Madsen's Early Recruiting - A Word of Caution

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Madsen may be "crushing it" with his initial recruiting, and it does look good, but I'd suggest a word of caution. The only two new players Madsen has signed came out of the portal, Fardaws Aimaq and Jalen Cone, who both have suffered serious injuries in the past, causing them both to miss a number of games. Last September, before the season at Texas Tech, Aimaq broke his foot, and was sidelined, missing the first 16 games of the season, and then the same ankle injury caused him to miss 5 more games in January and February. He returned to play on February 11, and played in the final 8 games. In all, he played in just 11 games last season, missing 21 games due to his broken foot.

Jalen Cone's ankle injury was not recent, and less serious than Aimag's broken foot, but an issue causing him to miss key games. Cone fractured his ankle as a soph at Virginia Tech, prior to the season, and was sidelined, missing the first 3 games. He played most of the season, but also reinjured the ankle, and had to miss the final 4 games of the season, including the ACC Tournament and the NCAA Tournament, as Tech lost both games without him. He has been able to play all his games at Northern Arizona for two seasons, and I hope the injury is behind him and does not affect his play. Nevertheless, any serious injury is a cause for concern and caution.

The reason I mention all this is that there were growing complaints on this board, where several fans wrote that Mark Fox was signing too many players who had previously been seriously injured. One poster actually accused Mark Fox of having a strategy of targeting injured recruits. He of course provided no evidence of this or source for this statement. Fox did sign too many injured players, as it turned out, but most coaches are almost forced to look at injured recruits or transfers to fill needs in their rosters, because there are so few good players available today. Look at the math: There are perhaps 25 great recruits every year, and most of them are scooped up by the top 10 or 20 programs. There are perhaps another 20-25 players who will either greatly help their teams, or will go on to have good careers playing in the NBA or overseas. There are another 50-100 players who will help their teams somewhat. How many D1 schools are there, 300 or 400? And all of them will be after the best recruits they can attract. And most coaches have to fill out a roster with 2-4 recruits every year, due to graduation alone. If you are one of the top coaches, you have to ink at least 4 or 5 great players every year. The point is that the best players are snapped up by the better programs, and if you still have slots to fill, you almost have no choice but to take "projects", and coach them up, or take a previously injured player who has shown good court sense and skills. All coaches do this, except for the coaches of the elite programs, Duke, UNC, Kentucky, UCLA, UConn, Kansas, et al, who just don't need to take the injured player.

Ben Braun gambled on at least Leon Powe, Harper Kamp, Omondi Amoke, and Sam Rayburn

Montgomery gambled on at least MSF, Christian Behrens, Emerson Murray, and Gary Franklin

Cuonzo gambled on Grant Mullins, Jacobi Gordon, and Jemarl Baker

Wyking gambled on Otis Thorpe

Some of these gambles paid off, some did not.

The remaining roster has Newell (injured in high school), Celestine (injured in high school, reinjured at Cal, did not play last season, Askew (missed most of the season, and ended it on the injured list), Bowser (previously injured, but able to play most of this season). Wrenn Robinson may be the only player from last season's roster who has not been injured, but I don't know that. Hopefully Brown and Curtis are healthy and good to go. With NINE of Cal's players having either entered the Portal or graduated and out of eligibility, Madsen has a huge challenge on his hands to cobble together a team. He may have to take even more injured players or projects to do this, so let's not be too hard on him as he tries to find players in a very short recruiting season.



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hbear777
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every top recruiting level progeram has to make gambles: UCLA anmbled Kris Johnson, Jr Henderson and the 6-8 dude that berafted everyday the equipment mgr and got icked off- that they would not be bad apples. They were.

The Cedric Bozeman / our Gary Franklin , were not MAC AA due to being more advanced for their age group and playing at Mater DEI. Both players were embarrassingly overmathched at UCLA and CAL!!!

no guarantees on injury of how a guys game translates, just evaluation
SFCityBear
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hbear777 said:

every top recruiting level progeram has to make gambles: UCLA anmbled Kris Johnson, Jr Henderson and the 6-8 dude that berafted everyday the equipment mgr and got icked off- that they would not be bad apples. They were.

The Cedric Bozeman / our Gary Franklin , were not MAC AA due to being more advanced for their age group and playing at Mater DEI. Both players were embarrassingly overmathched at UCLA and CAL!!!

no guarantees on injury of how a guys game translates, just evaluation
Gary Franklin was said to be an outstanding high school football player, but ended his football career by breaking his arm or leg, I don't remember which. What I remember of his cup of coffee at Cal was that it looked like his left arm was deformed and may have been broken at the elbow, so probably it was the arm which was broken. The left was not his shooting hand, but he had trouble taking a jumpshot, because usually the off hand is needed to steady the ball during the shot. He shot very erratically, with too many air balls. I think he left mid-season (which is always a bad look) because he did not like the position Montgomery assigned him. By some miracle he found his stroke at Baylor. In any case, I'd fault Montgomery for not scouting him well enough before recruiting him. I totally agree with your last sentence.
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I think fractures are more likely to heal than ligament tears so I'm not so worried about Aimaq and Cone. I also wonder if whatever we were doing the last few years in practice was unnecessarily damaging.
oskidunker
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stu said:

I think fractures are more likely to heal than ligament tears so I'm not so worried about Aimaq and Cone. I also wonder if whatever we were doing the last few years in practice was unnecessarily damaging.
Bingo!
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stanfurdbites
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Is this post really necessary? No one is claiming championships and butterflies and unicorns. Everyone is basking in the joy that is the post-Fox hellhole so let us have our fun.
bearmanpg
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stanfurdbites said:

Is this post really necessary? No one is claiming championships and butterflies and unicorns. Everyone is basking in the joy that is the post-Fox hellhole so let us have our fun.
Just another black cloud from the city by the bay....
oskidunker
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bearmanpg said:

stanfurdbites said:

Is this post really necessary? No one is claiming championships and butterflies and unicorns. Everyone is basking in the joy that is the post-Fox hellhole so let us have our fun.
Just another black cloud from the city by the bay....

He makes good points, in my opinion.
Go Bears!
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stu said:

I think fractures are more likely to heal than ligament tears so I'm not so worried about Aimaq and Cone. I also wonder if whatever we were doing the last few years in practice was unnecessarily damaging.
Depends on the type and location of the fracture. But basically it's a physical game and players get injured all the time. I'm just hoping we have a good S&C and training staff.
tequila4kapp
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IMO it is a lot more risky to take players without P12 level skills and athleticism than it is to take a guy who had an injury.
stu
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bluesaxe said:

stu said:

I think fractures are more likely to heal than ligament tears so I'm not so worried about Aimaq and Cone. I also wonder if whatever we were doing the last few years in practice was unnecessarily damaging.
Depends on the type and location of the fracture. But basically it's a physical game and players get injured all the time. I'm just hoping we have a good S&C and training staff.
Yes. About 20 years ago one of the Cal players had a metatarsal fracture which healed in 6 weeks because the treatment was good and the location was favorable. Bill Walton wasn't so lucky.
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bearmanpg said:

stanfurdbites said:

Is this post really necessary? No one is claiming championships and butterflies and unicorns. Everyone is basking in the joy that is the post-Fox hellhole so let us have our fun.
Just another black cloud from the city by the bay....



Not really a fair characterization. He was by far our most optimistic poster during the Fox era, even right up until the end.
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calumnus said:

bearmanpg said:

stanfurdbites said:

Is this post really necessary? No one is claiming championships and butterflies and unicorns. Everyone is basking in the joy that is the post-Fox hellhole so let us have our fun.
Just another black cloud from the city by the bay....



Not really a fair characterization. He was by far our most optimistic poster during the Fox era, even right up until the end.
Optimism during the Fox era is the definition of a black cloud....
BeachedBear
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bearmanpg said:

calumnus said:

bearmanpg said:

stanfurdbites said:

Is this post really necessary? No one is claiming championships and butterflies and unicorns. Everyone is basking in the joy that is the post-Fox hellhole so let us have our fun.
Just another black cloud from the city by the bay....



Not really a fair characterization. He was by far our most optimistic poster during the Fox era, even right up until the end.
Optimism during the Fox era is the definition of a black cloud....

cal83dls79
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bearmanpg said:

calumnus said:

bearmanpg said:

stanfurdbites said:

Is this post really necessary? No one is claiming championships and butterflies and unicorns. Everyone is basking in the joy that is the post-Fox hellhole so let us have our fun.
Just another black cloud from the city by the bay....



Not really a fair characterization. He was by far our most optimistic poster during the Fox era, even right up until the end.
Optimism during the Fox era is the definition of a black cloud....

yes, sfcity was leader in charge of fox apologists and excuse makers. Optimism is one thing but he went out of his way with injury studies that went back decades to justify fox and a 3 win season.
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FloriDreaming
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calumnus said:

bearmanpg said:

stanfurdbites said:

Is this post really necessary? No one is claiming championships and butterflies and unicorns. Everyone is basking in the joy that is the post-Fox hellhole so let us have our fun.
Just another black cloud from the city by the bay....



Not really a fair characterization. He was by far our most optimistic poster during the Fox era, even right up until the end.
LOL. There you have it.

I'll give the Fox pumper the respect and consideration that is appropriate.
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