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ducky23 said:

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The brown/rabb team was a 4 seed and had legit final 4 aspirations.

I don't think I've seen a single poster saying we're going to come close to making the tourney next year. The majority of us would be ecstatic just to make the NIT.

I appreciate you trying to temper expectations, but if there's one thing us cal fans do well is learning to live with disappointment.

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This. And they might have been a bit higher if Tye hadn't missed that month with his first hand injury.

It was a SERIOUSLY loaded team and so much fun to watch. And at least 2 posters have independently said Jaylen was coached repeatedly not to put head down and go but it didn't stick. He was good for 2 player control fouls in the first half ;-)

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calumnus said:

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bluesaxe said:

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socaltownie said:

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ducky23 said:

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The brown/rabb team was a 4 seed and had legit final 4 aspirations.

I don't think I've seen a single poster saying we're going to come close to making the tourney next year. The majority of us would be ecstatic just to make the NIT.

I appreciate you trying to temper expectations, but if there's one thing us cal fans do well is learning to live with disappointment.

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This. And they might have been a bit higher if Tye hadn't missed that month with his first hand injury.

It was a SERIOUSLY loaded team and so much fun to watch. And at least 2 posters have independently said Jaylen was coached repeatedly not to put head down and go but it didn't stick. He was good for 2 player control fouls in the first half ;-)

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It was a problem, also exacerbated by Pac-12 officiating.

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Exactly. He has been playing basketball his whole life, was a McDonald's All American out of high school for a reason, was Pac-12 Freshman of the Year, First Team All Pac-12, a lottery pick, is an NBA All Star, but some are convinced that he forgot how to play basketball that single year while he was at Cal and then miraculously remembered later the very same year as a rookie on the Celtics?

Another poster was recently complaining about Shareef.

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oski003 said:

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calumnus said:

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bluesaxe said:

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socaltownie said:

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ducky23 said:

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The brown/rabb team was a 4 seed and had legit final 4 aspirations.

I don't think I've seen a single poster saying we're going to come close to making the tourney next year. The majority of us would be ecstatic just to make the NIT.

I appreciate you trying to temper expectations, but if there's one thing us cal fans do well is learning to live with disappointment.

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This. And they might have been a bit higher if Tye hadn't missed that month with his first hand injury.

It was a SERIOUSLY loaded team and so much fun to watch. And at least 2 posters have independently said Jaylen was coached repeatedly not to put head down and go but it didn't stick. He was good for 2 player control fouls in the first half ;-)

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It was a problem, also exacerbated by Pac-12 officiating.

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Exactly. He has been playing basketball his whole life, was a McDonald's All American out of high school for a reason, was Pac-12 Freshman of the Year, First Team All Pac-12, a lottery pick, is an NBA All Star, but some are convinced that he forgot how to play basketball that single year while he was at Cal and then miraculously remembered later the very same year as a rookie on the Celtics?

Another poster was recently complaining about Shareef.

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He hadn't been playing basketball against college players his whole life. He certainly was a great freshman player and very good Pac 12 player though. NBA potential was there. I agree that the refs unfairly called charges on him when defenders jumped sideways in front of him.

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calumnus said:

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bluesaxe said:

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socaltownie said:

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ducky23 said:

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The brown/rabb team was a 4 seed and had legit final 4 aspirations.

I don't think I've seen a single poster saying we're going to come close to making the tourney next year. The majority of us would be ecstatic just to make the NIT.

I appreciate you trying to temper expectations, but if there's one thing us cal fans do well is learning to live with disappointment.

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This. And they might have been a bit higher if Tye hadn't missed that month with his first hand injury.

It was a SERIOUSLY loaded team and so much fun to watch. And at least 2 posters have independently said Jaylen was coached repeatedly not to put head down and go but it didn't stick. He was good for 2 player control fouls in the first half ;-)

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It was a problem, also exacerbated by Pac-12 officiating.

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Exactly. He has been playing basketball his whole life, was a McDonald's All American out of high school for a reason, was Pac-12 Freshman of the Year, First Team All Pac-12, a lottery pick, is an NBA All Star, but some are convinced that he forgot how to play basketball that single year while he was at Cal and then miraculously remembered later the very same year as a rookie on the Celtics?

Another poster was recently complaining about Shareef. Many complained about him when he was at Cal.

Two of the most criticized football players were Desean Jackson and Keenan Allen. Some people complained Marshawn "danced too much."

There are people who prefer underdogs and are just not fans of highly rated players. Probably good they are Cal fans and not fans of UCLA, USC or other teams that bring in lots of 5 star talent and underperform as often as they don't.

Look at Arizona this year. Great team. Lost in the first round to Princeton. It happens. However, that happens to Cal, with a lot more extenuating circumstances, and people want to dump the coach (unless it is Monty) and stop recruiting players who might be lottery picks.

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bluesaxe said:

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oski003 said:

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calumnus said:

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bluesaxe said:

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socaltownie said:

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ducky23 said:

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The brown/rabb team was a 4 seed and had legit final 4 aspirations.

I don't think I've seen a single poster saying we're going to come close to making the tourney next year. The majority of us would be ecstatic just to make the NIT.

I appreciate you trying to temper expectations, but if there's one thing us cal fans do well is learning to live with disappointment.

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This. And they might have been a bit higher if Tye hadn't missed that month with his first hand injury.

It was a SERIOUSLY loaded team and so much fun to watch. And at least 2 posters have independently said Jaylen was coached repeatedly not to put head down and go but it didn't stick. He was good for 2 player control fouls in the first half ;-)

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It was a problem, also exacerbated by Pac-12 officiating.

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Exactly. He has been playing basketball his whole life, was a McDonald's All American out of high school for a reason, was Pac-12 Freshman of the Year, First Team All Pac-12, a lottery pick, is an NBA All Star, but some are convinced that he forgot how to play basketball that single year while he was at Cal and then miraculously remembered later the very same year as a rookie on the Celtics?

Another poster was recently complaining about Shareef.

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He hadn't been playing basketball against college players his whole life. He certainly was a great freshman player and very good Pac 12 player though. NBA potential was there. I agree that the refs unfairly called charges on him when defenders jumped sideways in front of him.

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One of my big issues with college officiating is that officials seem so damned eager to call offensive fouls. Ruins the game. Guys don't defend, they just jump in front of people. I knew Jaylen's game was better suited to the NBA even then. More space, more physicality allowed. He's really developed his game though. Very different player, as is to be expected.

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calumnus said:

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bluesaxe said:

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oski003 said:

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calumnus said:

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bluesaxe said:

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socaltownie said:

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ducky23 said:

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The brown/rabb team was a 4 seed and had legit final 4 aspirations.

I don't think I've seen a single poster saying we're going to come close to making the tourney next year. The majority of us would be ecstatic just to make the NIT.

I appreciate you trying to temper expectations, but if there's one thing us cal fans do well is learning to live with disappointment.

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This. And they might have been a bit higher if Tye hadn't missed that month with his first hand injury.

It was a SERIOUSLY loaded team and so much fun to watch. And at least 2 posters have independently said Jaylen was coached repeatedly not to put head down and go but it didn't stick. He was good for 2 player control fouls in the first half ;-)

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It was a problem, also exacerbated by Pac-12 officiating.

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Exactly. He has been playing basketball his whole life, was a McDonald's All American out of high school for a reason, was Pac-12 Freshman of the Year, First Team All Pac-12, a lottery pick, is an NBA All Star, but some are convinced that he forgot how to play basketball that single year while he was at Cal and then miraculously remembered later the very same year as a rookie on the Celtics?

Another poster was recently complaining about Shareef.

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He hadn't been playing basketball against college players his whole life. He certainly was a great freshman player and very good Pac 12 player though. NBA potential was there. I agree that the refs unfairly called charges on him when defenders jumped sideways in front of him.

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One of my big issues with college officiating is that officials seem so damned eager to call offensive fouls. Ruins the game. Guys don't defend, they just jump in front of people. I knew Jaylen's game was better suited to the NBA even then. More space, more physicality allowed. He's really developed his game though. Very different player, as is to be expected.

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Too many college refs think people pay to see them perform.

It is true that a guy who is 6'7" with great hops will tend to dominate inside in high school and basketball needs to emphasize his perimeter game more at the next level. Brown already had a great shot, that is why he was a sure thing. We have had a few tweeners recently that can't shoot, so, for them it is tougher to make that transition.

A great shot? Really? What would your definition of "a great shot" be?

At Cal in 2016, Brown shot threes at 0.294, well below the average perimeter shooter. In Cal's usual rotation, he ranked 5th, behind Mathews (.416), Bird (.409), Domingo (.306), and Ty Wallace (.298). Only Sam Singer (.270) shot threes at a percentage lower than Brown.

As we know, shooting is not just draining long bombs. Brown's two point FG% (.482), which was decent for a perimeter player, was ranked 6th in Cal's usual rotation. Brown's free throw percentage (.656) was about average, but pretty low for a perimeter player, and was ranked 4th among Cal's rotation.

As great an athlete as Brown was, I saw no evidence of a great shot while he was playing for Cal. What I saw was a talented athletic freshman, doing well for a freshman, but lacking in consistency, and in shooting that means your misses are often bad misses, even air balls. The great shooters are ones who, if they miss by a few inches, the next try will usually either go in the basket, or at least be a narrower miss than the first shot. That is especially true on free throws, where there are not factors like defenders, or clock, etc to bother the shooter's concentration.

Looking at his stats with the Celtics, overall his shooting has greatly improved since his Cal days. His three point shooting has gone up and down, and this season has been his worst at .335, but that still ranks him at #130 in the NBA, and is much better than his percentage at Cal (.294). Both his 2PT% (.576), and FT% (.765) are particularly impressive, because both have been improving each season, ranking him #38 in 2PT% and #89 in FT% which are great, not quite NBA elite yet, but impressive.

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