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At today's media availability after practice, Madsen mentioned that Askew has a foot injury that would keep him out probably six weeks or more and that he's going to shut it down and seek a medical redshirt.

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Any rough time frame Bowser and Okofor are out? Thank you for posting.

KoreAmBear said:

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MoragaBear said:

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At today's media availability after practice, Madsen mentioned that Askew has a foot injury that would keep him out probably six weeks or more and that he's going to shut it down and seek a medical redshirt.

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I feel bad for him, but from what I see he's a tough kid and this long basketball journey that he is on will prove helpful as he continues to mature. I already see how he talks to the players like he is mentoring them. I didn't see too much of that last year. Get well Devin, and better days ahead.

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This is his 4th year of school. Most likely he gets a Cal degree this year and is a possible grad transfer.

He has played for a lot of coaches, getting a grad degree on top of his Cal degree and thinking about going into coaching is smart, even if his playing days are not over yet.

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concernedparent said:

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ducky23 said:

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Askew, Celestine, Tyson (god willing) and brown is not an awful nucleus to build off of for next year. Hopefully we can bring in 1 high impact frosh and a couple portals.

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I think Tyson is NBA bound at this rate. I don't think there are 30 guys worth picking over him. He would need to have a national player of the year type season to boost his stock if he came back. His athleticism really stands out, obviously on the team, but even against UCLA and other high major opponents. He's always been able to shoot. He's an incredible rebounder from the wing and gets a lot of scrappy points that way. He projects as a good defender. Now this year he's showing this year he can create his own shot and even set up his teammates to some extent.

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I think it's very possible he declares for the draft but I doubt he's a first rounder (I haven't seen a single mock with him in the first). Remember drafts are different nowadays. Almost half the draft are international/G league guys. So to get drafted in the 1st (as a college player) you basically have to be a top 15 college prospect.

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I get it. I think he will be a first rounder despite possibly not projecting there now. I think he will grow on people during workouts. I also think the draft has started to swing back in the direction of production with players like Jaime Jacquez and Julian Strawther. It will be interesting.

ducky23 said:

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Askew, Celestine, Tyson (god willing) and brown is not an awful nucleus to build off of for next year. Hopefully we can bring in 1 high impact frosh and a couple portals.

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Agreed. And Celestine, another year from surgery, I imagine will show additional growth. Pre-surgery he looked like he had a ton of potential.

curious so I looked on one mock draft and was surprised to see Colorado has the #1 projected pick and 3 draft picks overall. What's up with that?

Also, I commented that Stanford was ALOT better than last year primarily because of their PG. I see in the mock draft he is a lottery pick at #11 !!!

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concernedparent said:

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ducky23 said:

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Askew, Celestine, Tyson (god willing) and brown is not an awful nucleus to build off of for next year. Hopefully we can bring in 1 high impact frosh and a couple portals.

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I think Tyson is NBA bound at this rate. I don't think there are 30 guys worth picking over him. He would need to have a national player of the year type season to boost his stock if he came back. His athleticism really stands out, obviously on the team, but even against UCLA and other high major opponents. He's always been able to shoot. He's an incredible rebounder from the wing and gets a lot of scrappy points that way. He projects as a good defender. Now this year he's showing this year he can create his own shot and even set up his teammates to some extent.

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I'm not so sure that he is an NBA lock. He is a very good college player right now. I have enjoyed watching him!!
However, he is 6'6 210. There are tons of players around the country at that size who can score. G-League is full of those guys. He is very loose with the ball, tons of turnovers. He is not lights out from 3. He is scrappy. At his weight and height he can get bulldozed in the League I imagine.
He needs more bulk, a more deadly outside shot, and a tighter handle with the ball, in my humble opinion.

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He is not perfect. He needs to shoot more consistently. He turns the ball over too much, more turnovers than assists. But that is partly because the team offense is dysfunctional. I don't think he will get bullied as he is sturdy and is a perimeter player. Lots of guys can score, but I don't think many are as good off the dribble or so good with both hands. He also seems like he is very smart. Note how he plays the passing lanes and gets lots of steals. I think he will have a nice NBA career if he finds his shot, which I think he will.

It is so hard predicting NBA success for most players. Ed Gray was the best offensive player I saw at Cal. He was awarded the 1997 Pac-10 Player of the Year during his senior season at Cal averaging 24.8 ppg. He was pick # 22 in the 1st Round of the NBA Draft and out of the league in 3 years.

I never predicted Jaylen Brown's success. At Cal he had poor handles and an inconsistent outside shot. You could see he had explosive quickness. Now he is All World with the best contract in the NBA.

Tyson has a better offensive game than Jaylen Brown had at Cal. But it appears if Jaylen stayed in college as long as Tyson has he would have had the better offensive game of the two. Cuonzo certainly had no clue how to coach up Brown.

This started as an Askew thread. To respect Askew could we start a new thread for Tyson's NBA prospects?

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It is so hard predicting NBA success for most players. Ed Gray was the best offensive player I saw at Cal. He was awarded the 1997 Pac-10 Player of the Year during his senior season at Cal averaging 24.8 ppg. He was pick # 22 in the 1st Round of the NBA Draft and out of the league in 3 years.

I never predicted Jaylen Brown's success. At Cal he had poor handles and an inconsistent outside shot. You could see he had explosive quickness. Now he is All World with the best contract in the NBA.

Tyson has a better offensive game that Jaylen Brown had at Cal. But it appears if Jaylen stayed in college as long as Tyson has he would have had the better offensive game of the two. Cuonzo certainly had no clue how to coach up Brown.

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I was completely sold on Jaylen as a NBA player given his lone year at Cal. I remember telling people (including random strangers at bars) to watch out for him and that he was going to make waves in the NBA. He had untapped potential, a strong work ethic, drive, and smarts. With his athleticism and build, he was a shoo-in NBA player.

From watching Jaylon Tyson play, I think he can catch on with a NBA team. That said, he needs to work on his defense and improve his 3-point percentage. He lacks Jaylen Brown's raw athleticism, but he's most likely to be a 3 and D guy in the Association, not a primary (or even secondary) ball handler. If he can tighten up his handles as well, that will give him an added dimension to exploit at the next level.

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This started as an Askew thread. To respect Askew could we start a new thread for Tyson's NBA prospects?

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I made him his own avatar. Is there any higher form of respect that can be paid?

Let me throw my 4 cents worth in regarding all the comments on this thread.

Like everyone else my best wishes go to Devin Askew. Regardless of both his strengths and weakness, we've seen enough of him to know that when he is on the court he always gives maximum effort. Almost to a fault, it might be the reason he's had so many injury issues.

Agree 100% with Bearister. After watching this team for almost 60 years, if ever there was a player at Cal who displayed NBA excellence at the college level, it was Ed Gray. On offense the guy could do EVERYTHING, shoot, drive, float, the whole package. How he failed in the NBA is a mystery to me.

If Jared Bynum is the point guard that Hoop Dreams was referring to, based on my admittedly limited time evaluation of him, I am not over impressed. Real good player, but not consistent enough for the NBA.

Finally, I think JT is every bit as athletic as JB, but at this stage does not possess the literal strength that J Brown had when he was here. On the flip side, JT is more skilled offensively right now than JB ever was his one year here. Selfishly, I hope Tyson sticks around another year to polish and fine tune his game. In the meantime, lets beat the Buffs tonight!

ducky23 said:

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concernedparent said:

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ducky23 said:

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Askew, Celestine, Tyson (god willing) and brown is not an awful nucleus to build off of for next year. Hopefully we can bring in 1 high impact frosh and a couple portals.

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I think Tyson is NBA bound at this rate. I don't think there are 30 guys worth picking over him. He would need to have a national player of the year type season to boost his stock if he came back. His athleticism really stands out, obviously on the team, but even against UCLA and other high major opponents. He's always been able to shoot. He's an incredible rebounder from the wing and gets a lot of scrappy points that way. He projects as a good defender. Now this year he's showing this year he can create his own shot and even set up his teammates to some extent.

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I think it's very possible he declares for the draft but I doubt he's a first rounder (I haven't seen a single mock with him in the first). Remember drafts are different nowadays. Almost half the draft are international/G league guys. So to get drafted in the 1st (as a college player) you basically have to be a top 15 college prospect.

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We're only half way through the season and he's playing on a losing team that nobody cares about nationally; he had little hype coming in before the season because he was a role player at Tech. Amateur pundits are not onto him yet but they will be. The stats are there and when you break down the film he projects as a very versatile and coveted type of player (3 and D wing) that will test pretty well. He might not have future all-star written on him but if you have a late 1st and or 2nd round pick, getting a guy who can plug in and play some end of rotation minutes with some potential upside is about as good as you can hope for.

RedlessWardrobe said:

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Let me throw my 4 cents worth in regarding all the comments on this thread.

Like everyone else my best wishes go to Devin Askew. Regardless of both his strengths and weakness, we've seen enough of him to know that when he is on the court he always gives maximum effort. Almost to a fault, it might be the reason he's had so many injury issues.

Agree 100% with Bearister. After watching this team for almost 60 years, if ever there was a player at Cal who displayed NBA excellence at the college level, it was Ed Gray. On offense the guy could do EVERYTHING, shoot, drive, float, the whole package. How he failed in the NBA is a mystery to me.

If Jared Bynum is the point guard that Hoop Dreams was referring to, based on my admittedly limited time evaluation of him, I am not over impressed. Real good player, but not consistent enough for the NBA.

Finally, I think JT is every bit as athletic as JB, but at this stage does not possess the literal strength that J Brown had when he was here. On the flip side, JT is more skilled offensively right now than JB ever was his one year here. Selfishly, I hope Tyson sticks around another year to polish and fine tune his game. In the meantime, lets beat the Buffs tonight!

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Except that Gray didn't defend or make others around him better. There is a reason the team played its best basketball after he was injured.

"How he failed in the NBA is a mystery to me."

An NBA executive told me it was a physical fitness issue.

Civil Bear said:

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There is a reason the team played its best basketball after he was injured.

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You mean like the time he had 48 points in 25 minutes vs the Cougars and then broke his foot?


On His 45th Birthday, We Relive Ed Gray's 48-Point Spree vs. WSU in 1997 - Sports Illustrated Cal Bears News, Analysis and More


https://www.si.com/college/cal/basketball/ed-gray-scores-48-points

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"How he failed in the NBA is a mystery to me."
An NBA executive told me it was a physical fitness issue.

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I googled because I remember some off court issues. It is mentioned that he was suspended indefinitely as a rookie for missing medical appointments. Hmm.

He was a little short for an NBA two guard. And the NBA was not so open and focused on the three point shot. He would be better now than then. If Rabb and Gray could have switched eras, it would have helped both of them.

Yeah, if you're gonna be an NBA shooting guard at 6-2 or 6-3, there's not a lot of margin for error. You need to be in the right system with teammates that compliment your skill set, stay injury-free, etc. Most every NBA roster has 1-2 players who can guard a guy like that pretty well; not so in college.

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Let me throw my 4 cents worth in regarding all the comments on this thread.

Like everyone else my best wishes go to Devin Askew. Regardless of both his strengths and weakness, we've seen enough of him to know that when he is on the court he always gives maximum effort. Almost to a fault, it might be the reason he's had so many injury issues.

Agree 100% with Bearister. After watching this team for almost 60 years, if ever there was a player at Cal who displayed NBA excellence at the college level, it was Ed Gray. On offense the guy could do EVERYTHING, shoot, drive, float, the whole package. How he failed in the NBA is a mystery to me.

If Jared Bynum is the point guard that Hoop Dreams was referring to, based on my admittedly limited time evaluation of him, I am not over impressed. Real good player, but not consistent enough for the NBA.

Finally, I think JT is every bit as athletic as JB, but at this stage does not possess the literal strength that J Brown had when he was here. On the flip side, JT is more skilled offensively right now than JB ever was his one year here. Selfishly, I hope Tyson sticks around another year to polish and fine tune his game. In the meantime, lets beat the Buffs tonight!

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Except that Gray didn't defend or make others around him better. There is a reason the team played its best basketball after he was injured.

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For the sake of discussion, the Bears went 4-2 after Gray's injury. I know, three of those games were against teams in the NCAA tournament so that is to be considered.
But to discount Ed Gray's 24.8 points per game average by saying his defense was bad or that he didn't "make others around him better" sounds a bit on the cliche side to me. I mean, he was voted the freakin' Pac 12 Player of the Year that season. I'm sure that the vast majority of us here that remember that '97 team would have preferred that the Bears' had him playing in the tournament. Some have even suggested that with him playing a final four would have been reached. Just sayin.

He was an unstoppable whirling dervish of scoring madness.

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Civil Bear said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Let me throw my 4 cents worth in regarding all the comments on this thread.

Like everyone else my best wishes go to Devin Askew. Regardless of both his strengths and weakness, we've seen enough of him to know that when he is on the court he always gives maximum effort. Almost to a fault, it might be the reason he's had so many injury issues.

Agree 100% with Bearister. After watching this team for almost 60 years, if ever there was a player at Cal who displayed NBA excellence at the college level, it was Ed Gray. On offense the guy could do EVERYTHING, shoot, drive, float, the whole package. How he failed in the NBA is a mystery to me.

If Jared Bynum is the point guard that Hoop Dreams was referring to, based on my admittedly limited time evaluation of him, I am not over impressed. Real good player, but not consistent enough for the NBA.

Finally, I think JT is every bit as athletic as JB, but at this stage does not possess the literal strength that J Brown had when he was here. On the flip side, JT is more skilled offensively right now than JB ever was his one year here. Selfishly, I hope Tyson sticks around another year to polish and fine tune his game. In the meantime, lets beat the Buffs tonight!

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Except that Gray didn't defend or make others around him better. There is a reason the team played its best basketball after he was injured.

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For the sake of discussion, the Bears went 4-2 after Gray's injury. I know, three of those games were against teams in the NCAA tournament so that is to be considered.
But to discount Ed Gray's 24.8 points per game average by saying his defense was bad or that he didn't "make others around him better" sounds a bit on the cliche side to me. I mean, he was voted the freakin' Pac 12 Player of the Year that season. I'm sure that the vast majority of us here that remember that '97 team would have preferred that the Bears' had him playing in the tournament. Some have even suggested that with him playing a final four would have been reached. Just sayin.

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You can also add a win against a fourth tourney team, the eventual National Champions Arizona to that list. With him playing his best game, the Bears couldn't beat 8th-place Wasu. Just sayin.

ducky23 said:

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This is craziness to suggest cal was better without Ed gray. They absolutely needed his scoring ability, especially against UNC

And who cares if he couldn't defend. Randy duck was good enough to defend his man and Ed gray's man at the same time

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It may be crazy, but there is no denying Cal was playing its best basketball of the season after his injury. If they continued the status quo at the time of his injury they may never have had the opportunity to go against UNC.

Civil Bear said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Civil Bear said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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Let me throw my 4 cents worth in regarding all the comments on this thread.

Like everyone else my best wishes go to Devin Askew. Regardless of both his strengths and weakness, we've seen enough of him to know that when he is on the court he always gives maximum effort. Almost to a fault, it might be the reason he's had so many injury issues.

Agree 100% with Bearister. After watching this team for almost 60 years, if ever there was a player at Cal who displayed NBA excellence at the college level, it was Ed Gray. On offense the guy could do EVERYTHING, shoot, drive, float, the whole package. How he failed in the NBA is a mystery to me.

If Jared Bynum is the point guard that Hoop Dreams was referring to, based on my admittedly limited time evaluation of him, I am not over impressed. Real good player, but not consistent enough for the NBA.

Finally, I think JT is every bit as athletic as JB, but at this stage does not possess the literal strength that J Brown had when he was here. On the flip side, JT is more skilled offensively right now than JB ever was his one year here. Selfishly, I hope Tyson sticks around another year to polish and fine tune his game. In the meantime, lets beat the Buffs tonight!

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Except that Gray didn't defend or make others around him better. There is a reason the team played its best basketball after he was injured.

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For the sake of discussion, the Bears went 4-2 after Gray's injury. I know, three of those games were against teams in the NCAA tournament so that is to be considered.
But to discount Ed Gray's 24.8 points per game average by saying his defense was bad or that he didn't "make others around him better" sounds a bit on the cliche side to me. I mean, he was voted the freakin' Pac 12 Player of the Year that season. I'm sure that the vast majority of us here that remember that '97 team would have preferred that the Bears' had him playing in the tournament. Some have even suggested that with him playing a final four would have been reached. Just sayin.

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You can also add a win against a fourth tourney team, the eventual National Champions Arizona to that list. With him playing his best game, the Bears couldn't beat 8th-place Wasu. Just sayin.

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Right. Take out Ed's 48 and replace him with a better defender and assist guy and we beat WSU. Come on. If we're going to use that logic by being that selective , we beat Furd with Ed and lost to them without him. Gee, kind of surprised that his negative effect on the team didn't cause Ben to cut down on his minutes. I am saying.

*On the left side of the photo is the notorious Cal hating ref Richie Ballesteros. He woke up in the morning angry at the Bears. My buddy used to yell at him during games, "Hey Richie! Every hair looks perfect!"

The only other ref that hated Cal more was Dave Libbey.

The ref I despised was Ernie Filiberti. One I actually liked was Charlie Range, whose niece Courtney Range was later a star on our women's team.