We dont want Mike Brey..I have friends at ND, practice would begin with the assistant coaches, he would come in late, then sit and watch (allegedly cocktail flu), as the asisstants ran practice.
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Yikes I hope those on the choosing committee have this information.
This hire has to be right !!!
How many players will stay /moving on / roster holes to fill ?
This hire has to be right !!!
How many players will stay /moving on / roster holes to fill ?
Tell someone you love them and try to have a good day
Roster holes?
Where?
Where?
At age 52, Cal should require the candidate to have proven something (success at P5 level, out-recruiting top programs, dramatic player development, X/O genius, etc). Other than a few folks here convinced that Monty endorsed him, I haven't seen any of that with Decuire. Nine years ago would have been the time to take the chance - but now is probably not the time.mbBear said:in the spirit of full disclosure, he has been to the tournament twice, and never had a losing season in what, 9 years? (one season of .500)...oskidunker said:Losingnin Montana.going4roses said:
Where is the HC that got passed up for jones ?
But, if Cal missed on him, then so have a lot of other schools, unless he has turned down a lot of offers in his time in Montana...that's a good amount of time to not have moved on and up....
If JK had used that criteria (or anything beside he reminds me of myself), we could have avoided the Fox era.
Bobodeluxe said:
Roster holes?
Where?
Leave it up to BI
Tell someone you love them and try to have a good day
Three years a HC and NO P5 experience (either as a player or a coach). That is a red flag for me. And the reason is that to compete in the P5 you have to have some (not all but some) players who aspire to going to the NBA and you need to be able to convincingly discuss with them how you will prepare them for that journey. If you can't do that you are unlikely to sign and the result is that Cal plays way too many games against programs recruiting at that level to do anything ever better than get the seed of death.calumnus said:socaltownie said:I really don't think many on this board really grasp how DIFFERENT UC is from the rest of the college athletic world. UCLA is really the outlier (and not that much except in those eras where you have VERY strong coaches (Chipster) or success (current hoops).bluesaxe said:eastcoastcal said:Love the steve nash idea btw (i just think it would jump start recruiting)KoreAmBear said:
Put on our search list every coach on here that makes less than $500K (or a number way less than what we would offer, as to incentivize them):Top 50 College Basketball Coaches Of The Year pic.twitter.com/bUO9tkXNA6
— Big Game Boomer (@BigGameBoomer) March 6, 2023
but a cursory glance at this list for coaches who are "poachable" and seem to be successful: to be clear, a bunch of these guys are going to have interest from better programs than us
Dusty May
Pat Kelsey
Paul Mills
Tod Kowalczyk
Amir Abdul-Rahim
Ryan Odom
Leon Rice
Brian Wardle
May ought to be a hot commodity but he'd be a huge upgrade in style of play, style of coaching, and overall approach. He's got a rep as a guy who is constantly learning as well as a great teacher. No West Coast connections and probably not a guy our fearless "leader" would ever pick but he seems like a good upside swing to me.
Whereas in most of college athletics the atthletic teams are co-equals (or more) with the academic side of the house and where there is a strong business case (marketing and brand awareness at schools looking to juice application pool) for sports success this is NOT the case at UC. It just isn't. This can (and has) frustrated coaches at Cal endlessly. See Sonny Dykes for a great example and ditto Martin. It just sets up tension from day one if someone is hired that doesn't "get it". Heck, Shocky1 doesn't get it with his *****ing about Martin's kid not getting a special treatment in the admissions process.
We MUST (IMO) hire a coach who doesn't chaff about that from day 1. Either because they have coached (or at least assisted) at a UC or because in the interview process (I would note with a NON UC'er in the AD chair) they get this.
It is really why I think Pasternack is the right choice (or at least lets see). Joe would NOT come in from day 1 frustrated. He has navigated that situation down at UCSB now for several years and as video boy knows his way around the Berkeley campus. Turner (who I don't like ) would also come in and be able to navigate things. But FAU is a school where Basketball success _IS_ important to the business case of raising the applicant pool and thus USN&W rankings.
BTW - I also don't think this is really a student athlete alumn thing either. Students see some of this but mostly as students. Far different and removed from the fact that at many schools the coach can call up a faculty member and get what they need for a player and where at Cal those phone calls are rarely made and if they are the coach quickly finds out who is boss.
UC Riverside is a UC and Magpayo is a UC Santa Barbara grad and coached at Columbia which is even more slanted towards academics versus athletics than Cal.
that was a fact-check post by me...in no way was I lobbying for Decuire...BeachedBear said:At age 52, Cal should require the candidate to have proven something (success at P5 level, out-recruiting top programs, dramatic player development, X/O genius, etc). Other than a few folks here convinced that Monty endorsed him, I haven't seen any of that with Decuire. Nine years ago would have been the time to take the chance - but now is probably not the time.mbBear said:in the spirit of full disclosure, he has been to the tournament twice, and never had a losing season in what, 9 years? (one season of .500)...oskidunker said:Losingnin Montana.going4roses said:
Where is the HC that got passed up for jones ?
But, if Cal missed on him, then so have a lot of other schools, unless he has turned down a lot of offers in his time in Montana...that's a good amount of time to not have moved on and up....
If JK had used that criteria (or anything beside he reminds me of myself), we could have avoided the Fox era.
If I recall,virtually no one on this board was thrilled with the Fox hire. It was a head scratcher. Does anyone know why Knowlton approved the recommendation of the search firm? Does he really not need any input from donors? Do our donors not care enough to ensure their voices are taken into consideration? What actually happened to allow Fox to be hired?
What are the odds Miles is hired? A national search?
Go Bears!
Let me start by saying that I thought Fox was an uninspiring, if not downright bad, choice from the get-go. But I understood Knowlton's reasoning. Following the Jones fiasco, he simply wasn't going to hire another unproven coach. Granted Fox only had proven mediacracy; however, I am not aware of anyone with a better proven record that was willing to come to Cal.Econ141 said:
If I recall,virtually no one on this board was thrilled with the Fox hire. It was a head scratcher. Does anyone know why Knowlton approved the recommendation of the search firm? Does he really not need any input from donors? Do our donors not care enough to ensure their voices are taken into consideration? What actually happened to allow Fox to be hired?
In hindsight, it probably would have been better for Knowlton to keep Jones one more year to a) eliminate the contract buyout, and b) buy more time (and money) to seek a better replacement.
I think Fox was a bad fit more than a bad coach. He (along with his affinity bro Knowlton) would look better at a service academy.Civil Bear said:Let me start by saying that I thought Fox was an uninspiring, if not downright bad, choice from the get-go. But I understood Knowlton's reasoning. Following the Jones fiasco, he simply wasn't going to hire another unproven coach. Granted Fox only had proven mediacracy; however, I am not aware of anyone with a better proven record that was willing to come to Cal.Econ141 said:
If I recall,virtually no one on this board was thrilled with the Fox hire. It was a head scratcher. Does anyone know why Knowlton approved the recommendation of the search firm? Does he really not need any input from donors? Do our donors not care enough to ensure their voices are taken into consideration? What actually happened to allow Fox to be hired?
In hindsight, it probably would have been better for Knowlton to keep Jones one more year to a) eliminate the contract buyout, and b) buy more time (and money) to seek a better replacement.
I predict the new coach will not be the kicker or the sjs retread.
Go Bears!
That is a wise prediction. Our last 4 hires have been total shockers that we're not mentioned at all.oskidunker said:
I predict the new coach will not be the kicker or the sjs retread.
Gary Payton…..? Coaches in Oakland I think.
With Knownuttin at the helm, it is impossible for me to believe ~ much less think ~ that he will make a VERY good choice for Cal.
Ergo, I have nothing vested in what happens with MBB in the near term (next month).
Ergo, I have nothing vested in what happens with MBB in the near term (next month).
The other problem for the pessimist is that it is hard not to think that any coach who would take this job is too crazy, stupid, unwanted, or just trying to get one payday to ever succeed because they either are too stupid to know they are doomed to fail or don't care that they are doomed to fail. Fox was in the unwanted and just trying to get one more payday categories.UrsineMaximus said:
With Knownuttin at the helm, it is impossible for me to believe ~ much less think ~ that he will make a VERY good choice for Cal.
Ergo, I have nothing vested in what happens with MBB in the near term (next month).
BearlyCareAnymore said:The other problem for the pessimist is that it is hard not to think that any coach who would take this job is too crazy, stupid, unwanted, or just trying to get one payday to ever succeed because they either are too stupid to know they are doomed to fail or don't care that they are doomed to fail. Fox was in the unwanted and just trying to get one more payday categories.UrsineMaximus said:
With Knownuttin at the helm, it is impossible for me to believe ~ much less think ~ that he will make a VERY good choice for Cal.
Ergo, I have nothing vested in what happens with MBB in the near term (next month).
Except for Joe Pasternak who apparently really wants this job lol. I don't get it - seems like any other school right now would be a better career move for him.
You are making an assumption that he really wants this job. He may. I don't know. But first of all, that is a lot of hearsay and then people grasping and acting like it is absolutely true because a guy knows a guy who knows a guy who said it was. Second of all, it may be based on the past. Third of all, even if Pasternak directly told some people that it is his dream job he has every reason to tell any employer they are his dream job. Cal was supposedly Sonny Dykes dream job and that was clearly not accurate. You know he wants the job when he says yes.Econ141 said:BearlyCareAnymore said:The other problem for the pessimist is that it is hard not to think that any coach who would take this job is too crazy, stupid, unwanted, or just trying to get one payday to ever succeed because they either are too stupid to know they are doomed to fail or don't care that they are doomed to fail. Fox was in the unwanted and just trying to get one more payday categories.UrsineMaximus said:
With Knownuttin at the helm, it is impossible for me to believe ~ much less think ~ that he will make a VERY good choice for Cal.
Ergo, I have nothing vested in what happens with MBB in the near term (next month).
Except for Joe Pasternak who apparently really wants this job lol. I don't get it - seems like any other school right now would be a better career move for him.
I think it's because if he gets hired there's good chance the practice facilities get built.Econ141 said:BearlyCareAnymore said:The other problem for the pessimist is that it is hard not to think that any coach who would take this job is too crazy, stupid, unwanted, or just trying to get one payday to ever succeed because they either are too stupid to know they are doomed to fail or don't care that they are doomed to fail. Fox was in the unwanted and just trying to get one more payday categories.UrsineMaximus said:
With Knownuttin at the helm, it is impossible for me to believe ~ much less think ~ that he will make a VERY good choice for Cal.
Ergo, I have nothing vested in what happens with MBB in the near term (next month).
Except for Joe Pasternak who apparently really wants this job lol. I don't get it - seems like any other school right now would be a better career move for him.
From there it's just a matter of recruiting well.
Cal is an excellent job with basketball facilities and a good coach.
Basketball is much easier to turn around than football.
Good to hear that at least one person has confidence in Knownuttin. Congrats to you.BearlyCareAnymore said:The other problem for the pessimist is that it is hard not to think that any coach who would take this job is too crazy, stupid, unwanted, or just trying to get one payday to ever succeed because they either are too stupid to know they are doomed to fail or don't care that they are doomed to fail. Fox was in the unwanted and just trying to get one more payday categories.UrsineMaximus said:
With Knownuttin at the helm, it is impossible for me to believe ~ much less think ~ that he will make a VERY good choice for Cal.
Ergo, I have nothing vested in what happens with MBB in the near term (next month).
UrsineMaximus said:Good to hear that at least one person has confidence in Knownuttin. Congrats to you.BearlyCareAnymore said:The other problem for the pessimist is that it is hard not to think that any coach who would take this job is too crazy, stupid, unwanted, or just trying to get one payday to ever succeed because they either are too stupid to know they are doomed to fail or don't care that they are doomed to fail. Fox was in the unwanted and just trying to get one more payday categories.UrsineMaximus said:
With Knownuttin at the helm, it is impossible for me to believe ~ much less think ~ that he will make a VERY good choice for Cal.
Ergo, I have nothing vested in what happens with MBB in the near term (next month).
No idea how this relates to my post.
There may be hope that Donors will get who they want since Fox was fired so quickly. It would be embarrassing for jk if Pasternak hired given that a nation wide search was toutedBearlyCareAnymore said:UrsineMaximus said:Good to hear that at least one person has confidence in Knownuttin. Congrats to you.BearlyCareAnymore said:The other problem for the pessimist is that it is hard not to think that any coach who would take this job is too crazy, stupid, unwanted, or just trying to get one payday to ever succeed because they either are too stupid to know they are doomed to fail or don't care that they are doomed to fail. Fox was in the unwanted and just trying to get one more payday categories.UrsineMaximus said:
With Knownuttin at the helm, it is impossible for me to believe ~ much less think ~ that he will make a VERY good choice for Cal.
Ergo, I have nothing vested in what happens with MBB in the near term (next month).
No idea how this relates to my post.
Go Bears!
Yeah, we will see how it plays out. Someone said "well, alums who know him say he wants the job.." Well, sure, who wouldn't say that as long as it's an upgrade...but what if he gets a better offer, is he still hellbent on rebuilding Cal?Econ141 said:BearlyCareAnymore said:The other problem for the pessimist is that it is hard not to think that any coach who would take this job is too crazy, stupid, unwanted, or just trying to get one payday to ever succeed because they either are too stupid to know they are doomed to fail or don't care that they are doomed to fail. Fox was in the unwanted and just trying to get one more payday categories.UrsineMaximus said:
With Knownuttin at the helm, it is impossible for me to believe ~ much less think ~ that he will make a VERY good choice for Cal.
Ergo, I have nothing vested in what happens with MBB in the near term (next month).
Except for Joe Pasternak who apparently really wants this job lol. I don't get it - seems like any other school right now would be a better career move for him.
He knows Cal, and what it involves. He probably isn't going to get another offer that doesn't involve rebuilding...for example, he isn't going to Providence after that coach gets the Georgetown job....
Cooley may not budge. Georgetown is so like Cal. DeGioia is worried about the academic reputation of G'town being sullied by Pitino, and is stuck between Shrewsberry and Cooley, the former who will probably wind up at ND and the latter staying home. Result: Mike Brey, 3-17 in the ACC.mbBear said:Yeah, we will see how it plays out. Someone said "well, alums who know him say he wants the job.." Well, sure, who wouldn't say that as long as it's an upgrade...but what if he gets a better offer, is he still hellbent on rebuilding Cal?Econ141 said:BearlyCareAnymore said:The other problem for the pessimist is that it is hard not to think that any coach who would take this job is too crazy, stupid, unwanted, or just trying to get one payday to ever succeed because they either are too stupid to know they are doomed to fail or don't care that they are doomed to fail. Fox was in the unwanted and just trying to get one more payday categories.UrsineMaximus said:
With Knownuttin at the helm, it is impossible for me to believe ~ much less think ~ that he will make a VERY good choice for Cal.
Ergo, I have nothing vested in what happens with MBB in the near term (next month).
Except for Joe Pasternak who apparently really wants this job lol. I don't get it - seems like any other school right now would be a better career move for him.
He knows Cal, and what it involves. He probably isn't going to get another offer that doesn't involve rebuilding...for example, he isn't going to Providence after that coach gets the Georgetown job....
Idiotic running of athletic departments in both schools I love.
do u wanna bet ur net worth on that bet?oskidunker said:
I predict the new coach will not be the kicker or the sjs retread.
calling the next head coach "the kicker" is outdated, disrespectful not witty/funny & sadly means ur living in the past with no real knowledge of what it's gonna take to rebuild the cal basketball program
don't be a dumb azz#
Will be interesting to see how it works out at Gtown...obviously, you have a pulse of that place, but the "basketball first" situation, and the whole Big East makes it very interesting to me...OdontoBear66 said:Cooley may not budge. Georgetown is so like Cal. DeGioia is worried about the academic reputation of G'town being sullied by Pitino, and is stuck between Shrewsberry and Cooley, the former who will probably wind up at ND and the latter staying home. Result: Mike Brey, 3-17 in the ACC.mbBear said:Yeah, we will see how it plays out. Someone said "well, alums who know him say he wants the job.." Well, sure, who wouldn't say that as long as it's an upgrade...but what if he gets a better offer, is he still hellbent on rebuilding Cal?Econ141 said:BearlyCareAnymore said:The other problem for the pessimist is that it is hard not to think that any coach who would take this job is too crazy, stupid, unwanted, or just trying to get one payday to ever succeed because they either are too stupid to know they are doomed to fail or don't care that they are doomed to fail. Fox was in the unwanted and just trying to get one more payday categories.UrsineMaximus said:
With Knownuttin at the helm, it is impossible for me to believe ~ much less think ~ that he will make a VERY good choice for Cal.
Ergo, I have nothing vested in what happens with MBB in the near term (next month).
Except for Joe Pasternak who apparently really wants this job lol. I don't get it - seems like any other school right now would be a better career move for him.
He knows Cal, and what it involves. He probably isn't going to get another offer that doesn't involve rebuilding...for example, he isn't going to Providence after that coach gets the Georgetown job....
Idiotic running of athletic departments in both schools I love.
After firing Mike Anderson, St. John's is sending out signals that Rick Pitino is at the top of their list.
Well at G'town Lee Reed is the AD and he is a great guy. Runs everything but BB. Why? I really don't know. But I do know it comes down to the college President for the decision (DeGioia in this case) who has been part of the wallpaper at G'town for 40 years, President for 22 years. He and John Thompson were good buds and the school has been all "Thompson" in hoops for a long time. Even the Ewing hire. So what does JDG know about BB?mbBear said:Will be interesting to see how it works out at Gtown...obviously, you have a pulse of that place, but the "basketball first" situation, and the whole Big East makes it very interesting to me...OdontoBear66 said:Cooley may not budge. Georgetown is so like Cal. DeGioia is worried about the academic reputation of G'town being sullied by Pitino, and is stuck between Shrewsberry and Cooley, the former who will probably wind up at ND and the latter staying home. Result: Mike Brey, 3-17 in the ACC.mbBear said:Yeah, we will see how it plays out. Someone said "well, alums who know him say he wants the job.." Well, sure, who wouldn't say that as long as it's an upgrade...but what if he gets a better offer, is he still hellbent on rebuilding Cal?Econ141 said:BearlyCareAnymore said:The other problem for the pessimist is that it is hard not to think that any coach who would take this job is too crazy, stupid, unwanted, or just trying to get one payday to ever succeed because they either are too stupid to know they are doomed to fail or don't care that they are doomed to fail. Fox was in the unwanted and just trying to get one more payday categories.UrsineMaximus said:
With Knownuttin at the helm, it is impossible for me to believe ~ much less think ~ that he will make a VERY good choice for Cal.
Ergo, I have nothing vested in what happens with MBB in the near term (next month).
Except for Joe Pasternak who apparently really wants this job lol. I don't get it - seems like any other school right now would be a better career move for him.
He knows Cal, and what it involves. He probably isn't going to get another offer that doesn't involve rebuilding...for example, he isn't going to Providence after that coach gets the Georgetown job....
Idiotic running of athletic departments in both schools I love.
So compare the above to Cal. We have an AD who will be prime in the hire. One who many have big doubts about with the major sports. Similarities?
And yes, on the Johnnies with Pitino, and he loves staying near home as at Iona and playing Winged Foot CC.
Shocky1 said:do u wanna bet ur net worth on that bet?oskidunker said:
I predict the new coach will not be the kicker or the sjs retread.
calling the next head coach "the kicker" is outdated, disrespectful not witty/funny & sadly means ur living in the past with no real knowledge of what it's gonna take to rebuild the cal basketball program
don't be a dumb azz#
I am all for Pasternak. Not sure if Knowlton is. We can only hope.
Go Bears!
100% Joe Pasternack wants the Cal job - He is focused (where He should be) on preparing His team for the Tournament right now and UCSB Administration, is also trying to extend Him on much better terms. Your premise most certainly is true the majority of the time - However in this specific situation - JP does want the job and He is extremely aware of the challenges involved to turn around the program. He wants the West Coast and specifically the Bay Area, due to comfort/family, past experience at Cal and basketball relationships He has developed over the past 20 years. He would have the right people supporting him and while it would be a tremendous undertaking, he sincerely wants the job. The concern is whether JK will not want to feel He was pressured into a decision He was not making on his own (yep ego) and the other is how strong the Chancellor get's involved for a different type of candidate.BearlyCareAnymore said:You are making an assumption that he really wants this job. He may. I don't know. But first of all, that is a lot of hearsay and then people grasping and acting like it is absolutely true because a guy knows a guy who knows a guy who said it was. Second of all, it may be based on the past. Third of all, even if Pasternak directly told some people that it is his dream job he has every reason to tell any employer they are his dream job. Cal was supposedly Sonny Dykes dream job and that was clearly not accurate. You know he wants the job when he says yes.Econ141 said:BearlyCareAnymore said:The other problem for the pessimist is that it is hard not to think that any coach who would take this job is too crazy, stupid, unwanted, or just trying to get one payday to ever succeed because they either are too stupid to know they are doomed to fail or don't care that they are doomed to fail. Fox was in the unwanted and just trying to get one more payday categories.UrsineMaximus said:
With Knownuttin at the helm, it is impossible for me to believe ~ much less think ~ that he will make a VERY good choice for Cal.
Ergo, I have nothing vested in what happens with MBB in the near term (next month).
Except for Joe Pasternak who apparently really wants this job lol. I don't get it - seems like any other school right now would be a better career move for him.
Maybe JK needs more pressure, not less, like his azz will be fired for cause if he doesn't get everything 100% right.4thGenCal said:
... The concern is whether JK will not want to feel He was pressured into a decision He was not making on his own (yep ego) and the other is how strong the Chancellor get's involved for a different type of candidate.
Also isn't this hire a bit below the level where the Chancellor should be deeply involved? I'd expect a Chancellor to be more concerned with academic department chairs and the like but I could be wrong.
There's a whole lot between "I'm keeping my hands off completely" and "I'm telling you who to hire". I'm sure it will (and always has been) somewhere in between.stu said:Maybe JK needs more pressure, not less, like his azz will be fired for cause if he doesn't get everything 100% right.4thGenCal said:
... The concern is whether JK will not want to feel He was pressured into a decision He was not making on his own (yep ego) and the other is how strong the Chancellor get's involved for a different type of candidate.
Also isn't this hire a bit below the level where the Chancellor should be deeply involved? I'd expect a Chancellor to be more concerned with academic department chairs and the like but I could be wrong.
I'm with you on the pressure bit.
muy bueno amigo, the only person in berkeley that is worthy of a negative nickname is the con artistoskidunker said:
I am all for Pasternak. Not sure if Knowlton is. We can only hope.
2 more names:
Damon Stoudamire - Current assistant for the Celtics, his name came up because apparently he's a candidate for Georgia Tech. Did well at UOP and won WCC coach of the year in 2020.
Jeff Van Gundy - Fox's good buddy. Has attended practices and spoke to team. Grew up in Martinez, I believe his dad taught here? Surprised he's only 61. It's a longshot but he's a great coach.
Damon Stoudamire - Current assistant for the Celtics, his name came up because apparently he's a candidate for Georgia Tech. Did well at UOP and won WCC coach of the year in 2020.
Jeff Van Gundy - Fox's good buddy. Has attended practices and spoke to team. Grew up in Martinez, I believe his dad taught here? Surprised he's only 61. It's a longshot but he's a great coach.
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