Tony Gonzalez Sweet Sixteen

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lots of memories from the good years

gotta start making more memories again



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Was this the game where he was unstoppable? If I remember correctly, Ed Grey was injured, but I could be wrong.
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Every passing year Tony becomes a better college basketball player with real NBA potential.


Career:
G 82; PTS 6.4; TRB 4.3; AST 0.5
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bearister said:

Every passing year Tony becomes a better college basketball player with real NBA potential.


Career:
G 82; PTS 6.4; TRB 4.3; AST 0.5


He wasn't even a starter until the post season with Gray down, but his legend was made (in the game he posted) leading all scorers with 23 (9 of 13) in our NCAA win over Big East Champ Villanova (with 5 "NBA" players):
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/1997-03-15-california.html
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Gonzalez's stats reflect getting in basketball shape on the court rather than before the season. He played much better at the end of the season.
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He was effective because he was athletic and had a football player's lack of respect for basketball players (who act like they are mortally wounded from contact that a football player gets on every play for a full game).

He was a great asset to our team…..but the retrospective view of his skills is greatly overblown by him and others, especially the pro potential part. His height was exaggerated, and he had no handle or shot. He was a simply a grown man abusing kids in the college paint. He would have been eating basketballs trying those shots in the NBA.
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bearister said:

He was effective because he was athletic and had a football player's lack of respect for basketball players (who act like they are morally wounded from contact that a football player gets on every play for a full game).

He was a great asset to our team…..but the retrospective view of his skills is greatly overblown by him and others, especially the pro potential part. His height was exaggerated, and he had no handle or shot. He was a simply a grown man abusing kids in the college paint. He would have been eating basketballs trying those shots in the NBA.

He was significantly better that third season (first two seasons dragged his career stats down). Obviously not an NBA prospect though. Who was it that said he was?
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Big C said:

bearister said:

He was effective because he was athletic and had a football player's lack of respect for basketball players (who act like they are morally wounded from contact that a football player gets on every play for a full game).

He was a great asset to our team…..but the retrospective view of his skills is greatly overblown by him and others, especially the pro potential part. His height was exaggerated, and he had no handle or shot. He was a simply a grown man abusing kids in the college paint. He would have been eating basketballs trying those shots in the NBA.

He was significantly better that third season (first two seasons dragged his career stats down). Obviously not an NBA prospect though. Who was it that said he was?


….none other than Tony "Commitment Ceremony" Gonzalez himself (and Pat Riley):

Hoop dreams: Gonzalez believes he could have played in NBA


https://www.cantonrep.com/story/news/local/canton/2019/07/29/hoop-dreams-gonzalez-believes-he/4531909007/
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My recollection is that one year he played in the Big Game at Furd in the afternoon, and in a basketball game that night at Haas, maybe against Missouri?
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Jeff82 said:

My recollection is that one year he played in the Big Game at Furd in the afternoon, and in a basketball game that night at Haas, maybe against Missouri?


The only other Cal player I remember playing hoop and football is Wes Howell. He was pretty darn good at both. I met him in Hollywood in 1990 when I was picking up a new car from my brother in law's car dealership. Wes worked there at the time. He was/is an extremely nice person.
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bearister said:

Jeff82 said:

My recollection is that one year he played in the Big Game at Furd in the afternoon, and in a basketball game that night at Haas, maybe against Missouri?


The only other Cal player I remember playing hoop and football is Wes Howell. He was pretty darn good at both. I met him in Hollywood in 1990 when I was picking up a new car from my brother in law's car dealership. Wes worked there at the time. He was/is an extremely nice person.

The fun thing about Howell, he came to Cal to play basketball, then came out for football after he used up his hoops eligibility... and, over the course of one season, probably became better on the gridiron than he had been on the hardwood! Certainly more storied, what with his TD catch in the '82 Big Game, but he was also drafted, IIRC, and even played a bit in the NFL (I wanna say with the NY Jets).

Of course, the great Joe Kapp played football and basketball for the Golden Bears, but way before the time of young guys such as bearister and me.
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Big C said:

bearister said:

Jeff82 said:

My recollection is that one year he played in the Big Game at Furd in the afternoon, and in a basketball game that night at Haas, maybe against Missouri?


The only other Cal player I remember playing hoop and football is Wes Howell. He was pretty darn good at both. I met him in Hollywood in 1990 when I was picking up a new car from my brother in law's car dealership. Wes worked there at the time. He was/is an extremely nice person.

The fun thing about Howell, he came to Cal to play basketball, then came out for football after he used up his hoops eligibility... and, over the course of one season, probably became better on the gridiron than he had been on the hardwood! Certainly more storied, what with his TD catch in the '82 Big Game, but he was also drafted, IIRC, and even played a bit in the NFL (I wanna say with the NY Jets).

Of course, the great Joe Kapp played football and basketball for the Golden Bears, but way before the time of young guys such as bearister and me.


I've always thought there should be more TEs and WRs from the basketball team and vice-versa (basketball walk-ons from the football team). A 6'7" athlete with a great vertical and great hands but no outside shot might have dominated hoops in high school (and they might not have even had a football team) but their pro prospects in basketball will be limited. They could be devastating as a WR or TE. For example, Gonzalez was a borderline starter, with below average athleticism in basketball, but was an athletic freak and Hall of Fame TE in football. Howell was another example of that.
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calumnus said:

Big C said:

bearister said:

Jeff82 said:

My recollection is that one year he played in the Big Game at Furd in the afternoon, and in a basketball game that night at Haas, maybe against Missouri?


The only other Cal player I remember playing hoop and football is Wes Howell. He was pretty darn good at both. I met him in Hollywood in 1990 when I was picking up a new car from my brother in law's car dealership. Wes worked there at the time. He was/is an extremely nice person.

The fun thing about Howell, he came to Cal to play basketball, then came out for football after he used up his hoops eligibility... and, over the course of one season, probably became better on the gridiron than he had been on the hardwood! Certainly more storied, what with his TD catch in the '82 Big Game, but he was also drafted, IIRC, and even played a bit in the NFL (I wanna say with the NY Jets).

Of course, the great Joe Kapp played football and basketball for the Golden Bears, but way before the time of young guys such as bearister and me.


I've always thought there should be more TEs and WRs from the basketball team and vice-versa (basketball walk-ons from the football team). A 6'7" athlete with a great vertical and great hands but no outside shot might have dominated hoops in high school (and they might not have even had a football team) but their pro prospects in basketball will be limited. They could be devastating as a WR or TE. For example, Gonzalez was a borderline starter, with below average athleticism in basketball, but was an athletic freak and Hall of Fame TE in football. Howell was another example of that.

I totally get anybody not wanting to play football nowadays, but Matt Bradley sure looks like he could excel at 2-3 different positions.
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The problem is that most basketball players, as gifted as they are athletically, are p@ussies, as evidenced by the fact they act like it is the end of the world when they take hard contact on the court.*

*With the exception of Matt Bradley when he got his face ground into the court yesterday and showed no reaction…. like a linebacker.
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bearister said:

The problem is that most basketball players, as gifted as they are athletically, are p@ussies, as evidenced by the fact they act like it is the end of the world when they take hard contact on the court.*

*With the exception of Matt Bradley when he got his face ground into the court yesterday and showed no reaction…. like a linebacker.


Other than getting tackled, WRs are better protected by refs than a basketball player going for a rebound or going in for a layup.

Okafor seems pretty tough. They didn't have American football in Ireland.
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stu said:

Gonzalez's stats reflect getting in basketball shape on the court rather than before the season. He played much better at the end of the season.

Correct. Plus, that team had an excellent and very deep front court, so TG shared a lot of PT.
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bearister said:

The problem is that most basketball players, as gifted as they are athletically, are p@ussies, as evidenced by the fact they act like it is the end of the world when they take hard contact on the court.*

*With the exception of Matt Bradley when he got his face ground into the court yesterday and showed no reaction…. like a linebacker.

Excellent exception. That looked painful. I thought he might lose teeth.
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