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People are leaving Texas over rising costs, partisan politics, and a sense of disenchantment


https://www.businessinsider.com/leaving-texas-political-freedom-property-taxes-housing-costs-2023-11

"Contrary to Burse, Bob McCranie, a Dallas-based real-estate broker who created a real-estate service that helps LGBTQ+ people in Texas sell their homes and get connected with agents in different parts of the country and abroad, told KXAN News in July that the state's lack of inclusivity has created an unwelcoming environment.

"What we all want as human beings is to feel a level of safety, and if your state is making you feel unsafe, there's no reason to stay," McCranie said."
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HKBear97! said:

OdontoBear66 said:

KoreAmBear said:

OdontoBear66 said:

KoreAmBear said:

bearister said:

KenBurnski said:

I've been astonished with how bitter and horrible the Texas Tech fanbase has been toward Fardaws and Tyson on PUBLIC social media comments. Don't even want to imagine the horrible **** they've been receiving in private message. I hope that school loses every game it plays in every sport for the rest of time.


That is why I laugh when Texas is portrayed as Nirvana and lots of people are leaving California to live there. Even if it was nice, you would still have to put up with a$$h@le Texans.

When I was young and traveling in Mexico and Europe, I can't tell you how many times I was embarrassed to be an American abroad when a group of those drunk, arrogant, ignorant and uncouth pieces of sh@it would roll into a hotel, restaurant or bar and start throwing their weight around. It comes as no surprise to me that they have yet to evolve.


I'd say Lubbock and El Paso (I wonder if the kid was a UTEP fan) are in a different world than Dallas or Houston.
Then again it may have been a local young man from South OC which I hope not. But unless there is confirmation I think some of you are going too far with certain assumptions. I've never lived anywhere but California, but to assume we are superior in thought process and education is questionable at best.



Not about intellect but culture. Just look up the shocking things Texas Tech fans have said about Daws and I would not be surprised about them doing this to Tyson as well. Every area, community and fan base has their quotient of racists and meat heads, but from what Daws was experiencing after he left TT that just seemed shocking people would be like that for basketball. So my impression of Lubbock and fans of TT was not positive. Now if it was these local OC high school students riding Daws at the game, they have their own cultural issues to address.
I hear you, but group think and group speak are what is so so wrong in our society today. Yes, you can make "some" generalizations, but be very careful. I can think of so many circumstances where there is bad danger there.



Seriously! The stereotyping from supposed Cal grads on here has been embarrassing. My Cal education taught me curiosity and how to appreciate the world around us in all shapes and forms. Our world and the people in it are incredibly diverse and unique, so generalizations are ridiculous and idiotic. Sadly it seems not all Cal grads had the same experience I did.

Hold on there if you are casting a wide net here to include my comments. My response was mostly to address the hateful statements (these are facts not allegations) made about Daws after he left TT, made in public by TT fans. Racist comments he's had to endure. It was shocking that this would be allowed anywhere. I don't think it's a stretch to say the culture allowed for it. Maybe it's Lubbock? I don't know. But I'm focused more about Daws' wellbeing than being fair and avoiding generalizations. A fan base said these things about him. The fan base associates itself with TT basketball which is in Lubbock. As far as I know a fan base, a sports program and Lubbock are not protected categories. But racist statements made against a basketball player is flat out discrimination and a hostile environment. A group of people did that. And I am willing to bet the group of people did the same to Jaylon.

I also said Lubbock and El Paso might be in a different world from Dallas or Houston, to specifically point out that Texas is not one and the same. Dallas and Houston are incredibly diverse and multicultural, and I was noting the contrast.

Anyway, not sure if I've misread what you've said in this thread, but it's easy to just say how could we say these things as Cal grads and that we were taught to be tolerant. Who can disagree with that? You're missing the part about 2 of our basketball players came from a basketball program that allowed racial hate to persist in this day and age. And their fan base and community has double downed on it.

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KoreAmBear said:

HKBear97! said:

OdontoBear66 said:

KoreAmBear said:

OdontoBear66 said:

KoreAmBear said:

bearister said:

KenBurnski said:

I've been astonished with how bitter and horrible the Texas Tech fanbase has been toward Fardaws and Tyson on PUBLIC social media comments. Don't even want to imagine the horrible **** they've been receiving in private message. I hope that school loses every game it plays in every sport for the rest of time.


That is why I laugh when Texas is portrayed as Nirvana and lots of people are leaving California to live there. Even if it was nice, you would still have to put up with a$$h@le Texans.

When I was young and traveling in Mexico and Europe, I can't tell you how many times I was embarrassed to be an American abroad when a group of those drunk, arrogant, ignorant and uncouth pieces of sh@it would roll into a hotel, restaurant or bar and start throwing their weight around. It comes as no surprise to me that they have yet to evolve.


I'd say Lubbock and El Paso (I wonder if the kid was a UTEP fan) are in a different world than Dallas or Houston.
Then again it may have been a local young man from South OC which I hope not. But unless there is confirmation I think some of you are going too far with certain assumptions. I've never lived anywhere but California, but to assume we are superior in thought process and education is questionable at best.



Not about intellect but culture. Just look up the shocking things Texas Tech fans have said about Daws and I would not be surprised about them doing this to Tyson as well. Every area, community and fan base has their quotient of racists and meat heads, but from what Daws was experiencing after he left TT that just seemed shocking people would be like that for basketball. So my impression of Lubbock and fans of TT was not positive. Now if it was these local OC high school students riding Daws at the game, they have their own cultural issues to address.
I hear you, but group think and group speak are what is so so wrong in our society today. Yes, you can make "some" generalizations, but be very careful. I can think of so many circumstances where there is bad danger there.



Seriously! The stereotyping from supposed Cal grads on here has been embarrassing. My Cal education taught me curiosity and how to appreciate the world around us in all shapes and forms. Our world and the people in it are incredibly diverse and unique, so generalizations are ridiculous and idiotic. Sadly it seems not all Cal grads had the same experience I did.

Hold on there if you are casting a wide net here to include my comments. My response was mostly to address the hateful statements (these are facts not allegations) made about Daws after he left TT, made in public by TT fans. Racist comments he's had to endure. It was shocking that this would be allowed anywhere. I don't think it's a stretch to say the culture allowed for it. Maybe it's Lubbock? I don't know. But I'm focused more about Daws' wellbeing than being fair and avoiding generalizations. A fan base said these things about him. The fan base associates itself with TT basketball which is in Lubbock. As far as I know a fan base, a sports program and Lubbock are not protected categories. But racist statements made against a basketball player is flat out discrimination and a hostile environment. A group of people did that. And I am willing to bet the group of people did the same to Jaylon.

I also said Lubbock and El Paso might be in a different world from Dallas or Houston, to specifically point out that Texas is not one and the same. Dallas and Houston are incredibly diverse and multicultural, and I was noting the contrast.

Anyway, not sure if I've misread what you've said in this thread, but it's easy to just say how could we say these things as Cal grads and that we were taught to be tolerant. Who can disagree with that? You're missing the part about 2 of our basketball players came from a basketball program that allowed racial hate to persist in this day and age. And their fan base and community has double downed on it.


I totally agree with your post with exception to the middle paragraph and that was my point. When you imply or point the finger at one group (I assume white, rural non diverse, non multicultural people) it can be dangerous. Because without your diversity and cultural backgrounds they can be good, or often very bad, people. You just cannot group like that. You are doing in that paragraph exactly what the entire rest of your post says you should not do. Think about it. It goes both ways, and that is what is causing so much anger in our society today.
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OdontoBear66 said:

KoreAmBear said:

HKBear97! said:

OdontoBear66 said:

KoreAmBear said:

OdontoBear66 said:

KoreAmBear said:

bearister said:

KenBurnski said:

I've been astonished with how bitter and horrible the Texas Tech fanbase has been toward Fardaws and Tyson on PUBLIC social media comments. Don't even want to imagine the horrible **** they've been receiving in private message. I hope that school loses every game it plays in every sport for the rest of time.


That is why I laugh when Texas is portrayed as Nirvana and lots of people are leaving California to live there. Even if it was nice, you would still have to put up with a$$h@le Texans.

When I was young and traveling in Mexico and Europe, I can't tell you how many times I was embarrassed to be an American abroad when a group of those drunk, arrogant, ignorant and uncouth pieces of sh@it would roll into a hotel, restaurant or bar and start throwing their weight around. It comes as no surprise to me that they have yet to evolve.


I'd say Lubbock and El Paso (I wonder if the kid was a UTEP fan) are in a different world than Dallas or Houston.
Then again it may have been a local young man from South OC which I hope not. But unless there is confirmation I think some of you are going too far with certain assumptions. I've never lived anywhere but California, but to assume we are superior in thought process and education is questionable at best.



Not about intellect but culture. Just look up the shocking things Texas Tech fans have said about Daws and I would not be surprised about them doing this to Tyson as well. Every area, community and fan base has their quotient of racists and meat heads, but from what Daws was experiencing after he left TT that just seemed shocking people would be like that for basketball. So my impression of Lubbock and fans of TT was not positive. Now if it was these local OC high school students riding Daws at the game, they have their own cultural issues to address.
I hear you, but group think and group speak are what is so so wrong in our society today. Yes, you can make "some" generalizations, but be very careful. I can think of so many circumstances where there is bad danger there.



Seriously! The stereotyping from supposed Cal grads on here has been embarrassing. My Cal education taught me curiosity and how to appreciate the world around us in all shapes and forms. Our world and the people in it are incredibly diverse and unique, so generalizations are ridiculous and idiotic. Sadly it seems not all Cal grads had the same experience I did.

Hold on there if you are casting a wide net here to include my comments. My response was mostly to address the hateful statements (these are facts not allegations) made about Daws after he left TT, made in public by TT fans. Racist comments he's had to endure. It was shocking that this would be allowed anywhere. I don't think it's a stretch to say the culture allowed for it. Maybe it's Lubbock? I don't know. But I'm focused more about Daws' wellbeing than being fair and avoiding generalizations. A fan base said these things about him. The fan base associates itself with TT basketball which is in Lubbock. As far as I know a fan base, a sports program and Lubbock are not protected categories. But racist statements made against a basketball player is flat out discrimination and a hostile environment. A group of people did that. And I am willing to bet the group of people did the same to Jaylon.

I also said Lubbock and El Paso might be in a different world from Dallas or Houston, to specifically point out that Texas is not one and the same. Dallas and Houston are incredibly diverse and multicultural, and I was noting the contrast.

Anyway, not sure if I've misread what you've said in this thread, but it's easy to just say how could we say these things as Cal grads and that we were taught to be tolerant. Who can disagree with that? You're missing the part about 2 of our basketball players came from a basketball program that allowed racial hate to persist in this day and age. And their fan base and community has double downed on it.


I totally agree with your post with exception to the middle paragraph and that was my point. When you imply or point the finger at one group (I assume white, rural non diverse, non multicultural people) it can be dangerous. Because without your diversity and cultural backgrounds they can be good, or often very bad, people. You just cannot group like that. You are doing in that paragraph exactly what the entire rest of your post says you should not do. Think about it. It goes both ways, and that is what is causing so much anger in our society today.
I hear you OB66. Actually I don't know that Lubbock or El Paso are predominantly white. It would expect a good amount of a Hispanic population. I am not sure why saying Dallas and Houston are different than Lubbock and El Paso causes you concern, which is all I said. It's just facts in terms of a multicultural area and diversity of opinion and perspectives.

Yes, agreed each individual is accountable for themselves and their conduct is their own. I have been to Alabama and Texas and loved it. That doesn't mean that I am blind to the fact that there was a fan base that basically went off with hate speech on two college kids. Ones that we now support, back and protect. Not saying anyone is superior, but if this happened in our Cal sports community, I like to think we would denounce it and shut that down rather quickly. If someone did that who professed to be a Cal fan or associated with Cal, this would be the real embarrassment.
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KoreAmBear said:

OdontoBear66 said:

KoreAmBear said:

HKBear97! said:

OdontoBear66 said:

KoreAmBear said:

OdontoBear66 said:

KoreAmBear said:

bearister said:

KenBurnski said:

I've been astonished with how bitter and horrible the Texas Tech fanbase has been toward Fardaws and Tyson on PUBLIC social media comments. Don't even want to imagine the horrible **** they've been receiving in private message. I hope that school loses every game it plays in every sport for the rest of time.


That is why I laugh when Texas is portrayed as Nirvana and lots of people are leaving California to live there. Even if it was nice, you would still have to put up with a$$h@le Texans.

When I was young and traveling in Mexico and Europe, I can't tell you how many times I was embarrassed to be an American abroad when a group of those drunk, arrogant, ignorant and uncouth pieces of sh@it would roll into a hotel, restaurant or bar and start throwing their weight around. It comes as no surprise to me that they have yet to evolve.


I'd say Lubbock and El Paso (I wonder if the kid was a UTEP fan) are in a different world than Dallas or Houston.
Then again it may have been a local young man from South OC which I hope not. But unless there is confirmation I think some of you are going too far with certain assumptions. I've never lived anywhere but California, but to assume we are superior in thought process and education is questionable at best.



Not about intellect but culture. Just look up the shocking things Texas Tech fans have said about Daws and I would not be surprised about them doing this to Tyson as well. Every area, community and fan base has their quotient of racists and meat heads, but from what Daws was experiencing after he left TT that just seemed shocking people would be like that for basketball. So my impression of Lubbock and fans of TT was not positive. Now if it was these local OC high school students riding Daws at the game, they have their own cultural issues to address.
I hear you, but group think and group speak are what is so so wrong in our society today. Yes, you can make "some" generalizations, but be very careful. I can think of so many circumstances where there is bad danger there.



Seriously! The stereotyping from supposed Cal grads on here has been embarrassing. My Cal education taught me curiosity and how to appreciate the world around us in all shapes and forms. Our world and the people in it are incredibly diverse and unique, so generalizations are ridiculous and idiotic. Sadly it seems not all Cal grads had the same experience I did.

Hold on there if you are casting a wide net here to include my comments. My response was mostly to address the hateful statements (these are facts not allegations) made about Daws after he left TT, made in public by TT fans. Racist comments he's had to endure. It was shocking that this would be allowed anywhere. I don't think it's a stretch to say the culture allowed for it. Maybe it's Lubbock? I don't know. But I'm focused more about Daws' wellbeing than being fair and avoiding generalizations. A fan base said these things about him. The fan base associates itself with TT basketball which is in Lubbock. As far as I know a fan base, a sports program and Lubbock are not protected categories. But racist statements made against a basketball player is flat out discrimination and a hostile environment. A group of people did that. And I am willing to bet the group of people did the same to Jaylon.

I also said Lubbock and El Paso might be in a different world from Dallas or Houston, to specifically point out that Texas is not one and the same. Dallas and Houston are incredibly diverse and multicultural, and I was noting the contrast.

Anyway, not sure if I've misread what you've said in this thread, but it's easy to just say how could we say these things as Cal grads and that we were taught to be tolerant. Who can disagree with that? You're missing the part about 2 of our basketball players came from a basketball program that allowed racial hate to persist in this day and age. And their fan base and community has double downed on it.


I totally agree with your post with exception to the middle paragraph and that was my point. When you imply or point the finger at one group (I assume white, rural non diverse, non multicultural people) it can be dangerous. Because without your diversity and cultural backgrounds they can be good, or often very bad, people. You just cannot group like that. You are doing in that paragraph exactly what the entire rest of your post says you should not do. Think about it. It goes both ways, and that is what is causing so much anger in our society today.
I hear you OB66. Actually I don't know that Lubbock or El Paso are predominantly white. It would expect a good amount of a Hispanic population. I am not sure why saying Dallas and Houston are different than Lubbock and El Paso causes you concern, which is all I said. It's just facts in terms of a multicultural area and diversity of opinion and perspectives.

Yes, agreed each individual is accountable for themselves and their conduct is their own. I have been to Alabama and Texas and loved it. That doesn't mean that I am blind to the fact that there was a fan base that basically went off with hate speech on two college kids. Ones that we now support, back and protect. Not saying anyone is superior, but if this happened in our Cal sports community, I like to think we would denounce it and shut that down rather quickly. If someone did that who professed to be a Cal fan or associated with Cal, this would be the real embarrassment.
Absolutely.
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Another consideration: I see a difference between making fun of an athletic opponent and attacking groups of people I don't know. Of course I have to be careful that I hit only the intended target and that what I think is fun isn't perceived as something drastically different. And I don't always get it right.
 
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