelly) and 3PT shooters in Grant, Shepherd and Foreman (and overall scoring) is beyond wishful thinking.

Unless someone else leaves, we do not have a scholarship to use In the transfer portal.

We will be worse next year despite having a senior-laden roster, and then maybe we fire Fox, giving the new coach no real chance to fill the large incoming class with quality players.
Yes, it is magical thinking.

But if Kelly leaves that opens up a spot and if he doesn't then a very good player is added. And Klonaras is clearly being given the signal to leave. Plus as 4thgen said maybe Thorpe calls it a day. So it is quite possible slots will be open, but that requires recruiting, a skill that Fox (and staff) does not have. The only impactful transfer has been Shepherd, and if we are honest, his lack of efficiency as a scorer was a problem.



We had 15 scholarship players (two super seniors with an extra year due to COVID and need to get down to 13. We lose Grant, Shepherd, Foreman and Kelly and are adding Okafor and Newell. Thus no scholarship for Kelly or a transfer unless someone else leaves.

. Klonaras and Thorpe are 1 year away from a Cal degree. It would be stupid for them to leave and criminal to force them to.
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calumnus said:

... Klonaras and Thorpe are 1 year away from a Cal degree. It would be stupid for them to leave and criminal to force them to ...
It may be possible for one or both to graduate early, like Matthews did. I agree it would be criminal to force that.
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The Con is available. Bring him back to coach offense, and on the side, he could recruit another 5'8" Filipino point guard.

Such an inspiration for the lads, at around $5,000,000.00 per.
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calumnus said:

sluggo said:

calumnus said:

sluggo said:

Calboy23 said:

It was another rough year for Cal Basketball as there were flashes of good play but it did not always translate on the scoreboard. Like many of you I believe Fox's seat is hotter than ever so unless major changes happen recruiting/development/transfer portal it'll possibly be another long year.

The Good:
- We will be returning 14 player (pending portal and if Andre Kelly uses his 5th year option)
- If Andre Kelly returns he will be poised to make a breakout year and be a leader on the team
- This will be an experienced team with 8 Seniors, 2 Juniors and 3 Sophomores making what could be a dangerous team.

The Bad:
- We will be losing Jordan Shepherd, Grant Anticevich, and Makale Foreman
- We will be losing 2 of our 3 top scorers in Shepherd and Anticevich
- Offense is still desperately needed

Offseason needs:
- Attack the portal: This will be a huge one to get an upgrade in offense. There are many athletes looking for homes that could be an instant impact such as Tyreke Key Guard from Indiana State (17ppg, 5rpg, 1spg), Jayden Martinez Forward from New Hampshire (15ppg, 6rpg, 42% from 3) and Neal Quinn Center out of Lafayette (15ppg, 7rpg, 40% from 3)

- 3pt% is needed to be emphasized: Cal shot on average 30.8% from deep shooting about 18 attempts per game (last in the Pac-12). That puts Cal at 320 out of 358 D1 teams. When your defense is holding team on average 30.9% (1st in the Pac-12) from deep you are playing very good defense on the arch but you need to make them pay behind the arch. I do not believe the solution is playing live or die by the 3 but if Cal bumped up their make percentage by 3.2% making their 3p% 34% that would make them an average/good 3pt team and move them near 165 out of 358 team and 5th in the Pac-12. Out of the 18 games the shot under 29% from 3 their were 3-13. When they shot over 29.1% they were 9-7. When they shot over the 34% I was talking about earlier they are 7-4.

Keys to next year:

- Get to the number 70: This one ties into more offense obviously but Cal was 8-2 when they scored 70 or more points and 4-18 when they did not. Which outside of the Arizona and Southern Utah game they shot at a 45% FGM or higher. When they shot 45% from the field or higher they were 8-3. If Andre Kelly decides to come back he will be a key factor on how this team performs offensively.

- Make slight improvements on defense but take care of the ball the same: Despite the rough season Cal only allowed 11 turnovers a game (2nd in Pac-12) and displayed nice passing multiple times a game. Sharing the rock and taking care of the ball isn't the issue it is just putting it in the basket. Defensively we were the worst in the Pac-12 at forcing turnovers but were in the top 5 in almost every other category. 1st in Pac-12 and 14th in the NCAA for number of assist given up, 1st in Pac-12 and 48th in NCAA in Opponent made 3pt, 4th in PAC-12 with Points allowed.

Win games that should've gone our way: A few games stick out to me that Cal should have very much won last year but the ball bounced the other way. Games that should have been automatic wins: UC
San Diego and UNLV. Games that should have gone our way: Seton Hall (Nov 24th), Utah (Dec. 5th), Washington State (Feb. 5th), Utah (Feb. 19th). Winning those games would have put us at a solid overall record of 18-14 but a not great conference record at 8-12. Most of those loses were teams heating up in the second half or us not closing out on the opportunity. If we improve how we played in the last 10 mins of the game all those games could have been wins.

Hopefully Fox turns it around this year but recruiting has been average and offensive development has left more to be desired. There will need to be some major changes if he wants to be around for the 2023 season.
The thing about this analysis is that improvements are based on magic.

1. Would be great to shoot better from 3, but Fox has repeatedly recruited bad shooters.
2. Would be great to score more, but Fox has repeatedly recruited non-scorers.
3. Would be great to win more close games, but end of game situations are almost random. A team is always going to win some and lose some. If there is a method to winning close games, it would be to find scorers who can get theirs even when the other team is focused on them. Cal has no one like that.
4. Even the strength on not committing turnovers is probably going away next year. In addition to Brown having surgery, Foreman and Grant A. are leaving. Foreman was the second best ball handler and Grant A. was helpful against the press. The incoming class so far has no ball handlers (or shooters or scorers).

The only thing preventing Cal from being at the very bottom would be a couple of strong transfers.



Moreover, saying we simply need to improvie our FG%, 3Pt% and scoring when we lose our player with the best FG% (Kelly) and 3PT shooters in Grant, Shepherd and Foreman (and overall scoring) is beyond wishful thinking.

Unless someone else leaves, we do not have a scholarship to use In the transfer portal.

We will be worse next year despite having a senior-laden roster, and then maybe we fire Fox, giving the new coach no real chance to fill the large incoming class with quality players.
Yes, it is magical thinking.

But if Kelly leaves that opens up a spot
and if he doesn't then a very good player is added. And Klonaras is clearly being given the signal to leave. Plus as 4thgen said maybe Thorpe calls it a day. So it is quite possible slots will be open, but that requires recruiting, a skill that Fox (and staff) does not have. The only impactful transfer has been Shepherd, and if we are honest, his lack of efficiency as a scorer was a problem.



We had 15 scholarship players (two super seniors with an extra year due to COVID and need to get down to 13. We lose Grant, Shepherd, Foreman and Kelly and are adding Okafor and Newell. Thus no scholarship for Kelly or a transfer unless someone else leaves.

. Klonaras and Thorpe are 1 year away from a Cal degree. It would be stupid for them to leave and criminal to force them to.

Next season would be Kelly's "COVID season" and so his not taking it doesn't open up a spot.

I wasn't going to be the first to mention individual names, but...

In the situation of a Klonaras, maybe he can graduate in one more semester and they can help him cobble together some financial aid for that. Not a bad deal. But if he really wants to stay on the team, ya gotta let him. We need to treat the young men like we would want our own sons to be treated.

In Thorpe's case, if he has a chronic injury and feels he is never going to be 100% again, he can get an "injury retirement" and stay on scholarship, but it doesn't count against our total. I think we get to do one of these every 4-5 years
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calumnus said:

sluggo said:

calumnus said:

sluggo said:

Calboy23 said:

It was another rough year for Cal Basketball as there were flashes of good play but it did not always translate on the scoreboard. Like many of you I believe Fox's seat is hotter than ever so unless major changes happen recruiting/development/transfer portal it'll possibly be another long year.

The Good:
- We will be returning 14 player (pending portal and if Andre Kelly uses his 5th year option)
- If Andre Kelly returns he will be poised to make a breakout year and be a leader on the team
- This will be an experienced team with 8 Seniors, 2 Juniors and 3 Sophomores making what could be a dangerous team.

The Bad:
- We will be losing Jordan Shepherd, Grant Anticevich, and Makale Foreman
- We will be losing 2 of our 3 top scorers in Shepherd and Anticevich
- Offense is still desperately needed

Offseason needs:
- Attack the portal: This will be a huge one to get an upgrade in offense. There are many athletes looking for homes that could be an instant impact such as Tyreke Key Guard from Indiana State (17ppg, 5rpg, 1spg), Jayden Martinez Forward from New Hampshire (15ppg, 6rpg, 42% from 3) and Neal Quinn Center out of Lafayette (15ppg, 7rpg, 40% from 3)

- 3pt% is needed to be emphasized: Cal shot on average 30.8% from deep shooting about 18 attempts per game (last in the Pac-12). That puts Cal at 320 out of 358 D1 teams. When your defense is holding team on average 30.9% (1st in the Pac-12) from deep you are playing very good defense on the arch but you need to make them pay behind the arch. I do not believe the solution is playing live or die by the 3 but if Cal bumped up their make percentage by 3.2% making their 3p% 34% that would make them an average/good 3pt team and move them near 165 out of 358 team and 5th in the Pac-12. Out of the 18 games the shot under 29% from 3 their were 3-13. When they shot over 29.1% they were 9-7. When they shot over the 34% I was talking about earlier they are 7-4.

Keys to next year:

- Get to the number 70: This one ties into more offense obviously but Cal was 8-2 when they scored 70 or more points and 4-18 when they did not. Which outside of the Arizona and Southern Utah game they shot at a 45% FGM or higher. When they shot 45% from the field or higher they were 8-3. If Andre Kelly decides to come back he will be a key factor on how this team performs offensively.

- Make slight improvements on defense but take care of the ball the same: Despite the rough season Cal only allowed 11 turnovers a game (2nd in Pac-12) and displayed nice passing multiple times a game. Sharing the rock and taking care of the ball isn't the issue it is just putting it in the basket. Defensively we were the worst in the Pac-12 at forcing turnovers but were in the top 5 in almost every other category. 1st in Pac-12 and 14th in the NCAA for number of assist given up, 1st in Pac-12 and 48th in NCAA in Opponent made 3pt, 4th in PAC-12 with Points allowed.

Win games that should've gone our way: A few games stick out to me that Cal should have very much won last year but the ball bounced the other way. Games that should have been automatic wins: UC
San Diego and UNLV. Games that should have gone our way: Seton Hall (Nov 24th), Utah (Dec. 5th), Washington State (Feb. 5th), Utah (Feb. 19th). Winning those games would have put us at a solid overall record of 18-14 but a not great conference record at 8-12. Most of those loses were teams heating up in the second half or us not closing out on the opportunity. If we improve how we played in the last 10 mins of the game all those games could have been wins.

Hopefully Fox turns it around this year but recruiting has been average and offensive development has left more to be desired. There will need to be some major changes if he wants to be around for the 2023 season.
The thing about this analysis is that improvements are based on magic.

1. Would be great to shoot better from 3, but Fox has repeatedly recruited bad shooters.
2. Would be great to score more, but Fox has repeatedly recruited non-scorers.
3. Would be great to win more close games, but end of game situations are almost random. A team is always going to win some and lose some. If there is a method to winning close games, it would be to find scorers who can get theirs even when the other team is focused on them. Cal has no one like that.
4. Even the strength on not committing turnovers is probably going away next year. In addition to Brown having surgery, Foreman and Grant A. are leaving. Foreman was the second best ball handler and Grant A. was helpful against the press. The incoming class so far has no ball handlers (or shooters or scorers).

The only thing preventing Cal from being at the very bottom would be a couple of strong transfers.



Moreover, saying we simply need to improvie our FG%, 3Pt% and scoring when we lose our player with the best FG% (Kelly) and 3PT shooters in Grant, Shepherd and Foreman (and overall scoring) is beyond wishful thinking.

Unless someone else leaves, we do not have a scholarship to use In the transfer portal.

We will be worse next year despite having a senior-laden roster, and then maybe we fire Fox, giving the new coach no real chance to fill the large incoming class with quality players.
Yes, it is magical thinking.

But if Kelly leaves that opens up a spot and if he doesn't then a very good player is added. And Klonaras is clearly being given the signal to leave. Plus as 4thgen said maybe Thorpe calls it a day. So it is quite possible slots will be open, but that requires recruiting, a skill that Fox (and staff) does not have. The only impactful transfer has been Shepherd, and if we are honest, his lack of efficiency as a scorer was a problem.



We had 15 scholarship players (two super seniors with an extra year due to COVID and need to get down to 13. We lose Grant, Shepherd, Foreman and Kelly and are adding Okafor and Newell. Thus no scholarship for Kelly or a transfer unless someone else leaves.

. Klonaras and Thorpe are 1 year away from a Cal degree. It would be stupid for them to leave and criminal to force them to.
You are right, I counted wrong. Things are more dire than I thought. Give Fox an extra year for roster management problems.
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Calboy23 said:

It was another rough year for Cal Basketball as there were flashes of good play but it did not always translate on the scoreboard. Like many of you I believe Fox's seat is hotter than ever so unless major changes happen recruiting/development/transfer portal it'll possibly be another long year.

The Good:
- We will be returning 14 player (pending portal and if Andre Kelly uses his 5th year option)
- If Andre Kelly returns he will be poised to make a breakout year and be a leader on the team
- This will be an experienced team with 8 Seniors, 2 Juniors and 3 Sophomores making what could be a dangerous team.

The Bad:
- We will be losing Jordan Shepherd, Grant Anticevich, and Makale Foreman
- We will be losing 2 of our 3 top scorers in Shepherd and Anticevich
- Offense is still desperately needed

Offseason needs:
- Attack the portal: This will be a huge one to get an upgrade in offense. There are many athletes looking for homes that could be an instant impact such as Tyreke Key Guard from Indiana State (17ppg, 5rpg, 1spg), Jayden Martinez Forward from New Hampshire (15ppg, 6rpg, 42% from 3) and Neal Quinn Center out of Lafayette (15ppg, 7rpg, 40% from 3)

- 3pt% is needed to be emphasized: Cal shot on average 30.8% from deep shooting about 18 attempts per game (last in the Pac-12). That puts Cal at 320 out of 358 D1 teams. When your defense is holding team on average 30.9% (1st in the Pac-12) from deep you are playing very good defense on the arch but you need to make them pay behind the arch. I do not believe the solution is playing live or die by the 3 but if Cal bumped up their make percentage by 3.2% making their 3p% 34% that would make them an average/good 3pt team and move them near 165 out of 358 team and 5th in the Pac-12. Out of the 18 games the shot under 29% from 3 their were 3-13. When they shot over 29.1% they were 9-7. When they shot over the 34% I was talking about earlier they are 7-4.

Keys to next year:

- Get to the number 70: This one ties into more offense obviously but Cal was 8-2 when they scored 70 or more points and 4-18 when they did not. Which outside of the Arizona and Southern Utah game they shot at a 45% FGM or higher. When they shot 45% from the field or higher they were 8-3. If Andre Kelly decides to come back he will be a key factor on how this team performs offensively.

- Make slight improvements on defense but take care of the ball the same: Despite the rough season Cal only allowed 11 turnovers a game (2nd in Pac-12) and displayed nice passing multiple times a game. Sharing the rock and taking care of the ball isn't the issue it is just putting it in the basket. Defensively we were the worst in the Pac-12 at forcing turnovers but were in the top 5 in almost every other category. 1st in Pac-12 and 14th in the NCAA for number of assist given up, 1st in Pac-12 and 48th in NCAA in Opponent made 3pt, 4th in PAC-12 with Points allowed.

Win games that should've gone our way: A few games stick out to me that Cal should have very much won last year but the ball bounced the other way. Games that should have been automatic wins: UC
San Diego and UNLV. Games that should have gone our way: Seton Hall (Nov 24th), Utah (Dec. 5th), Washington State (Feb. 5th), Utah (Feb. 19th). Winning those games would have put us at a solid overall record of 18-14 but a not great conference record at 8-12. Most of those loses were teams heating up in the second half or us not closing out on the opportunity. If we improve how we played in the last 10 mins of the game all those games could have been wins.

Hopefully Fox turns it around this year but recruiting has been average and offensive development has left more to be desired. There will need to be some major changes if he wants to be around for the 2023 season.
Nice post trying to give as much as a balanced post as possible, but a few points of disagreement:

1) There is no reason to believe Kelly is coming back
2) Add Kelly to the other players you mention leaving, then that is over 65% of the offense scoring that is lost (which would have been higher if Kelly played a full season)
3) From a Pac 12 perspective, recruiting is below normal. Other than Celeste and maybe Alajaki and Bowser (with a frosh to soph elevation of play), I don't see anyone on the current roster who starts for say the top 9 conference teams. Even then they don't start for most teams. There simply is a talent deficit, that every commentator that watches Cal discusses.
4) Despite a defense first coach, Cal's did poorly in most defensive categories.
5) Brown as the point guard doesn't get it done.

On the positive side, Cal will be big assuming Lars, Thorpe and Kuamy start. Not good, but big.
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Big C said:

calumnus said:

sluggo said:

calumnus said:

sluggo said:

Calboy23 said:

It was another rough year for Cal Basketball as there were flashes of good play but it did not always translate on the scoreboard. Like many of you I believe Fox's seat is hotter than ever so unless major changes happen recruiting/development/transfer portal it'll possibly be another long year.

The Good:
- We will be returning 14 player (pending portal and if Andre Kelly uses his 5th year option)
- If Andre Kelly returns he will be poised to make a breakout year and be a leader on the team
- This will be an experienced team with 8 Seniors, 2 Juniors and 3 Sophomores making what could be a dangerous team.

The Bad:
- We will be losing Jordan Shepherd, Grant Anticevich, and Makale Foreman
- We will be losing 2 of our 3 top scorers in Shepherd and Anticevich
- Offense is still desperately needed

Offseason needs:
- Attack the portal: This will be a huge one to get an upgrade in offense. There are many athletes looking for homes that could be an instant impact such as Tyreke Key Guard from Indiana State (17ppg, 5rpg, 1spg), Jayden Martinez Forward from New Hampshire (15ppg, 6rpg, 42% from 3) and Neal Quinn Center out of Lafayette (15ppg, 7rpg, 40% from 3)

- 3pt% is needed to be emphasized: Cal shot on average 30.8% from deep shooting about 18 attempts per game (last in the Pac-12). That puts Cal at 320 out of 358 D1 teams. When your defense is holding team on average 30.9% (1st in the Pac-12) from deep you are playing very good defense on the arch but you need to make them pay behind the arch. I do not believe the solution is playing live or die by the 3 but if Cal bumped up their make percentage by 3.2% making their 3p% 34% that would make them an average/good 3pt team and move them near 165 out of 358 team and 5th in the Pac-12. Out of the 18 games the shot under 29% from 3 their were 3-13. When they shot over 29.1% they were 9-7. When they shot over the 34% I was talking about earlier they are 7-4.

Keys to next year:

- Get to the number 70: This one ties into more offense obviously but Cal was 8-2 when they scored 70 or more points and 4-18 when they did not. Which outside of the Arizona and Southern Utah game they shot at a 45% FGM or higher. When they shot 45% from the field or higher they were 8-3. If Andre Kelly decides to come back he will be a key factor on how this team performs offensively.

- Make slight improvements on defense but take care of the ball the same: Despite the rough season Cal only allowed 11 turnovers a game (2nd in Pac-12) and displayed nice passing multiple times a game. Sharing the rock and taking care of the ball isn't the issue it is just putting it in the basket. Defensively we were the worst in the Pac-12 at forcing turnovers but were in the top 5 in almost every other category. 1st in Pac-12 and 14th in the NCAA for number of assist given up, 1st in Pac-12 and 48th in NCAA in Opponent made 3pt, 4th in PAC-12 with Points allowed.

Win games that should've gone our way: A few games stick out to me that Cal should have very much won last year but the ball bounced the other way. Games that should have been automatic wins: UC
San Diego and UNLV. Games that should have gone our way: Seton Hall (Nov 24th), Utah (Dec. 5th), Washington State (Feb. 5th), Utah (Feb. 19th). Winning those games would have put us at a solid overall record of 18-14 but a not great conference record at 8-12. Most of those loses were teams heating up in the second half or us not closing out on the opportunity. If we improve how we played in the last 10 mins of the game all those games could have been wins.

Hopefully Fox turns it around this year but recruiting has been average and offensive development has left more to be desired. There will need to be some major changes if he wants to be around for the 2023 season.
The thing about this analysis is that improvements are based on magic.

1. Would be great to shoot better from 3, but Fox has repeatedly recruited bad shooters.
2. Would be great to score more, but Fox has repeatedly recruited non-scorers.
3. Would be great to win more close games, but end of game situations are almost random. A team is always going to win some and lose some. If there is a method to winning close games, it would be to find scorers who can get theirs even when the other team is focused on them. Cal has no one like that.
4. Even the strength on not committing turnovers is probably going away next year. In addition to Brown having surgery, Foreman and Grant A. are leaving. Foreman was the second best ball handler and Grant A. was helpful against the press. The incoming class so far has no ball handlers (or shooters or scorers).

The only thing preventing Cal from being at the very bottom would be a couple of strong transfers.



Moreover, saying we simply need to improvie our FG%, 3Pt% and scoring when we lose our player with the best FG% (Kelly) and 3PT shooters in Grant, Shepherd and Foreman (and overall scoring) is beyond wishful thinking.

Unless someone else leaves, we do not have a scholarship to use In the transfer portal.

We will be worse next year despite having a senior-laden roster, and then maybe we fire Fox, giving the new coach no real chance to fill the large incoming class with quality players.
Yes, it is magical thinking.

But if Kelly leaves that opens up a spot
and if he doesn't then a very good player is added. And Klonaras is clearly being given the signal to leave. Plus as 4thgen said maybe Thorpe calls it a day. So it is quite possible slots will be open, but that requires recruiting, a skill that Fox (and staff) does not have. The only impactful transfer has been Shepherd, and if we are honest, his lack of efficiency as a scorer was a problem.



We had 15 scholarship players (two super seniors with an extra year due to COVID and need to get down to 13. We lose Grant, Shepherd, Foreman and Kelly and are adding Okafor and Newell. Thus no scholarship for Kelly or a transfer unless someone else leaves.

. Klonaras and Thorpe are 1 year away from a Cal degree. It would be stupid for them to leave and criminal to force them to.

Next season would be Kelly's "COVID season" and so his not taking it doesn't open up a spot.

I wasn't going to be the first to mention individual names, but...

In the situation of a Klonaras, maybe he can graduate in one more semester and they can help him cobble together some financial aid for that. Not a bad deal. But if he really wants to stay on the team, ya gotta let him. We need to treat the young men like we would want our own sons to be treated.

In Thorpe's case, if he has a chronic injury and feels he is never going to be 100% again, he can get an "injury retirement" and stay on scholarship, but it doesn't count against our total. I think we get to do one of these every 4-5 years
or his Dad could pay for him to go to CAL. Otis Thorpe made plenty of money in the NBA.
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stu said:

calumnus said:

... Klonaras and Thorpe are 1 year away from a Cal degree. It would be stupid for them to leave and criminal to force them to ...
It may be possible for one or both to graduate early, like Matthews did. I agree it would be criminal to force that.
Not only criminal but not possible. Schollies are guaranteed for 4 years.
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Civil Bear said:

stu said:

calumnus said:

... Klonaras and Thorpe are 1 year away from a Cal degree. It would be stupid for them to leave and criminal to force them to ...
It may be possible for one or both to graduate early, like Matthews did. I agree it would be criminal to force that.
Not only criminal but not possible. Schollies are guaranteed for 4 years.


If under pressure from the coach, the player enters the portal, or moves back to Greece, he loses his scholarship and it can be given to someone else.

Didn't we end up getting Winston and McCullogh's scholies back within two years? Fox has had the full 13.
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calumnus said:

Civil Bear said:

stu said:

calumnus said:

... Klonaras and Thorpe are 1 year away from a Cal degree. It would be stupid for them to leave and criminal to force them to ...
It may be possible for one or both to graduate early, like Matthews did. I agree it would be criminal to force that.
Not only criminal but not possible. Schollies are guaranteed for 4 years.


If under pressure from the coach, the player enters the portal, or moves back to Greece, he loses his scholarship and it can be given to someone else.

Didn't we end up getting Winston and McCullogh's scholies back within two years? Fox has had the full 13.
I don't know all the rules for scholarships so please educate me. So scholarships are not year to year in basketball? Is it for other sports? I know a guy who obtained a baseball scholarship (probably partial due to baseball) to a WCC school. As a freshman, before his season started, he got cut. Do they honor his scholarship for 1 year only? He decided he wanted to play right away so he transferred to a JUCO.
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The suggested improvements would be routine if the Bears ad a competent coach. They don't.
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calumnus said:

Civil Bear said:

stu said:

calumnus said:

... Klonaras and Thorpe are 1 year away from a Cal degree. It would be stupid for them to leave and criminal to force them to ...
It may be possible for one or both to graduate early, like Matthews did. I agree it would be criminal to force that.
Not only criminal but not possible. Schollies are guaranteed for 4 years.


If under pressure from the coach, the player enters the portal, or moves back to Greece, he loses his scholarship and it can be given to someone else.

Didn't we end up getting Winston and McCullogh's scholies back within two years? Fox has had the full 13.
Yes, if the player leaves Cal then he obviously forfeits his scholly, but the player is not obligated to do so. We were fortunate that Winston and McCullogh decided to move on, but the discussion was about it being criminal to make a player give up his chance for a Cal degree with only a year to go. If the player values the degree more than playing his last season elsewhere, then he is free to stay and graduate on Cal's dime...and the basketball program would be out the scholly slot that year.
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KoreAmBear said:

calumnus said:

Civil Bear said:

stu said:

calumnus said:

... Klonaras and Thorpe are 1 year away from a Cal degree. It would be stupid for them to leave and criminal to force them to ...
It may be possible for one or both to graduate early, like Matthews did. I agree it would be criminal to force that.
Not only criminal but not possible. Schollies are guaranteed for 4 years.


If under pressure from the coach, the player enters the portal, or moves back to Greece, he loses his scholarship and it can be given to someone else.

Didn't we end up getting Winston and McCullogh's scholies back within two years? Fox has had the full 13.
I don't know all the rules for scholarships so please educate me. So scholarships are not year to year in basketball? Is it for other sports? I know a guy who obtained a baseball scholarship (probably partial due to baseball) to a WCC school. As a freshman, before his season started, he got cut. Do they honor his scholarship for 1 year only? He decided he wanted to play right away so he transferred to a JUCO.
I believe it might only be a Pac12 thing.
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Civil Bear said:

KoreAmBear said:

calumnus said:

Civil Bear said:

stu said:

calumnus said:

... Klonaras and Thorpe are 1 year away from a Cal degree. It would be stupid for them to leave and criminal to force them to ...
It may be possible for one or both to graduate early, like Matthews did. I agree it would be criminal to force that.
Not only criminal but not possible. Schollies are guaranteed for 4 years.


If under pressure from the coach, the player enters the portal, or moves back to Greece, he loses his scholarship and it can be given to someone else.

Didn't we end up getting Winston and McCullogh's scholies back within two years? Fox has had the full 13.
I don't know all the rules for scholarships so please educate me. So scholarships are not year to year in basketball? Is it for other sports? I know a guy who obtained a baseball scholarship (probably partial due to baseball) to a WCC school. As a freshman, before his season started, he got cut. Do they honor his scholarship for 1 year only? He decided he wanted to play right away so he transferred to a JUCO.
I believe it might only be a Pac12 thing.
Ah. Thanks.
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Civil Bear said:

KoreAmBear said:

calumnus said:

Civil Bear said:

stu said:

calumnus said:

... Klonaras and Thorpe are 1 year away from a Cal degree. It would be stupid for them to leave and criminal to force them to ...
It may be possible for one or both to graduate early, like Matthews did. I agree it would be criminal to force that.
Not only criminal but not possible. Schollies are guaranteed for 4 years.


If under pressure from the coach, the player enters the portal, or moves back to Greece, he loses his scholarship and it can be given to someone else.

Didn't we end up getting Winston and McCullogh's scholies back within two years? Fox has had the full 13.
I don't know all the rules for scholarships so please educate me. So scholarships are not year to year in basketball? Is it for other sports? I know a guy who obtained a baseball scholarship (probably partial due to baseball) to a WCC school. As a freshman, before his season started, he got cut. Do they honor his scholarship for 1 year only? He decided he wanted to play right away so he transferred to a JUCO.
I believe it might only be a Pac12 thing.

I believe, over the past decade or so, a number of conferences have agreed to this. Honestly though, if the relationship isn't working out, there are often a number of ways around the four year commitment. Some ways are more ethical than others
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KoreAmBear said:

Civil Bear said:

KoreAmBear said:

calumnus said:

Civil Bear said:

stu said:

calumnus said:

... Klonaras and Thorpe are 1 year away from a Cal degree. It would be stupid for them to leave and criminal to force them to ...
It may be possible for one or both to graduate early, like Matthews did. I agree it would be criminal to force that.
Not only criminal but not possible. Schollies are guaranteed for 4 years.


If under pressure from the coach, the player enters the portal, or moves back to Greece, he loses his scholarship and it can be given to someone else.

Didn't we end up getting Winston and McCullogh's scholies back within two years? Fox has had the full 13.
I don't know all the rules for scholarships so please educate me. So scholarships are not year to year in basketball? Is it for other sports? I know a guy who obtained a baseball scholarship (probably partial due to baseball) to a WCC school. As a freshman, before his season started, he got cut. Do they honor his scholarship for 1 year only? He decided he wanted to play right away so he transferred to a JUCO.
I believe it might only be a Pac12 thing.
Ah. Thanks.
More than one year guaranteed wasn't even allowed by the NCAA until around 2012, and then it allowed but didn't require four year guarantees.

I think the Pac-12 was the first conference to require four year guarantees for all athletic scholarships, approved in the fall of 2014 for the 2015-16 academic year. I believe in 2015, all the P5 football conferences agreed to a four year guarantee rule, but I'm not sure if was for all sports like the Pac-12 or just football. I'm not aware of any other conferences adopting the 4 year rule outside P5.
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That is how the PAC became number one?
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The outlook: Sh*t.
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