Canzano Analysis: Cal Flying low in MBB

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concordtom
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Hire me.
I'll take 100k and throw the rest of it into the NIL pool.
Let's see what kind of recruits that gets me.
I have a nice enough pad and would not be interested in moving.

My life's legacy would be Cal basketball.

Now, I imagine there are other people out there like me who also have coaching experience AND lots of bball connections
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It seems DeCuire is having some success at Montana, but I don't hear his name bandied about for any other P5 openings other than Cal.
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Jeff82 said:

concordtom said:

southseasbear said:

stu said:

southseasbear said:

I remember how much we were thrilled with the Ben Braun hire and his early teams. By the end, we were happy to see him go.

The article makes me think he was a hero. Perhaps instead of firing him we should have promoted him to Associate Athletic Director.
FIFY
Yeah, I almost put that but then I realized that it was not likely that the AD who fired him (I no longer remember who that was) would fire himself and appoint Braun as successor. Still, the hiring of Montgomery was pure genius.
Q: How long did Montgomery last?
Genius????

A: Mike was born February 27, 1947.
Hired April 4, 2008.
He was 61.
He coached 6 seasons, resigning on March 31, 2014.

2008-09 California 22 - 11, 11 - 7, T3rd NCAA Division I first round
2009-10 California 24 - 11, 13 - 5, 1st NCAA Division I second round
2010-11 California 18 - 15, 10 - 8, T4th NIT second round
2011-12 California 24 - 10, 13 - 5, T2nd NCAA Division I first round
2012-13 California 21 - 12, 12 - 6, T2nd NCAA Division I third round
2013-14 California 21 - 14, 10 - 8, T3rd NIT quarterfinal
California: 130 - 73 (.640) 69 - 39 (.639)


Commentary: He produced lots of wins, got into post-season play every year, and outcoached other teams to victory on a regular basis. It was lots of fun to watch Cal be in the hunt and playing intelligently down the stretch! He also gave us our first conference title in 50 years. So, with that alone, he goes down in history!

But upon closer inspection, his recruiting was shaky, as was his sideline temper with players (well, at least one time - cheap shot?). He lasted only 6 years, and when he was gone, the program was left in shambles with no plan for the future. It was simply that he was gone. We've been in the wilderness ever since.

I respect MM as a coach very much. But I think GENIUS would be to hire someone who decided that Cal was a place where they wanted to be for a 10-30 year career, not just a stepping stone to the next job, and not just a place where they can collect that healthy $1.8M contract until they get fired.

Berkeley is a wonderful place to live and work. And one can enjoy a wonderful life for a fraction of the salary than we've been paying our failed hires.

Q: Do any candidates I dream of exist?
I imagine they do. Well connected, Bay Area based, basketball professionals who can both recruit and coach exist. Why can't we find them?


Check out some of the incentives these schools have written for coaches?

https://www.midmajormadness.com/2019/11/4/20946421/ncaa-basketball-head-coach-contract-salary-database-mid-major-2019-20
I have to slightly disagree with ConcordTom, only because I think one of the reasons Monty retired was that he was fairly certain he could turn the reins over to Travis. I think he was as surprised as everyone else when they instead went with Cuonzo Martin, a decision that, IMHO, sent the program on a tangent from which it has yet to recover. Unless he won the NCAA championship and was given a lifetime contract, Martin was never going to stay at Cal, and is a guy who parlayed a compelling personal story and a willingness to go into politically-marginal situations to make way more money as a coach than his results justify. Had we hired Travis, we would have had a young African-American coach to continue with a program that had generated six years of some success. Would Travis have been able to recruit Raab and Brown. Don't know. But in the end, having them hasn't really provided any lasting benefit to Cal basketball, because of what happened after they left.
In Monty we hired a Hall of Fame coach. As I posted on another thread, he was the best coach in our 114 year history other than Pete Newell (HOF) and Nibs Price (should be in the HOF). We expected him to stay longer, and I believe he did too considering he actually moved across the Bay to take the job. Unfortunately, (as Big C posted) he retired earlier than he and we anticipated due to his cancer, the Crabbe incident pushback, and (as you posted) the belief he was leaving the program in good hands with Travis. Still, in the modern world of coaching, 6 years is not a bad run (and it matches Newell who retired suddenly due to health reasons - to think what could have been had he stayed!). Montgomery was not perfect (who is?) but he brought the program back to respectability. For example, Cuonzo Martin would not have been interested in being coach of the pre-Monty team.

The Cuonzo Martin hire was also brilliant (though I would have preferred having Decuire). He elevated the program with possibility the best recruiting in our history. I regret that he left so quickly and abruptly (as someone else posted, it seemed his bags were packed and his getaway car idling as the team fell flat in losing to Bakersfield in an NIT first round game it should have won. Nevertheless, in the modern world of college sports, coaches follow the money. In football, we lost Snyder and Mariucci who accepted higher paying offers. (I know that's football, but all of our coaches in the last 100 years (other than Price, Newell, Campanelli, Braun, Montgomery, and Martin) were mediocre at best, which makes the departures of Monty and Cuonzo so painful.)

My point is that both Monty and Cuonzo were brilliant hires. At this point I would be thrilled if we could hire someone of that quality even if they left after a few years.
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Fire Fox!
Put Wilcox in a hot seat!
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southseasbear said:

Jeff82 said:

concordtom said:

southseasbear said:

stu said:

southseasbear said:

I remember how much we were thrilled with the Ben Braun hire and his early teams. By the end, we were happy to see him go.

The article makes me think he was a hero. Perhaps instead of firing him we should have promoted him to Associate Athletic Director.
FIFY
Yeah, I almost put that but then I realized that it was not likely that the AD who fired him (I no longer remember who that was) would fire himself and appoint Braun as successor. Still, the hiring of Montgomery was pure genius.
Q: How long did Montgomery last?
Genius????

A: Mike was born February 27, 1947.
Hired April 4, 2008.
He was 61.
He coached 6 seasons, resigning on March 31, 2014.

2008-09 California 22 - 11, 11 - 7, T3rd NCAA Division I first round
2009-10 California 24 - 11, 13 - 5, 1st NCAA Division I second round
2010-11 California 18 - 15, 10 - 8, T4th NIT second round
2011-12 California 24 - 10, 13 - 5, T2nd NCAA Division I first round
2012-13 California 21 - 12, 12 - 6, T2nd NCAA Division I third round
2013-14 California 21 - 14, 10 - 8, T3rd NIT quarterfinal
California: 130 - 73 (.640) 69 - 39 (.639)


Commentary: He produced lots of wins, got into post-season play every year, and outcoached other teams to victory on a regular basis. It was lots of fun to watch Cal be in the hunt and playing intelligently down the stretch! He also gave us our first conference title in 50 years. So, with that alone, he goes down in history!

But upon closer inspection, his recruiting was shaky, as was his sideline temper with players (well, at least one time - cheap shot?). He lasted only 6 years, and when he was gone, the program was left in shambles with no plan for the future. It was simply that he was gone. We've been in the wilderness ever since.

I respect MM as a coach very much. But I think GENIUS would be to hire someone who decided that Cal was a place where they wanted to be for a 10-30 year career, not just a stepping stone to the next job, and not just a place where they can collect that healthy $1.8M contract until they get fired.

Berkeley is a wonderful place to live and work. And one can enjoy a wonderful life for a fraction of the salary than we've been paying our failed hires.

Q: Do any candidates I dream of exist?
I imagine they do. Well connected, Bay Area based, basketball professionals who can both recruit and coach exist. Why can't we find them?


Check out some of the incentives these schools have written for coaches?

https://www.midmajormadness.com/2019/11/4/20946421/ncaa-basketball-head-coach-contract-salary-database-mid-major-2019-20
I have to slightly disagree with ConcordTom, only because I think one of the reasons Monty retired was that he was fairly certain he could turn the reins over to Travis. I think he was as surprised as everyone else when they instead went with Cuonzo Martin, a decision that, IMHO, sent the program on a tangent from which it has yet to recover. Unless he won the NCAA championship and was given a lifetime contract, Martin was never going to stay at Cal, and is a guy who parlayed a compelling personal story and a willingness to go into politically-marginal situations to make way more money as a coach than his results justify. Had we hired Travis, we would have had a young African-American coach to continue with a program that had generated six years of some success. Would Travis have been able to recruit Raab and Brown. Don't know. But in the end, having them hasn't really provided any lasting benefit to Cal basketball, because of what happened after they left.
In Monty we hired a Hall of Fame coach. As I posted on another thread, he was the best coach in our 114 year history other than Pete Newell (HOF) and Nibs Price (should be in the HOF). We expected him to stay longer, and I believe he did too considering he actually moved across the Bay to take the job. Unfortunately, (as Big C posted) he retired earlier than he and we anticipated due to his cancer, the Crabbe incident pushback, and (as you posted) the belief he was leaving the program in good hands with Travis. Still, in the modern world of coaching, 6 years is not a bad run (and it matches Newell who retired suddenly due to health reasons - to think what could have been had he stayed!). Montgomery was not perfect (who is?) but he brought the program back to respectability. For example, Cuonzo Martin would not have been interested in being coach of the pre-Monty team.

The Cuonzo Martin hire was also brilliant (though I would have preferred having Decuire). He elevated the program with possibility the best recruiting in our history. I regret that he left so quickly and abruptly (as someone else posted, it seemed his bags were packed and his getaway car idling as the team fell flat in losing to Bakersfield in an NIT first round game it should have won. Nevertheless, in the modern world of college sports, coaches follow the money. In football, we lost Snyder and Mariucci who accepted higher paying offers. (I know that's football, but all of our coaches in the last 100 years (other than Price, Newell, Campanelli, Braun, Montgomery, and Martin) were mediocre at best, which makes the departures of Monty and Cuonzo so painful.)

My point is that both Monty and Cuonzo were brilliant hires. At this point I would be thrilled if we could hire someone of that quality even if they left after a few years.


Agreed. Hire a good coach with upside that you can afford. If the team does so well (like winning 10 games In football or receiving a 4 seed In the NCAA Tournament) that they get better offers, well there are FAR worse things. You either pay up or hire another promising young coach (see USF across the Bay). You can't hope for mediocrity so that they will stay. If you want a coach that will stay despite success and inevitable better offers, hire an alum or at least a Bay Area native who you really believe is committed to Cal and building a program in Berkeley.
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Could Randy Bennett win here? His Australian connections have been so key.
southseasbear
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movielover said:

Could Randy Bennett win here? His Australian connections have been so key.
Yes, but he has been approached before and didn't bite.
Fire Knowlton!
Fire Fox!
Put Wilcox in a hot seat!
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Yeah, Bennett managed to find a situation that was just right for him. Okay, he could come over the hill, step in and be better than our current coach and his predecessor immediately, but I think he's better where he is.

He got some Aussies when that was sort of an untapped resource. Are there even many Aussies still on his roster?
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Big C said:


Yeah, Bennett managed to find a situation that was just right for him. Okay, he could come over the hill, step in and be better than our current coach and his predecessor immediately, but I think he's better where he is.

He got some Aussies when that was sort of an untapped resource. Are there even many Aussies still on his roster?


Currently 4 Aussies, a Lithuanian, and local guys and San Diegans.
https://smcgaels.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster
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calumnus said:

Big C said:


Yeah, Bennett managed to find a situation that was just right for him. Okay, he could come over the hill, step in and be better than our current coach and his predecessor immediately, but I think he's better where he is.

He got some Aussies when that was sort of an untapped resource. Are there even many Aussies still on his roster?


Currently 4 Aussies, a Lithuanian, and local guys and San Diegans.
https://smcgaels.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster


I thought Harriman was supposed to get us the Aussies.
Those Aussie Gaels must be the ones from down under that had low GPAs.
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Big C said:

calumnus said:

Big C said:


Yeah, Bennett managed to find a situation that was just right for him. Okay, he could come over the hill, step in and be better than our current coach and his predecessor immediately, but I think he's better where he is.

He got some Aussies when that was sort of an untapped resource. Are there even many Aussies still on his roster?


Currently 4 Aussies, a Lithuanian, and local guys and San Diegans.
https://smcgaels.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster


I thought Harriman was supposed to get us the Aussies.
Those Aussie Gaels must be the ones from down under that had low GPAs.


He can only try as Fox's unlikeability transcends geographical and cultural borders.
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Big C said:

calumnus said:

Big C said:


Yeah, Bennett managed to find a situation that was just right for him. Okay, he could come over the hill, step in and be better than our current coach and his predecessor immediately, but I think he's better where he is.

He got some Aussies when that was sort of an untapped resource. Are there even many Aussies still on his roster?


Currently 4 Aussies, a Lithuanian, and local guys and San Diegans.
https://smcgaels.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster


I thought Harriman was supposed to get us the Aussies.
Those Aussie Gaels must be the ones from down under that had low GPAs.


Bennett has succeeded in Australia by being a good coach with really smart and likable assistants who are from or played professionally in Australia and recruit Australia well. Harriman is from Australia, period.

Jerome Randle was a star there and would recruit Australia (and the US) better.

Andrew Francis is the only good coach on the staff, he should be made interim head coach immediately.
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Stanford head assistant Rob Ehsan should arguably be a top candidate, probably the top MBB assistant in the Bay Area.

- young (42) with a strong track record
- four-year stint as the HC at Univ Alabama Birmingham (UAB) - where his teams averaged 19 wins a season at 76-57 overall (38-34 in league)
- he's worked in the northeast (Maryland), south (Virginia Tech and UAB), and Northern California, so he has nationwide contacts
- familiar with working at tough academic institutions, including the UC (UC Davis graduate)
- knowledgeable and personable

https://gostanford.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/rob-ehsan/4327
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movielover said:

Stanford head assistant Rob Ehsan should arguably be a top candidate, probably the top MBB assistant in the Bay Area.

- young (42) with a strong track record
- four-year stint as the HC at Univ Alabama Birmingham (UAB) - where his teams averaged 19 wins a season at 76-57 overall (38-34 in league)
- he's worked in the northeast (Maryland), south (Virginia Rech and UAB), and Northern California, so he has nationwide contacts
- familiar with working at tough academic institutions, including the UC (UC Davis graduate)
- knowledgeable and personable

https://gostanford.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/rob-ehsan/4327


"Oscar da Silva Assistant Men's Basketball Coach"?!?

Fine, whatever, put him on the list, he looks viable. That's the thing, there are a hundred guys out there who look viable... and we got Fox. Sacramento native. UC Davis grad.

One of my reservations would be that he looks like a branch of the Jerrod Haase Coaching Tree and that's a guy that probably shouldn't have his own tree. Plus, he has probably been fed negative stuff about Cal. Sorta kidding with that... to the list!
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I was at Maples last night and saw them stun #4 Arizona.
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Big C said:

movielover said:

Stanford head assistant Rob Ehsan should arguably be a top candidate, probably the top MBB assistant in the Bay Area.

- young (42) with a strong track record
- four-year stint as the HC at Univ Alabama Birmingham (UAB) - where his teams averaged 19 wins a season at 76-57 overall (38-34 in league)
- he's worked in the northeast (Maryland), south (Virginia Rech and UAB), and Northern California, so he has nationwide contacts
- familiar with working at tough academic institutions, including the UC (UC Davis graduate)
- knowledgeable and personable

https://gostanford.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/rob-ehsan/4327


"Oscar da Silva Assistant Men's Basketball Coach"?!?

Fine, whatever, put him on the list, he looks viable. That's the thing, there are a hundred guys out there who look viable... and we got Fox. Sacramento native. UC Davis grad.

One of my reservations would be that he looks like a branch of the Jerrod Haase Coaching Tree and that's a guy that probably shouldn't have his own tree. Plus, he has probably been fed negative stuff about Cal. Sorta kidding with that... to the list!


Being a uc grad is far different than being employed by a yc in respect to understanding the process and culture.

Pasternack. Those guys side by side is no comparison.

Ps. The key is socal recruiting chops. No more guys that don't know it.
Take care of your Chicken
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socaltownie said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

Stanford head assistant Rob Ehsan should arguably be a top candidate, probably the top MBB assistant in the Bay Area.

- young (42) with a strong track record
- four-year stint as the HC at Univ Alabama Birmingham (UAB) - where his teams averaged 19 wins a season at 76-57 overall (38-34 in league)
- he's worked in the northeast (Maryland), south (Virginia Rech and UAB), and Northern California, so he has nationwide contacts
- familiar with working at tough academic institutions, including the UC (UC Davis graduate)
- knowledgeable and personable

https://gostanford.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/rob-ehsan/4327


"Oscar da Silva Assistant Men's Basketball Coach"?!?

Fine, whatever, put him on the list, he looks viable. That's the thing, there are a hundred guys out there who look viable... and we got Fox. Sacramento native. UC Davis grad.

One of my reservations would be that he looks like a branch of the Jerrod Haase Coaching Tree and that's a guy that probably shouldn't have his own tree. Plus, he has probably been fed negative stuff about Cal. Sorta kidding with that... to the list!


Being a uc grad is far different than being employed by a yc in respect to understanding the process and culture.

Pasternack. Those guys side by side is no comparison.

Ps. The key is socal recruiting chops. No more guys that don't know it.


Pasternak has actually been better at recruiting NorCal and Central California (also key for Cal) but I am sure he will be FAR more successful in recruiting SoCal with a boatload of donor NIL money at his disposal.
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calumnus said:

socaltownie said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

Stanford head assistant Rob Ehsan should arguably be a top candidate, probably the top MBB assistant in the Bay Area.

- young (42) with a strong track record
- four-year stint as the HC at Univ Alabama Birmingham (UAB) - where his teams averaged 19 wins a season at 76-57 overall (38-34 in league)
- he's worked in the northeast (Maryland), south (Virginia Rech and UAB), and Northern California, so he has nationwide contacts
- familiar with working at tough academic institutions, including the UC (UC Davis graduate)
- knowledgeable and personable

https://gostanford.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/rob-ehsan/4327


"Oscar da Silva Assistant Men's Basketball Coach"?!?

Fine, whatever, put him on the list, he looks viable. That's the thing, there are a hundred guys out there who look viable... and we got Fox. Sacramento native. UC Davis grad.

One of my reservations would be that he looks like a branch of the Jerrod Haase Coaching Tree and that's a guy that probably shouldn't have his own tree. Plus, he has probably been fed negative stuff about Cal. Sorta kidding with that... to the list!


Being a uc grad is far different than being employed by a yc in respect to understanding the process and culture.

Pasternack. Those guys side by side is no comparison.

Ps. The key is socal recruiting chops. No more guys that don't know it.


He has actually been better at recruiting NorCal and Central California (also key for Cal) but I am sure Pasternak will be FAR more successful in recruiting SoCal with a boatload of donor NIL money at his disposal.
???

He got fired from UAB. I havent' looked to see if he got recruits to come from NoCal/Central California out there. He has now been on the Farm for 2 years.

In 2022 they signed 2 kids from SoCal and another from Texas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%9323_Stanford_Cardinal_men%27s_basketball_team
In 2021 they inked another kid from Texas, kids from France and NC, and then a Sacto kid. Not sure if he was involved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%9322_Stanford_Cardinal_men%27s_basketball_team


Cal will be dead to me until JK gets canned if this is the hire over Pasternack. THe delta here is just ridiculous. He has won 20+ games at UCSB 5 out of 6 years!!!!

Take care of your Chicken
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He failed at New Orleans, going from 8, to 6, to 3 wins in league play. Good run at UCSB.
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movielover said:

He failed at New Orleans, going from 8, to 6, to 3 wins in league play. Good run at UCSB.
That was fresh off his gig as the video kid for Braun. IIRC, he was actually credited for a pretty good job at New Orleans until the school decided to cut all funding and drop the program. Lute must have thought he was doing alright, swooping him up and promoting him to associate HC at AZ.
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Brey would be a good guy to get on the shortlist. Coming from ND he understands some of the recruiting challenges he might face at Cal, academics etc.

Brey is the kind of coach I think who could get the program back on solid footing. Not an elite coach, but a competent pro who knows how to build a program and get to the NCAA tournament. .
“My tastes are simple; I am easily satisfied with the best.” - Winston Churchill
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socaltownie said:

calumnus said:

socaltownie said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

Stanford head assistant Rob Ehsan should arguably be a top candidate, probably the top MBB assistant in the Bay Area.

- young (42) with a strong track record
- four-year stint as the HC at Univ Alabama Birmingham (UAB) - where his teams averaged 19 wins a season at 76-57 overall (38-34 in league)
- he's worked in the northeast (Maryland), south (Virginia Rech and UAB), and Northern California, so he has nationwide contacts
- familiar with working at tough academic institutions, including the UC (UC Davis graduate)
- knowledgeable and personable

https://gostanford.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/rob-ehsan/4327


"Oscar da Silva Assistant Men's Basketball Coach"?!?

Fine, whatever, put him on the list, he looks viable. That's the thing, there are a hundred guys out there who look viable... and we got Fox. Sacramento native. UC Davis grad.

One of my reservations would be that he looks like a branch of the Jerrod Haase Coaching Tree and that's a guy that probably shouldn't have his own tree. Plus, he has probably been fed negative stuff about Cal. Sorta kidding with that... to the list!


Being a uc grad is far different than being employed by a yc in respect to understanding the process and culture.

Pasternack. Those guys side by side is no comparison.

Ps. The key is socal recruiting chops. No more guys that don't know it.


Pasternak has actually been better at recruiting NorCal and Central California (also key for Cal) but I am sure he will be FAR more successful in recruiting SoCal with a boatload of donor NIL money at his disposal.
???

He got fired from UAB. I havent' looked to see if he got recruits to come from NoCal/Central California out there. He has now been on the Farm for 2 years.

In 2022 they signed 2 kids from SoCal and another from Texas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%9323_Stanford_Cardinal_men%27s_basketball_team
In 2021 they inked another kid from Texas, kids from France and NC, and then a Sacto kid. Not sure if he was involved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%9322_Stanford_Cardinal_men%27s_basketball_team


Cal will be dead to me until JK gets canned if this is the hire over Pasternack. THe delta here is just ridiculous. He has won 20+ games at UCSB 5 out of 6 years!!!!




It wasn't clear, but my post was entirely about Pasternak. A HARD no on the Stanford assistant.
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bluehenbear said:

It seems DeCuire is having some success at Montana, but I don't hear his name bandied about for any other P5 openings other than Cal.
Life comes at you pretty fast. He hasn't been good the last few years.
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concernedparent said:

bluehenbear said:

It seems DeCuire is having some success at Montana, but I don't hear his name bandied about for any other P5 openings other than Cal.
Life comes at you pretty fast. He hasn't been good the last few years.
That's why if a head coach has a couple of good years at a mid-major, he should leave for the first good opportunity he gets. Future success is never guaranteed.
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BearSD said:

concernedparent said:

bluehenbear said:

It seems DeCuire is having some success at Montana, but I don't hear his name bandied about for any other P5 openings other than Cal.
Life comes at you pretty fast. He hasn't been good the last few years.
That's why if a head coach has a couple of good years at a mid-major, he should leave for the first good opportunity he gets. Future success is never guaranteed.



Montana is a tough gig, tough to recruit to.

DeCuire (and Cuonzo) are now both in their 50s, which is ancient to a 16 year old.

I still think DeCuire could be successful at Cal, he would be in my top 10, but I am less enthused than 8, 6 and 4 years ago. I think a young coach with energy is needed to bring excitement and rebuild the program .
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calumnus said:


I think a young coach with energy is needed to bring excitement and rebuild the program .
Exactly. No more retreads in their 50s.
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BearSD said:

concernedparent said:

bluehenbear said:

It seems DeCuire is having some success at Montana, but I don't hear his name bandied about for any other P5 openings other than Cal.
Life comes at you pretty fast. He hasn't been good the last few years.
That's why if a head coach has a couple of good years at a mid-major, he should leave for the first good opportunity he gets. Future success is never guaranteed.



See: Troy Taylor.
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What ever happened with the blonde woman who was at the core of the allegations against Martin's staff? I think she moved east and took up a job in a TV station. She always reminded me of Lindsey Czarniack (sp?).
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socaltownie said:

calumnus said:

socaltownie said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

Stanford head assistant Rob Ehsan should arguably be a top candidate, probably the top MBB assistant in the Bay Area.

- young (42) with a strong track record
- four-year stint as the HC at Univ Alabama Birmingham (UAB) - where his teams averaged 19 wins a season at 76-57 overall (38-34 in league)
- he's worked in the northeast (Maryland), south (Virginia Rech and UAB), and Northern California, so he has nationwide contacts
- familiar with working at tough academic institutions, including the UC (UC Davis graduate)
- knowledgeable and personable

https://gostanford.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/rob-ehsan/4327


"Oscar da Silva Assistant Men's Basketball Coach"?!?

Fine, whatever, put him on the list, he looks viable. That's the thing, there are a hundred guys out there who look viable... and we got Fox. Sacramento native. UC Davis grad.

One of my reservations would be that he looks like a branch of the Jerrod Haase Coaching Tree and that's a guy that probably shouldn't have his own tree. Plus, he has probably been fed negative stuff about Cal. Sorta kidding with that... to the list!


Being a uc grad is far different than being employed by a yc in respect to understanding the process and culture.

Pasternack. Those guys side by side is no comparison.

Ps. The key is socal recruiting chops. No more guys that don't know it.


He has actually been better at recruiting NorCal and Central California (also key for Cal) but I am sure Pasternak will be FAR more successful in recruiting SoCal with a boatload of donor NIL money at his disposal.
???

He got fired from UAB. I havent' looked to see if he got recruits to come from NoCal/Central California out there. He has now been on the Farm for 2 years.

In 2022 they signed 2 kids from SoCal and another from Texas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%9323_Stanford_Cardinal_men%27s_basketball_team
In 2021 they inked another kid from Texas, kids from France and NC, and then a Sacto kid. Not sure if he was involved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%9322_Stanford_Cardinal_men%27s_basketball_team


Cal will be dead to me until JK gets canned if this is the hire over Pasternack. THe delta here is just ridiculous. He has won 20+ games at UCSB 5 out of 6 years!!!!




Will Bears overlook the alleged FBI deal?

ESPN: "Other allegations of rules violations surfaced during an October federal criminal trial, in which a jury convicted Code and Dawkins of bribery charges in a pay-for-play scheme to steer recruits to Adidas-sponsored schools. Brian Bowen Sr., the father of five-star recruit Brian Bowen Jr., testified that Dawkins told him that then-Arizona associate head coach Joe Pasternack offered $50,000 for his son to sign with the Wildcats in the spring of 2017. Pasternack is now the head coach at UC Santa Barbara."

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26668686/ncaa-launches-investigation-arizona-program
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movielover said:

socaltownie said:

calumnus said:

socaltownie said:

Big C said:

movielover said:

Stanford head assistant Rob Ehsan should arguably be a top candidate, probably the top MBB assistant in the Bay Area.

- young (42) with a strong track record
- four-year stint as the HC at Univ Alabama Birmingham (UAB) - where his teams averaged 19 wins a season at 76-57 overall (38-34 in league)
- he's worked in the northeast (Maryland), south (Virginia Rech and UAB), and Northern California, so he has nationwide contacts
- familiar with working at tough academic institutions, including the UC (UC Davis graduate)
- knowledgeable and personable

https://gostanford.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/rob-ehsan/4327


"Oscar da Silva Assistant Men's Basketball Coach"?!?

Fine, whatever, put him on the list, he looks viable. That's the thing, there are a hundred guys out there who look viable... and we got Fox. Sacramento native. UC Davis grad.

One of my reservations would be that he looks like a branch of the Jerrod Haase Coaching Tree and that's a guy that probably shouldn't have his own tree. Plus, he has probably been fed negative stuff about Cal. Sorta kidding with that... to the list!


Being a uc grad is far different than being employed by a yc in respect to understanding the process and culture.

Pasternack. Those guys side by side is no comparison.

Ps. The key is socal recruiting chops. No more guys that don't know it.


He has actually been better at recruiting NorCal and Central California (also key for Cal) but I am sure Pasternak will be FAR more successful in recruiting SoCal with a boatload of donor NIL money at his disposal.
???

He got fired from UAB. I havent' looked to see if he got recruits to come from NoCal/Central California out there. He has now been on the Farm for 2 years.

In 2022 they signed 2 kids from SoCal and another from Texas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%9323_Stanford_Cardinal_men%27s_basketball_team
In 2021 they inked another kid from Texas, kids from France and NC, and then a Sacto kid. Not sure if he was involved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%9322_Stanford_Cardinal_men%27s_basketball_team


Cal will be dead to me until JK gets canned if this is the hire over Pasternack. THe delta here is just ridiculous. He has won 20+ games at UCSB 5 out of 6 years!!!!




Will Bears overlook the alleged FBI deal?

ESPN: "Other allegations of rules violations surfaced during an October federal criminal trial, in which a jury convicted Code and Dawkins of bribery charges in a pay-for-play scheme to steer recruits to Adidas-sponsored schools. Brian Bowen Sr., the father of five-star recruit Brian Bowen Jr., testified that Dawkins told him that then-Arizona associate head coach Joe Pasternack offered $50,000 for his son to sign with the Wildcats in the spring of 2017. Pasternack is now the head coach at UC Santa Barbara."

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26668686/ncaa-launches-investigation-arizona-program


Joe has practice paying players, has no qualms about it, now it is legal and with the backing of certain big donors he will have a lot more money to offer.
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HoopDreams said:

Yes he covers the Ducks, but he also covers the Pac12 extensively (like Wilner)

wifeisafurd said:

The program really has hit a low point. An Oreogn writer trashes the coach. program, players (indirectly), fans and AD, and you know, it is hard to take issue with what he says. And yes, I think any guy JK hires, will lose as well.

agreed Wilner and Canzano are the only writers who cover the Pac. Canzano still is a bit of Oregon homer, just as Wilner is a bit of Furd homer. Wilner wants to be a bit of a Cal homer (he is tight with certain people at Cal) but the teams keep letting him down.

BTW, I think Canzano kinda nails the where the program is at and JK's thought process towards the team.
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calumnus said:

BearSD said:

concernedparent said:

bluehenbear said:

It seems DeCuire is having some success at Montana, but I don't hear his name bandied about for any other P5 openings other than Cal.
Life comes at you pretty fast. He hasn't been good the last few years.
That's why if a head coach has a couple of good years at a mid-major, he should leave for the first good opportunity he gets. Future success is never guaranteed.



Montana is a tough gig, tough to recruit to.

DeCuire (and Cuonzo) are now both in their 50s, which is ancient to a 16 year old.

I still think DeCuire could be successful at Cal, he would be in my top 10, but I am less enthused than 8, 6 and 4 years ago. I think a young coach with energy is needed to bring excitement and rebuild the program .
Given the salary level and status of the program, you are looking at a reread or an inexperienced coach. On the inexperienced side, I don't really see JK with the background to make that decision.
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Golden One said:

calumnus said:


I think a young coach with energy is needed to bring excitement and rebuild the program .
Exactly. No more retreads in their 50s.
While this might be true, how many of us wish we were still retreads in our 50's?
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HearstMining said:

Golden One said:

calumnus said:


I think a young coach with energy is needed to bring excitement and rebuild the program .
Exactly. No more retreads in their 50s.
While this might be true, how many of us wish we were still retreads in our 50's?
Best post of the year.
Go Bears!
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wifeisafurd said:

calumnus said:

BearSD said:

concernedparent said:

bluehenbear said:

It seems DeCuire is having some success at Montana, but I don't hear his name bandied about for any other P5 openings other than Cal.
Life comes at you pretty fast. He hasn't been good the last few years.
That's why if a head coach has a couple of good years at a mid-major, he should leave for the first good opportunity he gets. Future success is never guaranteed.



Montana is a tough gig, tough to recruit to.

DeCuire (and Cuonzo) are now both in their 50s, which is ancient to a 16 year old.

I still think DeCuire could be successful at Cal, he would be in my top 10, but I am less enthused than 8, 6 and 4 years ago. I think a young coach with energy is needed to bring excitement and rebuild the program .
Given the salary level and status of the program, you are looking at a reread or an inexperienced coach. On the inexperienced side, I don't really see JK with the background to make that decision.


Knowlton is paid $1.3 million a year and we all agree he is not qualified to do the job of even a mid-major AD.

That is why the next basketball hire (or any coaching hire) cannot be made by Knowlton (and the search firm). We need him to have a search committee, but not a committee that he would select. We need guys he wouldn't pick, we need guys like Monty Buckley on it.
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wifeisafurd said:

HoopDreams said:

Yes he covers the Ducks, but he also covers the Pac12 extensively (like Wilner)

wifeisafurd said:

The program really has hit a low point. An Oreogn writer trashes the coach. program, players (indirectly), fans and AD, and you know, it is hard to take issue with what he says. And yes, I think any guy JK hires, will lose as well.

agreed Wilner and Canzano are the only writers who cover the Pac. Canzano still is a bit of Oregon homer, just as Wilner is a bit of Furd homer. Wilner wants to be a bit of a Cal homer (he is tight with certain people at Cal) but the teams keep letting him down.

BTW, I think Canzano kinda nails the where the program is at and JK's thought process towards the team.
I think it is good that we have some outsiders writing about Cal. Folks with inside info are to easily swayed by excuses: covid, CoB, academics, injuries, blah.... (we certainly had plenty of alums who bought into the spin)
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