ducky23 said:

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calumnus said:

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ncbears said:

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calumnus said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Pac 12 I suspect Hopkins and Hasse are gone. I think Haase was under an ultimatum to win or else. Hopkins only because Udub seems to have money to throw around.

Salary wise, I don't see thinking about who Texas is considering as relevant.

Dennis Gates, if he will have us and we will pay sufficiently, seems to check off a lot of boxes.

Mark Madsen at Utah Valley and NBA Development League would be an interesting choice. Light on D1 coaching obviously.

Drew Valentine at Loyola Chicago looks like a winner, but probably is not on the search firm's radar.

Legans at Portland and the guy mentioned in the OP any UCSB, though they both come with some Cal baggage.

Then there all the guys the stupid search firm will come-up with.

I really don't trust JK with this decision.

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Shareef Abdur-Rahim for AD

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Why not Sean Marks for AD?

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Shareef Abdul-Rahim
Sean Marks
Amy Trask
Cynt Marshall
Paraag Marathe

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Why not just throw Farhan Zaidi in there as well. Maybe Larry Baer?

Hell, bob myers will probably be looking for a new job by next year. Local kid, went to ucla. Why not

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I do think the smart move would have been bringing in someone who is a smart Cal grad who knows and values our traditions, but has been successful in professional sports management and deals with budgets, profits, marketing, PR, players and their agents, hiring and firing coaches based on results…. Who has a vision for building the California athletics brand as the East Bay and state's rooting interest in the NIL era while working closely with fellow alumni booster groups.

Instead Christ hired the exact opposite and then, even after it was obvious he was a horrible fit, gave him an 8 year extension.

oski003 said:

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Shareef Abdur-Rahim for AD. LBJ for coach. Instead of playing with Bronny in the NBA, he can retire and coach Bronny and guide him to the NBA.

Bring in Jabri and Bronny.

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Then we would have Jabroni

calumnus said:

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Hopkins won PAC-12 COY his first two years at UW but has bombed out the last three. He is yet another example of a defense first guy (scrapper himself as a player) who follows a decent recruiter and achieves better or great success by getting the existing talented players to play better defense (in his case a good defensive system)), but his style and personality makes him a poor recruiter (especially on the West Coast) and his results go down from there.

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Agreed. It's not enough to be a good technical coach in college, you have to be able to recruit or you won't have long-term success. Same thing happened to DeRuyter at Fresno State, I think. Won with someone else's players, then couldn't recruit the replacements.

BeachedBear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Pac 12 I suspect Hopkins and Hasse are gone. I think Haase was under an ultimatum to win or else. Hopkins only because Udub seems to have money to throw around.

Salary wise, I don't see thinking about who Texas is considering as relevant.

Dennis Gates, if he will have us and we will pay sufficiently, seems to check off a lot of boxes.

Mark Madsen at Utah Valley and NBA Development League would be an interesting choice. Light on D1 coaching obviously.

Drew Valentine at Loyola Chicago looks like a winner, but probably is not on the search firm's radar.

Legans at Portland and the guy mentioned in the OP any UCSB, though they both come with some Cal baggage.

Then there all the guys the stupid search firm will come-up with.

I really don't trust JK with this decision.

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FWIW, I sent a list of 60 candidates to JK last year that included some of these. Drew Valentine and Todd Golden were two that I highlighted as deserving of priority scrutiny.

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Did you use your search firm name (or make one up)?

wifeisafurd said:

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BeachedBear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Pac 12 I suspect Hopkins and Hasse are gone. I think Haase was under an ultimatum to win or else. Hopkins only because Udub seems to have money to throw around.

Salary wise, I don't see thinking about who Texas is considering as relevant.

Dennis Gates, if he will have us and we will pay sufficiently, seems to check off a lot of boxes.

Mark Madsen at Utah Valley and NBA Development League would be an interesting choice. Light on D1 coaching obviously.

Drew Valentine at Loyola Chicago looks like a winner, but probably is not on the search firm's radar.

Legans at Portland and the guy mentioned in the OP any UCSB, though they both come with some Cal baggage.

Then there all the guys the stupid search firm will come-up with.

I really don't trust JK with this decision.

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FWIW, I sent a list of 60 candidates to JK last year that included some of these. Drew Valentine and Todd Golden were two that I highlighted as deserving of priority scrutiny.

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Did you use your search firm name (or make one up)?

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We should start a list of garbage candidates that a search firm would come up with so we're prepared. I'll start:

Ben Howland
Herb Sendek
Tommy Amaker
Steve Alford
Mark Gottfried
Lorenzo Romar
Jeff Capel
Bruce Weber
Tom Crean
Buzz Peterson

Knowlton, if you're reading this, STAY AWAY FROM GUYS LIKE THIS.

Chris Beard and call it a day

SBGold said:

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Chris Beard and call it a day

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That would go over real well here

Would you guys prefer we hire a top assistant from a good program or a mid major HC?

eastcoastcal said:

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Would you guys prefer we hire a top assistant from a good program or a mid major HC?

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Head coach because you need to know if a guy can recruit high level talent and with an assistant coach, it's hard to tell which guys are the rainmakers and which aren't. Think of all the assistants from great programs that recruited great talent that flamed out as head coaches. If we were hiring (which I seriously doubt), we're looking to build a program up from basically nothing. We're actually recruiting against an image that says we're not serious about sports. It would take somebody with great charisma and rapport with players to convince a talented player to come here.

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Would you guys prefer we hire a top assistant from a good program or a mid major HC?

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Mid major HC. A young, charismatic leader with experience running a program---even if it's a couple seasons.

While Tommy Lloyd is working out great with Arizona, a big factor is institutional support. He probably gets whatever he needs with minimal interference. That wouldn't happen here.

Therefore a program leader with the experience working within all phases of the university is essential. Someone more equipped in navigating the various pratfalls that a top academic public school poses.

I am not going to mention the coach in the subject line but that is the alpha and omega of our search. Even if all it does is get the practice facility funded (it will) and allow us to get an improved roster (it would) and reconnect with Bear hoops Alumni that are all in on him. There may be another candidate who is realistic for Cal that would be better but I have not heard of him.

In case you are interested the Gauchos are now 17 and 3. Rainbow Warriors gave them a good game but a 1 point win and they are flying back to UCIV a happy group of players.

Honestly we may not be able to get him. He is gong to have some offers - I would assume that Huskies if they are not IDIOTS will be at the front of the line.

socaltownie said:

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I am not going to mention the coach in the subject line but that is the alpha and omega of our search. Even if all it does is get the practice facility funded (it will) and allow us to get an improved roster (it would) and reconnect with Bear hoops Alumni that are all in on him. There may be another candidate who is realistic for Cal that would be better but I have not heard of him.

In case you are interested the Gauchos are now 17 and 3. Rainbow Warriors gave them a good game but a 1 point win and they are flying back to UCIV a happy group of players.

Honestly we may not be able to get him. He is gong to have some offers - I would assume that Huskies if they are not IDIOTS will be at the front of the line.

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You just made me check the Big West standings. Had to look up who the coach is at Riverside who has his team in 2nd place.

Mike Magpayo - Wikipedia Profile

Very interesting background. Checks some boxes for us: young, California native, UC experience (UCSB grad), former CEO of a real estate company and something our school and fan base would appreciate: In July 2020, Magpayo became the first NCAA Division I men's basketball head coach of full Asian heritage

Don't know his recruiting acumen or playing style but someone we should track.

BC Calfan said:

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socaltownie said:

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I am not going to mention the coach in the subject line but that is the alpha and omega of our search. Even if all it does is get the practice facility funded (it will) and allow us to get an improved roster (it would) and reconnect with Bear hoops Alumni that are all in on him. There may be another candidate who is realistic for Cal that would be better but I have not heard of him.

In case you are interested the Gauchos are now 17 and 3. Rainbow Warriors gave them a good game but a 1 point win and they are flying back to UCIV a happy group of players.

Honestly we may not be able to get him. He is gong to have some offers - I would assume that Huskies if they are not IDIOTS will be at the front of the line.

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You just made me check the Big West standings. Had to look up who the coach is at Riverside who has his team in 2nd place.

Mike Magpayo - Wikipedia Profile

Very interesting background. Checks some boxes for us: young, California native, UC experience (UCSB grad), former CEO of a real estate company and something our school and fan base would appreciate: In July 2020, Magpayo became the first NCAA Division I men's basketball head coach of full Asian heritage

Don't know his recruiting acumen or playing style but someone we should track.

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No doubt. Between the two though one needs to go with JP because of the connections to major donors (aka the practice facility) and the AAU ties during almost a decade of working for Miller.

BC Calfan said:

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socaltownie said:

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I am not going to mention the coach in the subject line but that is the alpha and omega of our search. Even if all it does is get the practice facility funded (it will) and allow us to get an improved roster (it would) and reconnect with Bear hoops Alumni that are all in on him. There may be another candidate who is realistic for Cal that would be better but I have not heard of him.

In case you are interested the Gauchos are now 17 and 3. Rainbow Warriors gave them a good game but a 1 point win and they are flying back to UCIV a happy group of players.

Honestly we may not be able to get him. He is gong to have some offers - I would assume that Huskies if they are not IDIOTS will be at the front of the line.

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You just made me check the Big West standings. Had to look up who the coach is at Riverside who has his team in 2nd place.

Mike Magpayo - Wikipedia Profile

Very interesting background. Checks some boxes for us: young, California native, UC experience (UCSB grad), former CEO of a real estate company and something our school and fan base would appreciate: In July 2020, Magpayo became the first NCAA Division I men's basketball head coach of full Asian heritage

Don't know his recruiting acumen or playing style but someone we should track.

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Those are the kind of boxes that I'm not remotely interested in ticking because none of them address the question of whether he can recruit and win. All I know about him is that he is capable of leading a winning program in a second tier conference and that he did it for a school considering shuttering its entire athletic program. That last part is interesting to me. His ethnicity, alma mater, and real estate experience are neither here nor there. That starts to get into the area where you are more interested in breaking barriers than success.

Ursine said:

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BC Calfan said:

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socaltownie said:

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I am not going to mention the coach in the subject line but that is the alpha and omega of our search. Even if all it does is get the practice facility funded (it will) and allow us to get an improved roster (it would) and reconnect with Bear hoops Alumni that are all in on him. There may be another candidate who is realistic for Cal that would be better but I have not heard of him.

In case you are interested the Gauchos are now 17 and 3. Rainbow Warriors gave them a good game but a 1 point win and they are flying back to UCIV a happy group of players.

Honestly we may not be able to get him. He is gong to have some offers - I would assume that Huskies if they are not IDIOTS will be at the front of the line.

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You just made me check the Big West standings. Had to look up who the coach is at Riverside who has his team in 2nd place.

Mike Magpayo - Wikipedia Profile

Very interesting background. Checks some boxes for us: young, California native, UC experience (UCSB grad), former CEO of a real estate company and something our school and fan base would appreciate: In July 2020, Magpayo became the first NCAA Division I men's basketball head coach of full Asian heritage

Don't know his recruiting acumen or playing style but someone we should track.

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Those are the kind of boxes that I'm not remotely interested in ticking because none of them address the question of whether he can recruit and win. All I know about him is that he is capable of leading a winning program in a second tier conference and that he did it for a school considering shuttering its entire athletic program. That last part is interesting to me. His ethnicity, alma mater, and real estate experience are neither here nor there. That starts to get into the area where you are more interested in breaking barriers than success.

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Wait, you don't want our next basketball coach to have real estate experience?!?

To me, no real estate experience = deal breaker. Kind of hoping for broker's license, too, but at the salary we'd be offering, you can't expect to check every single box.

BC Calfan said:

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eastcoastcal said:

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Would you guys prefer we hire a top assistant from a good program or a mid major HC?

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Mid major HC. A young, charismatic leader with experience running a program---even if it's a couple seasons.

While Tommy Lloyd is working out great with Arizona, a big factor is institutional support. He probably gets whatever he needs with minimal interference. That wouldn't happen here.

Therefore a program leader with the experience working within all phases of the university is essential. Someone more equipped in navigating the various pratfalls that a top academic public school poses.

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Agree - but I want to point out that Tommy Lloyd is a bit of a Unicorn. He was designated the successor (contractually) at Gonzaga (which itself is a unicorn). He was sought out often and turned down programs much more appealing than Cal. Arizona made an EXCELLENT hire in getting him. I also believe he has an out in his UA contract to go back to Gonzaga when Few retires. Few schools others than UA could have pulled this off.

Cal has far to go to play in those waters - reinforcing your point about getting someone to navigate the current situation Cal is in.

Ursine said:

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SBGold said:

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Chris Beard and call it a day

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That would go over real well here

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anything after Fox will over just fine

Go the football direction. Square jaw.

SBGold said:

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Ursine said:

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SBGold said:

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Chris Beard and call it a day

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That would go over real well here

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anything after Fox will over just fine

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Hiring a coach accused of domestic violence towards his wife after they just fired Teri McKeever is not going to happen

Ursine said:

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SBGold said:

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Ursine said:

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SBGold said:

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Chris Beard and call it a day

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That would go over real well here

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anything after Fox will over just fine

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Hiring a coach accused of domestic violence towards his wife after they just fired Teri McKeever is not going to happen

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No charges though, recanted

Civil Bear said:

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SBGold said:

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Ursine said:

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SBGold said:

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Chris Beard and call it a day

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That would go over real well here

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anything after Fox will over just fine

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That's what they said about Jones.

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No one thought Fox was going to work out

calumnus said:

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I knew it would be bad, a first year bump by forcing tougher defense then progressively worse as talent fled, I just never imagined he would be extended and the slide would be allowed to go on this long.

Knowlton fired Jones after two years, Fox running off Bradley after year 2, or Kelly after year 3 and going 8-32 in conference over the last two years should have been enough to show we were headed in the wrong direction. We should have fired Fox and hired Gates after either of the last two seasons.

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Correct on both counts

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The next 5 games will be brutal.

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And Stanford beat Utah tonight, putting 10th place farther out of reach.

BC Calfan said:

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socaltownie said:

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I am not going to mention the coach in the subject line but that is the alpha and omega of our search. Even if all it does is get the practice facility funded (it will) and allow us to get an improved roster (it would) and reconnect with Bear hoops Alumni that are all in on him. There may be another candidate who is realistic for Cal that would be better but I have not heard of him.

In case you are interested the Gauchos are now 17 and 3. Rainbow Warriors gave them a good game but a 1 point win and they are flying back to UCIV a happy group of players.

Honestly we may not be able to get him. He is gong to have some offers - I would assume that Huskies if they are not IDIOTS will be at the front of the line.

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You just made me check the Big West standings. Had to look up who the coach is at Riverside who has his team in 2nd place.

Mike Magpayo - Wikipedia Profile

Very interesting background. Checks some boxes for us: young, California native, UC experience (UCSB grad), former CEO of a real estate company and something our school and fan base would appreciate: In July 2020, Magpayo became the first NCAA Division I men's basketball head coach of full Asian heritage

Don't know his recruiting acumen or playing style but someone we should track.

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Kyle Smith gave him his start at Columbia (he left a CEO job in real estate in Orange County) and he was a Smith assistant at USF. Seems like a great guy. Born and raised in L.A. he went to UCSB. Just a guy who left a successful business career and is coaching because he loves basketball. He is smart, earnest and a tireless recruiter throughout California, New York and on the AAU circuit. He beat Pasternak and UCSB this year, last year lost in double OT and split two games the year before.

Sendek looked better than Fox at the Santa Clara game. He recruits shooters. And they know how to set screens.

Ursine said:

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BC Calfan said:

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socaltownie said:

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I am not going to mention the coach in the subject line but that is the alpha and omega of our search. Even if all it does is get the practice facility funded (it will) and allow us to get an improved roster (it would) and reconnect with Bear hoops Alumni that are all in on him. There may be another candidate who is realistic for Cal that would be better but I have not heard of him.

In case you are interested the Gauchos are now 17 and 3. Rainbow Warriors gave them a good game but a 1 point win and they are flying back to UCIV a happy group of players.

Honestly we may not be able to get him. He is gong to have some offers - I would assume that Huskies if they are not IDIOTS will be at the front of the line.

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You just made me check the Big West standings. Had to look up who the coach is at Riverside who has his team in 2nd place.

Mike Magpayo - Wikipedia Profile

Very interesting background. Checks some boxes for us: young, California native, UC experience (UCSB grad), former CEO of a real estate company and something our school and fan base would appreciate: In July 2020, Magpayo became the first NCAA Division I men's basketball head coach of full Asian heritage

Don't know his recruiting acumen or playing style but someone we should track.

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Those are the kind of boxes that I'm not remotely interested in ticking because none of them address the question of whether he can recruit and win. All I know about him is that he is capable of leading a winning program in a second tier conference and that he did it for a school considering shuttering its entire athletic program. That last part is interesting to me. His ethnicity, alma mater, and real estate experience are neither here nor there. That starts to get into the area where you are more interested in breaking barriers than success.

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Great post.