For fellow masochists out there: St Mary's game this evening

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Big C
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St. Mary's plays top-ranked-though-post-phi-slamma-jamma Houston this evening on ESPN2.

True freshman and Campolindo grad Aiden Mahaney is averaging about 13 ppg for the Gaels. Just imagine if Fox had ever recruited a good point guard to Cal, right out of high school. Just imagine if we had a player with a good outside shot and a high hoops IQ...


Some may argue that landing a Mahaney may have prolonged Fox's Cal tenure and so this is the silver lining to that cloud. That is not a balm that soothes my Cal Basketball pain, however.
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am watching game in 2nd half,,, Gaels staying within 5 right now... Mahaney coming off the bench, but playing big minutes at the point... has drilled 4 of 5 from beyond the arc. St. Mary's uses good ball movement and spacing on offense: what a concept!

EDIT: #1 Houston wins by 5, 53-48 (their top guy, Sasser, got injured). Mahaney played the whole last third of the game (came in right when I tuned in!). Scored at least 12. Will be somewhere between good and very good as a college player. A huge recruiting loss for Cal (extenuating circumstances, but still), which would be mitigated if only we were to get somebody else like him. Sigh...
HoopDreams
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Big C said:


am watching game in 2nd half,,, Gaels staying within 5 right now... Mahaney coming off the bench, but playing big minutes at the point... has drilled 4 of 5 from beyond the arc. St. Mary's uses good ball movement and spacing on offense: what a concept!

EDIT: #1 Houston wins by 5, 53-48 (their top guy, Sasser, got injured). Mahaney played the whole last third of the game (came in right when I tuned in!). Scored at least 12. Will be somewhere between good and very good as a college player. A huge recruiting loss for Cal (extenuating circumstances, but still), which would be mitigated if only we were to get somebody else like him. Sigh...
didn't SMU sign a top int'l PG?
Big C
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HoopDreams said:

Big C said:


am watching game in 2nd half,,, Gaels staying within 5 right now... Mahaney coming off the bench, but playing big minutes at the point... has drilled 4 of 5 from beyond the arc. St. Mary's uses good ball movement and spacing on offense: what a concept!

EDIT: #1 Houston wins by 5, 53-48 (their top guy, Sasser, got injured). Mahaney played the whole last third of the game (came in right when I tuned in!). Scored at least 12. Will be somewhere between good and very good as a college player. A huge recruiting loss for Cal (extenuating circumstances, but still), which would be mitigated if only we were to get somebody else like him. Sigh...
didn't SMU sign a top int'l PG?

Last year, they brought in Augustus Marciulionas (son of Sarunas) who was a guard who supposedly could play point. I have no idea what kind of season he had as a freshman, or what he's done this year up until today, but tonight, he played 11 minutes and had zero points and an assist. Mahaney finished with 14 and 4.
HoopDreams
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Big C said:

HoopDreams said:

Big C said:


am watching game in 2nd half,,, Gaels staying within 5 right now... Mahaney coming off the bench, but playing big minutes at the point... has drilled 4 of 5 from beyond the arc. St. Mary's uses good ball movement and spacing on offense: what a concept!

EDIT: #1 Houston wins by 5, 53-48 (their top guy, Sasser, got injured). Mahaney played the whole last third of the game (came in right when I tuned in!). Scored at least 12. Will be somewhere between good and very good as a college player. A huge recruiting loss for Cal (extenuating circumstances, but still), which would be mitigated if only we were to get somebody else like him. Sigh...
didn't SMU sign a top int'l PG?

Last year, they brought in Augustus Marciulionas (son of Sarunas) who was a guard who supposedly could play point. I have no idea what kind of season he had as a freshman, or what he's done this year up until today, but tonight, he played 11 minutes and had zero points and an assist. Mahaney finished with 14 and 4.
interesting, and if you're saying Mahaney isn't the starting PG (coming off the bench) it means that SMU has 3 good PGs. hmmm...
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I probably saw the last quarter of the game. I know Ft Worth is a long way from Houston, but it was surprising how small the crowd was on a Saturday night. Mahaney looked like the classic freshman who still needed to put on some muscle, whereas Jason Kidd had a man's body at 18. Still, he's a poised confident ball-handler and most importantly, hit the open three-point shot consistently, which is more than any Cal player can do. Based on this small sample, if I had a choice between Mahaney and Askew or Brown, I'd take Mahaney.
4thGenCal
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HearstMining said:

I probably saw the last quarter of the game. I know Ft Worth is a long way from Houston, but it was surprising how small the crowd was on a Saturday night. Mahaney looked like the classic freshman who still needed to put on some muscle, whereas Jason Kidd had a man's body at 18. Still, he's a poised confident ball-handler and most importantly, hit the open three-point shot consistently, which is more than any Cal player can do. Based on this small sample, if I had a choice between Mahaney and Askew or Brown, I'd take Mahaney.
Agree - Aiden Mahaney has a smooth shot, good handles and sees the open teammate. Big loss to not be able to recruit Him to Cal. Though Bennett had a solid relationship thru his youth coaching, the program cannot lose a key local player to a smaller program/conference - especially if one has next level aspirations. Failure by staff to effectively connect with Him and Mom. Btw Arizona opponent today has an ongoing 40 donors who donate (just for NIL - not counting other donation areas) $25k each year - solely for NIL. Cal......virtually nothing in place for a ongoing program, though Cal Football is making good progress (more needed) with NIL fund raising. All the more reason to hire a Hoops coach who will connect with the donor base, to bring in much needed funds for recruiting.
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4thGenCal said:

HearstMining said:

I probably saw the last quarter of the game. I know Ft Worth is a long way from Houston, but it was surprising how small the crowd was on a Saturday night. Mahaney looked like the classic freshman who still needed to put on some muscle, whereas Jason Kidd had a man's body at 18. Still, he's a poised confident ball-handler and most importantly, hit the open three-point shot consistently, which is more than any Cal player can do. Based on this small sample, if I had a choice between Mahaney and Askew or Brown, I'd take Mahaney.
Agree - Aiden Mahaney has a smooth shot, good handles and sees the open teammate. Big loss to not be able to recruit Him to Cal. Though Bennett had a solid relationship thru his youth coaching, the program cannot lose a key local player to a smaller program/conference - especially if one has next level aspirations. Failure by staff to effectively connect with Him and Mom. Btw Arizona opponent today has an ongoing 40 donors who donate (just for NIL - not counting other donation areas) $25k each year - solely for NIL. Cal......virtually nothing in place for a ongoing program, though Cal Football is making good progress (more needed) with NIL fund raising. All the more reason to hire a Hoops coach who will connect with the donor base, to bring in much needed funds for recruiting.
I support the right of student-athletes to earn NIL money but envisioned that these students would be hired to appear in advertisements for local businesses and stuff like that, not the NIL collectives. Creating a purely professional class of "student" on campus is something I can't get comfortable with. Does anyone know if the people who contribute to NIL collectives generally also contribute to the academic missions of their universities? Am I the only one who is disturbed to see money funneled to athletes on top of all of the advantages they already get - free tuition, living expenses, preferential admissions and special academic support? There are lots of regular students on campus who struggle with food and housing security, with options for donating to their support (e.g., https://basicneeds.berkeley.edu/donate). Has any thought given to having these collectives share their income with students in need of help with food and housing?
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Such a huge whiff, and I gave Fox a smaller glimmer of a chance to continue as coach for Cal. After he missed on Mahaney, I was done with Fox and consequently, he is done.

I'm kind of disappointed in Andrew Francis too. I thought he would be a good recruiter and seems to be the most affable of the coaching staff. Maybe Fox is too big of a detriment for him to overcome lol?
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4thGenCal said:

HearstMining said:

I probably saw the last quarter of the game. I know Ft Worth is a long way from Houston, but it was surprising how small the crowd was on a Saturday night. Mahaney looked like the classic freshman who still needed to put on some muscle, whereas Jason Kidd had a man's body at 18. Still, he's a poised confident ball-handler and most importantly, hit the open three-point shot consistently, which is more than any Cal player can do. Based on this small sample, if I had a choice between Mahaney and Askew or Brown, I'd take Mahaney.
Agree - Aiden Mahaney has a smooth shot, good handles and sees the open teammate. Big loss to not be able to recruit Him to Cal. Though Bennett had a solid relationship thru his youth coaching, the program cannot lose a key local player to a smaller program/conference - especially if one has next level aspirations. Failure by staff to effectively connect with Him and Mom. Btw Arizona opponent today has an ongoing 40 donors who donate (just for NIL - not counting other donation areas) $25k each year - solely for NIL. Cal......virtually nothing in place for a ongoing program, though Cal Football is making good progress (more needed) with NIL fund raising. All the more reason to hire a Hoops coach who will connect with the donor base, to bring in much needed funds for recruiting.
Back when Miller was coaching and recruiting at UofA, he hosted a UofA Bay Area Booster luncheon talking about basketballl recruiting. He claimed that for MBB, just from the bay area, Arizona received more donor financial support than Cal and Stanford combined!

Although I doubt there was any real basis behind the numbers (I mean how would he get those?). It may not have been far off.
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BeachedBear said:

4thGenCal said:

HearstMining said:

I probably saw the last quarter of the game. I know Ft Worth is a long way from Houston, but it was surprising how small the crowd was on a Saturday night. Mahaney looked like the classic freshman who still needed to put on some muscle, whereas Jason Kidd had a man's body at 18. Still, he's a poised confident ball-handler and most importantly, hit the open three-point shot consistently, which is more than any Cal player can do. Based on this small sample, if I had a choice between Mahaney and Askew or Brown, I'd take Mahaney.
Agree - Aiden Mahaney has a smooth shot, good handles and sees the open teammate. Big loss to not be able to recruit Him to Cal. Though Bennett had a solid relationship thru his youth coaching, the program cannot lose a key local player to a smaller program/conference - especially if one has next level aspirations. Failure by staff to effectively connect with Him and Mom. Btw Arizona opponent today has an ongoing 40 donors who donate (just for NIL - not counting other donation areas) $25k each year - solely for NIL. Cal......virtually nothing in place for a ongoing program, though Cal Football is making good progress (more needed) with NIL fund raising. All the more reason to hire a Hoops coach who will connect with the donor base, to bring in much needed funds for recruiting.
Back when Miller was coaching and recruiting at UofA, he hosted a UofA Bay Area Booster luncheon talking about basketballl recruiting. He claimed that for MBB, just from the bay area, Arizona received more donor financial support than Cal and Stanford combined!

Although I doubt there was any real basis behind the numbers (I mean how would he get those?). It may not have been far off.
Their fans pack Haas when they play here. I wont go to that game anymore.
Go Bears!
eastcoastcal
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4thGenCal said:

HearstMining said:

I probably saw the last quarter of the game. I know Ft Worth is a long way from Houston, but it was surprising how small the crowd was on a Saturday night. Mahaney looked like the classic freshman who still needed to put on some muscle, whereas Jason Kidd had a man's body at 18. Still, he's a poised confident ball-handler and most importantly, hit the open three-point shot consistently, which is more than any Cal player can do. Based on this small sample, if I had a choice between Mahaney and Askew or Brown, I'd take Mahaney.
Agree - Aiden Mahaney has a smooth shot, good handles and sees the open teammate. Big loss to not be able to recruit Him to Cal. Though Bennett had a solid relationship thru his youth coaching, the program cannot lose a key local player to a smaller program/conference - especially if one has next level aspirations. Failure by staff to effectively connect with Him and Mom. Btw Arizona opponent today has an ongoing 40 donors who donate (just for NIL - not counting other donation areas) $25k each year - solely for NIL. Cal......virtually nothing in place for a ongoing program, though Cal Football is making good progress (more needed) with NIL fund raising. All the more reason to hire a Hoops coach who will connect with the donor base, to bring in much needed funds for recruiting.
Are there any particular coaches that have strong connections with Cal donor base? Pasternack comes to mind.
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eastcoastcal said:

4thGenCal said:

HearstMining said:

I probably saw the last quarter of the game. I know Ft Worth is a long way from Houston, but it was surprising how small the crowd was on a Saturday night. Mahaney looked like the classic freshman who still needed to put on some muscle, whereas Jason Kidd had a man's body at 18. Still, he's a poised confident ball-handler and most importantly, hit the open three-point shot consistently, which is more than any Cal player can do. Based on this small sample, if I had a choice between Mahaney and Askew or Brown, I'd take Mahaney.
Agree - Aiden Mahaney has a smooth shot, good handles and sees the open teammate. Big loss to not be able to recruit Him to Cal. Though Bennett had a solid relationship thru his youth coaching, the program cannot lose a key local player to a smaller program/conference - especially if one has next level aspirations. Failure by staff to effectively connect with Him and Mom. Btw Arizona opponent today has an ongoing 40 donors who donate (just for NIL - not counting other donation areas) $25k each year - solely for NIL. Cal......virtually nothing in place for a ongoing program, though Cal Football is making good progress (more needed) with NIL fund raising. All the more reason to hire a Hoops coach who will connect with the donor base, to bring in much needed funds for recruiting.
Are there any particular coaches that have strong connections with Cal donor base? Pasternack comes to mind.


Spot on, potentially our next coach…
4thGenCal
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NVBear78 said:

eastcoastcal said:

4thGenCal said:

HearstMining said:

I probably saw the last quarter of the game. I know Ft Worth is a long way from Houston, but it was surprising how small the crowd was on a Saturday night. Mahaney looked like the classic freshman who still needed to put on some muscle, whereas Jason Kidd had a man's body at 18. Still, he's a poised confident ball-handler and most importantly, hit the open three-point shot consistently, which is more than any Cal player can do. Based on this small sample, if I had a choice between Mahaney and Askew or Brown, I'd take Mahaney.
Agree - Aiden Mahaney has a smooth shot, good handles and sees the open teammate. Big loss to not be able to recruit Him to Cal. Though Bennett had a solid relationship thru his youth coaching, the program cannot lose a key local player to a smaller program/conference - especially if one has next level aspirations. Failure by staff to effectively connect with Him and Mom. Btw Arizona opponent today has an ongoing 40 donors who donate (just for NIL - not counting other donation areas) $25k each year - solely for NIL. Cal......virtually nothing in place for a ongoing program, though Cal Football is making good progress (more needed) with NIL fund raising. All the more reason to hire a Hoops coach who will connect with the donor base, to bring in much needed funds for recruiting.
Are there any particular coaches that have strong connections with Cal donor base? Pasternack comes to mind.


Spot on, potentially our next coach…
Joe Pasternak has excellent connections to key donors and the necessary NIL monies would be raised if He is interested and the committee is serious about Him. Additionally He would absolutely bring back former players both to his staff and to make sure they were involved with the program. The absence of follow up of countless former players ,is very sad and hurts the boosting of needed support - both within the past players association but also as a link to past and present fan support.
Big C
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4thGenCal said:

HearstMining said:

I probably saw the last quarter of the game. I know Ft Worth is a long way from Houston, but it was surprising how small the crowd was on a Saturday night. Mahaney looked like the classic freshman who still needed to put on some muscle, whereas Jason Kidd had a man's body at 18. Still, he's a poised confident ball-handler and most importantly, hit the open three-point shot consistently, which is more than any Cal player can do. Based on this small sample, if I had a choice between Mahaney and Askew or Brown, I'd take Mahaney.
Agree - Aiden Mahaney has a smooth shot, good handles and sees the open teammate. Big loss to not be able to recruit Him to Cal. Though Bennett had a solid relationship thru his youth coaching, the program cannot lose a key local player to a smaller program/conference - especially if one has next level aspirations. Failure by staff to effectively connect with Him and Mom. Btw Arizona opponent today has an ongoing 40 donors who donate (just for NIL - not counting other donation areas) $25k each year - solely for NIL. Cal......virtually nothing in place for a ongoing program, though Cal Football is making good progress (more needed) with NIL fund raising. All the more reason to hire a Hoops coach who will connect with the donor base, to bring in much needed funds for recruiting.

Ha, that's nothing, 4thGenCal: I am currently a men's basketball subscriber at Calegends.com for $25 a month!

EDIT: Wait, I misread your post. You wrote $25k! Holy crap! Never mind...
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GoCal80 said:

4thGenCal said:

HearstMining said:

I probably saw the last quarter of the game. I know Ft Worth is a long way from Houston, but it was surprising how small the crowd was on a Saturday night. Mahaney looked like the classic freshman who still needed to put on some muscle, whereas Jason Kidd had a man's body at 18. Still, he's a poised confident ball-handler and most importantly, hit the open three-point shot consistently, which is more than any Cal player can do. Based on this small sample, if I had a choice between Mahaney and Askew or Brown, I'd take Mahaney.
Agree - Aiden Mahaney has a smooth shot, good handles and sees the open teammate. Big loss to not be able to recruit Him to Cal. Though Bennett had a solid relationship thru his youth coaching, the program cannot lose a key local player to a smaller program/conference - especially if one has next level aspirations. Failure by staff to effectively connect with Him and Mom. Btw Arizona opponent today has an ongoing 40 donors who donate (just for NIL - not counting other donation areas) $25k each year - solely for NIL. Cal......virtually nothing in place for a ongoing program, though Cal Football is making good progress (more needed) with NIL fund raising. All the more reason to hire a Hoops coach who will connect with the donor base, to bring in much needed funds for recruiting.
I support the right of student-athletes to earn NIL money but envisioned that these students would be hired to appear in advertisements for local businesses and stuff like that, not the NIL collectives. Creating a purely professional class of "student" on campus is something I can't get comfortable with. Does anyone know if the people who contribute to NIL collectives generally also contribute to the academic missions of their universities? Am I the only one who is disturbed to see money funneled to athletes on top of all of the advantages they already get - free tuition, living expenses, preferential admissions and special academic support? There are lots of regular students on campus who struggle with food and housing security, with options for donating to their support (e.g., https://basicneeds.berkeley.edu/donate). Has any thought given to having these collectives share their income with students in need of help with food and housing?
I understand your reluctance to be comfortable with donating monies toward NIL, I was in the same boat (I donate to Caliber Fund, Excellence club and support/donate toward improved housing). 1) For housing support is applied per NCAA regulations (50/50 ratio of students to student athletes for apartment offering) meaning same quality/rates/same complex are applied and actually the students end up with lower rental costs, because of additional room sharing. Myself and others also support academic missions when one is impactful and of personal interest 2) The student athletes are putting in 40+ hours/week when factoring in practice, game prep, film study, workouts, and travel - plus they are putting their health on the line and bring in revenue to the university. This is a different matrix/deal than what the students sign up for. I have just recently contributed toward NIL (just $15k to start) as the rules have changed and without raising significant monies, our major sports have little to no chance to have winning records, let alone compete for a conf title. Yes sad, but legislators put the new rule in effect. The players do put time in to earn/receive NIL monies - from recently Turkey give aways to poor communities, toy drive, clothing advertising along with many other endeavors. I along with several key people who have set up/coordinated the NIL Collective per NCAA rules, are willing to support our key athletic programs. because we want excellence in these sports, and to be competitive it must be done . Otherwise turning around the current state of both major programs will not happen. I definitely plan on upping my donation toward NIL and would hope other passionate alums do as well, in whatever amounts they are comfortable doing. These important funds retain our key players and frankly the loyalty of the players thus far, is remarkable in that they likely are accepting less than they would receive elsewhere.
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