diva1 said:
Canzano: Cal flying low in men's basketball (johncanzano.com)
To those that think the answer is simply a new coach
Makes me appreciate Ben Braun
I think the answer begins with a new coach. And a new AD. Necessary but not sufficient.diva1 said:
Canzano: Cal flying low in men's basketball (johncanzano.com)
To those that think the answer is simply a new coach
Makes me appreciate Ben Braun
It would be much farther in the black with a cheaper head coach.Big C said:
For all of us who just assume that we're going to make a change next month, his statement that the program was in the black last year was downright scary.
This is the only statistic JK cares about, not W/L or even attendance. If he doesn't think firing Fox will lead to an increase in this number, he won't be firing him.Quote:
But the men's basketball program posted one notable victory last year.
It turned a profit.
The haul: $954,846.
bluehenbear said:This is the only statistic JK cares about, not W/L. If he doesn't think firing Fox will lead to an increase in this number, he won't be firing him.Quote:
But the men's basketball program posted one notable victory last year.
It turned a profit.
The haul: $954,846.
SoFlaBear said:
OK - if the end game is profit > wins, then let's find a hungry assistant or successful small school coach or literally any former Cal player and offer a miniscule base and a ton of incentives. Sure, s/he will be gone as soon as they get a better offer, but it might be more fun than what we have now and might actually fill seats.
Reminds me of that idiot Bobby Rowell, formerly Warriors President and sidekick of Chris Cohan. The team made a profit by taking luxury tax payments from good teams and Rowell acted like that made him a genius. Truth was they were leaving megabucks on the table by not understanding that a better product made for WAY MORE profit. Thankfully someone came along who understood that and increase franchise value more than tenfold by building a winning team.bluehenbear said:This is the only statistic JK cares about, not W/L or even attendance. If he doesn't think firing Fox will lead to an increase in this number, he won't be firing him.Quote:
But the men's basketball program posted one notable victory last year.
It turned a profit.
The haul: $954,846.
Is he related to our (possibly former) reserve QB?bluesaxe said:Reminds me of that idiot Bobby Rowell, formerly Warriors President and sidekick of Chris Cohan. The team made a profit by taking luxury tax payments from good teams and Rowell acted like that made him a genius. Truth was they were leaving megabucks on the table by not understanding that a better product made for WAY MORE profit. Thankfully someone came along who understood that and increase franchise value more than tenfold by building a winning team.bluehenbear said:This is the only statistic JK cares about, not W/L or even attendance. If he doesn't think firing Fox will lead to an increase in this number, he won't be firing him.Quote:
But the men's basketball program posted one notable victory last year.
It turned a profit.
The haul: $954,846.
Excellent post. To answer your question about how Martin recruited two top 10 recruits, I think he was recruiting Brown (and his mother) for years before Brown arrived in high school. Building relationships is key, and Martin was lucky with Rabb, because when he did not appear to be paying enough attention to Rabb, Rabb's mother decided to hang out in Martin's office to lean on him to work harder to get Rabb. Tony Bennett's way is one of the best ways to rebuild a program. He has had very, very few 5-star players. He doesn't play up-tempo. He recruits for need, and gets the best players he can, and he gets good defensive players. And he has been consistently successful in the ACC, a league with Duke and North Carolina who are loaded with Mickey Ds on their rosters. Someone with the same philosophy is what I'd look for in the next coach. You have to recruit to your system. If your system is to play fast, then you must recruit players for that system. But when you have landed your roster, if you didn't get all the players you need who fit your system, you have to adjust your system to the players you have signed, or you probably won't have much success. It is all doable.mdbear said:
It is an interesting article, but I do not believe the hurdles are insurmountable. If Cal's facilities are so inadequate, how did Cuonzo Martin manage to recruit two of the top 10 high school prospects in the country in his first year on the job? Cal basketball has less money to spend because it has been terrible for five years in a row. With attendance and merchandising revenue way down, there is less money to go around. Schools like Indiana with huge attendance, great tradition, and high coaching salaries show that money is not the total solution. Indiana had a winning conference record only once in its last nine seasons. Virginia basketball struggled for decades until Tony Bennet came to town, and now he runs one of the top programs in the country, with only one McDonald's All-American in his entire career. Cal needs a dynamic coach who can sell recruits and help players reach their potential. If he shows marked improvement, the attendance will come, and we can afford to pay him more to retain him. The last two coaching hires have been a disaster, but Cal is a program that can be turned around.
Have you ever tried to get to the Caldecott Tunnel at rush hour? I'd don't think he'd like that drive. A few years ago, I commuted from San Francisco to and from work in Walnut Creek. Some days it took 30 minutes, some days much longer. On Fridays, no matter what time I left work, from 2PM to 7PM, it took two hours minimum. I think that commute might have been one of the reasons Jeff Tedford began sleeping in his office.movielover said:
Could Cal land Randy Bennett?
A bonus is Bennett wouldn't have to move.
movielover said:
Could Cal land Randy Bennett?
A bonus is Bennett wouldn't have to move.
If it's really jammed you can take Camino Pablo to Wildcat Canyon to Spruce.SFCityBear said:Have you ever tried to get to the Caldecott Tunnel at rush hour? I'd don't think he'd like that drive. A few years ago, I commuted from San Francisco to and from work in Walnut Creek. Some days it took 30 minutes, some days much longer. On Fridays, no matter what time I left work, from 2PM to 7PM, it took two hours minimum. I think that commute might have been one of the reasons Jeff Tedford began sleeping in his office.movielover said:
Could Cal land Randy Bennett?
A bonus is Bennett wouldn't have to move.
SFCityBear said:Have you ever tried to get to the Caldecott Tunnel at rush hour? I'd don't think he'd like that drive. A few years ago, I commuted from San Francisco to and from work in Walnut Creek. Some days it took 30 minutes, some days much longer. On Fridays, no matter what time I left work, from 2PM to 7PM, it took two hours minimum. I think that commute might have been one of the reasons Jeff Tedford began sleeping in his office.movielover said:
Could Cal land Randy Bennett?
A bonus is Bennett wouldn't have to move.
calumnus said:SFCityBear said:Have you ever tried to get to the Caldecott Tunnel at rush hour? I'd don't think he'd like that drive. A few years ago, I commuted from San Francisco to and from work in Walnut Creek. Some days it took 30 minutes, some days much longer. On Fridays, no matter what time I left work, from 2PM to 7PM, it took two hours minimum. I think that commute might have been one of the reasons Jeff Tedford began sleeping in his office.movielover said:
Could Cal land Randy Bennett?
A bonus is Bennett wouldn't have to move.
Coaches don't work 9 to 5
Folks like to bring up Bennett, but that ship sailed a while ago. Randy really enjoys what he has at St Mary's and would like to retire there. Not saying that the right opportunity wouldn't drag him away, but its not Cal.movielover said:
Could Cal land Randy Bennett?
A bonus is Bennett wouldn't have to move.
BeachedBear said:Folks like to bring up Bennett, but that ship sailed a while ago. Randy really enjoys what he has at St Mary's and would like to retire there. Not saying that the right opportunity wouldn't drag him away, but its not Cal.movielover said:
Could Cal land Randy Bennett?
A bonus is Bennett wouldn't have to move.
I think Cal's last opportunity was when Braun was let go. However, Barbour scooped up a semi retired Montgomery, so I don't think anyone would question that move. By the time Monty retired, Bennett was pretty secure in Moraga and Cuonzo sort of fell in our lap. That may not have worked out long term, but pretty much everyone thought the Cuonzo hire was a great one at the time. By the time Martin left, the entire department was a shambles and many coaches including Bennett stayed away until Williams was replaced with a legit AD.
You did see what I did there - excellent!calumnus said:BeachedBear said:Folks like to bring up Bennett, but that ship sailed a while ago. Randy really enjoys what he has at St Mary's and would like to retire there. Not saying that the right opportunity wouldn't drag him away, but its not Cal.movielover said:
Could Cal land Randy Bennett?
A bonus is Bennett wouldn't have to move.
I think Cal's last opportunity was when Braun was let go. However, Barbour scooped up a semi retired Montgomery, so I don't think anyone would question that move. By the time Monty retired, Bennett was pretty secure in Moraga and Cuonzo sort of fell in our lap. That may not have worked out long term, but pretty much everyone thought the Cuonzo hire was a great one at the time. By the time Martin left, the entire department was a shambles and many coaches including Bennett stayed away until Williams was replaced with a legit AD.
I disagree. Williams has not yet been replaced by a legit AD.
Thanks Stu. I still use the tunnel occasionally to visit friends and relatives who live East of it. I'll check out your suggestion.stu said:If it's really jammed you can take Camino Pablo to Wildcat Canyon to Spruce.SFCityBear said:Have you ever tried to get to the Caldecott Tunnel at rush hour? I'd don't think he'd like that drive. A few years ago, I commuted from San Francisco to and from work in Walnut Creek. Some days it took 30 minutes, some days much longer. On Fridays, no matter what time I left work, from 2PM to 7PM, it took two hours minimum. I think that commute might have been one of the reasons Jeff Tedford began sleeping in his office.movielover said:
Could Cal land Randy Bennett?
A bonus is Bennett wouldn't have to move.
I've taken the Fish Ranch route before. I drive a 4Runner now, so the Shepherd Canyon route might be more exciting than I'd like. Sounds interesting though. Thanks again.stu said:
You can also take Claremont to Fish Ranch to the east end of the tunnel. That doesn't work as well in really bad traffic because you get off and on Hwy 24 too close to the tunnel.
If you have a small car you can get from Montclair Village in Oakland to Moraga via Shepherd Canyon to Pinehurst to Canyon. Very twisty, better on 2 wheels.
So, they're still staying away then?BeachedBear said:Folks like to bring up Bennett, but that ship sailed a while ago. Randy really enjoys what he has at St Mary's and would like to retire there. Not saying that the right opportunity wouldn't drag him away, but its not Cal.movielover said:
Could Cal land Randy Bennett?
A bonus is Bennett wouldn't have to move.
I think Cal's last opportunity was when Braun was let go. However, Barbour scooped up a semi retired Montgomery, so I don't think anyone would question that move. By the time Monty retired, Bennett was pretty secure in Moraga and Cuonzo sort of fell in our lap. That may not have worked out long term, but pretty much everyone thought the Cuonzo hire was a great one at the time. By the time Martin left, the entire department was a shambles and many coaches including Bennett stayed away until Williams was replaced with a legit AD.
Only bartenders and cabbies work the graveyard shift, and the bartenders leave work at 2. So it must be the swing shift for coaches.calumnus said:SFCityBear said:Have you ever tried to get to the Caldecott Tunnel at rush hour? I'd don't think he'd like that drive. A few years ago, I commuted from San Francisco to and from work in Walnut Creek. Some days it took 30 minutes, some days much longer. On Fridays, no matter what time I left work, from 2PM to 7PM, it took two hours minimum. I think that commute might have been one of the reasons Jeff Tedford began sleeping in his office.movielover said:
Could Cal land Randy Bennett?
A bonus is Bennett wouldn't have to move.
Coaches don't work 9 to 5
