philbert said:

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Big C said:

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Would you guys agree that GS, as currently constituted (including Draymond and the draft choices), needs to add 1-2 more pieces to have a realistic shot at a title? Seems to me like they do and Lacob/Dunleavy/Kerr surely know that.

So how do they go about it? I'm guessing they try and get an older big guy or two, who want to end their careers with a title and thus are willing to sign at a bargain price. Then they hope all the old guys stay healthy.

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Realistically, they could use another big, another scoring guard, and a 3rd PG. However, they can really only get guys on vet minimum contracts and I don't think there's too many impact guys available at that price. Kinda need to get lucky and hit on someone (like when they first signed GP2). I am guessing Ty Jerome will be the 3rd PG.

It would help them a lot if JK and Moody became good rotation players.

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Ty Jerome is actually probably one of the better 3rd PGs in the league. Yes he has defensive deficiencies, but his offensive efficiency numbers are excellent for a 3rd PG

I agree the dubs are one of two pieces short. And I don't think they're going to get it thru vet mins. I think around the trade deadline they are going to have to make a choice. If they believe they are only a piece away from a legit title shot, I think kuminga and/or moody are going to be expendable. Especially if neither show they still aren't significant playoff rotation pieces.

philbert said:

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Big C said:

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Would you guys agree that GS, as currently constituted (including Draymond and the draft choices), needs to add 1-2 more pieces to have a realistic shot at a title? Seems to me like they do and Lacob/Dunleavy/Kerr surely know that.

So how do they go about it? I'm guessing they try and get an older big guy or two, who want to end their careers with a title and thus are willing to sign at a bargain price. Then they hope all the old guys stay healthy.

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Realistically, they could use another big, another scoring guard, and a 3rd PG. However, they can really only get guys on vet minimum contracts and I don't think there's too many impact guys available at that price. Kinda need to get lucky and hit on someone (like when they first signed GP2). I am guessing Ty Jerome will be the 3rd PG.

It would help them a lot if JK and Moody became good rotation players.

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Agreed. If one of the two young guys could become the extra scoring option, that gets them closer. I think Moody was decent in the playoffs, and I have hope for him. I think they should trade Kuminga for a missing piece. His value to the Warriors is less than it would be to another team.

DeMarcus Cousins is out of the NBA. I don't think should sign him, but I think they should sign someone like him.

Did y'all notice how wiped out Loon was at the end of the season? He was gassed.

Are the Warriors still perceived as a great free agency destination like they were just two years ago?

cal83dls79 said:

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Did y'all notice how wiped out Loon was at the end of the season? He was gassed.

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Didn't he play 82 games? And being an undersized center that still bangs has gotta wear a guy down. Getting him some relief down low should be a priority. Also a stretch 4 (or anybody that can keep the opposing defense honest from outside, besides Steph, Klay and sometimes Wiggins).

I know they need to ride this train as far as it will take them, but the Finals days might be over for this group.

Big C said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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Did y'all notice how wiped out Loon was at the end of the season? He was gassed.

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Didn't he play 82 games? And being an undersized center that still bangs has gotta wear a guy down. Getting him some relief down low should be a priority. Also a stretch 4 (or anybody that can keep the opposing defense honest from outside, besides Steph, Klay and sometimes Wiggins).

I know they need to ride this train as far as it will take them, but the Finals days might be over for this group.

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A play in team at best.

I guess no Ty Jerome

The Warriors are not expected to extend qualifying offers to Ty Jerome or Anthony Lamb this summer, according to a report.https://t.co/4MaXcO0Cuq

— Sporting Green (@SportingGreenSF) June 28, 2023

The Warriors have opted to extend a $1.7 million qualifying offer to Ty Jerome before today's deadline. Makes him a restricted free agent. Two-way qualifying offer extended to Lester Quinones.

— Anthony Slater (@anthonyVslater) June 29, 2023

Big C said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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Did y'all notice how wiped out Loon was at the end of the season? He was gassed.

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Didn't he play 82 games? And being an undersized center that still bangs has gotta wear a guy down. Getting him some relief down low should be a priority. Also a stretch 4 (or anybody that can keep the opposing defense honest from outside, besides Steph, Klay and sometimes Wiggins).

I know they need to ride this train as far as it will take them, but the Finals days might be over for this group.

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When it comes to finding a free agent who could give Looney a breather, or a wing who can hit 3 point shots, the Warriors are stuck in a holding pattern. They can only sign players at the vet minimum salary, and the best of those players will end up on the teams that are most likely to be title contenders this season. Warriors will either have to wait a week or two until after those teams have filled their quota of vet minimum guys, or go ahead and sign someone who has received no interest at all from those teams.

If true, I think this fits the Dubs pretty well.

Per multiple sources: UFA Dario Sarić to Warriors is high probability - 'likely' according to one source

Why? 1) Stretch 4; 2) High hoops IQ w/sound all-around skills; 3) Age (29) fits team's win-now approach that borders on desperation

— Monte Poole (@MontePooleNBCS) June 30, 2023

To those of you who wanted a lower AAV, you got it....but there is a 4th year.

Warriors have already checked their most important free agent box. Draymond Green is back, per @ShamsCharania. Warriors get: Lowered annual salary. Green gets: Player option in Year 4. https://t.co/aJCcUic4SB

— Anthony Slater (@anthonyVslater) June 30, 2023

What a joke.

4 declining years for the price of an all-NBA Defensive Team player in his prime... Dray and Klutch picked Lacob's pocket.

Also: Same average annual value in this contract as in Draymond's previous contract. No "discount" given to the Warriors.

2020 contract: AAV of $24,916,591

2023 contract: AAV of $25,000,000

Source: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/draymond-green-10860/

Draymond fan here, but that seems like a lot to pay for somebody who is entering their twilight years in the league. Same with how much Klay is getting. I guess they want to ride all the way to the end with the core that got them four rings... sort of a loyalty bonus. However, they seem to be stuck at the level they're at now, unless everything just "clicks" in one of the next three seasons.

Signing declining stars should work wonders.

They're one or two players from being a play-in team.

Worth listening to for insight. Not sure what else they could've done if the goal is to try to keep the title window open while Steph is still playing well. And they are going to get out of the luxury tax apron before next season....

New Warriors plus/minus podcast with @ThompsonScribe and @TimKawakami.

Draymond Green is back.

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— Anthony Slater (@anthonyVslater) July 1, 2023

ducky23 said:

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I'm confused with everyone's comments about draymond's contract. If you were GM, what would you do differently?

Not sign draymond? And then what? I'd love to hear it.

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No one else was going to give Draymond 4 years and $100 million or anywhere near it. It's a substantial overpay whose primary purpose is not good management of the roster or cap, it's only to keep Draymond, and more importantly Steph, happy.

Of course sportswriters like Slater, Thompson, and Kawakami think it's a great move -- they don't criticize Warriors' management because they want to preserve their access.

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ducky23 said:

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I'm confused with everyone's comments about draymond's contract. If you were GM, what would you do differently?

Not sign draymond? And then what? I'd love to hear it.

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No one else was going to give Draymond 4 years and $100 million or anywhere near it. It's a substantial overpay whose primary purpose is not good management of the roster or cap, it's only to keep Draymond, and more importantly Steph, happy.

Of course sportswriters like Slater, Thompson, and Kawakami think it's a great move -- they don't criticize Warriors' management because they want to preserve their access.

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Disagree strongly. You clearly weren't around during the Cohan years. They bashed Dubs management mercilessly. (Well, not Slater since he wasn't here.)

They were predicting Green being gone after the punch. They watched the season play out and are calling it like they see it.

ducky23 said:

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I'm confused with everyone's comments about draymond's contract. If you were GM, what would you do differently?

Not sign draymond? And then what? I'd love to hear it.

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No, I agree, I'm not sure what else they could do. No easy solutions for where they're at. Was hoping they could get Draymond and Klay to each sign for a little less, but that, of course, is not really realistic. They are kind of stuck at good-to-very-good, unless Kuminga makes a great leap forward or one of the draft picks was really underrated.

It's just that three more seasons similar to this one they just had will get pretty frustrating. And the Steph-Klay-Draymond core is likely to continue to decline in season-long production.

I had been hoping that, being light years ahead of the other franchises, they could've done something that my non-light-years-ahead brain couldn't conceive of.

They will suck in two years, and move back to Oakland. The sf site will host concerts nightly.

Lakers quietly having a good off-season. They are resigning good players for decent prices.

oski003 said:

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Lakers quietly having a good off-season. They are resigning good players for decent prices.

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The new salary cap rules are benefitting the Lakers this summer.

Contending teams who want to stay away from the "second apron" want to avoid overpaying their 4th or 5th best player. It's still ok to pay top dollar to a superstar, but it is now a significant problem to have a player on your roster like Jordan Poole or Tyler Herro making $25-30 million a year. Thus the market for players like Hachimura and Reeves is cooler, and the Lakers can sign each of them for about half that amount.

Big C said:

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Draymond fan here, but that seems like a lot to pay for somebody who is entering their twilight years in the league. Same with how much Klay is getting. I guess they want to ride all the way to the end with the core that got them four rings... sort of a loyalty bonus. However, they seem to be stuck at the level they're at now, unless everything just "clicks" in one of the next three seasons.

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That is my initial reaction as well.

And then I remember that NBA salaries, cap, luxury taxes and such are the new new new math. Just toss numbers out the window and hope Dunleavy knows what he's doing. In other words, I guess I'd rather keep Draymond and Klay - unless they are replaced with someone better - regardless of the numbers.

Dreymond really is undersized but a great defender and with his passing he is a unicorn that is the perfect fit for the warriors offense

It's also nice as a fan to see the 3 stick together for their entire career

I don't think that happens in the modern era

BeachedBear said:

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Big C said:

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Draymond fan here, but that seems like a lot to pay for somebody who is entering their twilight years in the league. Same with how much Klay is getting. I guess they want to ride all the way to the end with the core that got them four rings... sort of a loyalty bonus. However, they seem to be stuck at the level they're at now, unless everything just "clicks" in one of the next three seasons.

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In other words, I guess I'd rather keep Draymond and Klay - unless they are replaced with someone better - regardless of the numbers.

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So that's the thing, Draymond and Klay can't be replaced with someone better. Its either keep Draymond or lose him, but you can't use that 100 million on someone else. Draymond's agent is hardly an idiot, they know the Warriors are screwed if Draymond doesn't re-sign. So its not like Draymond had zero leverage in this situation. The deal was fair.

I think you have to consider not AAV but percentage of cap. The cap continues to go up, so draymonds's contract, tho flat, constitutes a smaller percentage of the cap and so is actually less onerous. So in that sense he is really taking a discount from a team cap perspective. So to keep a player of Draymond's importance to THIS team on a reduced percentage of the cap, that's likely a win.

The question of the 4th year is separate, but at a smaller percentage of the cap, I'm sure the warriors think they can find ways to get out of it if needed at that time.

interesting thoughts

Draymond illustrates why the Warriors - barring a startling change of heart - have no desire to move JK this summer. Give him some trial run with a PG who excels at spoon-feeding leapers in the paint https://t.co/r0qr7yQ1lm

— Monte Poole (@MontePooleNBCS) July 3, 2023

Bobodeluxe said:

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Injuries, age and dumb drafting.

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Dumb drafting, or too much impatience with younger players.

Other NBA teams have done much better at integrating younger players into their regular rotation. When the coach buries a younger player every time he has a bad game, and the older vets scapegoat the younger players, then even if you have younger players with potential, the team doesn't get enough out of them.

He anyone seen Lester Quinones play from the G League? He might be the the next Jordan Poole (without the attitude). lol.

6'5" 210 lb.

Defense.

Bobodeluxe said:

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Injuries, age and dumb drafting.

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appreciate the update genius