Exhibition game

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Bearprof
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Not sure how good Chico State is supposed to be, but they were giving us a run for our money into the second half. We have pulled away by 9 pts with 7:46 left.

Note to self: never form opinions about players from exhibition games. Been burned too many times. Ignoring this advice: Devin Askew looks good as does Newell.

Nuts, it's now a 5 pt game with 5 min left.
Bearprof
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4 pt game with 26 s left. Disappointed in the team. Poor ability to catch passes or rebound. Stifled by the zone
oskidunker
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No one ever got an open look. Everyone afraid to shoot, for good reason. This season will be worse. I can barely watch. Its so boring.
Go Bears!
Alkiadt
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oskidunker said:

No one ever got an open look. Everyone afraid to shoot, for good reason. This season will be worse. I can barely watch. Its so boring.


First game with pretty much 6 new players.
Let's see what improvements come with more games.
Big C
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Alkiadt said:

oskidunker said:

No one ever got an open look. Everyone afraid to shoot, for good reason. This season will be worse. I can barely watch. Its so boring.


First game with pretty much 6 new players.
Let's see what improvements come with more games.

This. Fer gosh sakes, these exhibitions. Remember that time when Eric Vierneisel had like 63 points in that exhibition opener? (Okay, I'm exaggerating a bit; he had 4 three-pointers.)

Bears need to shore up some things, but some guys flashed. We might win more than last season, but we might not. Let's play the games and find out.
KoreAmBear
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Big C said:

Alkiadt said:

oskidunker said:

No one ever got an open look. Everyone afraid to shoot, for good reason. This season will be worse. I can barely watch. Its so boring.


First game with pretty much 6 new players.
Let's see what improvements come with more games.

This. Fer gosh sakes, these exhibitions. Remember that time when Eric Vierneisel had like 63 points in that exhibition opener? (Okay, I'm exaggerating a bit; he had 4 three-pointers.)

Bears need to shore up some things, but some guys flashed. We might win more than last season, but we might not. Let's play the games and find out.


Remember Nick Vanderlaan went like 17 and 10 his first game then didn't do much thereafter?
Golden One
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The guys played with a lot of energy, but nobody on the team can shoot from behind the arc.
Big C
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KoreAmBear said:

Big C said:

Alkiadt said:

oskidunker said:

No one ever got an open look. Everyone afraid to shoot, for good reason. This season will be worse. I can barely watch. Its so boring.


First game with pretty much 6 new players.
Let's see what improvements come with more games.

This. Fer gosh sakes, these exhibitions. Remember that time when Eric Vierneisel had like 63 points in that exhibition opener? (Okay, I'm exaggerating a bit; he had 4 three-pointers.)

Bears need to shore up some things, but some guys flashed. We might win more than last season, but we might not. Let's play the games and find out.


Remember Nick Vanderlaan went like 17 and 10 his first game then didn't do much thereafter?

I remember that quite well (turn of the century, for you young'uns). I think it was even two consecutive good games he had, Looked like a low-post scoring machine. I could never figure out what happened after that... he morphed into a young Lars Thiemann.
SFCityBear
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Big C said:

Alkiadt said:

oskidunker said:

No one ever got an open look. Everyone afraid to shoot, for good reason. This season will be worse. I can barely watch. Its so boring.


First game with pretty much 6 new players.
Let's see what improvements come with more games.

This. Fer gosh sakes, these exhibitions. Remember that time when Eric Vierneisel had like 63 points in that exhibition opener? (Okay, I'm exaggerating a bit; he had 4 three-pointers.)

Bears need to shore up some things, but some guys flashed. We might win more than last season, but we might not. Let's play the games and find out.
You may be exaggerating on the total points, but I think you might be short-changing him on the threes. I seem to remember he had 6 of them. But I may be exaggerating.
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Bearprof
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You guys have it exactly right! I was thinking specifically of Vernisel and Vanderlaan when I commented on not getting excited by performances at exhibition games.
Bearprof
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With respect to poor shooting: maybe I am having selective memory, but it seems to me that there were relatively few open shots from the perimeter. Chalk this up to the poor offensive schemes that Fox implements and the fact we looked especially tentative against the zone defense. Chico State had more open looks, if I remember correctly.
oskidunker
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Bearprof said:

With respect to poor shooting: maybe I am having selective memory, but it seems to me that there were relatively few open shots from the perimeter. Chalk this up to the poor offensive schemes that Fox implements and the fact we looked especially tentative against the zone defense. Chico State had more open looks, if I remember correctly.
Yes the Chico big manwas open a lot at the top of the keyand he made a few
Go Bears!
CalLifer
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Bearprof said:

You guys have it exactly right! I was thinking specifically of Vernisel and Vanderlaan when I commented on not getting excited by performances at exhibition games.
If I remember correctly, I believe VanDerLaan's impressive performances were not in exhibitions but at that tournament in Alaska (Top of the World?). So it made the performance that much more impressive and his subsequent fall-off that much more puzzling.
bearsandgiants
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The Bears haven't been able to beat a zone defense since Montgomery was coach, and even struggled then. It's amazing that anyone ever runs man against us. Easy wins. God i hate this mess. Gotta tune out of cal sports entirely until we kick Christ and Knowlton to the curb, but I can't give up on football. Just too much love for the pain.
SFCityBear
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Big C said:

Alkiadt said:

oskidunker said:

No one ever got an open look. Everyone afraid to shoot, for good reason. This season will be worse. I can barely watch. Its so boring.


First game with pretty much 6 new players.
Let's see what improvements come with more games.

This. Fer gosh sakes, these exhibitions. Remember that time when Eric Vierneisel had like 63 points in that exhibition opener? (Okay, I'm exaggerating a bit; he had 4 three-pointers.)

Bears need to shore up some things, but some guys flashed. We might win more than last season, but we might not. Let's play the games and find out.
Actually, Eric Vierneisel turned out not to be too bad, just average, more or less, but it was a big letdown from his string of made threes that first exhibition game. He was a reserve for most of his career, and became a regular starter in his senior year. He averaged .326 on his threes for his career, which is slightly below average (Sam Singer, Ty Wallace, and Jaylen Brown might have liked to have had those numbers), and 48% on twos, and 72% on FTs, both of which may be average or a little above. He didn't rebound so well, but he took very good care of the basketball, averaging less than one turnover per game and in his final year, when he was a starter, his assist:turnover ratio was 2.0, which is excellent. He gave Cal four years.

As for Vanderlaan, he was another average player, who left Cal after two years to play a year at Virginia. I won't comment further, as I don't often follow players who quit the Cal team to play for another team.
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Big C
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bearsandgiants said:

The Bears haven't been able to beat a zone defense since Montgomery was coach, and even struggled then. It's amazing that anyone ever runs man against us. Easy wins. God i hate this mess. Gotta tune out of cal sports entirely until we kick Christ and Knowlton to the curb, but I can't give up on football. Just too much love for the pain.

I don't like it when Joel Brown dribbles too much, because I know nothing good is going to happen as a result of it. Now we got Askew, also lots of dribbling. He can create better than JB, but probably not enough to warrant monopolizing the ball like that. That's no way to attack a zone.
calfan347
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I think Askew and ND looked great. I still believe we can clean it up. Alajiki looked pretty decent. And I have hope Monty Bowser can come around
movielover
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A DII team w a very good coach. The Davis game will be more telling, though the Aggies also have a lot of transfers.
socaliganbear
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The structural differences between D1 power 5 and D2 are so vast, this is embarrassing. As are the excuses.
movielover
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Agreed. Still, Coach Clink is solid. There's a book about him and the team called "Behind the Red Door".

Cal should be able to handle a Big West team.
calumnus
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SFCityBear said:

Big C said:

Alkiadt said:

oskidunker said:

No one ever got an open look. Everyone afraid to shoot, for good reason. This season will be worse. I can barely watch. Its so boring.


First game with pretty much 6 new players.
Let's see what improvements come with more games.

This. Fer gosh sakes, these exhibitions. Remember that time when Eric Vierneisel had like 63 points in that exhibition opener? (Okay, I'm exaggerating a bit; he had 4 three-pointers.)

Bears need to shore up some things, but some guys flashed. We might win more than last season, but we might not. Let's play the games and find out.
Actually, Eric Vierneisel turned out not to be too bad, just average, more or less, but it was a big letdown from his string of made threes that first exhibition game. He was a reserve for most of his career, and became a regular starter in his senior year. He averaged .326 on his threes for his career, which is slightly below average (Sam Singer, Ty Wallace, and Jaylen Brown might have liked to have had those numbers), and 48% on twos, and 72% on FTs, both of which may be average or a little above. He didn't rebound so well, but he took very good care of the basketball, averaging less than one turnover per game and in his final year, when he was a starter, his assist:turnover ratio was 2.0, which is excellent. He gave Cal four years.

As for Vanderlaan, he was another average player, who left Cal after two years to play a year at Virginia. I won't comment further, as I don't often follow players who quit the Cal team to play for another team.

Braun giving Vierneisal 19 starts and Knezevic 16 on a team with Jerome Randle, Patrick Christopher, Jamal Boykin, Harper Kamp, DeVon Hardin, Jordan Wilkes and Ryan Anderson is why we went 6-12 in conference and finished 2nd to last.

He assembled probably the best front line depth ever at Cal, has great guards in Randle and Christopher, has a great outside shooting PF in Anderson, but chooses to go small in order to play 6-7 Vierneisal .298 from 3 as the PF and Knezevic .200 from 3 as the "shooting guard" and 6-9 (but kind of soft) Anderson at center.

Anderson leaves for the NBA, Monty takes over and goes 22-11 (11-7) and gets a #7 seed.
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