sycasey said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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sycasey said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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Notice sy doesn't answer the. Question

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I didn't realize that was a requirement for every post in this thread.

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true that, my bad

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As for Grand Canyon U, I'd need to look more into it, but I think there's a case for the idea that for-profit schools shouldn't be in the NCAA. Especially in the NIL era they will be playing a different game.

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See..this is what i was trying to get at. I also have very little idea on how for profit schools operate. And I should've really phrased my question differently. But what I'm really curious about is whether "for profit" schools somehow have an inherent advantage in the age of NIL.

And if they do, we should be trying to emulate whatever they're doing (to the extent we can).

They also showed Jerry Colangelo in the stands and supposedly has some influence in the basketball program. Not a bad person to have on your side when developing a program. Has done it in NBA, MLB, USA basketball.

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bluehenbear said:

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I know it's old news already, but Samford really got jobbed by the refs. Probably get a no call if they weren't playing kansass

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Has Stanford ever played Samford? It would be a Furd vs Furd Lite contest, so to speak.

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right? It's so close spelling wise I just hope they lose.

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They also showed Jerry Colangelo in the stands and supposedly has some influence in the basketball program. Not a bad person to have on your side when developing a program. Has done it in NBA, MLB, USA basketball.

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did not see that, but yes, he's someone to be reckoned with

Colorado beat Florida, Oakland Grizzlies beat Kentucky and Yale beat Auburn!

Cougars' game starting out at a 6th grade CYO scoring pace.

Bodes well for the cougs

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All PAC teams win. Let's see if the SEC lasts past today.

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Both our conferences, P12 and ACC, still undefeated as of now, something like 9-0. Several games in progress.

WSU fell to 2 seed Iowa St., NCSt on the verge of being upset by the upstart Grizzlies...

Creighton shows how you win games, especially in NCAA tournament and OT: make your free throws.

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Creighton shows how you win games, especially in NCAA tournament and OT: make your free throws.

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This is the #1 indicator of success, imo. We should never recruit anyone who can't shoot at least 75% from the line. They're FREE throws!

bearsandgiants said:

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kirklandblue said:

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Creighton shows how you win games, especially in NCAA tournament and OT: make your free throws.

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This is the #1 indicator of success, imo. We should never recruit anyone who can't shoot at least 75% from the line. They're FREE throws!

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I know you mean to be taken seriously, but perhaps not literally. Still...

Jason Kidd's FT% in college:

Freshman year: 67%
Sophomore year: 69%

NBA:

1st season: 70%
2nd season 69%
3rd season: 67%
4th season: 69%


(After that, he did figure out that he was leaving money on the table, fixed his shooting, and shot free throws a lot better.)

Big C said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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kirklandblue said:

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Creighton shows how you win games, especially in NCAA tournament and OT: make your free throws.

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This is the #1 indicator of success, imo. We should never recruit anyone who can't shoot at least 75% from the line. They're FREE throws!

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I know you mean to be taken seriously, but perhaps not literally. Still...

Jason Kidd's FT% in college:

Freshman year: 67%
Sophomore year: 69%

NBA:

1st season: 70%
2nd season 69%
3rd season: 67%
4th season: 69%


(After that, he did figure out that he was leaving money on the table, fixed his shooting, and shot free throws a lot better.)

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If we can recruit Kidds who would otherwise go straight to the NBA, those can be exceptions.

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bearsandgiants said:

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He almost tossed his eleventh in with one hand, spinning and launching it like a top. Barely rimmed out. This team is so exciting. Plus, they're "golden bears" to boot, even though they go with Grizzlies, which is what the Cal bear is, anyway.

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The record is held by Jeff Fryer of LMU at 12. Hank Gathers was on that team. I watched as many games as I could catch on ESPN. No D, all outlet passes to players already in cherry picking position down court. Team averaged 122.4 PPG in 1990.

Bo Kimble, Hank Gathers, Jeff Fryer

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That was an amazing run!
Even more amazing was that Hank wasn't on the team when Fryer shot all those!
Possibly the biggest run by an underdog. At least in terms of emotional impact.

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Antelopes playing like whirling dervishes

Refs giving them a lot of steps and gaels not going the the line.

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this st Mary's game is nuts. Is Grand Canyon a college?

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I think Grand Canyon is like the online Phoenix University, except they also have God and a Basketball team.
It gives them a better student body identity.

I heard after the game, 90,000 online students.
Enrollment will double after that one win, and the student-athletes get???
Wait for it….
Room and board.

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BearSD said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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bluehenbear said:

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Antelopes playing like whirling dervishes

Refs giving them a lot of steps and gaels not going the the line.

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this st Mary's game is nuts. Is Grand Canyon a college?

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It's a for-profit degree mill.

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Ok someone needs to explain this whole Grand Canyon thing cause it's so perplexing to me (call me outdated if you want)

- what exactly is a for profit college. Who is profiting? Is it owned by corporations? Shareholders?

- how is Grand Canyon able to afford to bring in so many transfers? Do they have NIL? Where is it coming from?

- why do they have so many fans? How did all these students afford to travel to Spokane?

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Hahaha.
Those are great questions, if only intended as cynical conversation starters.

It's all about the image, right ?

I imagine the percentage of MAGA Trumpists at GC is high.

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BearSD said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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bluehenbear said:

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Antelopes playing like whirling dervishes

Refs giving them a lot of steps and gaels not going the the line.

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this st Mary's game is nuts. Is Grand Canyon a college?

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It's a for-profit degree mill.

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Ok someone needs to explain this whole Grand Canyon thing cause it's so perplexing to me (call me outdated if you want)

- what exactly is a for profit college. Who is profiting? Is it owned by corporations? Shareholders?

- how is Grand Canyon able to afford to bring in so many transfers? Do they have NIL? Where is it coming from?

- why do they have so many fans? How did all these students afford to travel to Spokane?

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I'm not an expert on these things, but I'll give it a shot.

Grand Canyon Education, Inc. is a for-profit corporation publicly traded on the NASDAQ exchange, stock symbol LOPE. (The university team's mascot is the Antelopes, or "Lopes".) Several years after beginning operations as a for-profit company, they started trying to get around the for-profit issue, because the regulations for nonprofit colleges are less rigorous. They created a separate nonprofit entity that they say is the actual university, and they claim it is separate from the for-profit corporation, which they now say just provides all of the services and infrastructure to the university (in exchange for very hefty fees funneled from the university entity back into Grand Canyon Education, Inc.) The Department of Education doesn't buy the corporate shell game and classifies GCU as a for-profit institution. Among other things, the same person serves as both CEO of Grand Canyon Education, Inc. and president of the university.

How can they afford transfers, or NIL, or sending lots of their students to Spokane for March Madness? I don't know where the money for those things specifically comes from, but they say they have well over 100,000 students including 92,000 studying online, and all paying private-school tuition. Grand Canyon Education, Inc. has a market cap of about $4 billion. So, there shouldn't be much problem financing those things if they want to do that.

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Excellent.
Thank you.

What other schools fall into this category?

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That's fascinating, thank you

If Grand Canyon actually paid all those students to go to Spokane, that was a stroke of genius. I couldn't imagine a more effective commercial than all of those camera shots of their students going crazy and having the time of their lives. If I'm 17, sign me up.

I don't really know the NIL rules, but could a for profit college just pay student athletes directly and just circumvent the need for any collective?

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You just described the ncaa.
Except it's cloaked.

Create fan hype, pay players (under the table) charge big tuition, Administrators pocket the profits.

Ncaa sports isn't about human development as much as it is about profits.

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GCU looked like a g league team out there. Such a mismatch in athleticism and length.

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well., apparently in the long run NIL will benefit cal because we have this incredible pent up wealth just itching to find a home….In the mean time we just need to deal with the GCU's of the world.

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Graduates are too busy trying to afford California real estate.

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Mahaney went off too late

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No. The setup you're looking for is "premature". She'd LOVE it if he went off late.

This is especially a major consideration for the youngins.

ducky23 said:

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sycasey said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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sycasey said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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Notice sy doesn't answer the. Question

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I didn't realize that was a requirement for every post in this thread.

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true that, my bad

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As for Grand Canyon U, I'd need to look more into it, but I think there's a case for the idea that for-profit schools shouldn't be in the NCAA. Especially in the NIL era they will be playing a different game.

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See..this is what i was trying to get at. I also have very little idea on how for profit schools operate. And I should've really phrased my question differently. But what I'm really curious about is whether "for profit" schools somehow have an inherent advantage in the age of NIL.

And if they do, we should be trying to emulate whatever they're doing (to the extent we can).

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Does it matter if you are profit vs nonprofit?
Just create the budget for these expenses and get them approved.

Not that I think this is what universities should be doing - acting as pro sports teams. Yet, this has already been the playing field for many many decades.

kirklandblue said:

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Creighton shows how you win games, especially in NCAA tournament and OT: make your free throws.

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Or have more than 2 scorers?

bearsandgiants said:

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kirklandblue said:

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Creighton shows how you win games, especially in NCAA tournament and OT: make your free throws.

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This is the #1 indicator of success, imo. We should never recruit anyone who can't shoot at least 75% from the line. They're FREE throws!

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That's why Shaq went to LSU. We turned him down.

Big C said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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kirklandblue said:

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Creighton shows how you win games, especially in NCAA tournament and OT: make your free throws.

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This is the #1 indicator of success, imo. We should never recruit anyone who can't shoot at least 75% from the line. They're FREE throws!

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I know you mean to be taken seriously, but perhaps not literally. Still...

Jason Kidd's FT% in college:

Freshman year: 67%
Sophomore year: 69%

NBA:

1st season: 70%
2nd season 69%
3rd season: 67%
4th season: 69%


(After that, he did figure out that he was leaving money on the table, fixed his shooting, and shot free throws a lot better.)

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Karl Malone's work ethic showed prominently in his formative years in the NBA, when he raised his free throw shooting percentage from below 50% to 75%. Wikipedia

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Mahaney went off too late

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No. The setup you're looking for is "premature". She'd LOVE it if he went off late.

This is especially a major consideration for the youngins.

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I was referring to cougars.

Need to rename this thread to "concordtoms musings". Love his spirit

Four ACC teams are in the sweet 16. Clemson tried very hard to choke today, but won anyway.

Arizona is the only ex-Pac team in the sweet 16.

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Four ACC teams are in the sweet 16. Clemson tried very hard to choke today, but won anyway.

Arizona is the only ex-Pac team in the sweet 16.

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Very impressive, considering the ACC started out with 5 teams, I believe they are 8-1 through the first 2 rounds.

Shout out to Purdue, which looks like a team of destiny and should handle the Zags with ease this week. Here's a post by Johnfox about Zach Edey I'm copying from a different thread about the transfer portal:
"Zach Edey cannot handle the ball or shoot the three. He is a traditional big. Raynaud can handle the ball and shoot the three. He is an NBA big. A year under Madsen and he can be a lottery pick."
We were comparing Edey and Stanford's Raynaud (I still think there is zero chance Raynaud would want to come to Cal).
But in terms of basketball this week, here's what we know:
Edey
2nd round game
8-11 FG for 23 points, 14 rebs, 3 blocks
1st round
11-17 FG for 30 points, 21 rebs, 3 blocks

Raynaud
1st and 2nd rounds
0-0 FG, 0 rebs, 0 blks, on couch, desperate for a call from someone who can save him from another stinker of a Stanford season.

So who exactly looks like an NBA center Johnfox? Seriously.
You heard it here first, Edey will be on the championship floor April 8, and may hoist a trophy.

All that said… bon jour Maxime, will you PLEASE play for Cal! We're also desperate, match made in heaven.

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Four ACC teams are in the sweet 16. Clemson tried very hard to choke today, but won anyway.

Arizona is the only ex-Pac team in the sweet 16.

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How about Big East 3-0, even though they had at least five and maybe six teams that should be in by the NCAA measuring stick.

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BearSD said:

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Four ACC teams are in the sweet 16. Clemson tried very hard to choke today, but won anyway.

Arizona is the only ex-Pac team in the sweet 16.

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How about Big East 3-0, even though they had at least five and maybe six teams that should be in by the NCAA measuring stick.

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The committee rewarded too many MWC and Big 12 teams whose only real accomplishments were winning about half of their conference games.

BearSD said:

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BearSD said:

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Four ACC teams are in the sweet 16. Clemson tried very hard to choke today, but won anyway.

Arizona is the only ex-Pac team in the sweet 16.

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How about Big East 3-0, even though they had at least five and maybe six teams that should be in by the NCAA measuring stick.

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The committee rewarded too many MWC and Big 12 teams whose only real accomplishments were winning about half of their conference games.

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Though in fairness, they did give all the Mountain West teams low seeds.