Who was our last BB coach who made you happy?

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For me it was Ben Braun. I liked the players, I liked the buzz around games and the fans, I liked the results, and I liked the coach.

I'm sure many will say Montgomery. Whether it was the timing of when he was here relative to where the game was at the time it just felt like a waning uphill battle with Mike.

Everything after that point has been hard to watch no matter how many 5-stars were on the team. Clearly recruiting doesn't solve all problems alone. Coaching matters.

If I were to blame the dive of Cal basketball on anything it has to be the administration. It is a common factor across several sports.
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Braun. Until he seemed to lose interest.
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Thats a great question. I've found both joy and disappointment in Campy, Bozeman, Braun, Monty and Martin. Kuchen Jones and Fox were all disappointment and very little joy.
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I had a drug and alcohol problem during all of Wyking Jones' seasons so I am unsure why I felt happy during all the games, even the consecutive -16 run.
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Martin's teams showed little evidence of great coaching but more often than not did make me happy.
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I was happy with Cuonzo, loved the way he represented and sold Cal, loved the players on that team and loved going undefeated at Haas with big crowds and our highest seed in school history. Did not like the way he was treated. Love having a prominent Cal alumnus in the NBA.
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calumnus said:

I was happy with Cuonzo, loved the way he represented and sold Cal, loved the players on that team and loved going undefeated at Haas with big crowds and our highest seed in school history. Did not like the way he was treated. Love having a prominent Cal alumnus in the NBA.
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Absolutely agree. I think Cuonzo gets way too much flak, IMO.

Was he a perfect HC? No.

But he brought a.level of hype and excitement to our program that truly brought buzz back in Haas.

It's like y'all are forgetting how much excitement that Jaylen/Rabb recruiting class brought to Berkeley, Haas was consistently packed and rocking.

I know that season ended poorly, but that team was nationally relevant. We were a 4 seed with two top 10 recruits! Many analysts had us as a dark horse final 4 contender that year. Alas, some bad injury luck and off-the-court distractions cost us but that doesn't diminish how energized our fanbase was that season.
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ManBearLion123 said:

Absolutely agree. I think Cuonzo gets way too much flak, IMO.

Was he a perfect HC? No.

But he brought a.level of hype and excitement to our program that truly brought buzz back in Haas.

It's like y'all are forgetting how much excitement that Jaylen/Rabb recruiting class brought to Berkeley, Haas was consistently packed and rocking.

I know that season ended poorly, but that team was nationally relevant. We were a 4 seed with two top 10 recruits! Many analysts had us as a dark horse final 4 contender that year. Alas, some bad injury luck and off-the-court distractions cost us but that doesn't diminish how energized our fanbase was that season.


I hadn't been that excited going into a season since the Kidd days. I also don't understand why Martin gets such a bad rap around here
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The Swanigan debacle was the only thing keeping the Cuonzo team from elite status and golden bear lore. It's such a shame how it ended up, but I absolutely loved how cuonzo came in here and immediately went after the best of the best. Why not? Why not have "let's create a dream team here" be your approach? Best university? Best team ever? Immediate success? I hope Madsen has the same approach.
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ducky23 said:

ManBearLion123 said:

Absolutely agree. I think Cuonzo gets way too much flak, IMO.

Was he a perfect HC? No.

But he brought a.level of hype and excitement to our program that truly brought buzz back in Haas.

It's like y'all are forgetting how much excitement that Jaylen/Rabb recruiting class brought to Berkeley, Haas was consistently packed and rocking.

I know that season ended poorly, but that team was nationally relevant. We were a 4 seed with two top 10 recruits! Many analysts had us as a dark horse final 4 contender that year. Alas, some bad injury luck and off-the-court distractions cost us but that doesn't diminish how energized our fanbase was that season.


I hadn't been that excited going into a season since the Kidd days. I also don't understand why Martin gets such a bad rap around here
I, too, was excited by Martin's early recruiting success.IMO, the flak stems from the fact that his coaching did not match his recruiting. It's one thing to get 'em in, another to maximize develop them. Also, in retrospect, the perception seems to have been that he never quit looking for his next job. That may be true of most coaches, almost certainly of most candidates for a job at Cal, but the way he scooted out of Berkeley was a jolt nonetheless.
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Cuonzo Martin (era):

Joy: I thought he was good man and rep'd Cal well. The sense of larger community engagement was probably the best since Kidd era. I liked his some of his recruiting and 'why not Cal' attitude. His teams played with joy and the Haas was rocking (which is probably the most important thing for me).

Disappointments: Biggest issue was the lack of offensive/defensive balance. This seemed fixable, but also seemed like he was stubborn about it. Second issue was recruiting inconsistency. Rabb & Brown were so exciting. Chauca - not so much. Lastly, the final NIT game left such a bad taste in my mouth - that type of behavior should never occur.
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"… but the way he scooted out of Berkeley was a jolt nonetheless."

….but at least the 950 of us that were in attendance will always have the Cal State Bakersfield NIT game, and no one can take that memory away from us.
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BeachedBear said:

Cuonzo Martin (era):

Joy: I thought he was good man and rep'd Cal well. The sense of larger community engagement was probably the best since Kidd era. I liked his some of his recruiting and 'why not Cal' attitude. His teams played with joy and the Haas was rocking (which is probably the most important thing for me).

Disappointments: Biggest issue was the lack of offensive/defensive balance. This seemed fixable, but also seemed like he was stubborn about it. Second issue was recruiting inconsistency. Rabb & Brown were so exciting. Chauca - not so much. Lastly, the final NIT game left such a bad taste in my mouth - that type of behavior should never occur.
I thought Martin was a great catch when we hired him. He had just taken a power five school to the sweet sixteen and had also been successful at a mid-major. The Tennessee fans never gave him a fair chance, and I thought he was leaving Tennessee for the right reasons. Sadly, Martin got an offer Cal could not possibly have matched, but I did not blame him for taking it (coaching is a business). That moment could have been a blessing in disguise for Cal given the bad investment he turned out to be for Missouri. Instead, Cal started hiring coaches with objectively weak qualifications, and it seems we are about to repeat that mistake for the third time.
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Braun. He seemed to hit the sweet spot of where the program wanted to be. Wasn't as dirty as Boseman but put competitive teams together consistently. He had the misfortune of always being one player short on either landing a recruit or developing one. Yet he got to NIT and even NCAA a few times. I knew looking above Cal in the standings that the programs there were dirty. He wasn't quite the coaching wiz that MM was but at least recruited better.
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BeachedBear said:

Cuonzo Martin (era):

Joy: I thought he was good man and rep'd Cal well. The sense of larger community engagement was probably the best since Kidd era. I liked his some of his recruiting and 'why not Cal' attitude. His teams played with joy and the Haas was rocking (which is probably the most important thing for me).

Disappointments: Biggest issue was the lack of offensive/defensive balance. This seemed fixable, but also seemed like he was stubborn about it. Second issue was recruiting inconsistency. Rabb & Brown were so exciting. Chauca - not so much. Lastly, the final NIT game left such a bad taste in my mouth - that type of behavior should never occur.
I realize Martin had success and I certainly watched/attended games during his time at Cal. However, not sure I truly enjoyed it. The offense was ugly and player development seemed non-existent. Having played the 4/5 position, the way Rabb was used was criminal - never put him in position to succeed and it drove me nuts! Felt so bad for that kid and it cost him his chance in the NBA. Then the erratic recruiting approach - home run with Rabb and Brown, but generally strike outs everywhere else. The loss to Hawaii was inexcusable even with all the off-court distractions and then the way he bolted (contrast that with Madsen this week), I wasn't sad to see him go.

I went to school during the Kidd years, so that was clearly the most fun. Second place would be the Montgomery years - his teams were fun to watch. They played fundamentally sound, smart basketball, had great offensive sets, and in-game/halftime adjustments were usually spot on. He did have the occasional stinkers, but generally enjoyable to watch.

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I'd have to say mine would be Pete Newell. He made me the happiest, because he was all I could ever have hoped for in a coach. He brought fine players to Cal, many of whom were good, but not dominant, and with his coaching he made them all into teams that incorporated individual strengths and covered up individual weaknesses, often to defeat superior opponents and coaches, resulting in many championships in just 6 years at Cal.

All that was accomplished by a man who whose hiring by Cal had been highly criticized in the press, for having had a mediocre 45-42 record at Michigan State, despite having previously won a National Championship at USF. Newell inherited several very good players from coach Nibs Price, including previous All-American Bob McKeen. His first recruiting class included Larry Friend, who would be named an All-American 3 years later, and it also included Earl Robinson (who Newell stole from John Wooden and UCLA). Newell lobbied hard and was successful in getting the first black players admitted to Cal. Just 4 of them. But at least the door had been opened.

Newell's first season was a flop, and was hard to explain, as the team won a lot of games in the pre-conference season, but was able to win only one game in the conference. The boo-birds came out in force as Cal fans and press alike were quick to blame Newell for not meeting expectations. Then came a slow and steady rebuild of the program, which resulted in four PCC titles, two Elite 8s, two Final Fours, a national runner-up, and an NCAA Championship.

I was happy for all six years of Newell. There were some losses, but Cal always played well, and played hard. Afterward, he continued to make me happy, winning Olympic Gold for the USA in 1960, where he got to coach many of the players he used to coach his teams on how to defend against them. I was happy to see him devote his life after coaching in college, to working to develop the skills of young players and pros alike in his camps for big men and big women.

I've had great moments of happiness, exhilaration mostly, with several other Cal coaches who have given us great teams or great wins, or players exciting to watch, and there have been many of these moments. Jim Padgett's great recruiting, Campy beating UCLA for the first time in 50 years, signing Jason Kidd, best PG ever. Bozeman's recruits, and Ben Braun was always recruiting interesting players. For me, the difference between Newell and several other Cal coaches in terms of making me happy would be the difference of having a girlfriend who brings excitement and maybe happiness for a while, or having a loving wife for many years.

As for the last time I was happy about Cal basketball was when Cal won the PAC12 with Monty. He was going along pretty good there for a while, until he wrecked it for me with the shove.


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Pete Newell LOL

his replacement (RH) started a series of OK to not OK coaches
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Can't really argue with any of the reasons expressed in this thread. I agree with all the whys and the why nots for each and every coach mentioned.

For me Monty was a great coach and got more out of less than any coach I have seen at Cal. I just felt, however, he kind of mailed it in on the recruiting front so much that he was on a downside trajectory over his time at Cal. That bugged me.

Martin was a shocking surprise with the immediate talent he brought in. That success was balanced out with a painful style of basketball to watch. His rather quick exit didn't leave a great lasting taste in my mouth.

Everything since has been a complete **** show that almost anything better is going to look great by comparison.

Braun was the sweet spot for me. He was not stellar in anything but proficient in most things. I liked watching his teams. There were great characters on his teams. He was fan friendly and open to the media. I'd also say that players under Braun seemed to get better as they progressed. Lots of four year players who were more than serviceable by their senior years.

I'm hopeful for the future.

Go Bears.
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Braun, not only did were his teams consistently competitive but he got Cal & NorCal, and became a local foodie.
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The question was not "Who is your favorite Cal coach?" But "Who was the last Cal coach that made you happy?"

Now there are different ways to interpret that:
1 Happy when hired?
2. Happy at any point in time?
3. Happy with overall?
4. Completely happy with, had zero issues with?

I think #4 is an impossible standard except maybe SF's memories of Newell. He is, at least in legend, a nearly perfect coach. Let stress get to him too much, retired far too soon, but a legend.

But for me, the LAST coach that satisfies 1.2 and 3 is Martin.

I think some people were happy with Fox year one. Some people were happy with Wyking keeping the team together, finally figuring out who should be starting and winning the last three.

If the standard is #3, some people have to go back to Montgomery.
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CALiforniALUM said:

Can't really argue with any of the reasons expressed in this thread. I agree with all the whys and the why nots for each and every coach mentioned.

For me Monty was a great coach and got more out of less than any coach I have seen at Cal. I just felt, however, he kind of mailed it in on the recruiting front so much that he was on a downside trajectory over his time at Cal. That bugged me.

Martin was a shocking surprise with the immediate talent he brought in. That success was balanced out with a painful style of basketball to watch. His rather quick exit didn't leave a great lasting taste in my mouth.

Everything since has been a complete **** show that almost anything better is going to look great by comparison.

Braun was the sweet spot for me. He was not stellar in anything but proficient in most things. I liked watching his teams. There were great characters on his teams. He was fan friendly and open to the media. I'd also say that players under Braun seemed to get better as they progressed. Lots of four year players who were more than serviceable by their senior years.

I'm hopeful for the future.

Go Bears.
I would disagree about Montgomery mailing it in with his recruiting and on a downward trajectory over his time at Cal. His last two recruiting classes brought in some of his very best players: Tyrone Wallace, Jordan Mathews, Jabari Bird, Kam Rooks, and Sam Singer. Together with David Kravish, that was the group he passed on to Cuonzo Martin. Martin's best team was the 2016 team, after Kravish had graduated. I would argue that Wallace was the best player on that 2016 team, the player who Martin said was the one player he could not afford to lose, "because he could make a play from anywhere on the court." Bird and Mathews were the only good three point shooters on that team. So Cal lost to an inferior-rated team in the NCAA because of injuries to two of Montgomery's recruits. Two of his other recruits, Mathews and Singer both played well, but the injuries to the two Montgomery recruits is what killed that Cuonzo team's chances in the NCAA.
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I was certainly happy with Monty. Winning the conference for the first time in forever has to count for something (yes, the Pac was weak that year but so what?). He consistently had us playing in the postseason.

During Cuonzo's one big season I was happy. Sure, the offense wasn't as good as it should have been, but he did coach good defense and got us some great wins at home. The tournament flameout wasn't really his fault. The mediocre effort the next season kind of was; his tenure was a mixed bag.
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HKBear97! said:

BeachedBear said:

Cuonzo Martin (era):

Joy: I thought he was good man and rep'd Cal well. The sense of larger community engagement was probably the best since Kidd era. I liked his some of his recruiting and 'why not Cal' attitude. His teams played with joy and the Haas was rocking (which is probably the most important thing for me).

Disappointments: Biggest issue was the lack of offensive/defensive balance. This seemed fixable, but also seemed like he was stubborn about it. Second issue was recruiting inconsistency. Rabb & Brown were so exciting. Chauca - not so much. Lastly, the final NIT game left such a bad taste in my mouth - that type of behavior should never occur.
I realize Martin had success and I certainly watched/attended games during his time at Cal. However, not sure I truly enjoyed it. The offense was ugly and player development seemed non-existent. Having played the 4/5 position, the way Rabb was used was criminal - never put him in position to succeed and it drove me nuts! Felt so bad for that kid and it cost him his chance in the NBA. Then the erratic recruiting approach - home run with Rabb and Brown, but generally strike outs everywhere else. The loss to Hawaii was inexcusable even with all the off-court distractions and then the way he bolted (contrast that with Madsen this week), I wasn't sad to see him go.

I went to school during the Kidd years, so that was clearly the most fun. Second place would be the Montgomery years - his teams were fun to watch. They played fundamentally sound, smart basketball, had great offensive sets, and in-game/halftime adjustments were usually spot on. He did have the occasional stinkers, but generally enjoyable to watch.




The strikeouts I believe, outside of Swanson, were caused by Martin recruiting players that the Cal administration would not admit.
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oski003 said:

HKBear97! said:

BeachedBear said:

Cuonzo Martin (era):

Joy: I thought he was good man and rep'd Cal well. The sense of larger community engagement was probably the best since Kidd era. I liked his some of his recruiting and 'why not Cal' attitude. His teams played with joy and the Haas was rocking (which is probably the most important thing for me).

Disappointments: Biggest issue was the lack of offensive/defensive balance. This seemed fixable, but also seemed like he was stubborn about it. Second issue was recruiting inconsistency. Rabb & Brown were so exciting. Chauca - not so much. Lastly, the final NIT game left such a bad taste in my mouth - that type of behavior should never occur.
I realize Martin had success and I certainly watched/attended games during his time at Cal. However, not sure I truly enjoyed it. The offense was ugly and player development seemed non-existent. Having played the 4/5 position, the way Rabb was used was criminal - never put him in position to succeed and it drove me nuts! Felt so bad for that kid and it cost him his chance in the NBA. Then the erratic recruiting approach - home run with Rabb and Brown, but generally strike outs everywhere else. The loss to Hawaii was inexcusable even with all the off-court distractions and then the way he bolted (contrast that with Madsen this week), I wasn't sad to see him go.

I went to school during the Kidd years, so that was clearly the most fun. Second place would be the Montgomery years - his teams were fun to watch. They played fundamentally sound, smart basketball, had great offensive sets, and in-game/halftime adjustments were usually spot on. He did have the occasional stinkers, but generally enjoyable to watch.




The strikeouts I believe, outside of Swanson, were caused by Martin recruiting players that the Cal administration would not admit.
Not really. The most glaring was when he passed on incoming Ahmaad Rorie for 2 other higher-rated pg's he thought he could get, only to end up swinging and missing on both and ending up with Brandon Chauca.
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Civil Bear said:

oski003 said:

HKBear97! said:

BeachedBear said:

Cuonzo Martin (era):

Joy: I thought he was good man and rep'd Cal well. The sense of larger community engagement was probably the best since Kidd era. I liked his some of his recruiting and 'why not Cal' attitude. His teams played with joy and the Haas was rocking (which is probably the most important thing for me).

Disappointments: Biggest issue was the lack of offensive/defensive balance. This seemed fixable, but also seemed like he was stubborn about it. Second issue was recruiting inconsistency. Rabb & Brown were so exciting. Chauca - not so much. Lastly, the final NIT game left such a bad taste in my mouth - that type of behavior should never occur.
I realize Martin had success and I certainly watched/attended games during his time at Cal. However, not sure I truly enjoyed it. The offense was ugly and player development seemed non-existent. Having played the 4/5 position, the way Rabb was used was criminal - never put him in position to succeed and it drove me nuts! Felt so bad for that kid and it cost him his chance in the NBA. Then the erratic recruiting approach - home run with Rabb and Brown, but generally strike outs everywhere else. The loss to Hawaii was inexcusable even with all the off-court distractions and then the way he bolted (contrast that with Madsen this week), I wasn't sad to see him go.

I went to school during the Kidd years, so that was clearly the most fun. Second place would be the Montgomery years - his teams were fun to watch. They played fundamentally sound, smart basketball, had great offensive sets, and in-game/halftime adjustments were usually spot on. He did have the occasional stinkers, but generally enjoyable to watch.




The strikeouts I believe, outside of Swanson, were caused by Martin recruiting players that the Cal administration would not admit.
Not really. The most glaring was when he passed on incoming Ahmaad Rorie for 2 other higher-rated pg's he thought he could get, only to end up swinging and missing on both and ending up with Brandon Chauca.


Yes, he should have settled for the player that Cal would admit. Rorie had good grades, spent one year at Oregon, and then transferred to Montana to be coached by DeCuire.
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oski003 said:

Civil Bear said:

oski003 said:

HKBear97! said:

BeachedBear said:

Cuonzo Martin (era):

Joy: I thought he was good man and rep'd Cal well. The sense of larger community engagement was probably the best since Kidd era. I liked his some of his recruiting and 'why not Cal' attitude. His teams played with joy and the Haas was rocking (which is probably the most important thing for me).

Disappointments: Biggest issue was the lack of offensive/defensive balance. This seemed fixable, but also seemed like he was stubborn about it. Second issue was recruiting inconsistency. Rabb & Brown were so exciting. Chauca - not so much. Lastly, the final NIT game left such a bad taste in my mouth - that type of behavior should never occur.
I realize Martin had success and I certainly watched/attended games during his time at Cal. However, not sure I truly enjoyed it. The offense was ugly and player development seemed non-existent. Having played the 4/5 position, the way Rabb was used was criminal - never put him in position to succeed and it drove me nuts! Felt so bad for that kid and it cost him his chance in the NBA. Then the erratic recruiting approach - home run with Rabb and Brown, but generally strike outs everywhere else. The loss to Hawaii was inexcusable even with all the off-court distractions and then the way he bolted (contrast that with Madsen this week), I wasn't sad to see him go.

I went to school during the Kidd years, so that was clearly the most fun. Second place would be the Montgomery years - his teams were fun to watch. They played fundamentally sound, smart basketball, had great offensive sets, and in-game/halftime adjustments were usually spot on. He did have the occasional stinkers, but generally enjoyable to watch.




The strikeouts I believe, outside of Swanson, were caused by Martin recruiting players that the Cal administration would not admit.
Not really. The most glaring was when he passed on incoming Ahmaad Rorie for 2 other higher-rated pg's he thought he could get, only to end up swinging and missing on both and ending up with Brandon Chauca.


Yes, he should have settled for the player that Cal would admit. Rorie had good grades, spent one year at Oregon, and then transferred to Montana to be coached by DeCuire.
IIRC, the issue was the other two guards just decided to commit elsewhere.
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Civil Bear said:

oski003 said:

Civil Bear said:

oski003 said:

HKBear97! said:

BeachedBear said:

Cuonzo Martin (era):

Joy: I thought he was good man and rep'd Cal well. The sense of larger community engagement was probably the best since Kidd era. I liked his some of his recruiting and 'why not Cal' attitude. His teams played with joy and the Haas was rocking (which is probably the most important thing for me).

Disappointments: Biggest issue was the lack of offensive/defensive balance. This seemed fixable, but also seemed like he was stubborn about it. Second issue was recruiting inconsistency. Rabb & Brown were so exciting. Chauca - not so much. Lastly, the final NIT game left such a bad taste in my mouth - that type of behavior should never occur.
I realize Martin had success and I certainly watched/attended games during his time at Cal. However, not sure I truly enjoyed it. The offense was ugly and player development seemed non-existent. Having played the 4/5 position, the way Rabb was used was criminal - never put him in position to succeed and it drove me nuts! Felt so bad for that kid and it cost him his chance in the NBA. Then the erratic recruiting approach - home run with Rabb and Brown, but generally strike outs everywhere else. The loss to Hawaii was inexcusable even with all the off-court distractions and then the way he bolted (contrast that with Madsen this week), I wasn't sad to see him go.

I went to school during the Kidd years, so that was clearly the most fun. Second place would be the Montgomery years - his teams were fun to watch. They played fundamentally sound, smart basketball, had great offensive sets, and in-game/halftime adjustments were usually spot on. He did have the occasional stinkers, but generally enjoyable to watch.




The strikeouts I believe, outside of Swanson, were caused by Martin recruiting players that the Cal administration would not admit.
Not really. The most glaring was when he passed on incoming Ahmaad Rorie for 2 other higher-rated pg's he thought he could get, only to end up swinging and missing on both and ending up with Brandon Chauca.


Yes, he should have settled for the player that Cal would admit. Rorie had good grades, spent one year at Oregon, and then transferred to Montana to be coached by DeCuire.
IIRC, the issue was the other two guards just decided to commit elsewhere.


Cuonzo was hired in April. Rorie requested release in May. Chauca was signed on June 2. The only other commit in that first class was Kingsley Okoroh. Only one other point guard was offered. Grades appear irrelevant to this one recruiting battle that occurred a month after Cuonzo was hired.
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oski003 said:

Civil Bear said:

oski003 said:

Civil Bear said:

oski003 said:

HKBear97! said:

BeachedBear said:

Cuonzo Martin (era):

Joy: I thought he was good man and rep'd Cal well. The sense of larger community engagement was probably the best since Kidd era. I liked his some of his recruiting and 'why not Cal' attitude. His teams played with joy and the Haas was rocking (which is probably the most important thing for me).

Disappointments: Biggest issue was the lack of offensive/defensive balance. This seemed fixable, but also seemed like he was stubborn about it. Second issue was recruiting inconsistency. Rabb & Brown were so exciting. Chauca - not so much. Lastly, the final NIT game left such a bad taste in my mouth - that type of behavior should never occur.
I realize Martin had success and I certainly watched/attended games during his time at Cal. However, not sure I truly enjoyed it. The offense was ugly and player development seemed non-existent. Having played the 4/5 position, the way Rabb was used was criminal - never put him in position to succeed and it drove me nuts! Felt so bad for that kid and it cost him his chance in the NBA. Then the erratic recruiting approach - home run with Rabb and Brown, but generally strike outs everywhere else. The loss to Hawaii was inexcusable even with all the off-court distractions and then the way he bolted (contrast that with Madsen this week), I wasn't sad to see him go.

I went to school during the Kidd years, so that was clearly the most fun. Second place would be the Montgomery years - his teams were fun to watch. They played fundamentally sound, smart basketball, had great offensive sets, and in-game/halftime adjustments were usually spot on. He did have the occasional stinkers, but generally enjoyable to watch.




The strikeouts I believe, outside of Swanson, were caused by Martin recruiting players that the Cal administration would not admit.
Not really. The most glaring was when he passed on incoming Ahmaad Rorie for 2 other higher-rated pg's he thought he could get, only to end up swinging and missing on both and ending up with Brandon Chauca.


Yes, he should have settled for the player that Cal would admit. Rorie had good grades, spent one year at Oregon, and then transferred to Montana to be coached by DeCuire.
IIRC, the issue was the other two guards just decided to commit elsewhere.


Cuonzo was hired in April. Rorie requested release in May. Chauca was signed on June 2. The only other commit in that first class was Kingsley Okoroh. Only one other point guard was offered. Grades appear irrelevant to this one recruiting battle that occurred a month after Cuonzo was hired.


Yeah, for a first class with only one month to go, Okoroh was a good 7' project with grades for Cal unlike his other Tennessee recruits. Chauca was a last minute summer add to back up Wallace at PG. I do think a JC PG or grad transfer would have been better, but there is not much to criticize there.

His next class was Rabb and Brown, two McDonald's All-Americans, probably the recruiting class with the highest average star rating in the entire country. If people were not "happy" with Cuonzo at that point in time they are unhappy about something else entirely.
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oski003 said:

Civil Bear said:

oski003 said:

Civil Bear said:

oski003 said:

HKBear97! said:

BeachedBear said:

Cuonzo Martin (era):

Joy: I thought he was good man and rep'd Cal well. The sense of larger community engagement was probably the best since Kidd era. I liked his some of his recruiting and 'why not Cal' attitude. His teams played with joy and the Haas was rocking (which is probably the most important thing for me).

Disappointments: Biggest issue was the lack of offensive/defensive balance. This seemed fixable, but also seemed like he was stubborn about it. Second issue was recruiting inconsistency. Rabb & Brown were so exciting. Chauca - not so much. Lastly, the final NIT game left such a bad taste in my mouth - that type of behavior should never occur.
I realize Martin had success and I certainly watched/attended games during his time at Cal. However, not sure I truly enjoyed it. The offense was ugly and player development seemed non-existent. Having played the 4/5 position, the way Rabb was used was criminal - never put him in position to succeed and it drove me nuts! Felt so bad for that kid and it cost him his chance in the NBA. Then the erratic recruiting approach - home run with Rabb and Brown, but generally strike outs everywhere else. The loss to Hawaii was inexcusable even with all the off-court distractions and then the way he bolted (contrast that with Madsen this week), I wasn't sad to see him go.

I went to school during the Kidd years, so that was clearly the most fun. Second place would be the Montgomery years - his teams were fun to watch. They played fundamentally sound, smart basketball, had great offensive sets, and in-game/halftime adjustments were usually spot on. He did have the occasional stinkers, but generally enjoyable to watch.




The strikeouts I believe, outside of Swanson, were caused by Martin recruiting players that the Cal administration would not admit.
Not really. The most glaring was when he passed on incoming Ahmaad Rorie for 2 other higher-rated pg's he thought he could get, only to end up swinging and missing on both and ending up with Brandon Chauca.


Yes, he should have settled for the player that Cal would admit. Rorie had good grades, spent one year at Oregon, and then transferred to Montana to be coached by DeCuire.
IIRC, the issue was the other two guards just decided to commit elsewhere.


Cuonzo was hired in April. Rorie requested release in May. Chauca was signed on June 2. The only other commit in that first class was Kingsley Okoroh. Only one other point guard was offered. Grades appear irrelevant to this one recruiting battle that occurred a month after Cuonzo was hired.

I believe he missed on a second before having to take the flyer on Chauca.
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Chauca was a misunderstood genius, a Jazz Sage, so to speak.

Wyatt: "You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Chauca: "Yeah, well, I'm just getting my thing together."


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I liked Monty as our MBB Coach.

Go Bears!
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calbear80 said:

I liked Monty as our MBB Coach.

Go Bears!


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