Bobodeluxe said:

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At a mere low five-figure donor, I never considered myself a "big donor", and let's just say, I never felt the slightest consideration as such from the AD. I bailed after Martin's last game, not because I would miss him as a coach, but because of the awful showing the Bears put on in that NIT game, disrespectful to fans and University. He was a bum, and he destroyed whatever was left of the program. Sure, Williams deserves some credit, but the Martin hire was bad mojo.

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I thought the Bakersfield game was the low point in Cal basketball history (at least in terms of what was visible - we didn't see Bozeman cheating). And then the Jones era happened. Even ignoring Theo and Winston and McCullough and Chauca and . . . well, all the behind the scenes stuff, most games of the Jones era were the Bakersfield game multiplied many, many times. Disrespectful to the fans and the University. Playing too many games without sufficient effort and with the fundamentals of a bad 5th grade CYO team.

Martin didn't destroy the program, because a quality hire could have put the program right back on track.

Williams deserves more credit than anyone for the destruction. The Jones hire said we don't give a crap about basketball, and put the program in grave. Fox definitely isn't the guy to resurrect it, but he didn't kill the program, and while Martin may have put the program in ICU, we could easily have recovered from the injuries. But instead of bringing in someone to heal the injuries, Williams brought in someone to commit malpractice.

Bobodeluxe said:

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At a mere low five-figure donor, I never considered myself a "big donor", and let's just say, I never felt the slightest consideration as such from the AD. I bailed after Martin's last game, not because I would miss him as a coach, but because of the awful showing the Bears put on in that NIT game, disrespectful to fans and University. He was a bum, and he destroyed whatever was left of the program. Sure, Williams deserves some credit, but the Martin hire was bad mojo.

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The Martin hire was fine. Tennessee just came off of a Sweet 16 run, and stealing him from the SEC was a major coup. What came after was a mixed bag. Year 2 we were headed to great things, three McDonsld's All Americans on the team, undefeated at Haas, a 4 seed, then the scandal and all the injuries derailed that. The next year, culminating in the Martin exit to Missouri was not good. Hiring an assistant when the coach departs is usually not a good idea. Wyking was exactly like Tom Holmoe in that regard. Fortunately, unlike with Holmoe, we got rid of him after only two years. If we followed up with another swing at an up and coming coach we could be going into year 4 of an actual rebuild (WSU or better, since we had far better talent tge year before). The only worse fit for Cal than Fox is the AD that hired him. The longer we keep him the deeper the hole we will be in.