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transfer from Texas by way of Kentucky and prep power Mater Dei - 5 Star prep
Great get. Surely moves us out of the bottom 5 P5 programs. We have a solid back-court now. Can we get one more 5star to give me hope of a nit bid?
P.S. How much is he getting NIL, wise.
P.S. How much is he getting NIL, wise.
Finally got a highly rated PG! What were his stats at Kentucky & Texas?
Initial thoughts:
THE GOOD:
-Former Top 40 Recruit, went to Kentucky
-Started at PG as a freshman, averaged 6.5 points, 3 assists.
-Looks like a capable shooter and read he's a good defender.
-Good blueblood pedigree: Kentucky, Texas, Mater Dei. All big time programs.
-NorCal native; unclear when he moved to SoCal.
THE BAD:
-The Mater Dei Transfer Effect: this will be 3rd program in 3 years.
-At this time, ineligible for next year but could get a waiver since he's "coming home"
-Not the impact player we were hoping for/need.
-Not particularly athletic or quick but appears to play smooth and under control; gets to his spots.
THE GOOD:
-Former Top 40 Recruit, went to Kentucky
-Started at PG as a freshman, averaged 6.5 points, 3 assists.
-Looks like a capable shooter and read he's a good defender.
-Good blueblood pedigree: Kentucky, Texas, Mater Dei. All big time programs.
-NorCal native; unclear when he moved to SoCal.
THE BAD:
-The Mater Dei Transfer Effect: this will be 3rd program in 3 years.
-At this time, ineligible for next year but could get a waiver since he's "coming home"
-Not the impact player we were hoping for/need.
-Not particularly athletic or quick but appears to play smooth and under control; gets to his spots.
Career stats are almost as good as Joel Browns, including 3pt shooting.Ccajon2 said:
Great get. Surely moves us out of the bottom 5 P5 programs. We have a solid back-court now. Can we get one more 5star to give me hope of a nit bid?
P.S. How much is he getting NIL, wise.
Askew Stats
Brown Stats
If he is not granted the waiver, will he retain 3 years of eligibility starting in '23? Or will it be 2 years?
Welcome, Devin Askew, to the greatest University in the world. Look forward to seeing you play.
Gotta say I'm pleasantly surprised we signed a guard with both potential and significant remaining eligibility. I hope being closer to home will be good for him.
According to this SI article he may have to sit out a year.
His situation reminds me a little of Marcus Lee and Jamal Boykin.
According to this SI article he may have to sit out a year.
His situation reminds me a little of Marcus Lee and Jamal Boykin.
Looks like we'll learn of his quality level with the new coach in '23.
if he has to sit a year, we will be the only school in the nation that has a transfer who can't play immediatelystu said:
Gotta say I'm pleasantly surprised we signed a guard with both potential and significant remaining eligibility. I hope being closer to home will be good for him.
According to this SI article he may have to sit out a year.
His situation reminds me a little of Marcus Lee and Jamal Boykin.
that would be really sad
There is more than one way of looking at Askew. But he does not fit on a team with no scoring, and he takes one of the two remaining scholarships. With Kelly leaving and only one scholarship open he seals Cal finishing in double digits next year.BC Calfan said:
Initial thoughts:
THE GOOD:
-Former Top 40 Recruit, went to Kentucky
-Started at PG as a freshman, averaged 6.5 points, 3 assists.
-Looks like a capable shooter and read he's a good defender.
-Good blueblood pedigree: Kentucky, Texas, Mater Dei. All big time programs.
-NorCal native; unclear when he moved to SoCal.
THE BAD:
-The Mater Dei Transfer Effect: this will be 3rd program in 3 years.
-At this time, ineligible for next year but could get a waiver since he's "coming home"
-Not the impact player we were hoping for/need.
-Not particularly athletic or quick but appears to play smooth and under control; gets to his spots.
Sure. Don't spoil that. Means fox is gone sooner.sluggo said:There is more than one way of looking at Askew. But he does not fit on a team with no scoring, and he takes one of the two remaining scholarships. With Kelly leaving and only one scholarship open he seals Cal finishing in double digits next year.BC Calfan said:
Initial thoughts:
THE GOOD:
-Former Top 40 Recruit, went to Kentucky
-Started at PG as a freshman, averaged 6.5 points, 3 assists.
-Looks like a capable shooter and read he's a good defender.
-Good blueblood pedigree: Kentucky, Texas, Mater Dei. All big time programs.
-NorCal native; unclear when he moved to SoCal.
THE BAD:
-The Mater Dei Transfer Effect: this will be 3rd program in 3 years.
-At this time, ineligible for next year but could get a waiver since he's "coming home"
-Not the impact player we were hoping for/need.
-Not particularly athletic or quick but appears to play smooth and under control; gets to his spots.
Exactly.stu said:
Gotta say I'm pleasantly surprised we signed a guard with both potential and significant remaining eligibility. I hope being closer to home will be good for him.
According to this SI article he may have to sit out a year.
His situation reminds me a little of Marcus Lee and Jamal Boykin.
Go Bears!
Yeah, this is a little strange. Fox has got to know that next year is make or break. (Although who knows his closed door discussions with Knowlton). So you think he'd want to add players that are immediately eligible in order to save his job next year. So either A) he's confident Askew will get a waiver or B) he's comfortable recruiting long-term because he knows he's not going anywhere. I really hope it's A.Dgoldnbaer said:
Looks like we'll learn of his quality level with the new coach in '23.
But in your heart you know it is B. Fox having to save his job is a narrative that some here have created that I don't believe. Knowlton wanted to extend him, faced pushback, and then invented the covid extension in order to do it.BC Calfan said:Yeah, this is a little strange. Fox has got to know that next year is make or break. (Although who knows his closed door discussions with Knowlton). So you think he'd want to add players that are immediately eligible in order to save his job next year. So either A) he's confident Askew will get a waiver or B) he's comfortable recruiting long-term because he knows he's not going anywhere. I really hope it's A.Dgoldnbaer said:
Looks like we'll learn of his quality level with the new coach in '23.
BC Calfan said:Yeah, this is a little strange. Fox has got to know that next year is make or break. (Although who knows his closed door discussions with Knowlton). So you think he'd want to add players that are immediately eligible in order to save his job next year. So either A) he's confident Askew will get a waiver or B) he's comfortable recruiting long-term because he knows he's not going anywhere. I really hope it's A.Dgoldnbaer said:
Looks like we'll learn of his quality level with the new coach in '23.
I hate to sound cynical, but if he can't play for us this next season, then there's the narrative that "sure we finished at or near the bottom again, but this is a long rebuild and next year, we have Devin Askew coming in!"
Hey, great that he's a Pac 12-level talent. That's something. Devin, I hope you really flourish at Cal!
Three years starting whenever, depending on waiver, because he played two years but gets one more because of the covid year.eastcoastcal said:
If he is not granted the waiver, will he retain 3 years of eligibility starting in '23? Or will it be 2 years?
BC Calfan said:Yeah, this is a little strange. Fox has got to know that next year is make or break. (Although who knows his closed door discussions with Knowlton). So you think he'd want to add players that are immediately eligible in order to save his job next year. So either A) he's confident Askew will get a waiver or B) he's comfortable recruiting long-term because he knows he's not going anywhere. I really hope it's A.Dgoldnbaer said:
Looks like we'll learn of his quality level with the new coach in '23.
He definitely knows it is not his last or he wouldn't have taken this risk. Knowlton is going to give him 10 years. This is his baked in excuse for 2023 - I delivered a 4 star recruit but he has to sit out a year.
The kid is from the sacto area. All he has to do is say his mother's health is a little askew and he gets the waiver.fat_slice said:BC Calfan said:Yeah, this is a little strange. Fox has got to know that next year is make or break. (Although who knows his closed door discussions with Knowlton). So you think he'd want to add players that are immediately eligible in order to save his job next year. So either A) he's confident Askew will get a waiver or B) he's comfortable recruiting long-term because he knows he's not going anywhere. I really hope it's A.Dgoldnbaer said:
Looks like we'll learn of his quality level with the new coach in '23.
He definitely knows it is not his last or he wouldn't have taken this risk. Knowlton is going to give him 10 years. This is his baked in excuse for 2023 - I delivered a 4 star recruit but he has to sit out a year.
Very good question.Ccajon2 said:
Great get. Surely moves us out of the bottom 5 P5 programs. We have a solid back-court now. Can we get one more 5star to give me hope of a nit bid?
P.S. How much is he getting NIL, wise.
Go Bears!
At least its not a high lite film of dunks.BC Calfan said:
Initial thoughts:
THE GOOD:
-Former Top 40 Recruit, went to Kentucky
-Started at PG as a freshman, averaged 6.5 points, 3 assists.
-Looks like a capable shooter and read he's a good defender.
-Good blueblood pedigree: Kentucky, Texas, Mater Dei. All big time programs.
-NorCal native; unclear when he moved to SoCal.
THE BAD:
-The Mater Dei Transfer Effect: this will be 3rd program in 3 years.
-At this time, ineligible for next year but could get a waiver since he's "coming home"
-Not the impact player we were hoping for/need.
-Not particularly athletic or quick but appears to play smooth and under control; gets to his spots.
Go Bears!
Grand parents might be….Civil Bear said:The kid is from the sacto area. All he has to do is say his mother's health is a little askew and he gets the waiver.fat_slice said:BC Calfan said:Yeah, this is a little strange. Fox has got to know that next year is make or break. (Although who knows his closed door discussions with Knowlton). So you think he'd want to add players that are immediately eligible in order to save his job next year. So either A) he's confident Askew will get a waiver or B) he's comfortable recruiting long-term because he knows he's not going anywhere. I really hope it's A.Dgoldnbaer said:
Looks like we'll learn of his quality level with the new coach in '23.
He definitely knows it is not his last or he wouldn't have taken this risk. Knowlton is going to give him 10 years. This is his baked in excuse for 2023 - I delivered a 4 star recruit but he has to sit out a year.
Go Bears!
Good point. Passes (although we aren't likely to see the alley-oops here) and a variety of shots from different spots. Not unlike Shepherd but a 3-year player.oskidunker said:
At least its not a high lite film of dunks.
stu said:Good point. Passes (although we aren't likely to see the alley-oops here) and a variety of shots from different spots. Not unlike Shepherd but a 3-year player.oskidunker said:
At least its not a high lite film of dunks.
Shephard averaged more than 4 ppg and 2 apg.
In 2 seasons at Oklahoma Shepherd averaged 2.3 and 4.3 points, 1.2 and 1.5 assists.
Civil Bear said:The kid is from the sacto area. All he has to do is say his mother's health is a little askew and he gets the waiver.fat_slice said:BC Calfan said:Yeah, this is a little strange. Fox has got to know that next year is make or break. (Although who knows his closed door discussions with Knowlton). So you think he'd want to add players that are immediately eligible in order to save his job next year. So either A) he's confident Askew will get a waiver or B) he's comfortable recruiting long-term because he knows he's not going anywhere. I really hope it's A.Dgoldnbaer said:
Looks like we'll learn of his quality level with the new coach in '23.
He definitely knows it is not his last or he wouldn't have taken this risk. Knowlton is going to give him 10 years. This is his baked in excuse for 2023 - I delivered a 4 star recruit but he has to sit out a year.
Great play on words there lol. Fair point but remember we are Cal and the NCAA will find a way for us not to be able to do this while anyone who transfers out of cal always gets the okay a la Charlie "what could have been" Moore.
Happy this kid is coming to Cal! Go Bears!
sluggo said:Three years starting whenever, depending on waiver, because he played two years but gets one more because of the covid year.eastcoastcal said:
If he is not granted the waiver, will he retain 3 years of eligibility starting in '23? Or will it be 2 years?
The waiver to get that 3rd year isn't a guarantee. He has to sit because he used his free transfer.
Fair enough. It's just that all those passes and made shots in the video were likely all there were. I bet Joel Brown could have an even more impressive highlight real.stu said:
In 2 seasons at Oklahoma Shepherd averaged 2.3 and 4.3 points, 1.2 and 1.5 assists.
I'm actually happy to have him aboard, and his HS ratings and recruit list suggest he has lots of potential, but I don't expect he will come in and have close to a Shepherd-like impact next season.
who here thought Shepherd would have Shepherd-like impact when CAL signed him? anyone? I'm interested to see who develops and breaks out next season. I'm sure a few players will.Civil Bear said:Fair enough. It's just that all those passes and made shots in the video were likely all there were. I bet Joel Brown could have an even more impressive highlight real.stu said:
In 2 seasons at Oklahoma Shepherd averaged 2.3 and 4.3 points, 1.2 and 1.5 assists.
I'm actually happy to have him aboard, and his HS ratings and recruit list suggest he has lots of potential, but I don't expect he will come in and have close to a Shepherd-like impact next season.
You are saying that if does not get the waiver he does not get a third year? I thought it just meant that he would have to sit a year. I believe you, I just had not seen that reported.BearDown2o15 said:sluggo said:Three years starting whenever, depending on waiver, because he played two years but gets one more because of the covid year.eastcoastcal said:
If he is not granted the waiver, will he retain 3 years of eligibility starting in '23? Or will it be 2 years?
The waiver to get that 3rd year isn't a guarantee. He has to sit because he used his free transfer.
Most people thought Shepherd would start, and he had previous years of 12 and 14 points scoring averages. And on video he had some offensive skills. So people thought he would be a Bradley replacement, but a downgrade, and that is what he was. Shepherd was maybe better than advertised, but he was inefficient shooting 39% overall and 29% from 3. He took a lot of shots because someone had to.graguna said:who here thought Shepherd would have Shepherd-like impact when CAL signed him? anyone? I'm interested to see who develops and breaks out next season. I'm sure a few players will.Civil Bear said:Fair enough. It's just that all those passes and made shots in the video were likely all there were. I bet Joel Brown could have an even more impressive highlight real.stu said:
In 2 seasons at Oklahoma Shepherd averaged 2.3 and 4.3 points, 1.2 and 1.5 assists.
I'm actually happy to have him aboard, and his HS ratings and recruit list suggest he has lots of potential, but I don't expect he will come in and have close to a Shepherd-like impact next season.
True - even I could look decent in a short enough highlight reel.Civil Bear said:
Fair enough. It's just that all those passes and made shots in the video were likely all there were. I bet Joel Brown could have an even more impressive highlight real.
Askew will come in with 2 years less experience than Shepherd had so I'm not expecting miracles. However I'm happy we got a guy who fills a position of need and has a high ceiling. IMHO Fox coached Paris Austin up to a pretty high level. They're different players but that could also happen with Askew.Quote:
I'm actually happy to have him aboard, and his HS ratings and recruit list suggest he has lots of potential, but I don't expect he will come in and have close to a Shepherd-like impact next season.
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