RedlessWardrobe said:

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Big C said:

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oskidunker said:

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Ihope Askew gets better. I did not see a great passer. But what do I know?

https://www.si.com/college/cal/basketball/madsen-on-his-roster

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You know what I know. Askew seemed like he wanted to get the ball last season, not give it up. And when he got it, he dribbled it... and then usually shot it. OTOH, great opportunity for all the players to get a fresh start with Mark Madsen!

It did seem like all his roster comments were what they call "aspirational", but we do need a little hype for a change.

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The situation with Askew this year will be completely different. What you saw last year should be thrown out. First of all he was playing for a Mark Fox created "offense" which has to be one of the worst sets of all time. Also keep in mind that Askew was playing in a situation forcing him to play hero ball. Gotta believe it will be completely different this year.

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Big C said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Big C said:

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oskidunker said:

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Ihope Askew gets better. I did not see a great passer. But what do I know?

https://www.si.com/college/cal/basketball/madsen-on-his-roster

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You know what I know. Askew seemed like he wanted to get the ball last season, not give it up. And when he got it, he dribbled it... and then usually shot it. OTOH, great opportunity for all the players to get a fresh start with Mark Madsen!

It did seem like all his roster comments were what they call "aspirational", but we do need a little hype for a change.

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The situation with Askew this year will be completely different. What you saw last year should be thrown out. First of all he was playing for a Mark Fox created "offense" which has to be one of the worst sets of all time. Also keep in mind that Askew was playing in a situation forcing him to play hero ball. Gotta believe it will be completely different this year.

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You might well be right on that and I hope you are. Wipe the slates clean; everybody gets a fresh start with Mad Dog!

My experience with players who dribble a lot is that it is a hard habit to all of a sudden give up, but I'm rooting for Devin Askew to have a great season.

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calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Big C said:

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oskidunker said:

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Ihope Askew gets better. I did not see a great passer. But what do I know?

https://www.si.com/college/cal/basketball/madsen-on-his-roster

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You know what I know. Askew seemed like he wanted to get the ball last season, not give it up. And when he got it, he dribbled it... and then usually shot it. OTOH, great opportunity for all the players to get a fresh start with Mark Madsen!

It did seem like all his roster comments were what they call "aspirational", but we do need a little hype for a change.

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The situation with Askew this year will be completely different. What you saw last year should be thrown out. First of all he was playing for a Mark Fox created "offense" which has to be one of the worst sets of all time. Also keep in mind that Askew was playing in a situation forcing him to play hero ball. Gotta believe it will be completely different this year.

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You might well be right on that and I hope you are. Wipe the slates clean; everybody gets a fresh start with Mad Dog!

My experience with players who dribble a lot is that it is a hard habit to all of a sudden give up, but I'm rooting for Devin Askew to have a great season.

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I don't really see a huge role for him on this team, but definitely "dribbling to burn clock then with a few seconds left, drive and try to score" will definitely not be one of them.

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oskidunker said:

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calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Big C said:

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oskidunker said:

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Ihope Askew gets better. I did not see a great passer. But what do I know?

https://www.si.com/college/cal/basketball/madsen-on-his-roster

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You know what I know. Askew seemed like he wanted to get the ball last season, not give it up. And when he got it, he dribbled it... and then usually shot it. OTOH, great opportunity for all the players to get a fresh start with Mark Madsen!

It did seem like all his roster comments were what they call "aspirational", but we do need a little hype for a change.

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The situation with Askew this year will be completely different. What you saw last year should be thrown out. First of all he was playing for a Mark Fox created "offense" which has to be one of the worst sets of all time. Also keep in mind that Askew was playing in a situation forcing him to play hero ball. Gotta believe it will be completely different this year.

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You might well be right on that and I hope you are. Wipe the slates clean; everybody gets a fresh start with Mad Dog!

My experience with players who dribble a lot is that it is a hard habit to all of a sudden give up, but I'm rooting for Devin Askew to have a great season.

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I don't really see a huge role for him on this team, but definitely "dribbling to burn clock then with a few seconds left, drive and try to score" will definitely not be one of them.

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We have our point guard from Northern Arizona. Askew is a back up, in my opinion. You notice Madsen said Askew had a good mid range shot. He is not a three shooter.

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Don't think the term "back up" will apply to this team very often. A lot of players playing a varying amount of minutes from game to game appears to be on the menu.

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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calumnus said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Don't think the term "back up" will apply to this team very often. A lot of players playing a varying amount of minutes from game to game appears to be on the menu.

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Did Madsen say that? At Utah Valley he tightened up his rotation pretty quickly to a core of 8 with a clear starting 5 that got the lion share of the minutes. I'd expect him to do the same at Cal unless he has said otherwise. If Cone is his guy I think he will maximize his minutes. Askew will have to beat him out for more than backup minutes.

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No he didn't say that. He also didn't say he would use a tight rotation either. Its no more than an opinion on my part. He's bringing in 5 transfers so you would expect they all get minutes. I would think Askew, Grant, Celestine, and N.D. have shown enough to still be in the loop. Bowser played better at the end of last season. Rodney Brown is supposed to be an excellent shooter. That's 11 right there. I don't think that just because a coach uses a tight rotation one season its automatic that he does it the next year, especially with a completely different roster. Its just a gut feeling on my part. Thats all I was saying.

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calfanz said:

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From a good source as of now the Starting Line UP

Aimaq
Tyson
Cone
Askew
Kennedy

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HoopDreams said:

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calfanz said:

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From a good source as of now the Starting Line UP

Aimaq
Tyson
Cone
Askew
Kennedy

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looks like we are going small with shooters ... maybe 4 out ... it's what I was expecting ... hope we can defend

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calfanz said:

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From a good source as of now the Starting Line UP

Aimaq
Tyson
Cone
Askew
Kennedy

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calumnus said:

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HoopDreams said:

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calfanz said:

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From a good source as of now the Starting Line UP

Aimaq
Tyson
Cone
Askew
Kennedy

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looks like we are going small with shooters ... maybe 4 out ... it's what I was expecting ... hope we can defend

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Askew is a career .295 shooter from three. He will need to improve to be considered a "shooter" but I hope he does.

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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calfanz said:

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From a good source as of now the Starting Line UP

Aimaq
Tyson
Cone
Askew
Kennedy

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If the team hasn't even had a practice yet, the only credible "good source" would be Madsen himself. Just don't see how there can already be a "starting lineup" when the coach hasn't even run any kind of scrimmage with his guys. Obviously Aimaq and Tyson will get big playing time but after that calling "starters" vs. "backups" has to be pure speculation.

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CalLifer said:

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HoopDreams said:

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yeah, he's not a great 3 point shooter, but defenses have to respect his shot

Shooting percentages improve with more space, and less defensive attention

last season he was the focus of the defense and often had to force shots at the end of the clock

calumnus said:

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HoopDreams said:

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calfanz said:

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From a good source as of now the Starting Line UP

Aimaq
Tyson
Cone
Askew
Kennedy

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looks like we are going small with shooters ... maybe 4 out ... it's what I was expecting ... hope we can defend

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Askew is a career .295 shooter from three. He will need to improve to be considered a "shooter" but I hope he does.

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I usually agree with you, HD, but in this case, I don't think there is any case you can make that any defense has to respect Askew's 3 point shot. He has been on more talented teams than last season's cal team and still has not shot well (or well enough that any defense shouldn't welcome him shooting a 3). I would think that Meadows would be a better fit in that lineup unless Askew proves he can be the distributor on offense that Madsen wants him to be or his shot dramatically improves.

But Madsen gets paid the big bucks, not me . So we'll see how it plays out once the team comes together in the fall.

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CalLifer said:

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HoopDreams said:

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yeah, he's not a great 3 point shooter, but defenses have to respect his shot

Shooting percentages improve with more space, and less defensive attention

last season he was the focus of the defense and often had to force shots at the end of the clock

calumnus said:

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HoopDreams said:

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calfanz said:

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From a good source as of now the Starting Line UP

Aimaq
Tyson
Cone
Askew
Kennedy

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looks like we are going small with shooters ... maybe 4 out ... it's what I was expecting ... hope we can defend

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Askew is a career .295 shooter from three. He will need to improve to be considered a "shooter" but I hope he does.

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I usually agree with you, HD, but in this case, I don't think there is any case you can make that any defense has to respect Askew's 3 point shot. He has been on more talented teams than last season's cal team and still has not shot well (or well enough that any defense shouldn't welcome him shooting a 3). I would think that Meadows would be a better fit in that lineup unless Askew proves he can be the distributor on offense that Madsen wants him to be or his shot dramatically improves.

But Madsen gets paid the big bucks, not me . So we'll see how it plays out once the team comes together in the fall.

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HoopDreams said:

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you maybe right, but a player shooting 33% from three is equal to a player shooting 50% from two, plus I think Askew gets to the line alot and is a solid defender

scoring efficiency is more important than 3 point percentage, although teams can't afford to have poor shooters like Joel and Marcelas (although I would have liked Brown as a backup PG and defensive stopper)

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CalLifer said:

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HoopDreams said:

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you maybe right, but a player shooting 33% from three is equal to a player shooting 50% from two, plus I think Askew gets to the line alot and is a solid defender

scoring efficiency is more important than 3 point percentage, although teams can't afford to have poor shooters like Joel and Marcelas (although I would have liked Brown as a backup PG and defensive stopper)

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but that player, a 33% three point shooter, is probably the bottom of the range where teams would take them seriously as 3 point threats... and Askew is 29.5% for his career and 29.9% last season. So without a real jump in his shooting, I can't see him being considered a serious threat from 3.

And I 100% agree with you that efficiency is really the key... but Askew's True Shooting % last season was 49.5%, and his effective FG% was an inefficient 43.3%. I think Askew can be a more efficient player, especially with better teammates around him, but Madsen's offense really has to guide Askew to the right shots for that to happen.

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HoopDreams said:

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CalLifer said:

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HoopDreams said:

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you maybe right, but a player shooting 33% from three is equal to a player shooting 50% from two, plus I think Askew gets to the line alot and is a solid defender

scoring efficiency is more important than 3 point percentage, although teams can't afford to have poor shooters like Joel and Marcelas (although I would have liked Brown as a backup PG and defensive stopper)

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but that player, a 33% three point shooter, is probably the bottom of the range where teams would take them seriously as 3 point threats... and Askew is 29.5% for his career and 29.9% last season. So without a real jump in his shooting, I can't see him being considered a serious threat from 3.

And I 100% agree with you that efficiency is really the key... but Askew's True Shooting % last season was 49.5%, and his effective FG% was an inefficient 43.3%. I think Askew can be a more efficient player, especially with better teammates around him, but Madsen's offense really has to guide Askew to the right shots for that to happen.

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yes, I doubt Madsen will coach Askew to take the air out of the ball, and then go one on one, or jack up a 3 as the clock is winding down, as the other 4 players stand there

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calumnus said:

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HoopDreams said:

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CalLifer said:

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HoopDreams said:

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you maybe right, but a player shooting 33% from three is equal to a player shooting 50% from two, plus I think Askew gets to the line alot and is a solid defender

scoring efficiency is more important than 3 point percentage, although teams can't afford to have poor shooters like Joel and Marcelas (although I would have liked Brown as a backup PG and defensive stopper)

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but that player, a 33% three point shooter, is probably the bottom of the range where teams would take them seriously as 3 point threats... and Askew is 29.5% for his career and 29.9% last season. So without a real jump in his shooting, I can't see him being considered a serious threat from 3.

And I 100% agree with you that efficiency is really the key... but Askew's True Shooting % last season was 49.5%, and his effective FG% was an inefficient 43.3%. I think Askew can be a more efficient player, especially with better teammates around him, but Madsen's offense really has to guide Askew to the right shots for that to happen.

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yes, I doubt Madsen will coach Askew to take the air out of the ball, and then go one on one, or jack up a 3 as the clock is winding down, as the other 4 players stand there

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Agreed, but I see him as a PG, not really a scorer, and given our lack of depth at PG I see him mostly playing behind Cone, with our other guards/wings at the 2/3.

We will see.

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