HoopDreams said:
Fox asking him to be a 'scoring PG'
https://www.si.com/college/cal/basketball/cal-newcomer-dejuan-clayton
The best players have to play. I expect Clayton to be on the floor with Brown or with Askew. Call the positions whatever you want.calumnus said:HoopDreams said:
Fox asking him to be a 'scoring PG'
https://www.si.com/college/cal/basketball/cal-newcomer-dejuan-clayton
He sounds like Shepherd, but Fox intends to play him as a 1? Maybe with Brown off the bench this year?
The article says they are still waiting on Askew's eligibility?
Cal does need a shooting guard (two guard). It looks like Clayton or Askew might fill that bill. With Celestine hurt, the only other guards on the roster are Roberson, Hyder, and Alters. I hope Askew is eligible, and there are no new restrictions due to the viruses, so Fox gets a full pre-conference season to sort this out. If Askew is eligible, then with Brown, we at least have three players with some talent and good experience. If Askew is not eligible, we won't have a lot of experienced depth at guard.sluggo said:The best players have to play. I expect Clayton to be on the floor with Brown or with Askew. Call the positions whatever you want.calumnus said:HoopDreams said:
Fox asking him to be a 'scoring PG'
https://www.si.com/college/cal/basketball/cal-newcomer-dejuan-clayton
He sounds like Shepherd, but Fox intends to play him as a 1? Maybe with Brown off the bench this year?
The article says they are still waiting on Askew's eligibility?
Big C said:
Plenty of backcourt minutes to be had for Clayton, Askew (expected to be eligible) and Brown. Whoever can play, will play. That goes for all the positions.
I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict that we will be somewhat better than the most cynical of cynics predict. That's not to say that it will be "good enough" or that it should save Fox's job, just that we will win double digit games and compete.
I'll say the range of possible outcomes is pretty wide. We have holes to fill at guard but Clayton and Askew are unknowns. Then maybe a summer of practice will help.Big C said:
Plenty of backcourt minutes to be had for Clayton, Askew (expected to be eligible) and Brown. Whoever can play, will play. That goes for all the positions.
I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict that we will be somewhat better than the most cynical of cynics predict. That's not to say that it will be "good enough" or that it should save Fox's job, just that we will win double digit games and compete.
I understand the discussion focusing on guard play, but the front-line is a huge question mark to me. I think teams with quick front-lines will kill us. Since Cal doesn't shoot worth a lick, it would be nice if we tried to get some offensive rebounds - Alajiki is my hope for that but he needs coaching to make it a priority. Fox has recruited for length and athleticism, so why not take advantage of that? Maybe develop an EFFECTIVE zone defense to use as a change-of-pace. One of the problems with being a defense-first coach is that Pac-12 refs call too many ticky-tack fouls so your team gets in foul trouble.stu said:I'll say the range of possible outcomes is pretty wide. We have holes to fill at guard but Clayton and Askew are unknowns. Then maybe a summer of practice will help.Big C said:
Plenty of backcourt minutes to be had for Clayton, Askew (expected to be eligible) and Brown. Whoever can play, will play. That goes for all the positions.
I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict that we will be somewhat better than the most cynical of cynics predict. That's not to say that it will be "good enough" or that it should save Fox's job, just that we will win double digit games and compete.
Given our overall talent level and past lack of imagination on offense I'll be amazed if we escape the bottom half of the Pac. If everything goes right I think our record could be a little better than last season, if not a lot worse.
I may be the most cynical of cynics. I see 11th place, plus or minus one. Clayton is an inefficient scorer. No one else has scored more than five points a game. Celestine might have grown as a player, but I don't see much upside in the remaining players. Cal will lead the league in airballs from the free throw line. Fox is good at getting them to try hard, but he needs to recruit some skill.Big C said:
Plenty of backcourt minutes to be had for Clayton, Askew (expected to be eligible) and Brown. Whoever can play, will play. That goes for all the positions.
I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict that we will be somewhat better than the most cynical of cynics predict. That's not to say that it will be "good enough" or that it should save Fox's job, just that we will win double digit games and compete.
Isn't Celestine out for this upcoming season with an injury?sluggo said:I may be the most cynical of cynics. I see 11th place, plus or minus one. Clayton is an inefficient scorer. No one else has scored more than five points a game. Celestine might have grown as a player, but I don't see much upside in the remaining players. Cal will lead the league in airballs from the free throw line. Fox is good at getting them to try hard, but he needs to recruit some skill.Big C said:
Plenty of backcourt minutes to be had for Clayton, Askew (expected to be eligible) and Brown. Whoever can play, will play. That goes for all the positions.
I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict that we will be somewhat better than the most cynical of cynics predict. That's not to say that it will be "good enough" or that it should save Fox's job, just that we will win double digit games and compete.
That is why I said "might." I know he is out, and it hugely limits the team.HearstMining said:Isn't Celestine out for this upcoming season with an injury?sluggo said:I may be the most cynical of cynics. I see 11th place, plus or minus one. Clayton is an inefficient scorer. No one else has scored more than five points a game. Celestine might have grown as a player, but I don't see much upside in the remaining players. Cal will lead the league in airballs from the free throw line. Fox is good at getting them to try hard, but he needs to recruit some skill.Big C said:
Plenty of backcourt minutes to be had for Clayton, Askew (expected to be eligible) and Brown. Whoever can play, will play. That goes for all the positions.
I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict that we will be somewhat better than the most cynical of cynics predict. That's not to say that it will be "good enough" or that it should save Fox's job, just that we will win double digit games and compete.
oskidunker said:
Fox wont play walk ons , even if Alters is a good shooter.
HearstMining said:I understand the discussion focusing on guard play, but the front-line is a huge question mark to me. I think teams with quick front-lines will kill us. Since Cal doesn't shoot worth a lick, it would be nice if we tried to get some offensive rebounds - Alajiki is my hope for that but he needs coaching to make it a priority. Fox has recruited for length and athleticism, so why not take advantage of that? Maybe develop an EFFECTIVE zone defense to use as a change-of-pace. One of the problems with being a defense-first coach is that Pac-12 refs call too many ticky-tack fouls so your team gets in foul trouble.stu said:I'll say the range of possible outcomes is pretty wide. We have holes to fill at guard but Clayton and Askew are unknowns. Then maybe a summer of practice will help.Big C said:
Plenty of backcourt minutes to be had for Clayton, Askew (expected to be eligible) and Brown. Whoever can play, will play. That goes for all the positions.
I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict that we will be somewhat better than the most cynical of cynics predict. That's not to say that it will be "good enough" or that it should save Fox's job, just that we will win double digit games and compete.
Given our overall talent level and past lack of imagination on offense I'll be amazed if we escape the bottom half of the Pac. If everything goes right I think our record could be a little better than last season, if not a lot worse.
Aside from skill, Kelly and Shepard stood out because they had some basketball acumen. If the incoming transfers don't bring that, I don't see where it will come from. I'd like to be optimistic but honestly, I think the range of possible outcomes for this team is from so-so to god-awful.
Sorry, I should have read your comment more carefully.sluggo said:That is why I said "might." I know he is out, and it hugely limits the team.HearstMining said:Isn't Celestine out for this upcoming season with an injury?sluggo said:I may be the most cynical of cynics. I see 11th place, plus or minus one. Clayton is an inefficient scorer. No one else has scored more than five points a game. Celestine might have grown as a player, but I don't see much upside in the remaining players. Cal will lead the league in airballs from the free throw line. Fox is good at getting them to try hard, but he needs to recruit some skill.Big C said:
Plenty of backcourt minutes to be had for Clayton, Askew (expected to be eligible) and Brown. Whoever can play, will play. That goes for all the positions.
I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict that we will be somewhat better than the most cynical of cynics predict. That's not to say that it will be "good enough" or that it should save Fox's job, just that we will win double digit games and compete.
Nofat_slice said:oskidunker said:
Fox wont play walk ons , even if Alters is a good shooter.
Interesting question - would the walk-ons at Kentucky and Duke beat our scholarship players? Putting the coaching aside as we all know what that would result in.
graguna said:Nofat_slice said:oskidunker said:
Fox wont play walk ons , even if Alters is a good shooter.
Interesting question - would the walk-ons at Kentucky and Duke beat our scholarship players? Putting the coaching aside as we all know what that would result in.
Kind of wondering what makes you call Clayon an "inefficient scorer"? Almost 15/game in final Coppin State year.sluggo said:I may be the most cynical of cynics. I see 11th place, plus or minus one. Clayton is an inefficient scorer. No one else has scored more than five points a game. Celestine might have grown as a player, but I don't see much upside in the remaining players. Cal will lead the league in airballs from the free throw line. Fox is good at getting them to try hard, but he needs to recruit some skill.Big C said:
Plenty of backcourt minutes to be had for Clayton, Askew (expected to be eligible) and Brown. Whoever can play, will play. That goes for all the positions.
I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict that we will be somewhat better than the most cynical of cynics predict. That's not to say that it will be "good enough" or that it should save Fox's job, just that we will win double digit games and compete.
Shot 41% from 2 and 28% from 3. A lot of shots per points scored is the definition of inefficient. He did shoot 78% from the line so that makes him somewhat less inefficient.RedlessWardrobe said:Kind of wondering what makes you call Clayon an "inefficient scorer"? Almost 15/game in final Coppin State year.sluggo said:I may be the most cynical of cynics. I see 11th place, plus or minus one. Clayton is an inefficient scorer. No one else has scored more than five points a game. Celestine might have grown as a player, but I don't see much upside in the remaining players. Cal will lead the league in airballs from the free throw line. Fox is good at getting them to try hard, but he needs to recruit some skill.Big C said:
Plenty of backcourt minutes to be had for Clayton, Askew (expected to be eligible) and Brown. Whoever can play, will play. That goes for all the positions.
I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict that we will be somewhat better than the most cynical of cynics predict. That's not to say that it will be "good enough" or that it should save Fox's job, just that we will win double digit games and compete.
sluggo said:Shot 41% from 2 and 28% from 3. A lot of shots per points scored is the definition of inefficient. He did shoot 78% from the line so that makes him somewhat less inefficient.RedlessWardrobe said:Kind of wondering what makes you call Clayon an "inefficient scorer"? Almost 15/game in final Coppin State year.sluggo said:I may be the most cynical of cynics. I see 11th place, plus or minus one. Clayton is an inefficient scorer. No one else has scored more than five points a game. Celestine might have grown as a player, but I don't see much upside in the remaining players. Cal will lead the league in airballs from the free throw line. Fox is good at getting them to try hard, but he needs to recruit some skill.Big C said:
Plenty of backcourt minutes to be had for Clayton, Askew (expected to be eligible) and Brown. Whoever can play, will play. That goes for all the positions.
I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict that we will be somewhat better than the most cynical of cynics predict. That's not to say that it will be "good enough" or that it should save Fox's job, just that we will win double digit games and compete.
More like Jordan Shepherd. Shepherd shot 29% from 3 last year and was a hero.oskidunker said:
So he is not another Jordan Matthews
sluggo said:More like Jordan Shepherd. Shepherd shot 29% from 3 last year and was a hero.oskidunker said:
So he is not another Jordan Matthews
Except from the free throw line, where he and Jordan shot about the same percentage. Since he probably drives into the lane much more than Jordan did, he may produce more points from the line than Jordan did. Plus he talks a good game, says the right things, so I'm looking forward to seeing him in a Cal uniform.oskidunker said:
So he is not another Jordan Matthews
I kind of suspected that was what you meant but I was too lazy to look it up. Hopefully those numbers rise a bit this season.sluggo said:Shot 41% from 2 and 28% from 3. A lot of shots per points scored is the definition of inefficient. He did shoot 78% from the line so that makes him somewhat less inefficient.RedlessWardrobe said:Kind of wondering what makes you call Clayon an "inefficient scorer"? Almost 15/game in final Coppin State year.sluggo said:I may be the most cynical of cynics. I see 11th place, plus or minus one. Clayton is an inefficient scorer. No one else has scored more than five points a game. Celestine might have grown as a player, but I don't see much upside in the remaining players. Cal will lead the league in airballs from the free throw line. Fox is good at getting them to try hard, but he needs to recruit some skill.Big C said:
Plenty of backcourt minutes to be had for Clayton, Askew (expected to be eligible) and Brown. Whoever can play, will play. That goes for all the positions.
I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict that we will be somewhat better than the most cynical of cynics predict. That's not to say that it will be "good enough" or that it should save Fox's job, just that we will win double digit games and compete.
RedlessWardrobe said:I kind of suspected that was what you meant but I was too lazy to look it up. Hopefully those numbers rise a bit this season.sluggo said:Shot 41% from 2 and 28% from 3. A lot of shots per points scored is the definition of inefficient. He did shoot 78% from the line so that makes him somewhat less inefficient.RedlessWardrobe said:Kind of wondering what makes you call Clayon an "inefficient scorer"? Almost 15/game in final Coppin State year.sluggo said:I may be the most cynical of cynics. I see 11th place, plus or minus one. Clayton is an inefficient scorer. No one else has scored more than five points a game. Celestine might have grown as a player, but I don't see much upside in the remaining players. Cal will lead the league in airballs from the free throw line. Fox is good at getting them to try hard, but he needs to recruit some skill.Big C said:
Plenty of backcourt minutes to be had for Clayton, Askew (expected to be eligible) and Brown. Whoever can play, will play. That goes for all the positions.
I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict that we will be somewhat better than the most cynical of cynics predict. That's not to say that it will be "good enough" or that it should save Fox's job, just that we will win double digit games and compete.
