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I'm glad the ultra-baggy shorts have gone out of style.

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stu said:

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In my inexpert opinion Fox is a fair-to-goof defensive coach and a poor offensive coach. To me the offense looks disorganized but that could be partly due to recruiting players without great offensive skills.

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this, he is a 50% coach, and frankly, his lack of offensive coaching leads to some of his recruiting difficulties

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We are in the 200's in defensive efficiency. He produces teams with low opponent points per game by slowing down the game on offense (we are near last in the country, in the 350s in tempo), creating the illusion of good defense. He His defensive sets are not particularly sophisticated. Pretty much straight up man defense as he was probably taught in high school and junior college. We are particularly bad at dealing with screens, switching and defending the 3. He just really emphasizes effort on defense, expending energy, staying glued to your man, denying the ball and shots, and gets that by being an in your face hard ass. Again, probably the way it was taught to him in high school.

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building a basketball following should NOT be hard. I have watched it done at SDSU over the past 2 decades. San Diego is MUCH more town with fickle fans. There is NO real campus culture of sports watching. We are a community of transplants, with still a decent chunk of folks rotating through on Navy and Marine deployments and lots of others that come to our community from other places. SDSU churns out a TON of alumni but we are talking mountain west BB

But steve fisher was RELENTLESS in promoting his program. There are numerous stories, both big and small, of how he created a huge following for the program. THe game day experience is Fantastic - if not the traditional one that I like at Haas/Harmon. They did things that are marketing and PR 101.

So when ANYONE says this is "hard" I just laugh. If SDSU can do it surely Cal can. Our failures are simply a lack of accountabiliyt, demands and a myopic inability to look elsewhere for ideas and benchmarks.

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BeachedBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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building a basketball following should NOT be hard. I have watched it done at SDSU over the past 2 decades. San Diego is MUCH more town with fickle fans. There is NO real campus culture of sports watching. We are a community of transplants, with still a decent chunk of folks rotating through on Navy and Marine deployments and lots of others that come to our community from other places. SDSU churns out a TON of alumni but we are talking mountain west BB

But steve fisher was RELENTLESS in promoting his program. There are numerous stories, both big and small, of how he created a huge following for the program. THe game day experience is Fantastic - if not the traditional one that I like at Haas/Harmon. They did things that are marketing and PR 101.

So when ANYONE says this is "hard" I just laugh. If SDSU can do it surely Cal can. Our failures are simply a lack of accountabiliyt, demands and a myopic inability to look elsewhere for ideas and benchmarks.

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My youngest graduated from SDSU a few years back. SDSU is soooo much farther ahead than Cal in almost every facet. The Cal administration (sports AND others) comes across as entitled and superior. The behave like they deserve everything; but don't want to think, work or adapt for anything.

As a Cal Alum, I am treated far better as an SDSU parent. My other children went to different schools - and they are much more like Cal, than SDSU when it comes to outreach and engagement - so I think this is more about SDSU being exceptional than Cal being bad.

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socaltownie said:

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BeachedBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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building a basketball following should NOT be hard. I have watched it done at SDSU over the past 2 decades. San Diego is MUCH more town with fickle fans. There is NO real campus culture of sports watching. We are a community of transplants, with still a decent chunk of folks rotating through on Navy and Marine deployments and lots of others that come to our community from other places. SDSU churns out a TON of alumni but we are talking mountain west BB

But steve fisher was RELENTLESS in promoting his program. There are numerous stories, both big and small, of how he created a huge following for the program. THe game day experience is Fantastic - if not the traditional one that I like at Haas/Harmon. They did things that are marketing and PR 101.

So when ANYONE says this is "hard" I just laugh. If SDSU can do it surely Cal can. Our failures are simply a lack of accountabiliyt, demands and a myopic inability to look elsewhere for ideas and benchmarks.

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My youngest graduated from SDSU a few years back. SDSU is soooo much farther ahead than Cal in almost every facet. The Cal administration (sports AND others) comes across as entitled and superior. The behave like they deserve everything; but don't want to think, work or adapt for anything.

As a Cal Alum, I am treated far better as an SDSU parent. My other children went to different schools - and they are much more like Cal, than SDSU when it comes to outreach and engagement - so I think this is more about SDSU being exceptional than Cal being bad.

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Maybe.

It definately is the case that SDSU AD is vastly superior than, for example, UCSD's in respect to media relations.

But here is an example of how SDSU's AD "gets it."

WHen SDSU basketball was just taking off Fredette at BYU was a thing. Rather than ignore him and ddiscount him they embraced him as a nice morman rival. There was a HUGE amount of hype when Jimmer came to town. The students ended up camping out 3-4 days to get in. What other rival actively promotes an opposing player for POY but SDSU got that by doing that and even if they lost to Jimmer that they could hype it up.

But I thought the cherry on top, with TV cameras conveniently in tow, was when Fisher and the rest of the team showed up with Pizzas to hand out to students to thank them at about 10 p.m. (Just in time for the late news :-) That really was the start of "The Show" and really from there it has taken off.

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BeachedBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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BeachedBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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building a basketball following should NOT be hard. I have watched it done at SDSU over the past 2 decades. San Diego is MUCH more town with fickle fans. There is NO real campus culture of sports watching. We are a community of transplants, with still a decent chunk of folks rotating through on Navy and Marine deployments and lots of others that come to our community from other places. SDSU churns out a TON of alumni but we are talking mountain west BB

But steve fisher was RELENTLESS in promoting his program. There are numerous stories, both big and small, of how he created a huge following for the program. THe game day experience is Fantastic - if not the traditional one that I like at Haas/Harmon. They did things that are marketing and PR 101.

So when ANYONE says this is "hard" I just laugh. If SDSU can do it surely Cal can. Our failures are simply a lack of accountabiliyt, demands and a myopic inability to look elsewhere for ideas and benchmarks.

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My youngest graduated from SDSU a few years back. SDSU is soooo much farther ahead than Cal in almost every facet. The Cal administration (sports AND others) comes across as entitled and superior. The behave like they deserve everything; but don't want to think, work or adapt for anything.

As a Cal Alum, I am treated far better as an SDSU parent. My other children went to different schools - and they are much more like Cal, than SDSU when it comes to outreach and engagement - so I think this is more about SDSU being exceptional than Cal being bad.

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Maybe.

It definately is the case that SDSU AD is vastly superior than, for example, UCSD's in respect to media relations.

But here is an example of how SDSU's AD "gets it."

WHen SDSU basketball was just taking off Fredette at BYU was a thing. Rather than ignore him and ddiscount him they embraced him as a nice morman rival. There was a HUGE amount of hype when Jimmer came to town. The students ended up camping out 3-4 days to get in. What other rival actively promotes an opposing player for POY but SDSU got that by doing that and even if they lost to Jimmer that they could hype it up.

But I thought the cherry on top, with TV cameras conveniently in tow, was when Fisher and the rest of the team showed up with Pizzas to hand out to students to thank them at about 10 p.m. (Just in time for the late news :-) That really was the start of "The Show" and really from there it has taken off.

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Campy did that in the 80s as well. Him and assistants and players brought out pizzas and coffee. But also took some time to speak with students in line. I can't remember exactly when it happened, but Harmon went from show up 10 mins before tipoff to get a good seat; to wait in line overnite, just to grab the best seat behind the band when the doors opened an hour before game time.

Campy also used to walk through campus and engage with students at lunch. As did Bozeman and Braun. I don't recall Kuchen doing that. I don't imaguine Monty did that (although he did push for pizzas for the student section a couple times).

Does Fox do that?

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socaltownie said:

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BeachedBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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BeachedBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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building a basketball following should NOT be hard. I have watched it done at SDSU over the past 2 decades. San Diego is MUCH more town with fickle fans. There is NO real campus culture of sports watching. We are a community of transplants, with still a decent chunk of folks rotating through on Navy and Marine deployments and lots of others that come to our community from other places. SDSU churns out a TON of alumni but we are talking mountain west BB

But steve fisher was RELENTLESS in promoting his program. There are numerous stories, both big and small, of how he created a huge following for the program. THe game day experience is Fantastic - if not the traditional one that I like at Haas/Harmon. They did things that are marketing and PR 101.

So when ANYONE says this is "hard" I just laugh. If SDSU can do it surely Cal can. Our failures are simply a lack of accountabiliyt, demands and a myopic inability to look elsewhere for ideas and benchmarks.

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My youngest graduated from SDSU a few years back. SDSU is soooo much farther ahead than Cal in almost every facet. The Cal administration (sports AND others) comes across as entitled and superior. The behave like they deserve everything; but don't want to think, work or adapt for anything.

As a Cal Alum, I am treated far better as an SDSU parent. My other children went to different schools - and they are much more like Cal, than SDSU when it comes to outreach and engagement - so I think this is more about SDSU being exceptional than Cal being bad.

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Maybe.

It definately is the case that SDSU AD is vastly superior than, for example, UCSD's in respect to media relations.

But here is an example of how SDSU's AD "gets it."

WHen SDSU basketball was just taking off Fredette at BYU was a thing. Rather than ignore him and ddiscount him they embraced him as a nice morman rival. There was a HUGE amount of hype when Jimmer came to town. The students ended up camping out 3-4 days to get in. What other rival actively promotes an opposing player for POY but SDSU got that by doing that and even if they lost to Jimmer that they could hype it up.

But I thought the cherry on top, with TV cameras conveniently in tow, was when Fisher and the rest of the team showed up with Pizzas to hand out to students to thank them at about 10 p.m. (Just in time for the late news :-) That really was the start of "The Show" and really from there it has taken off.

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Campy did that in the 80s as well. Him and assistants and players brought out pizzas and coffee. But also took some time to speak with students in line. I can't remember exactly when it happened, but Harmon went from show up 10 mins before tipoff to get a good seat; to wait in line overnite, just to grab the best seat behind the band when the doors opened an hour before game time.

Campy also used to walk through campus and engage with students at lunch. As did Bozeman and Braun. I don't recall Kuchen doing that. I don't imaguine Monty did that (although he did push for pizzas for the student section a couple times).

Does Fox do that?

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Does fox do that? I laughed out loud at the thought

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socaltownie said:

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BeachedBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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building a basketball following should NOT be hard. I have watched it done at SDSU over the past 2 decades. San Diego is MUCH more town with fickle fans. There is NO real campus culture of sports watching. We are a community of transplants, with still a decent chunk of folks rotating through on Navy and Marine deployments and lots of others that come to our community from other places. SDSU churns out a TON of alumni but we are talking mountain west BB

But steve fisher was RELENTLESS in promoting his program. There are numerous stories, both big and small, of how he created a huge following for the program. THe game day experience is Fantastic - if not the traditional one that I like at Haas/Harmon. They did things that are marketing and PR 101.

So when ANYONE says this is "hard" I just laugh. If SDSU can do it surely Cal can. Our failures are simply a lack of accountabiliyt, demands and a myopic inability to look elsewhere for ideas and benchmarks.

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My youngest graduated from SDSU a few years back. SDSU is soooo much farther ahead than Cal in almost every facet. The Cal administration (sports AND others) comes across as entitled and superior. The behave like they deserve everything; but don't want to think, work or adapt for anything.

As a Cal Alum, I am treated far better as an SDSU parent. My other children went to different schools - and they are much more like Cal, than SDSU when it comes to outreach and engagement - so I think this is more about SDSU being exceptional than Cal being bad.

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But I thought the cherry on top, with TV cameras conveniently in tow, was when Fisher and the rest of the team showed up with Pizzas to hand out to students to thank them at about 10 p.m. (Just in time for the late news :-) That really was the start of "The Show" and really from there it has taken off.

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Wicker, 53, could soon be a power conference AD himself, if the Pac-12 invites SDSU to replace UCLA and USC when they join the Big Ten in 2024-25. The Pac-12 first must announce a new media rights contract before its presidents and chancellors will consider expansion.

SDSU would need to inform the Mountain West by June if it hopes to leave by 2024-25 without incurring any multimillion-dollar departure penalties.

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Like so many others, what made me a success in my 20s and 30s was outdated by my forties. I've adapted and changed every five years since then. Most people do. Fox doesn't - he is sort of a backwards unicorn.

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Eastcoast... not answering your question but want to specifically call out the bolded for you... as someone at the beginning of what I am sure will be a terrific career (in whatever you do) the above is some of the best advice I ever received.

"Be careful, because what's holding you back from future success is what made you successful in the past."

Now that's not to say that practicing a skill doesn't matter, or a good work ethic isn't important, but like Beached said, the world changes - fast - and we need to adapt.

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noted & your advice is always appreciated. Thank you, sincerely.

how funny it is, that a school like cal, which produces some of the most advanced companies and innovations which constantly have to adapt to a fast-paced world and competitive landscape, can still be so slow moving and opposed to creative & adaptive thinking when it comes to some of our athletics programs

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That's because Cal mostly doesn't care about some of our athletics programs. When I say Cal I mean students, alumni, administrators, and professors. If we really cared about it we'd be at least as good as UCLA.

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fans will attend games if we have a winning team

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Yeah, but we are not Duke or Kentucky. We won't always have a winning team. I don't think you can build a program off the support of fair weather fans.

To be completely fair, I think Cal fans are the opposite of fair weather fans. We endure a lot. However, I don't see the support for athletics that I see at some other schools. In fact, there is some downright hostility. Cal as an institution would be perfectly happy going to an Ivy League model and so would more students and alumni than we'd like to admit.

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ok, so you don't like the picture from that year ... how about this year?

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bluesaxe said:

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HoopDreams said:

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dimitrig said:

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HoopDreams said:

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dimitrig said:

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eastcoastcal said:

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TheFiatLux said:

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BeachedBear said:

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Like so many others, what made me a success in my 20s and 30s was outdated by my forties. I've adapted and changed every five years since then. Most people do. Fox doesn't - he is sort of a backwards unicorn.

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Eastcoast... not answering your question but want to specifically call out the bolded for you... as someone at the beginning of what I am sure will be a terrific career (in whatever you do) the above is some of the best advice I ever received.

"Be careful, because what's holding you back from future success is what made you successful in the past."

Now that's not to say that practicing a skill doesn't matter, or a good work ethic isn't important, but like Beached said, the world changes - fast - and we need to adapt.

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noted & your advice is always appreciated. Thank you, sincerely.

how funny it is, that a school like cal, which produces some of the most advanced companies and innovations which constantly have to adapt to a fast-paced world and competitive landscape, can still be so slow moving and opposed to creative & adaptive thinking when it comes to some of our athletics programs

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That's because Cal mostly doesn't care about some of our athletics programs. When I say Cal I mean students, alumni, administrators, and professors. If we really cared about it we'd be at least as good as UCLA.

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fans will attend games if we have a winning team

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Yeah, but we are not Duke or Kentucky. We won't always have a winning team. I don't think you can build a program off the support of fair weather fans.

To be completely fair, I think Cal fans are the opposite of fair weather fans. We endure a lot. However, I don't see the support for athletics that I see at some other schools. In fact, there is some downright hostility. Cal as an institution would be perfectly happy going to an Ivy League model and so would more students and alumni than we'd like to admit.

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ok, so you don't like the picture from that year ... how about this year?

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Most years from the opening of Haas until Wyking had a lot of that. Not every game, but a bunch. And it got LOUD. It's a mausoleum now.

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TheFiatLux said:

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bluesaxe said:

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HoopDreams said:

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dimitrig said:

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HoopDreams said:

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dimitrig said:

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eastcoastcal said:

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TheFiatLux said:

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BeachedBear said:

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Like so many others, what made me a success in my 20s and 30s was outdated by my forties. I've adapted and changed every five years since then. Most people do. Fox doesn't - he is sort of a backwards unicorn.

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Eastcoast... not answering your question but want to specifically call out the bolded for you... as someone at the beginning of what I am sure will be a terrific career (in whatever you do) the above is some of the best advice I ever received.

"Be careful, because what's holding you back from future success is what made you successful in the past."

Now that's not to say that practicing a skill doesn't matter, or a good work ethic isn't important, but like Beached said, the world changes - fast - and we need to adapt.

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noted & your advice is always appreciated. Thank you, sincerely.

how funny it is, that a school like cal, which produces some of the most advanced companies and innovations which constantly have to adapt to a fast-paced world and competitive landscape, can still be so slow moving and opposed to creative & adaptive thinking when it comes to some of our athletics programs

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That's because Cal mostly doesn't care about some of our athletics programs. When I say Cal I mean students, alumni, administrators, and professors. If we really cared about it we'd be at least as good as UCLA.

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fans will attend games if we have a winning team

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Yeah, but we are not Duke or Kentucky. We won't always have a winning team. I don't think you can build a program off the support of fair weather fans.

To be completely fair, I think Cal fans are the opposite of fair weather fans. We endure a lot. However, I don't see the support for athletics that I see at some other schools. In fact, there is some downright hostility. Cal as an institution would be perfectly happy going to an Ivy League model and so would more students and alumni than we'd like to admit.

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ok, so you don't like the picture from that year ... how about this year?

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Most years from the opening of Haas until Wyking had a lot of that. Not every game, but a bunch. And it got LOUD. It's a mausoleum now.

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Exactly. It wasn't just the big games against UofA or UCLA... we could be playing ASU or SC or Oregon or OSU or Colorado and Haas would be electric.

The last 5 minutes of the SC game in 2013 is one where the crowd absolutely helped will the Bears to the win. (and yes, because someone will just have to point it out, this is the game with a shove).

Just watch the last four minutes of this game with your headset on...



Or the last three minutes of the Oregon game that year...



Or a year earlier as Jorge and Harper took their final call at Haas against Oregon State. This stuff make me emotional it was such a special time in there.



Look closely at Coach Montgomery at 8 second and you can see how fired up he was



Earlier in the game when the band captured the moment to perfection and led the crowd in serenading Jorge...

THAT IS WHAT HAAS CAN BE.

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TheFiatLux said:

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bluesaxe said:

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HoopDreams said:

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dimitrig said:

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HoopDreams said:

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dimitrig said:

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eastcoastcal said:

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TheFiatLux said:

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BeachedBear said:

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Like so many others, what made me a success in my 20s and 30s was outdated by my forties. I've adapted and changed every five years since then. Most people do. Fox doesn't - he is sort of a backwards unicorn.

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Eastcoast... not answering your question but want to specifically call out the bolded for you... as someone at the beginning of what I am sure will be a terrific career (in whatever you do) the above is some of the best advice I ever received.

"Be careful, because what's holding you back from future success is what made you successful in the past."

Now that's not to say that practicing a skill doesn't matter, or a good work ethic isn't important, but like Beached said, the world changes - fast - and we need to adapt.

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noted & your advice is always appreciated. Thank you, sincerely.

how funny it is, that a school like cal, which produces some of the most advanced companies and innovations which constantly have to adapt to a fast-paced world and competitive landscape, can still be so slow moving and opposed to creative & adaptive thinking when it comes to some of our athletics programs

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That's because Cal mostly doesn't care about some of our athletics programs. When I say Cal I mean students, alumni, administrators, and professors. If we really cared about it we'd be at least as good as UCLA.

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fans will attend games if we have a winning team

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Yeah, but we are not Duke or Kentucky. We won't always have a winning team. I don't think you can build a program off the support of fair weather fans.

To be completely fair, I think Cal fans are the opposite of fair weather fans. We endure a lot. However, I don't see the support for athletics that I see at some other schools. In fact, there is some downright hostility. Cal as an institution would be perfectly happy going to an Ivy League model and so would more students and alumni than we'd like to admit.

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ok, so you don't like the picture from that year ... how about this year?

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Most years from the opening of Haas until Wyking had a lot of that. Not every game, but a bunch. And it got LOUD. It's a mausoleum now.

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Exactly. It wasn't just the big games against UofA or UCLA... we could be playing ASU or SC or Oregon or OSU or Colorado and Haas would be electric.

The last 5 minutes of the SC game in 2013 is one where the crowd absolutely helped will the Bears to the win. (and yes, because someone will just have to point it out, this is the game with a shove).

Just watch the last four minutes of this game with your headset on...



Or the last three minutes of the Oregon game that year...



Or a year earlier as Jorge and Harper took their final call at Haas against Oregon State. This stuff make me emotional it was such a special time in there.



Look closely at Coach Montgomery at 8 second and you can see how fired up he was



Earlier in the game when the band captured the moment to perfection and led the crowd in serenading Jorge...

THAT IS WHAT HAAS CAN BE.

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Monte could have gotten this group at least to .500.

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