Big C not in the Haas! (didn't use my tix, but followed some of the game on KGO 810 and am now glued to our Pac 12 Television Network). 43-31 with 10 minutes left. Optimistically, I think we're going to shatter that 40 point barrier! (Note that Luka Doncic had 60 points himself last night.)
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Big C not in the Haas! (didn't use my tix, but followed some of the game on KGO 810 and am now glued to our Pac 12 Television Network). 43-31 with 10 minutes left. Optimistically, I think we're going to shatter that 40 point barrier! (Note that Luka Doncic had 60 points himself last night.)
5 second call coming out of a time out. That is classic Fox ball.JimSox said:
Came out with energy. Closed it to two. Then slowed it up. Now down 12
Hey Ute, you are a least supposed to hit the apparatus.
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Okafor could be a beast one day. He could use a Pete Newell Big Man Camp. Man too bad I moved to Hawaii after Pete stopped doing the camp.
Okafor could be good in a year or two. He's strong
Interlude: Anyone see the Waffle House ruckus video that went viral? Female employee had skills. Deflected/caught flying chair and helicopter punched one of the perps. Jedi.
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KoreAmBear said:
Man what happened to Sam. He was so good from 3 last year. Now he can't make one.
Small sample size from November through January last season. Then what happened was, the staff's coaching finally started to take effect.
Great hands. Lars needs to ask her where she trains.bearister said:
Interlude: Anyone see the Waffle House ruckus video that went viral? Female employee had skills. Deflected/caught flying chair and helicopter punched one of the perps. Jedi.
If you're looking for something, anything, to like about this year's team: Kuany and Lars both have nice-looking strokes from the free-throw line and their percentages bear that out. Hey, most everybody else, watch these guys.
One of K2's better games.Big C said:
If you're looking for something, anything, to like about this year's team: Kuany and Lars both have nice-looking strokes from the free-throw line and their percentages bear that out. Hey, most everybody else, watch these guys.
So we all of a sudden are atrocious from the line tonight. The one thing we're good at. Sigh.
Utah is 85% on free throws, we are 56%.
Well it was a nice run to cut it to 2 and now back to the norm.
Ben - "It will be nice when they get some guys back." LOL. I guess he bought into the injury report on the big screen the other day. You lose credibility covering for Fox like that Ben.
Ben - "It will be nice when they get some guys back." LOL. I guess he bought into the injury report on the big screen the other day. You lose credibility covering for Fox like that Ben.
KoreAmBear said:
Well it was a nice run to cut it to 2 and now back to the norm.
Ben - "It will be nice when they get some guys back." LOL. I guess he bought into the injury report on the big screen the other day. You lose credibility covering for Fox like that Ben.
It's just one member of the coaching fraternity sympathizing with another. Braun had a couple of dumpster fire seasons at Rice that were almost as bad as this Cal season.
Original take: We seem to struggle to put the ball in the basket.
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clayton 2-10 with one three
but he looked promising. he will help us
2K showing out on both offense, defense, rebounding
Okofor's best game
but he looked promising. he will help us
2K showing out on both offense, defense, rebounding
Okofor's best game
barsad said:
Utah is 85% on free throws, we are 56%.
Kuany went 2-4 right after I posted that. He showed me. Actually, coming into this game, we were 2nd in the conference in FT%.
Cal tonight: 43 pts, 32 boards, 4 assists
Luka Doncic last night: 60 pts, 21 boards, 10 assists
Cal holds its oppoenent to 3-19 from 3ptFG, but still loses by 15,Wow...
Hold opponent to under 60 points - good
Only score 43 - very very bad
Only score 43 - very very bad
I'm wondering why we didn't press or trap when we were down 10 or so with 3 or 4 minutes remaining. Passive defense was not going to get us the win.
Agreed, stu, that's really all they have in their toolbox, good D, high effort, so why not press?
The post-game Fox interviews on 810 AM radio are hard to listen to. Same as Braun's whitewashing, just a lot of platitudes. He attributed this loss to "we're not helping each other on offense." Wow, some insight, Mr. Fox.
I'm serious, Bear Insiders, come to the games with a Firefox shirt, a sign, whatever it takes, this guy can't be at Haas for the 23-24 season.
The post-game Fox interviews on 810 AM radio are hard to listen to. Same as Braun's whitewashing, just a lot of platitudes. He attributed this loss to "we're not helping each other on offense." Wow, some insight, Mr. Fox.
I'm serious, Bear Insiders, come to the games with a Firefox shirt, a sign, whatever it takes, this guy can't be at Haas for the 23-24 season.
Watching Buffs v Stanford, good game, Buffs on Sat. will not roll over. Let's deemphasize Lars, more Okafor, and make K2 our scorer. 12 points is OK, but we need 25 from him if we're going to ever win again.
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I'm wondering why we didn't press or trap when we were down 10 or so with 3 or 4 minutes remaining. Passive defense was not going to get us the win.
I thought the offense was passive, too. No urgency when trailing late in the game. Troubling to me was a lack of agility or quickness compared to Utah's. Terrible game for both Newell and Lars, who looked quite upset after he fouled out. Maybe Askew lacked the penetration ability we saw earlier because he's not fully recovered. So could be some better days ahead as he recovers and Clayton shakes off the rust. Or maybe we're just not good enough. And for God's sake, somebody has to be able to shoot!
K2 had a good game, and I hope he can start putting up 15 or better one day. While he was able to make some nice forays to the hoops when lanes are open, I haven't really ever seen him take anyone off the dribble to the hoop and finish. His game is three point shots and sometimes finding openings to basket. And he shoots FTs well (although not tonight). He hasn't developed his game much in between that. No mid-range pull up, no And 1 game. Along with Joel's lack of development on offense (same with Roberson, same with Bowser, same with Hyder), I see a pattern with the lack of coaching.barsad said:
Watching Buffs v Stanford, good game, Buffs on Sat. will not roll over. Let's deemphasize Lars, more Okafor, and make K2 our scorer. 12 points is OK, but we need 25 from him if we're going to ever win again.
Speaking of coaching, this excerpt from a subscriber-only article by Jon Wilner:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/12/28/pac-12-basketball-hot-seat-update-as-the-conference-season-begins/
(I posted less than 1/2 of less than 1/12 of the text so I think it's fair use.)
Chance of a vacancy: 95 percent. Anywhere else, and the likelihood of dismissal would be eight trillion percent. (Actually, Fox already would have been fired by any other school … except Stanford). But Cal is a tough gig, the standards aren't exactly lofty, and the public pressure to make a change is modest.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/12/28/pac-12-basketball-hot-seat-update-as-the-conference-season-begins/
(I posted less than 1/2 of less than 1/12 of the text so I think it's fair use.)
Chance of a vacancy: 95 percent. Anywhere else, and the likelihood of dismissal would be eight trillion percent. (Actually, Fox already would have been fired by any other school … except Stanford). But Cal is a tough gig, the standards aren't exactly lofty, and the public pressure to make a change is modest.
Sad when everyone knows the coach should be fired now except our AD.stu said:
Speaking of coaching, this excerpt from a subscriber-only article by Jon Wilner:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/12/28/pac-12-basketball-hot-seat-update-as-the-conference-season-begins/
(I posted less than 1/2 of less than 1/12 of the text so I think it's fair use.)
Chance of a vacancy: 95 percent. Anywhere else, and the likelihood of dismissal would be eight trillion percent. (Actually, Fox already would have been fired by any other school … except Stanford). But Cal is a tough gig, the standards aren't exactly lofty, and the public pressure to make a change is modest.
But we outshot 'em from 3.....16.7% to 15.8%....that's good isn't it?
Because we got one of our injured guys back! He made our threes! What do you see? UC Injuries.bearmanpg said:
But we outshot 'em from 3.....16.7% to 15.8%....that's good isn't it?
Agreed -its been posted before but I couldn't find it, but what is the buy out to terminate Fox after the season?. There are various dates that decrease the money owed and there are multiple payout areas beyond a straight salary. Would be very helpful to know the total amounts required to buy out the HC. Because as loyal/passionate alums/donors meet with the AD (now and after season) the first objection likely from the AD is well "we have X financial obligation and unless we get donor's to step up, how do we cover that obligation"? A donor did that to buy out Wyking's remaining 3 year salary and that will have to be the case here. Thanks to whomever has the accurate information and can post it when convenient.KoreAmBear said:Sad when everyone knows the coach should be fired now except our AD.stu said:
Speaking of coaching, this excerpt from a subscriber-only article by Jon Wilner:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/12/28/pac-12-basketball-hot-seat-update-as-the-conference-season-begins/
(I posted less than 1/2 of less than 1/12 of the text so I think it's fair use.)
Chance of a vacancy: 95 percent. Anywhere else, and the likelihood of dismissal would be eight trillion percent. (Actually, Fox already would have been fired by any other school … except Stanford). But Cal is a tough gig, the standards aren't exactly lofty, and the public pressure to make a change is modest.
If I were donating millions (which I'm not) to buy out Fox's contract I would insist on a hiring committee for his successor composed of maybe half a dozen people who know basketball and have connections to Cal. Names which immediately come to mind are Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Ben Braun, Jaylen Brown, Jason Kidd, Sean Marks, and Mike Montgomery. Knowlton could sit in on the meetings but not vote, his primary role would be to sign the contract.
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Fox's base salary is $275,000 annually. Here's how much he'll earn on an annual basis between his base salary and talent fee:4thGenCal said:Agreed -its been posted before but I couldn't find it, but what is the buy out to terminate Fox after the season?. There are various dates that decrease the money owed and there are multiple payout areas beyond a straight salary. Would be very helpful to know the total amounts required to buy out the HC. Because as loyal/passionate alums/donors meet with the AD (now and after season) the first objection likely from the AD is well "we have X financial obligation and unless we get donor's to step up, how do we cover that obligation"? A donor did that to buy out Wyking's remaining 3 year salary and that will have to be the case here. Thanks to whomever has the accurate information and can post it when convenient.KoreAmBear said:Sad when everyone knows the coach should be fired now except our AD.stu said:
Speaking of coaching, this excerpt from a subscriber-only article by Jon Wilner:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/12/28/pac-12-basketball-hot-seat-update-as-the-conference-season-begins/
(I posted less than 1/2 of less than 1/12 of the text so I think it's fair use.)
Chance of a vacancy: 95 percent. Anywhere else, and the likelihood of dismissal would be eight trillion percent. (Actually, Fox already would have been fired by any other school … except Stanford). But Cal is a tough gig, the standards aren't exactly lofty, and the public pressure to make a change is modest.
- Year One: $1.5 million
- Year Two: $1.575 million
- Year Three: $1.65 million
- Year Four: $1.725 million
- Year Five: $1.8 million
If Fox is terminated without cause, here's how much the university will owe him:
- Year One: 100% of the base salary and talent fee for the remainder of the contract year in which the termination occurs.
- Year Two: 100% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year
- Year Three: 75% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year
- Year Four: 50% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year
- Year Five: 25% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year
This was his original contract. Not sure how the 1 year extension affected the buyout, if at all.
And if I were one of these loyal/passionate alums/donors I would respond to the AD with "well, what was your plan when you chose to hire this coach, that will help us understand how to help fund (fix) your mistake"4thGenCal said:Agreed -its been posted before but I couldn't find it, but what is the buy out to terminate Fox after the season?. There are various dates that decrease the money owed and there are multiple payout areas beyond a straight salary. Would be very helpful to know the total amounts required to buy out the HC. Because as loyal/passionate alums/donors meet with the AD (now and after season) the first objection likely from the AD is well "we have X financial obligation and unless we get donor's to step up, how do we cover that obligation"? A donor did that to buy out Wyking's remaining 3 year salary and that will have to be the case here. Thanks to whomever has the accurate information and can post it when convenient.KoreAmBear said:Sad when everyone knows the coach should be fired now except our AD.stu said:
Speaking of coaching, this excerpt from a subscriber-only article by Jon Wilner:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/12/28/pac-12-basketball-hot-seat-update-as-the-conference-season-begins/
(I posted less than 1/2 of less than 1/12 of the text so I think it's fair use.)
Chance of a vacancy: 95 percent. Anywhere else, and the likelihood of dismissal would be eight trillion percent. (Actually, Fox already would have been fired by any other school … except Stanford). But Cal is a tough gig, the standards aren't exactly lofty, and the public pressure to make a change is modest.
MoragaBear said:Fox's base salary is $275,000 annually. Here's how much he'll earn on an annual basis between his base salary and talent fee:4thGenCal said:Agreed -its been posted before but I couldn't find it, but what is the buy out to terminate Fox after the season?. There are various dates that decrease the money owed and there are multiple payout areas beyond a straight salary. Would be very helpful to know the total amounts required to buy out the HC. Because as loyal/passionate alums/donors meet with the AD (now and after season) the first objection likely from the AD is well "we have X financial obligation and unless we get donor's to step up, how do we cover that obligation"? A donor did that to buy out Wyking's remaining 3 year salary and that will have to be the case here. Thanks to whomever has the accurate information and can post it when convenient.KoreAmBear said:Sad when everyone knows the coach should be fired now except our AD.stu said:
Speaking of coaching, this excerpt from a subscriber-only article by Jon Wilner:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/12/28/pac-12-basketball-hot-seat-update-as-the-conference-season-begins/
(I posted less than 1/2 of less than 1/12 of the text so I think it's fair use.)
Chance of a vacancy: 95 percent. Anywhere else, and the likelihood of dismissal would be eight trillion percent. (Actually, Fox already would have been fired by any other school … except Stanford). But Cal is a tough gig, the standards aren't exactly lofty, and the public pressure to make a change is modest.
- Year One: $1.5 million
- Year Two: $1.575 million
- Year Three: $1.65 million
- Year Four: $1.725 million
- Year Five: $1.8 million
If Fox is terminated without cause, here's how much the university will owe him:
- Year One: 100% of the base salary and talent fee for the remainder of the contract year in which the termination occurs.
- Year Two: 100% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year
- Year Three: 75% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year
- Year Four: 50% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year
- Year Five: 25% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year
This was his original contract. Not sure how the 1 year extension affected the buyout, if at all.
Yeah, I remember that article and it was a little confusing, especially with the extension (1 year or two?) but best guess is 50% of about $1.8 million or $900,000? Nothing like the Wilcox situation.
also need to buyout the new coach ... unless he's been unemployed for a yearcalumnus said:MoragaBear said:Fox's base salary is $275,000 annually. Here's how much he'll earn on an annual basis between his base salary and talent fee:4thGenCal said:Agreed -its been posted before but I couldn't find it, but what is the buy out to terminate Fox after the season?. There are various dates that decrease the money owed and there are multiple payout areas beyond a straight salary. Would be very helpful to know the total amounts required to buy out the HC. Because as loyal/passionate alums/donors meet with the AD (now and after season) the first objection likely from the AD is well "we have X financial obligation and unless we get donor's to step up, how do we cover that obligation"? A donor did that to buy out Wyking's remaining 3 year salary and that will have to be the case here. Thanks to whomever has the accurate information and can post it when convenient.KoreAmBear said:Sad when everyone knows the coach should be fired now except our AD.stu said:
Speaking of coaching, this excerpt from a subscriber-only article by Jon Wilner:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/12/28/pac-12-basketball-hot-seat-update-as-the-conference-season-begins/
(I posted less than 1/2 of less than 1/12 of the text so I think it's fair use.)
Chance of a vacancy: 95 percent. Anywhere else, and the likelihood of dismissal would be eight trillion percent. (Actually, Fox already would have been fired by any other school … except Stanford). But Cal is a tough gig, the standards aren't exactly lofty, and the public pressure to make a change is modest.
- Year One: $1.5 million
- Year Two: $1.575 million
- Year Three: $1.65 million
- Year Four: $1.725 million
- Year Five: $1.8 million
If Fox is terminated without cause, here's how much the university will owe him:
- Year One: 100% of the base salary and talent fee for the remainder of the contract year in which the termination occurs.
- Year Two: 100% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year
- Year Three: 75% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year
- Year Four: 50% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year
- Year Five: 25% of the base salary and talent fee for the next contract year
This was his original contract. Not sure how the 1 year extension affected the buyout, if at all.
Yeah, I remember that article and it was a little confusing, especially with the extension (1 year or two?) but best guess is 50% of about $1.8 million or $900,000? Nothing like the Wilcox situation.
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