Braun got fired after 17-point loss to Ohio State in the second round of the NIT, after a first round home win over New Mexico (crowd of 1900). He made the NIT and won a game. We had some standards back then.socaltownie said:
In news that makes you chuckle Travis Steele just got dismissed from Xavier with a career 71 and 50 record. **** - they canned him AFTER he _WON_ his first round NIT game. Cause 4 years without a dance invite isn't cutting it at a school that cares.
Jeff82 said:
If you're doing a cost-benefit analysis, I'm not sure there's a reason to care at this point. From my understanding, most of the basketball revenue is from TV, and that's not dependent on winning or losing. Unless we win a whole lot more than we're winning now and/or there's a scheduling change that results in fewer games in the middle of the week, it's unlikely that ticket sales are going to improve significantly. I gave up my season tickets because I just can't get to most of the games from San Jose. If they sold a ticket package that was weekends only, I'd consider buying it, notwithstanding the fact that for most games, you can get tickets on Stubhub that are cheaper than face value.
The reality, IMHO is that the AD doesn't really care about basketball at this point, so most of the fans don't see a reason to care either.
calumnus said:Jeff82 said:
If you're doing a cost-benefit analysis, I'm not sure there's a reason to care at this point. From my understanding, most of the basketball revenue is from TV, and that's not dependent on winning or losing. Unless we win a whole lot more than we're winning now and/or there's a scheduling change that results in fewer games in the middle of the week, it's unlikely that ticket sales are going to improve significantly. I gave up my season tickets because I just can't get to most of the games from San Jose. If they sold a ticket package that was weekends only, I'd consider buying it, notwithstanding the fact that for most games, you can get tickets on Stubhub that are cheaper than face value.
The reality, IMHO is that the AD doesn't really care about basketball at this point, so most of the fans don't see a reason to care either.
So definitely do not extend Fox at $1.8 million per year.
Talk to Gates, Golden and DeCuire's agents about a 5 year $1 million per year, incentive laden contract. If there is interest, fire Fox and hire someone with more upside at less pay.
We are by far the worst D1 program in the Bay Area:socaltownie said:
In news that makes you chuckle Travis Steele just got dismissed from Xavier with a career 71 and 50 record. **** - they canned him AFTER he _WON_ his first round NIT game. Cause 4 years without a dance invite isn't cutting it at a school that cares.
If you just reverse it, we are #1:calfanz said:We are by far the worst D1 program in the Bay Area:socaltownie said:
In news that makes you chuckle Travis Steele just got dismissed from Xavier with a career 71 and 50 record. **** - they canned him AFTER he _WON_ his first round NIT game. Cause 4 years without a dance invite isn't cutting it at a school that cares.
St Mary's>USF>Stanford>Santa Clara >WannaBears
calfanz said:We are the 5th best D1 program in the Bay Area:socaltownie said:
In news that makes you chuckle Travis Steele just got dismissed from Xavier with a career 71 and 50 record. **** - they canned him AFTER he _WON_ his first round NIT game. Cause 4 years without a dance invite isn't cutting it at a school that cares.
St Mary's>USF>Stanford>Santa Clara >WannaBears> San Jose St
And here's his potential replacement:socaltownie said:
In news that makes you chuckle Travis Steele just got dismissed from Xavier with a career 71 and 50 record. **** - they canned him AFTER he _WON_ his first round NIT game. Cause 4 years without a dance invite isn't cutting it at a school that cares.
CalLifer said:If you just reverse it, we are #1:calfanz said:We are by far the worst D1 program in the Bay Area:socaltownie said:
In news that makes you chuckle Travis Steele just got dismissed from Xavier with a career 71 and 50 record. **** - they canned him AFTER he _WON_ his first round NIT game. Cause 4 years without a dance invite isn't cutting it at a school that cares.
St Mary's>USF>Stanford>Santa Clara >WannaBears
Bears < Santa Clara < Stanford < USF < St Mary's
We're #1!!! We're #1!
Maybe that's the problem, maybe Knowlton is looking at our results in an inverted fashion and thinks we are good.
CalLifer said:If you just reverse it, we are #1:calfanz said:We are by far the worst D1 program in the Bay Area:socaltownie said:
In news that makes you chuckle Travis Steele just got dismissed from Xavier with a career 71 and 50 record. **** - they canned him AFTER he _WON_ his first round NIT game. Cause 4 years without a dance invite isn't cutting it at a school that cares.
St Mary's>USF>Stanford>Santa Clara >WannaBears
Bears < Santa Clara < Stanford < USF < St Mary's
We're #1!!! We're #1!
Maybe that's the problem, maybe Knowlton is looking at our results in an inverted fashion and thinks we are good.
stu said:
Weren't some of Santa Clara's key players out for that game?
You correctly fixed the absence of San Jose St.calumnus said:calfanz said:We are the 5th best D1 program in the Bay Area:socaltownie said:
In news that makes you chuckle Travis Steele just got dismissed from Xavier with a career 71 and 50 record. **** - they canned him AFTER he _WON_ his first round NIT game. Cause 4 years without a dance invite isn't cutting it at a school that cares.
St Mary's>USF>Stanford>Santa Clara >WannaBears> San Jose St
FIFY
We are 5th of 6. Just like a horrible OSU team allows us to say we are not the very worst team in the PAC-12.
Of course, OSU went to the Elite 8 last year and we finished last, so I think they have us beat.
That looks like a parallel to what Xavier is doing. Cal fired Braun because Monty wanted the job and was waiting in the wings. Xavier fired Steele because, apparently, Sean Miller is ready and waiting.KoreAmBear said:Braun got fired after 17-point loss to Ohio State in the second round of the NIT, after a first round home win over New Mexico (crowd of 1900). He made the NIT and won a game. We had some standards back then.socaltownie said:
In news that makes you chuckle Travis Steele just got dismissed from Xavier with a career 71 and 50 record. **** - they canned him AFTER he _WON_ his first round NIT game. Cause 4 years without a dance invite isn't cutting it at a school that cares.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2008/03/26/cal-fires-mens-basketball-coach-braun/
stu said:
Remind my why we hired that idiot AD who let Bruce Snyder get away.
Jeff82 said:
If you're doing a cost-benefit analysis, I'm not sure there's a reason to care at this point. From my understanding, most of the basketball revenue is from TV, and that's not dependent on winning or losing. Unless we win a whole lot more than we're winning now and/or there's a scheduling change that results in fewer games in the middle of the week, it's unlikely that ticket sales are going to improve significantly. I gave up my season tickets because I just can't get to most of the games from San Jose. If they sold a ticket package that was weekends only, I'd consider buying it, notwithstanding the fact that for most games, you can get tickets on Stubhub that are cheaper than face value.
The reality, IMHO is that the AD doesn't really care about basketball at this point, so most of the fans don't see a reason to care either.
I agree that Gates would never come to Cal for $1 million a year. He is getting serious interest from 3 SEC schools that paid their last coach $3 million a year or more. It would be sad to see a former Cal player and coached hired by another school while we are showing scant signs of progress. Fox inherited a program that won 3 conference games. In his third year, Fox won 5 conference games. While that is an increase, it offers little evidence for optimism that he is the guy to restore our program.calumnus said:Jeff82 said:
If you're doing a cost-benefit analysis, I'm not sure there's a reason to care at this point. From my understanding, most of the basketball revenue is from TV, and that's not dependent on winning or losing. Unless we win a whole lot more than we're winning now and/or there's a scheduling change that results in fewer games in the middle of the week, it's unlikely that ticket sales are going to improve significantly. I gave up my season tickets because I just can't get to most of the games from San Jose. If they sold a ticket package that was weekends only, I'd consider buying it, notwithstanding the fact that for most games, you can get tickets on Stubhub that are cheaper than face value.
The reality, IMHO is that the AD doesn't really care about basketball at this point, so most of the fans don't see a reason to care either.
So definitely do not extend Fox at $1.8 million per year.
Talk to Gates, Golden and DeCuire's agents about a 5 year $1 million per year, incentive laden contract. If there is interest, fire Fox and hire someone with more upside at less pay.
mdbear said:I agree that Gates would never come to Cal for $1 million a year. He is getting serious interest from 3 SEC schools that paid their last coach $3 million a year or more. It would be sad to see a former Cal player and coached hired by another school while we are showing scant signs of progress. Fox inherited a program that won 3 conference games. In his third year, Fox won 5 conference games. While that is an increase, it offers little evidence for optimism that he is the guy to restore our program.calumnus said:Jeff82 said:
If you're doing a cost-benefit analysis, I'm not sure there's a reason to care at this point. From my understanding, most of the basketball revenue is from TV, and that's not dependent on winning or losing. Unless we win a whole lot more than we're winning now and/or there's a scheduling change that results in fewer games in the middle of the week, it's unlikely that ticket sales are going to improve significantly. I gave up my season tickets because I just can't get to most of the games from San Jose. If they sold a ticket package that was weekends only, I'd consider buying it, notwithstanding the fact that for most games, you can get tickets on Stubhub that are cheaper than face value.
The reality, IMHO is that the AD doesn't really care about basketball at this point, so most of the fans don't see a reason to care either.
So definitely do not extend Fox at $1.8 million per year.
Talk to Gates, Golden and DeCuire's agents about a 5 year $1 million per year, incentive laden contract. If there is interest, fire Fox and hire someone with more upside at less pay.
mdbear said:I agree that Gates would never come to Cal for $1 million a year. He is getting serious interest from 3 SEC schools that paid their last coach $3 million a year or more. It would be sad to see a former Cal player and coached hired by another school while we are showing scant signs of progress. Fox inherited a program that won 3 conference games. In his third year, Fox won 5 conference games. While that is an increase, it offers little evidence for optimism that he is the guy to restore our program.calumnus said:Jeff82 said:
If you're doing a cost-benefit analysis, I'm not sure there's a reason to care at this point. From my understanding, most of the basketball revenue is from TV, and that's not dependent on winning or losing. Unless we win a whole lot more than we're winning now and/or there's a scheduling change that results in fewer games in the middle of the week, it's unlikely that ticket sales are going to improve significantly. I gave up my season tickets because I just can't get to most of the games from San Jose. If they sold a ticket package that was weekends only, I'd consider buying it, notwithstanding the fact that for most games, you can get tickets on Stubhub that are cheaper than face value.
The reality, IMHO is that the AD doesn't really care about basketball at this point, so most of the fans don't see a reason to care either.
So definitely do not extend Fox at $1.8 million per year.
Talk to Gates, Golden and DeCuire's agents about a 5 year $1 million per year, incentive laden contract. If there is interest, fire Fox and hire someone with more upside at less pay.
HoopDreams said:
interesting thing about some cal fans
when we beat another team, we make excuses for the other team
when we lose to another team, we blast people for making excuses for our team
who are these cal fans who think we were the only BB team that dealt with Covid or injuries?calumnus said:HoopDreams said:
interesting thing about some cal fans
when we beat another team, we make excuses for the other team
when we lose to another team, we blast people for making excuses for our team
It is the opposite. Cal fans (like fans everywhere) think their team was the only team that dealt with COVID, or injuries, or a bad call. Look at football, our fans want to count the Arizona loss as a win but crow about the USC win. Our fans are constantly counting "close losses" as reason for optimism.
Curious why you showed WSU? Our former fellow cellar dweller has now beaten us the last 5 times we have played them.
