- I say no. Is there a way to start a poll?
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Do you think Fox will be fired?
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Last: 1 yr ago by calumnus
Assuming we win 0-2 games the rest of the way (or 3... whatever), how could he not be fired?
A reliable poster today posted that somebody's going to need to come up with the money. True. But I can't recall, in my 40+ years of Cal Football and Basketball, a coach ever surviving these kind of results. It would be like if Wilcox went 2-12 next season (not gonna happen!): Gotta get done.
He will not be fired. No one is going to come up with the money because they don't want to give it to the AD who will once again make a disastrous hire.
So we are stuck with him until either the AD is fired (also very little chance) or (the most likely) until his contract expires.
Tune in to Cal basketball about 5 years from now and maybe things will be a little bit better.
So we are stuck with him until either the AD is fired (also very little chance) or (the most likely) until his contract expires.
Tune in to Cal basketball about 5 years from now and maybe things will be a little bit better.
Econ141 said:
He will not be fired. No one is going to come up with the money because they don't want to give it to the AD who will once again make a disastrous hire.
So we are stuck with him until either the AD is fired (also very little chance) or (the most likely) until his contract expires.
Tune in to Cal basketball about 5 years from now and maybe things will be a little bit better.
This has been set up as a false dichotomy. According to my calculations we could fire Fox today, keep Francis as the interim, do an exhaustive search and give a young up and coming coach a 4 year contract at $1.2 million per year at zero net cost. The key is the "we" needs to be a search committee of Cal basketball alums/boosters, with the final selection only rubber-stamped by Knowlton.
Pasternak makes $375,000 at UCSB. Most of the coaches we would look at (DeCuire, Legans, etc, etc) are in the same range or less. $1.2 million is ALOT of money for the vast majority of college basketball coaches.
The donors could then give their money to the NIL collective to help bring in the players for the new coach.
But that is what COULD or SHOULD happen. Will it happen? I'm not optimistic.
Yes, but Knowlton wasn't the AD for the vast majority of those 40+ years. And Fox won't be fired because nobody with enough wealth cares enough about Cal basketball anymore to pony up the money.Big C said:
I can't recall, in my 40+ years of Cal Football and Basketball, a coach ever surviving these kind of results. It would be like if Wilcox went 2-12 next season (not gonna happen!): Gotta get done.
Golden One said:Yes, but Knowlton wasn't the AD for the vast majority of those 40+ years. And Fox won't be fired because nobody with enough wealth cares enough about Cal basketball anymore to pony up the money.Big C said:
I can't recall, in my 40+ years of Cal Football and Basketball, a coach ever surviving these kind of results. It would be like if Wilcox went 2-12 next season (not gonna happen!): Gotta get done.
If Knowlton doesn't fire Fox, "because of the money"does he extend him "for recruiting"? I hate to contemplate it.
Golden One said:Yes, but Knowlton wasn't the AD for the vast majority of those 40+ years. And Fox won't be fired because nobody with enough wealth cares enough about Cal basketball anymore to pony up the money.Big C said:
I can't recall, in my 40+ years of Cal Football and Basketball, a coach ever surviving these kind of results. It would be like if Wilcox went 2-12 next season (not gonna happen!): Gotta get done.
I usually root for you to be right, my friend, but I hope you're wrong on this one. Knowlton isn't the first lame AD we've had... or the second, or the third... A change will need to be made and it will (um... fingers crossed).
Easy for me to use other people's money, but if our donors cannot afford a 1.8 or 3.6 M buyout (not sure if the COVID extension adds to the buyout) after this year, we have really big issues. Isn't Knowlton trying to build an 80 or 120M practice facility? If we can't afford to buyout a severely underperforming coach for 1% of the practice facility price, I don't think his fundraising efforts will go very well.
If Fox is back next year, I just can't support the program. Not being dramatic or looking for attention, I just will not have any reason to follow the games or show up to Haas. And I'm pretty sure even the few diehard fans still here will also bow out as well
If Fox is back next year, I just can't support the program. Not being dramatic or looking for attention, I just will not have any reason to follow the games or show up to Haas. And I'm pretty sure even the few diehard fans still here will also bow out as well
I truly hope you're right and that I'm wrong. I have, frankly, just lost confidence in the management of our athletic department. Our basketball program needs a major shakeup, and our football program isn't far behind. Our two main revenue sports are really in the ditch.Big C said:Golden One said:Yes, but Knowlton wasn't the AD for the vast majority of those 40+ years. And Fox won't be fired because nobody with enough wealth cares enough about Cal basketball anymore to pony up the money.Big C said:
I can't recall, in my 40+ years of Cal Football and Basketball, a coach ever surviving these kind of results. It would be like if Wilcox went 2-12 next season (not gonna happen!): Gotta get done.
I usually root for you to be right, my friend, but I hope you're wrong on this one. Knowlton isn't the first lame AD we've had... or the second, or the third... A change will need to be made and it will (um... fingers crossed).
I've had season tickets for 27 years, and my current seats are in the 9th row of the chairbacks in Section 2. They are primo seats. My wife, however, is encouraging me not to renew next year, as she is fed up with Cal basketball. I hate to say it, but I'm giving her request serious consideration. This debacle is just too much.eastcoastcal said:
Easy for me to use other people's money, but if our donors cannot afford a 1.8 or 3.6 M buyout (not sure if the COVID extension adds to the buyout) after this year, we have really big issues. Isn't Knowlton trying to build an 80 or 120M practice facility? If we can't afford to buyout a severely underperforming coach for 1% of the practice facility price, I don't think his fundraising efforts will go very well.
If Fox is back next year, I just can't support the program. Not being dramatic or looking for attention, I just will not have any reason to follow the games or show up to Haas. And I'm pretty sure even the few diehard fans still here will also bow out as well
Golden One said:I've had season tickets for 27 years, and my current seats are in the 9th row of the chairbacks in Section 2. They are primo seats. My wife, however, is encouraging me not to renew next year, as she is fed up with Cal basketball. I hate to say it, but I'm giving her request serious consideration. This debacle is just too much.eastcoastcal said:
Easy for me to use other people's money, but if our donors cannot afford a 1.8 or 3.6 M buyout (not sure if the COVID extension adds to the buyout) after this year, we have really big issues. Isn't Knowlton trying to build an 80 or 120M practice facility? If we can't afford to buyout a severely underperforming coach for 1% of the practice facility price, I don't think his fundraising efforts will go very well.
If Fox is back next year, I just can't support the program. Not being dramatic or looking for attention, I just will not have any reason to follow the games or show up to Haas. And I'm pretty sure even the few diehard fans still here will also bow out as well
You have watched some pretty good basketball over those 27 years.
That the AD is doing zero to better the state of the program is insulting to fans like you/us.
I graduated in 1997 and was able to see the last game at Harmon, flew to see the sweet 16 game in Syracuse, and shortly after I graduated and worked in DC for a while, drove up to NYC to see the team win the NIT. Ever since those days, I've enjoyed watching the team compete with the best teams in the conference up untill the past few years where we are now quite literally the worst program in the P5.
Respect to you for all the support over the past 27 and I don't blame you at all for questioning it going forward.
The Fox hire was clearly Knowlton's mistake. Why shouldn't the buyout come from Knowlton's inflated salary?eastcoastcal said:
Easy for me to use other people's money, but if our donors cannot afford a 1.8 or 3.6 M buyout (not sure if the COVID extension adds to the buyout) after this year, we have really big issues. Isn't Knowlton trying to build an 80 or 120M practice facility? If we can't afford to buyout a severely underperforming coach for 1% of the practice facility price, I don't think his fundraising efforts will go very well.
I wish it wouldstu said:The Fox hire was clearly Knowlton's mistake. Why shouldn't the buyout come from Knowlton's inflated salary?eastcoastcal said:
Easy for me to use other people's money, but if our donors cannot afford a 1.8 or 3.6 M buyout (not sure if the COVID extension adds to the buyout) after this year, we have really big issues. Isn't Knowlton trying to build an 80 or 120M practice facility? If we can't afford to buyout a severely underperforming coach for 1% of the practice facility price, I don't think his fundraising efforts will go very well.
BTW, can someone replicate what we did for the Wilcox and Knowlton contracts, and do a records request to obtain Fox's contract? I want to know explicitly what the deal is with the COVID extension and corresponding effect on buyout
I have has season tickets since 1986. There was a big line outside Harmon to buy season tickets when Cal was announced in The NIT THAT year. They would not sell you Nit tickets unless you were a season ticket holder.Nit was sold out!Golden One said:I've had season tickets for 27 years, and my current seats are in the 9th row of the chairbacks in Section 2. They are primo seats. My wife, however, is encouraging me not to renew next year, as she is fed up with Cal basketball. I hate to say it, but I'm giving her request serious consideration. This debacle is just too much.eastcoastcal said:
Easy for me to use other people's money, but if our donors cannot afford a 1.8 or 3.6 M buyout (not sure if the COVID extension adds to the buyout) after this year, we have really big issues. Isn't Knowlton trying to build an 80 or 120M practice facility? If we can't afford to buyout a severely underperforming coach for 1% of the practice facility price, I don't think his fundraising efforts will go very well.
If Fox is back next year, I just can't support the program. Not being dramatic or looking for attention, I just will not have any reason to follow the games or show up to Haas. And I'm pretty sure even the few diehard fans still here will also bow out as well
Anyway for most of the time I had season tickets down low in section 14. Last years there we got a senior rate. Great deal.Two years ago we decided to buy Chairbacks. Ticket office claimed there was nothing below mid way up.n then they found some seats in section 17 Row C. I needed three seats. They ran me around and would not sell three seats leaving one on the isle. So I had to take two together and 1 three seats down . No one has ever sat in the two seats in-between in two years except poachers. The row behind me always has opposing fans and they are not being sold on stub hub.The Ato held those seats which makes it miserable for those of us below when the opposing fans get nasty. There has never been anyone in Row A, the lodge seats except student poachers who get kicked out.
The cost is ridiculous, $2000 per seat which included the mandatory donation. It seems I am then-only one paying it anywhere near where we sit. Someone mentioned that it would be stupid to pay this unless you consider it a donation. True..
Will not renew if Fox is the coach. The enjoyment I once got is gone. No Cal fans to talk to there. Maybe the cheap seats would be more fun and I would not have to Put up with opposing fans.
Enough is Enough. Plus they ran out of ice cream yesterday. Not enough profit
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I think whether Fox is fired depends on whether Knowlton even cares about maintaining the fan base. Most of the revenue at this point comes from TV, which we get whether we win or not. Given the TV schedule, and the plethora of weeknight games that most people can't get to, we'd have to reach Arizona levels of success to get crowd levels up significantly. Therefore, the ROI on improving basketball is quite low, IMHO. What he's risking is how many of the remaining season ticket holders will drop out with another year of Fox. I'm not sure how many of you are even left. Not many, based on the atttendance at the games I"ve attended.
The new tv pay out wont be as lucrative.Jeff82 said:
I think whether Fox is fired depends on whether Knowlton even cares about maintaining the fan base. Most of the revenue at this point comes from TV, which we get whether we win or not. Given the TV schedule, and the plethora of weeknight games that most people can't get to, we'd have to reach Arizona levels of success to get crowd levels up significantly. Therefore, the ROI on improving basketball is quite low, IMHO. What he's risking is how many of the remaining season ticket holders will drop out with another year of Fox. I'm not sure how many of you are even left. Not many, based on the atttendance at the games I"ve attended.
Go Bears!
No it won't be, but the issue is still the same. There's very little incentive to buy season tickets when the games are at all different times and days, including mid-week games that are at 6 p.m. or 8 p.m., which most people can't get to or can't stay for.
Unless a new TV contract changes the scheduling so most games are on Friday, Saturday or Sunday, ticket sales will remain low.
Unless a new TV contract changes the scheduling so most games are on Friday, Saturday or Sunday, ticket sales will remain low.
Can a big-time college athletic program survive without any fans? Apparently Carol and Jim believe that is the case. Or else perhaps they really don't want our program to survive beyond an Ivy League level,or believe that it cannot survive with growing professionalization. Is this a conscious strategy?
Two advantages of dropping to a lower level of competition are TV wouldn't determine the schedule and the game day experience would have to be improved.
Pretty sure i saw that his buyout in March goes down to $600k or something- pretty low compared to right now. Someone posted a link to his contract in another thread but I can' remember exactly where.
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have you spoke to your cal rep about this?oskidunker said:I have has season tickets since 1986. There was a big line outside Harmon to buy season tickets when Cal was announced in The NIT THAT year. They would not sell you Nit tickets unless you were a season ticket holder.Nit was sold out!Golden One said:I've had season tickets for 27 years, and my current seats are in the 9th row of the chairbacks in Section 2. They are primo seats. My wife, however, is encouraging me not to renew next year, as she is fed up with Cal basketball. I hate to say it, but I'm giving her request serious consideration. This debacle is just too much.eastcoastcal said:
Easy for me to use other people's money, but if our donors cannot afford a 1.8 or 3.6 M buyout (not sure if the COVID extension adds to the buyout) after this year, we have really big issues. Isn't Knowlton trying to build an 80 or 120M practice facility? If we can't afford to buyout a severely underperforming coach for 1% of the practice facility price, I don't think his fundraising efforts will go very well.
If Fox is back next year, I just can't support the program. Not being dramatic or looking for attention, I just will not have any reason to follow the games or show up to Haas. And I'm pretty sure even the few diehard fans still here will also bow out as well
Anyway for most of the time I had season tickets down low in section 14. Last years there we got a senior rate. Great deal.Two years ago we decided to buy Chairbacks. Ticket office claimed there was nothing below mid way up.n then they found some seats in section 17 Row C. I needed three seats. They ran me around and would not sell three seats leaving one on the isle. So I had to take two together and 1 three seats down . No one has ever sat in the two seats in-between in two years except poachers. The row behind me always has opposing fans and they are not being sold on stub hub.The Ato held those seats which makes it miserable for those of us below when the opposing fans get nasty. There has never been anyone in Row A, the lodge seats except student poachers who get kicked out.
The cost is ridiculous, $2000 per seat which included the mandatory donation. It seems I am then-only one paying it anywhere near where we sit. Someone mentioned that it would be stupid to pay this unless you consider it a donation. True..
Will not renew if Fox is the coach. The enjoyment I once got is gone. No Cal fans to talk to there. Maybe the cheap seats would be more fun and I would not have to Put up with opposing fans.
Enough is Enough. Plus they ran out of ice cream yesterday. Not enough profit
I would think they could solve this, but wouldn't be surprised if they didn't.
I think a lot of seats are sold to people who rarely or never attend games (kinda a donation), but it's frustrating to buy expensive seats so high up when so many better seats are empty
I have the same problem with WBB season tickets
(my MBB seats are very good)
I feel like this is the situation: Firing Fox is the best course of action, but there is so little faith in the AD that donors don't want to waste money. If I had the money to donate, I certainly wouldn't give it Knowlton to waste on another Fox type coach.
Yes, it would be contingent on removing decision power from Knowlton.parentswerebears said:
I feel like this is the situation: Firing Fox is the best course of action, but there is so little faith in the AD that donors don't want to waste money. If I had the money to donate, I certainly wouldn't give it Knowlton to waste on another Fox type coach.
I would propose the buyout with the stipulation that an advisory committee of Shareef, Kidd, Montgomery, Sean Marks, Jaylen Brown be formed.
Man, can you imagine the candidates that committee would come up with??
We should have a team meeting with Fox and let him know he will be fired the moment his buyout goes down to 600k and the players will get to split the difference between that and if we fired him today, payable as soon as he's gone. Then he can can either resign in shame now, or get fired in shame in March.jsherr said:
Pretty sure i saw that his buyout in March goes down to $600k or something- pretty low compared to right now. Someone posted a link to his contract in another thread but I can' remember exactly where.
parentswerebears said:
I feel like this is the situation: Firing Fox is the best course of action, but there is so little faith in the AD that donors don't want to waste money. If I had the money to donate, I certainly wouldn't give it Knowlton to waste on another Fox type coach.
You might be right and, wow, what does that say, when the AD cannot be trusted to perform arguably his most important job -- hiring coaches for the revenue sports.
Seems pretty clear to me what changes have to be made.
There is also national optics. For cal to retain a coach who goes 3 and X is just laughable. Then lets add that I really think ANY player that has a pulse is going to put their name in the portal. I mean would YOU want to go through another year of this unless you REALLY want to be at Cal or are close to graduating. It honestly (and it is near impossbile to type this) COULD get worse next year.
Take care of your Chicken
bearsandgiants said:We should have a team meeting with Fox and let him know he will be fired the moment his buyout goes down to 600k and the players will get to split the difference between that and if we fired him today, payable as soon as he's gone. Then he can can either resign in shame now, or get fired in shame in March.jsherr said:
Pretty sure i saw that his buyout in March goes down to $600k or something- pretty low compared to right now. Someone posted a link to his contract in another thread but I can' remember exactly where.
The total payments due to Fox will increase if we wait until the end of the current contract period to fire him.
He gets paid 100% of the contract year you fire him. 100% of the following. 75% of the next and 50% after that.
Fire him now:
2022-23 100%
2023-24 100%
2024-25. 75%
Fire him in April:
2022-23 100%
2023-24 100%
2024-25 100%
If we wait "the buyout" goes down because 2022-23 is just his salary and talent fee, not "buyout."
Plus he has an obligation to mitigate so the sooner we fire him he will have more time to work with the placement firm that landed him the Cal job.
Big C said:parentswerebears said:
I feel like this is the situation: Firing Fox is the best course of action, but there is so little faith in the AD that donors don't want to waste money. If I had the money to donate, I certainly wouldn't give it Knowlton to waste on another Fox type coach.
You might be right and, wow, what does that say, when the AD cannot be trusted to perform arguably his most important job -- hiring coaches for the revenue sports.
Seems pretty clear to me what changes have to be made.
Or not giving swim coaches huge contracts when there have been complaints of abuse that you have failed to investigate?
Does Chancellor Christ understand how rotten the AD is or is she just overlooking it all?calumnus said:Big C said:parentswerebears said:
I feel like this is the situation: Firing Fox is the best course of action, but there is so little faith in the AD that donors don't want to waste money. If I had the money to donate, I certainly wouldn't give it Knowlton to waste on another Fox type coach.
You might be right and, wow, what does that say, when the AD cannot be trusted to perform arguably his most important job -- hiring coaches for the revenue sports.
Seems pretty clear to me what changes have to be made.
Or not giving swim coaches huge contracts when there have been complaints of abuse that you have failed to investigate?
calumnus said:Big C said:parentswerebears said:
I feel like this is the situation: Firing Fox is the best course of action, but there is so little faith in the AD that donors don't want to waste money. If I had the money to donate, I certainly wouldn't give it Knowlton to waste on another Fox type coach.
You might be right and, wow, what does that say, when the AD cannot be trusted to perform arguably his most important job -- hiring coaches for the revenue sports.
Seems pretty clear to me what changes have to be made.
Or not giving swim coaches huge contracts when there have been complaints of abuse that you have failed to investigate?
I'm hoping that will be our way out of this mess. Seems like most everybody in the University community could get behind this cause. Make it uncomfortable enough for him, then pay him a nominal fee to go away and get left alone.
KoreAmBear said:Does Chancellor Christ understand how rotten the AD is or is she just overlooking it all?calumnus said:Big C said:parentswerebears said:
I feel like this is the situation: Firing Fox is the best course of action, but there is so little faith in the AD that donors don't want to waste money. If I had the money to donate, I certainly wouldn't give it Knowlton to waste on another Fox type coach.
You might be right and, wow, what does that say, when the AD cannot be trusted to perform arguably his most important job -- hiring coaches for the revenue sports.
Seems pretty clear to me what changes have to be made.
Or not giving swim coaches huge contracts when there have been complaints of abuse that you have failed to investigate?
That is the question, isn't it? I'd say the former, as Carol Christ is level-headed, knows Cal and is no dummy.
OTOH, she at the very minimum, signed off on Knowlton's ridiculous extension, so pride may come into play. I sure would have liked to have been a fly in the room when that decision was made, just out of curiosity.
Regarding any possible firing of Fox in-season, I thought there might be a 10% chance that he would be let go after the non-conference games. Then Sunday's Beaver game was so bad, I thought there might be a 5% chance that he would be gone yesterday or today (wait, have they maybe announced a press conference?). At this point, I guess they wait until the week of the Pac 12 Tournament or the next workday after we are eliminated.
The important thing to note, though, is that a competent AD is free to be laying the groundwork for this over the next six weeks, even as the season plays out...
- gather the necessary funding
- contact trusted advisors to consult with as to who to hire
- hate to say the words "search firm", but sometimes they can identify candidates that Cal people aren't aware of
- start to develop a short list
If you keyed in on my words "a competent AD" above, hey, what can I say, but it looks like our current guy will get a second chance to show what he can do on this.
The issue is likely the $3.15M+ buyout total needed, assuming a April 1 termination. Are there enough passionate alums who will front the necessary monies? Remember there are competing areas of greatly needed NIL funds, Caliber funding, Excellence Club funding, Grid Club funding and supporting Olympic sports w/in the Cal Athletic programs. And those areas of donations/giving do not factor in the large funds needed for the Practice Facility. The sad state is that apathy is settling in and until a few wealthy passionate alums, who truly care about a winning program agree to step up - its far easier and to slog thru another dismal season. Not agreeing with the kick the can down the road, but the AD can likely say that another year means a lower buyout and does not detract funding from other needed areas. Its not a slam dunk that a termination occurs after the season.Big C said:
Regarding any possible firing of Fox in-season, I thought there might be a 10% chance that he would be let go after the non-conference games. Then Sunday's Beaver game was so bad, I thought there might be a 5% chance that he would be gone yesterday or today (wait, have they maybe announced a press conference?). At this point, I guess they wait until the week of the Pac 12 Tournament or the next workday after we are eliminated.
The important thing to note, though, is that a competent AD is free to be laying the groundwork for this over the next six weeks, even as the season plays out...
- gather the necessary funding
- contact trusted advisors to consult with as to who to hire
- hate to say the words "search firm", but sometimes they can identify candidates that Cal people aren't aware of
- start to develop a short list
If you keyed in on my words "a competent AD" above, hey, what can I say, but it looks like our current guy will get a second chance to show what he can do on this.
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Understood, however my message to JK would be that the $1.5M delta between firing after this season vs keeping for another season can probably be semi-recouped (perhaps not fully) by the difference in attendance. I am willing to bet that many of the remaining people who show up to games this season will not return to Haas for another season of Fox (I think I am one of them, and I'm a student!) versus the uptick in attendance that a new coach with a higher ceiling might provide.4thGenCal said:The issue is likely the $3.15M+ buyout total needed, assuming a April 1 termination. Are there enough passionate alums who will front the necessary monies? Remember there are competing areas of greatly needed NIL funds, Caliber funding, Excellence Club funding, Grid Club funding and supporting Olympic sports w/in the Cal Athletic programs. And those areas of donations/giving do not factor in the large funds needed for the Practice Facility. The sad state is that apathy is settling in and until a few wealthy passionate alums, who truly care about a winning program agree to step up - its far easier and to slog thru another dismal season. Not agreeing with the kick the can down the road, but the AD can likely say that another year means a lower buyout and does not detract funding from other needed areas. Its not a slam dunk that a termination occurs after the season.Big C said:
Regarding any possible firing of Fox in-season, I thought there might be a 10% chance that he would be let go after the non-conference games. Then Sunday's Beaver game was so bad, I thought there might be a 5% chance that he would be gone yesterday or today (wait, have they maybe announced a press conference?). At this point, I guess they wait until the week of the Pac 12 Tournament or the next workday after we are eliminated.
The important thing to note, though, is that a competent AD is free to be laying the groundwork for this over the next six weeks, even as the season plays out...
- gather the necessary funding
- contact trusted advisors to consult with as to who to hire
- hate to say the words "search firm", but sometimes they can identify candidates that Cal people aren't aware of
- start to develop a short list
If you keyed in on my words "a competent AD" above, hey, what can I say, but it looks like our current guy will get a second chance to show what he can do on this.
Outside the fiscal aspect, what does it say about us as a program and school that we can have the worst season in our history (we would need 8 wins, aka 5 more in order to not have the worst win % in Cal history) and one of the worst seasons ever for a power conference team, and keep the coach for the next year after 4 miserable years? I think we'd be the laughingstock of the country, and rightfully so.
I just think it would be a total embarrassment if Fox is coaching next year, and probably the worst half-decade collapse in all of college sports, going from a 4 seed in the tournament to 6 years of miserable results and a program that can't even find the funds to buyout it's basement-dwelling coach.
That would be my thought process to Knowlton
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