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"What in the world has happened at the schools that brought us Jason Kidd and Brevin Knight?

"I think in some ways the schools have not kept up with the changes in college athletics," Montgomery said in an interview on Monday, his 76th birthday. "The schools have sort of stayed status quo in terms of how they want to try to do their business, and college athletics has not stayed the same."

You need access to players. It's as simple as that. If you're going to wring your hands on every single kid that got a 'C,' then you're never going to get it done," said Montgomery, who stays close to both programs these days as a game analyst for the Pac-12 Network. "You're going to have to allow kids an avenue, you're going to have to support them academically and help them succeed."

Montgomery said a poor NCAA graduation report among football and men's basketball players at Cal in 2013 was met with a sharp response from the campus, which further tightened admissions.

"They were really holding the line and that's great. But you've got to work together and have common goals, understand who you are and what you want," he said. "If being successful in football and men's basketball is important to them, and it should be, they're going to have to work together and get it done."

Cal's talent level dropped off after coach Cuonzo Martin left following the 2016-17 season. The Bears most recently had a top-50 national recruiting recruiting class in 2018 under Wyking Jones, but Matt Bradley, Andre Kelly and Connor Vanover all transferred during Fox's tenure.

"Now all of a sudden they start losing and they got behind the 8-ball," Montgomery said. "They're going to have to work real hard to where they're competitive again."

Cal is 38-84 under Fox, including 17-59 in Pac-21 play.

Simply making a coaching change won't resolve that problem, Montgomery said, unless other changes follow.

"Mark Fox is a good coach," Montgomery said. "If you're not going to support the person and give him an opportunity, you're wasting your time."

Mike Montgomery: Stanford, Cal 'not keeping up' in men's college hoops


https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/03/02/stanford-cal-mens-college-basketball-mike-montgomery-college-changes
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Insightful.
"Those who say don't know, and those who know don't say." - LT
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Tedford was right. Readin' an' writin' are way overvalued in Murkun sports/entertainment edumication.

MOST BIG DONORS WILL NOT PUT MONEY INTO FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL IF SAID DONORS DO NOT HAVE A REASONABLE RETUN OF TAX DEDUCTIBLE TRIPS TO MAJOR BOWLS AND TOURNAMENTS.

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joe amos yaks said:

Insightful.


….except for the one troll quote in his interview.
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Credible comments until the "Mark Fox is a good coach" comment.

Those three guys don't transfer out of he was a good coach.
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Econ141 said:

Credible comments until the "Mark Fox is a good coach" comment.

Those three guys don't transfer out of he was a good coach.

The Coaching Fraternity brothers have each other's backs like the Thin Blue Line brothers do.
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Coaching Community Rule #1: Thou shalt not publicly speak ill of a fellow coach.

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He's such a good coach that he's about to get fired and never get another head D-1 gig again.
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HearstMining said:

Coaching Community Rule #1: Thou shalt not publicly speak ill of a fellow coach.


Reminds me of when Lou C. got fired and the coaching community and Dickie V came to his defense. Never got another coaching job though.
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HearstMining said:

Coaching Community Rule #1: Thou shalt not publicly speak ill of a fellow coach.




Unless, of course, said coach gives a family member of a PG with a dribble height a whisker under chin level a briefcase with 30 large in it.

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I agree with Montgomery's point - the response to athletes' academic lack of success can't be just tightening admissions. The response has to be on-campus support and attention.
It can be done and Cal has done it in the past with athletes who were not the best HS students academically. But, it has to be done between facuty and coaches. Neither can undercut the other.
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In my day, a local news outlet broke a story of a Cal star not attending classes. During that same period, a buddy of mine was taking a 3 hour final exam and saw a star athlete hand in his blue book after 15 minutes.
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joe amos yaks said:

Insightful.
Sadly its a HUGE obstacle that hinders getting in the prospect, who while has low grades has potential and has dealt with a difficult upbringing. Only one basketball player in the past 7 seasons has been accepted with a sub 3.0 gpa on the men's hoops team. That athlete had a 2.8 gpa and will graduate this season. Football admissions have been better/more flexible, but not nearly to the level needed to be a consistently winning program. It's a shame as quality student athletes are often denied and if they are considered, must go thru multiple interviews to prove their understanding of the academic demands that would face. With improved academic support (and the dept has strengthened this area) the marginal student HS performance can be successful at Cal.
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ncbears said:

I agree with Montgomery's point - the response to athletes' academic lack of success can't be just tightening admissions. The response has to be on-campus support and attention.
It can be done and Cal has done it in the past with athletes who were not the best HS students academically. But, it has to be done between facuty and coaches. Neither can undercut the other.
It was awhile ago (maybe 90s) that Cal had an excellent academic support program for athletes that was actually a great recruiting tool. Anyone know whatever happened to that?
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Monty does know a bit about kids that got "C"s. See Jacobsen, Casey.
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ncbears said:

I agree with Montgomery's point - the response to athletes' academic lack of success can't be just tightening admissions. The response has to be on-campus support and attention.
It can be done and Cal has done it in the past with athletes who were not the best HS students academically. But, it has to be done between facuty and coaches. Neither can undercut the other.
It was awhile ago (maybe 90s) that Cal had an excellent academic support program for athletes that was actually a great recruiting tool. Anyone know whatever happened to that?
I thought the story was that they invested in academic support for athletes when Tedford came on board but then over the years, budget cuts nibbled away at it, This, combined with accepting less academically motivated recruits, resulted in the APR shytestorm at the end of Tedford's Cal career. Is my recollection accurate?
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Fox may be a good old school coach but that wont work today.
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oskidunker said:

Fox may be a good old school coach but that wont work today.


And wouldn't work at Cal for decades.
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Big C said:


Monty does know a bit about kids that got "C"s. See Jacobsen, Casey.


Only Prince William has a more punchable face….and reasonable minds could differ on that.
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philbert said:

HearstMining said:

Coaching Community Rule #1: Thou shalt not publicly speak ill of a fellow coach.


Reminds me of when Lou C. got fired and the coaching community and Dickie V came to his defense. Never got another coaching job though.
Lou C could coach (and his players will tell you that), he had other issues. Amazing that the mismanaged Pac could give him oversight over refs. But Mark Fox? What is really interesting in an article about Stanford and Cal is he didn't mention the Stanford coach, who has squandered some decent talent.

Charmin Smith, the women's coach, is at least doing some innovative things to get around her roster weaknesses (lack of healthy bigs). What has Mark Fox done that is innovative or shows basketball savvy?
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wifeisafurd said:

philbert said:

HearstMining said:

Coaching Community Rule #1: Thou shalt not publicly speak ill of a fellow coach.


Reminds me of when Lou C. got fired and the coaching community and Dickie V came to his defense. Never got another coaching job though.
Lou C could coach (and his players will tell you that), he had other issues. Amazing that the mismanaged Pac could give him oversight over refs. But Mark Fox? What is really interesting in an article about Stanford and Cal is he didn't mention the Stanford coach, who has squandered some decent talent.

Charmin Smith, the women's coach, is at least doing some innovative things to get around her roster weaknesses (lack of healthy bigs). What has Mark Fox done that is innovative or shows basketball savvy?
What Fox has demonstrated is an unfathomable stubbornness to avoid changing anything that doesn't work - and blame it on others (which may be accurate) - but it comes across as belittling to his players and weak overall. If his biggest challenge is JK and CC as Harky4 claims, then he would do everyone a service to articulate that in a polite and professional manner.

Using a press conference to explain that his players aren't working hard enough or following his direction is a very bad look for a head coach at ANY level, in ANY era, under ANY circumstance. Monty is giving him the big clue right out in the open by praising him.

No one is reading that article and thinking "Gee - well if Monty says he's a great coach, then despite all evidence to the contrary, he must be right. Otherwise, he would just say it straight - right?"
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wifeisafurd said:

philbert said:

HearstMining said:

Coaching Community Rule #1: Thou shalt not publicly speak ill of a fellow coach.


Reminds me of when Lou C. got fired and the coaching community and Dickie V came to his defense. Never got another coaching job though.
Lou C could coach (and his players will tell you that), he had other issues. Amazing that the mismanaged Pac could give him oversight over refs. But Mark Fox? What is really interesting in an article about Stanford and Cal is he didn't mention the Stanford coach, who has squandered some decent talent.

Charmin Smith, the women's coach, is at least doing some innovative things to get around her roster weaknesses (lack of healthy bigs). What has Mark Fox done that is innovative or shows basketball savvy?
Agreed except for Coach Smith thoughts - Her conf record at Cal is 10-52 and 33-50 overall, candidly pathetic as well. And due to Title 9, Women's hoops has 15 scholarships to use. However the very poor records Cal has to show for Both hoops programs and also football clearly show that the university and the athletic dept must demonstrate much more financial support toward leveling the playing field/courts as well as admitting more student athletes who have endured extenuating circumstances during their HS years. With stepped up academic support (and it is better than just 8 years ago) the majority of these applicants can survive/stay academically eligible. There are several positive examples that when given the opportunity to gain admittance at Cal, the student athletes have done well.
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Big C said:


Monty does know a bit about kids that got "C"s. See Jacobsen, Casey.
Wait, Monty was talking about a C in high school. Casey graduated with a 3.93 GPA in high school, before grad inflation by AP courses. NO C's there.

I have met Casey several times, and he is bright guy. I think he would admit he may not have been the most diligent student at Stanford. But he returned to Stanford `14 years later (he left early for the NBA draft) and did graduate with this degree. It is real hard to get a C grade at Furd you have to work at it. (There is no "D" grade). Do you know that he got C's rather than the gentleman's B?

Casey can be utterly spellbinding talking about Pac basketball. While everyone views ASU the sleeping giant in all Pac sports with its utterly massive alumni base and easy admittance, you don't want to know who Casey thinks is the sleeping giant in men's basketball (hint, great basketball environment due to a certain nearby pro team, vibrant urban scene that is attractive to players, large NIL potential due to wealthy alum support, etc.). While Monty has some valid points, why does it takes an ex-Furd player to say we can be good, a guy we smack around. Tells you how far Cal has fallen.
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4thGenCal said:

wifeisafurd said:

philbert said:

HearstMining said:

Coaching Community Rule #1: Thou shalt not publicly speak ill of a fellow coach.


Reminds me of when Lou C. got fired and the coaching community and Dickie V came to his defense. Never got another coaching job though.
Lou C could coach (and his players will tell you that), he had other issues. Amazing that the mismanaged Pac could give him oversight over refs. But Mark Fox? What is really interesting in an article about Stanford and Cal is he didn't mention the Stanford coach, who has squandered some decent talent.

Charmin Smith, the women's coach, is at least doing some innovative things to get around her roster weaknesses (lack of healthy bigs). What has Mark Fox done that is innovative or shows basketball savvy?
Agreed except for Coach Smith thoughts - Her conf record at Cal is 10-52 and 33-50 overall, candidly pathetic as well. And due to Title 9, Women's hoops has 15 scholarships to use. However the very poor records Cal has to show for Both hoops programs and also football clearly show that the university and the athletic dept must demonstrate much more financial support toward leveling the playing field/courts as well as admitting more student athletes who have endured extenuating circumstances during their HS years. With stepped up academic support (and it is better than just 8 years ago) the majority of these applicants can survive/stay academically eligible. There are several positive examples that when given the opportunity to gain admittance at Cal, the student athletes have done well.
You're sorta making my point for me. Smith probably isn't as a keeper either, but at least she is better than Fox - the comment was meant to be more about Fox. Remember, Monty's basic argument is that Fox is a good coach, but Cal won't let in a lot of good players. I was just suggesting that Fox hasn't done anything to compensate for roster issues, where at least Smith has, and she is a much more competitive side of the conference. If she is bad, in what possible way is Fox a good coach?
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wifeisafurd said:

Big C said:


Monty does know a bit about kids that got "C"s. See Jacobsen, Casey.
Wait, Monty was talking about a C in high school. Casey graduated with a 3.93 GPA in high school, before grad inflation by AP courses. NO C's there.

I have met Casey several times, and he is bright guy. I think he would admit he may not have been the most diligent student at Stanford. But he returned to Stanford `14 years later (he left early for the NBA draft) and did graduate with this degree. It is real hard to get a C grade at Furd you have to work at it. (There is no "D" grade). Do you know that he got C's rather than the gentleman's B?

Casey can be utterly spellbinding talking about Pac basketball. While everyone views ASU the sleeping giant in all Pac sports with its utterly massive alumni base and easy admittance, you don't want to know who Casey thinks is the sleeping giant in men's basketball (hint, great basketball environment due to a certain nearby pro team, vibrant urban scene that is attractive to players, large NIL potential due to wealthy alum support, etc.). While Monty has some valid points, why does it takes an ex-Furd player to say we can be good, a guy we smack around. Tells you how far Cal has fallen.

Yeah, I was just taking a gratuitous shot at Jacobsen because
a) he starred for our arch rival (killing us on a regular basis, to boot)
b) I heard somewhere along the line that he was getting "gentlemen's C"s... dunno where

He was a really good college player. We sure coulda used a guy like that this season. So basically, I'm jealous. We are something of a sleeping giant: Get a good coach, competitive NIL and a decent practice facility and we would be off to the races.
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wifeisafurd said:

philbert said:

HearstMining said:

Coaching Community Rule #1: Thou shalt not publicly speak ill of a fellow coach.


Reminds me of when Lou C. got fired and the coaching community and Dickie V came to his defense. Never got another coaching job though.
Lou C could coach (and his players will tell you that), he had other issues. Amazing that the mismanaged Pac could give him oversight over refs. But Mark Fox? What is really interesting in an article about Stanford and Cal is he didn't mention the Stanford coach, who has squandered some decent talent.

Charmin Smith, the women's coach, is at least doing some innovative things to get around her roster weaknesses (lack of healthy bigs). What has Mark Fox done that is innovative or shows basketball savvy?


The Lou Machine was firing on all cylinders when Gary Colson was running his offense.
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Big C said:

wifeisafurd said:

Big C said:


Monty does know a bit about kids that got "C"s. See Jacobsen, Casey.
Wait, Monty was talking about a C in high school. Casey graduated with a 3.93 GPA in high school, before grad inflation by AP courses. NO C's there.

I have met Casey several times, and he is bright guy. I think he would admit he may not have been the most diligent student at Stanford. But he returned to Stanford `14 years later (he left early for the NBA draft) and did graduate with this degree. It is real hard to get a C grade at Furd you have to work at it. (There is no "D" grade). Do you know that he got C's rather than the gentleman's B?

Casey can be utterly spellbinding talking about Pac basketball. While everyone views ASU the sleeping giant in all Pac sports with its utterly massive alumni base and easy admittance, you don't want to know who Casey thinks is the sleeping giant in men's basketball (hint, great basketball environment due to a certain nearby pro team, vibrant urban scene that is attractive to players, large NIL potential due to wealthy alum support, etc.). While Monty has some valid points, why does it takes an ex-Furd player to say we can be good, a guy we smack around. Tells you how far Cal has fallen.

Yeah, I was just taking a gratuitous shot at Jacobsen because
a) he starred for our arch rival (killing us on a regular basis, to boot)
b) I heard somewhere along the line that he was getting "gentlemen's C"s... dunno where

He was a really good college player. We sure coulda used a guy like that this season. So basically, I'm jealous. We are something of a sleeping giant: Get a good coach, competitive NIL and a decent practice facility and we would be off to the races.
I think the actual quote from Jacobsen was "C's earn degrees."
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wifeisafurd said:

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Monty does know a bit about kids that got "C"s. See Jacobsen, Casey.
Wait, Monty was talking about a C in high school. Casey graduated with a 3.93 GPA in high school, before grad inflation by AP courses. NO C's there.

I have met Casey several times, and he is bright guy. I think he would admit he may not have been the most diligent student at Stanford. But he returned to Stanford `14 years later (he left early for the NBA draft) and did graduate with this degree. It is real hard to get a C grade at Furd you have to work at it. (There is no "D" grade). Do you know that he got C's rather than the gentleman's B?

Casey can be utterly spellbinding talking about Pac basketball. While everyone views ASU the sleeping giant in all Pac sports with its utterly massive alumni base and easy admittance, you don't want to know who Casey thinks is the sleeping giant in men's basketball (hint, great basketball environment due to a certain nearby pro team, vibrant urban scene that is attractive to players, large NIL potential due to wealthy alum support, etc.). While Monty has some valid points, why does it takes an ex-Furd player to say we can be good, a guy we smack around. Tells you how far Cal has fallen.
Jacobson was quoted back in his 'furd days saying "C's earn degrees."
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joe amos yaks said:

Insightful.
Right up until he said Fox is a good coach.
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His color commentary is embarrassing. He is a goofy f@uck than has not got one iota better at his chosen post NBA craft after all these years of doing it.
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Big C said:

wifeisafurd said:

Big C said:


Monty does know a bit about kids that got "C"s. See Jacobsen, Casey.
Wait, Monty was talking about a C in high school. Casey graduated with a 3.93 GPA in high school, before grad inflation by AP courses. NO C's there.

I have met Casey several times, and he is bright guy. I think he would admit he may not have been the most diligent student at Stanford. But he returned to Stanford `14 years later (he left early for the NBA draft) and did graduate with this degree. It is real hard to get a C grade at Furd you have to work at it. (There is no "D" grade). Do you know that he got C's rather than the gentleman's B?

Casey can be utterly spellbinding talking about Pac basketball. While everyone views ASU the sleeping giant in all Pac sports with its utterly massive alumni base and easy admittance, you don't want to know who Casey thinks is the sleeping giant in men's basketball (hint, great basketball environment due to a certain nearby pro team, vibrant urban scene that is attractive to players, large NIL potential due to wealthy alum support, etc.). While Monty has some valid points, why does it takes an ex-Furd player to say we can be good, a guy we smack around. Tells you how far Cal has fallen.

Yeah, I was just taking a gratuitous shot at Jacobsen because
a) he starred for our arch rival (killing us on a regular basis, to boot)
b) I heard somewhere along the line that he was getting "gentlemen's C"s... dunno where

He was a really good college player. We sure coulda used a guy like that this season. So basically, I'm jealous. We are something of a sleeping giant: Get a good coach, competitive NIL and a decent practice facility and we would be off to the races.
That's not much to ask for. Where is Cal going to get all the money for that?
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SFCityBear said:

Big C said:

wifeisafurd said:

Big C said:


Monty does know a bit about kids that got "C"s. See Jacobsen, Casey.
Wait, Monty was talking about a C in high school. Casey graduated with a 3.93 GPA in high school, before grad inflation by AP courses. NO C's there.

I have met Casey several times, and he is bright guy. I think he would admit he may not have been the most diligent student at Stanford. But he returned to Stanford `14 years later (he left early for the NBA draft) and did graduate with this degree. It is real hard to get a C grade at Furd you have to work at it. (There is no "D" grade). Do you know that he got C's rather than the gentleman's B?

Casey can be utterly spellbinding talking about Pac basketball. While everyone views ASU the sleeping giant in all Pac sports with its utterly massive alumni base and easy admittance, you don't want to know who Casey thinks is the sleeping giant in men's basketball (hint, great basketball environment due to a certain nearby pro team, vibrant urban scene that is attractive to players, large NIL potential due to wealthy alum support, etc.). While Monty has some valid points, why does it takes an ex-Furd player to say we can be good, a guy we smack around. Tells you how far Cal has fallen.

Yeah, I was just taking a gratuitous shot at Jacobsen because
a) he starred for our arch rival (killing us on a regular basis, to boot)
b) I heard somewhere along the line that he was getting "gentlemen's C"s... dunno where

He was a really good college player. We sure coulda used a guy like that this season. So basically, I'm jealous. We are something of a sleeping giant: Get a good coach, competitive NIL and a decent practice facility and we would be off to the races.
That's not much to ask for. Where is Cal going to get all the money for that?
Seems that donors are willing to pitch in for NIL should Pasternack be hired. Practice facility is tough just because of crazy real estate costs here but there is no denying Cal of all places has a high potential. What other university has the blend of average wealth of alums (bay area incomes especially in tech, law, real estate) combined with such a large volume? I hope one of our billionaires is feeling particularly generous. Haas family, Milken, Goldman, anyone. I wonder from all cash in hand to grand opening, how long the process would take to construct?

On the grades note though, I am surprised to hear that we have such difficulty finding recruits that can pass the 3.0 GPA threshold. I understand that many of them do not have many resources for academic success, or are busy with basketball but... to be quite frank 3.0 in today's high school era is really, really easy. I went to a pretty academically rigorous high school and even then to have an overall GPA of below 3.0 was pretty rare. Really surprised to hear the GPA barrier is so tough for us. Grade inflation is nuts.
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I thought Stanford ceased giving out letter grades years ago. I must have missed it, but when did they reinstate the policy of giving out letter grades?
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eastcoastcal said:

SFCityBear said:

Big C said:

wifeisafurd said:

Big C said:


Monty does know a bit about kids that got "C"s. See Jacobsen, Casey.
Wait, Monty was talking about a C in high school. Casey graduated with a 3.93 GPA in high school, before grad inflation by AP courses. NO C's there.

I have met Casey several times, and he is bright guy. I think he would admit he may not have been the most diligent student at Stanford. But he returned to Stanford `14 years later (he left early for the NBA draft) and did graduate with this degree. It is real hard to get a C grade at Furd you have to work at it. (There is no "D" grade). Do you know that he got C's rather than the gentleman's B?

Casey can be utterly spellbinding talking about Pac basketball. While everyone views ASU the sleeping giant in all Pac sports with its utterly massive alumni base and easy admittance, you don't want to know who Casey thinks is the sleeping giant in men's basketball (hint, great basketball environment due to a certain nearby pro team, vibrant urban scene that is attractive to players, large NIL potential due to wealthy alum support, etc.). While Monty has some valid points, why does it takes an ex-Furd player to say we can be good, a guy we smack around. Tells you how far Cal has fallen.

Yeah, I was just taking a gratuitous shot at Jacobsen because
a) he starred for our arch rival (killing us on a regular basis, to boot)
b) I heard somewhere along the line that he was getting "gentlemen's C"s... dunno where

He was a really good college player. We sure coulda used a guy like that this season. So basically, I'm jealous. We are something of a sleeping giant: Get a good coach, competitive NIL and a decent practice facility and we would be off to the races.
That's not much to ask for. Where is Cal going to get all the money for that?
Seems that donors are willing to pitch in for NIL should Pasternack be hired. Practice facility is tough just because of crazy real estate costs here but there is no denying Cal of all places has a high potential. What other university has the blend of average wealth of alums (bay area incomes especially in tech, law, real estate) combined with such a large volume? I hope one of our billionaires is feeling particularly generous. Haas family, Milken, Goldman, anyone. I wonder from all cash in hand to grand opening, how long the process would take to construct?

On the grades note though, I am surprised to hear that we have such difficulty finding recruits that can pass the 3.0 GPA threshold. I understand that many of them do not have many resources for academic success, or are busy with basketball but... to be quite frank 3.0 in today's high school era is really, really easy. I went to a pretty academically rigorous high school and even then to have an overall GPA of below 3.0 was pretty rare. Really surprised to hear the GPA barrier is so tough for us. Grade inflation is nuts.
I'm not so sure the Haas family would be interested in risking good money after what they gave not too long ago, especially after seeing how empty their Haas facility seems for games these days. Even some of the concession stands are closed.
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SFCityBear said:

eastcoastcal said:

SFCityBear said:

Big C said:

wifeisafurd said:

Big C said:


Monty does know a bit about kids that got "C"s. See Jacobsen, Casey.
Wait, Monty was talking about a C in high school. Casey graduated with a 3.93 GPA in high school, before grad inflation by AP courses. NO C's there.

I have met Casey several times, and he is bright guy. I think he would admit he may not have been the most diligent student at Stanford. But he returned to Stanford `14 years later (he left early for the NBA draft) and did graduate with this degree. It is real hard to get a C grade at Furd you have to work at it. (There is no "D" grade). Do you know that he got C's rather than the gentleman's B?

Casey can be utterly spellbinding talking about Pac basketball. While everyone views ASU the sleeping giant in all Pac sports with its utterly massive alumni base and easy admittance, you don't want to know who Casey thinks is the sleeping giant in men's basketball (hint, great basketball environment due to a certain nearby pro team, vibrant urban scene that is attractive to players, large NIL potential due to wealthy alum support, etc.). While Monty has some valid points, why does it takes an ex-Furd player to say we can be good, a guy we smack around. Tells you how far Cal has fallen.

Yeah, I was just taking a gratuitous shot at Jacobsen because
a) he starred for our arch rival (killing us on a regular basis, to boot)
b) I heard somewhere along the line that he was getting "gentlemen's C"s... dunno where

He was a really good college player. We sure coulda used a guy like that this season. So basically, I'm jealous. We are something of a sleeping giant: Get a good coach, competitive NIL and a decent practice facility and we would be off to the races.
That's not much to ask for. Where is Cal going to get all the money for that?
Seems that donors are willing to pitch in for NIL should Pasternack be hired. Practice facility is tough just because of crazy real estate costs here but there is no denying Cal of all places has a high potential. What other university has the blend of average wealth of alums (bay area incomes especially in tech, law, real estate) combined with such a large volume? I hope one of our billionaires is feeling particularly generous. Haas family, Milken, Goldman, anyone. I wonder from all cash in hand to grand opening, how long the process would take to construct?

On the grades note though, I am surprised to hear that we have such difficulty finding recruits that can pass the 3.0 GPA threshold. I understand that many of them do not have many resources for academic success, or are busy with basketball but... to be quite frank 3.0 in today's high school era is really, really easy. I went to a pretty academically rigorous high school and even then to have an overall GPA of below 3.0 was pretty rare. Really surprised to hear the GPA barrier is so tough for us. Grade inflation is nuts.
I'm not so sure the Haas family would be interested in risking good money after what they gave not too long ago, especially after seeing how empty their Haas facility seems for games these days. Even some of the concession stands are closed.
And another fan friendly move is they wont accept cash at concession stands. I have a friend that now brings his own food. Cash is legal tender. While I don't care seems foolish.
Go Bears!
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