Why are nba and ncaa referees letting this go???

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Just ridiculous... and he knows it 😆 https://t.co/1beViVkLq2 pic.twitter.com/6MhNZt9fM9

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It's arguable it was just two steps, but I do think he lifted/moved his pivot foot earlier so it should've been a travel.

But the NBA is all about driving up scoring, now. Defenders are now at a disadvantage when the rules (especially enforcement of them) all favor the offense. It takes away half of the game. Unfortunately, that half is something old school basketball fans really appreciate.

GMP said:

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It's not a travel.

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Look at his right foot in the top video. It dragged and even got lifted off the ground except for one minor point of contact at the corner of the sole, which then dragged. That's not a pivot. This came after he established it as his pivot foot.

But in real time, it'd be hard to catch.

RedlessWardrobe said:

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Hate to pile on, but that wasn't even close to traveling.

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Okay, I went searching for explanations to PROVE my point, and instead I see this.
What the hell?
When did they change the f'ing rule?

GMP said:

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It's not a travel.

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I'm with this guy who starts talking at 2:30!! Better explanation of my quandary.

I think refs back in the day definitely used to call it the way this guy and me have thought.

The bit about the layup… it used to be that you had to be in a running motion to get the extra half step. If you had stopped and were spinning , you lost that final stretch half step.



This changes everything!

ct, don't drive yourself crazy on this one!

Sometimes, the rules - regardless of their applicability, just don't matter. I know there has been updates to the rules over the years, but to me, that one didn't look like a travel now, and I don't think it would have been called 50 years ago! Many times, the eye test takes priority over everything! (Except for the freakin' "cylinder" rule.)

Or the palming dribble.
Come on. There's a reason why Cousy looks like a stooge dribbling even if it is with just one hand - you couldn't roll the ball over.

By my recollection, since I'm old enough to recall, in the 80's there began to be discussion about how the Europeans got another step than the Americans.
This is how it all began to be officiated differently.

There's a reason why they call it the "euro" step. I just didn't realize it applied to after you had come to a complete stop.

It all makes sense to me now!!
But nobody can convince me that this wasn't called traveling at every level 40 years ago, heck, probably even 20 or 10 years ago. Or 5! I saw Curry do it last week and was like, "what the hell is that?" I'm sure he wasn't doing that at Davidson!!



Back in the day, you couldn't put your palm below the vertical axis of the ball, nowadays people do 360 spins with the ball hugged up against their bodies. Something that would have been laughed off the court.

We finally pulled back on this a couple years ago with what's called a "discontinued dribble". But if the ball doesn't come to a rested position (or if nobody is guarding you) you are allowed to put your palm underneath the ball. It just wasn't that way.


Anyways, I'm glad to have the extra half step explained. I've been watching it all year yelling at the TV - "traveling!" "Oh, there's another one!"

At least I can know why the refs aren't calling it.

GMP said:

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It's not a travel.

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So his right foot was his pivot foot and he never lifted it up and put it down again until the ball left his hands?

I used to call this move a walk, and it's caught me defensively MANY times. I finally figured it out when volunteering as a ref that I didn't actually know the rule.

That's when I stopped reffing as it was just too difficult for me (reffing in general) and can't blame the coaches and players when the ref doesn't know the rule

It's not just this call. Backcourt, charge/block, making split second decisions who the ball went off of out of bounds, counting off the various seconds time limits… even instantly remembering the right hand signal to use

Gotta be one of the toughest games to ref

concordtom said:

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Or the palming dribble.
Come on. There's a reason why Cousy looks like a stooge dribbling even if it is with just one hand - you couldn't roll the ball over.

By my recollection, since I'm old enough to recall, in the 80's there began to be discussion about how the Europeans got another step than the Americans.
This is how it all began to be officiated differently.

There's a reason why they call it the "euro" step. I just didn't realize it applied to after you had come to a complete stop.

It all makes sense to me now!!
But nobody can convince me that this wasn't called traveling at every level 40 years ago, heck, probably even 20 or 10 years ago. Or 5! I saw Curry do it last week and was like, "what the hell is that?" I'm sure he wasn't doing that at Davidson!!



Back in the day, you couldn't put your palm below the vertical axis of the ball, nowadays people do 360 spins with the ball hugged up against their bodies. Something that would have been laughed off the court.

We finally pulled back on this a couple years ago with what's called a "discontinued dribble". But if the ball doesn't come to a rested position (or if nobody is guarding you) you are allowed to put your palm underneath the ball. It just wasn't that way.


Anyways, I'm glad to have the extra half step explained. I've been watching it all year yelling at the TV - "traveling!" "Oh, there's another one!"

At least I can know why the refs aren't calling it.

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Now this issue is something I'm on board with questioning. Every year Cal basketball starts, about every 4th game, I convince myself that the opponent's point guard is getting away with some form of palming. But still, it almost never gets called.

HoopDreams said:

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I used to call this move a walk, and it's caught me defensively MANY times. I finally figured it out when volunteering as a ref that I didn't actually know the rule.

That's when I stopped reffing as it was just too difficult for me (reffing in general) and can't blame the coaches and players when the ref doesn't know the rule

It's not just this call. Backcourt, charge/block, making split second decisions who the ball went off of out of bounds, counting off the various seconds time limits… even instantly remembering the right hand signal to use

Gotta be one of the toughest games to ref

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I used to tell people how much I loved basketball because it was like ballet. Complete majestic coordination of all body parts to dance, hop and spin around opponents and to get the ball to loop up and in with the proper deft touch - it can be incredible, and that the brain can make all the split-second adjustments necessary is a wonder!

But NO WAY would I ever want to ref the game!!!

I used to ref a lot of youth soccer. OMG, it's like 100x easier.

The nba decided it was too difficult to assess where on the ball the hand was, so they changed the focus to whether the ball came to rest: "discontinued dribble".

That was a big improvement!!! Helps me see crossover moves better.

But I still have a hard time with the spinning behind the back and inside-out backhand dribble. You don't see this new move often but when it happens I'm like WHAAAAT?!?!?! What just happened!!?!?!?!

Sometimes I think the refs have to be asking the exact same thing!!

HoopDreams said:

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I used to call this move a walk, and it's caught me defensively MANY times. I finally figured it out when volunteering as a ref that I didn't actually know the rule.

That's when I stopped reffing as it was just too difficult for me (reffing in general) and can't blame the coaches and players when the ref doesn't know the rule

It's not just this call. Backcourt, charge/block, making split second decisions who the ball went off of out of bounds, counting off the various seconds time limits… even instantly remembering the right hand signal to use

Gotta be one of the toughest games to ref

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OMG - This was me in the 90s!

concordtom said:

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Why are nba and ncaa referees letting this go???

LUKA MAGIC 💫

Just ridiculous... and he knows it 😆 https://t.co/1beViVkLq2 pic.twitter.com/6MhNZt9fM9

— NBA (@NBA) April 1, 2024

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First, it wasn't traveling. Second, the NBA traveling rules are different than college and high school and you should know the difference before griping about it.

Shame on me.
3 Hail Marys?

HoopDreams said:

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I used to call this move a walk, and it's caught me defensively MANY times. I finally figured it out when volunteering as a ref that I didn't actually know the rule.

That's when I stopped reffing as it was just too difficult for me (reffing in general) and can't blame the coaches and players when the ref doesn't know the rule

It's not just this call. Backcourt, charge/block, making split second decisions who the ball went off of out of bounds, counting off the various seconds time limits… even instantly remembering the right hand signal to use

Gotta be one of the toughest games to ref

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Speaking of backcourt (over and back) violations... In the men's semi final on Saturday, I couldn't believe there were back-to-back (or within just a few possessions) violations, of tje guard just not knowing where the half court line was and dribbling back court. You can go a year without seeing that (I'm not talking about losing possession or an errant pass to the backcourt) and it happened twice, by the same guy in the space of about 90 seconds.

As courts get bigger and more complex center court logos I've wondered about that

For example the final four logo… can players clearly see the line with their peripheral vision?

TheFiatLux said:

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HoopDreams said:

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I used to call this move a walk, and it's caught me defensively MANY times. I finally figured it out when volunteering as a ref that I didn't actually know the rule.

That's when I stopped reffing as it was just too difficult for me (reffing in general) and can't blame the coaches and players when the ref doesn't know the rule

It's not just this call. Backcourt, charge/block, making split second decisions who the ball went off of out of bounds, counting off the various seconds time limits… even instantly remembering the right hand signal to use

Gotta be one of the toughest games to ref

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Speaking of backcourt (over and back) violations... In the men's semi final on Saturday, I couldn't believe there were back-to-back (or within just a few possessions) violations, of tje guard just not knowing where the half court line was and dribbling back court. You can go a year without seeing that (I'm not talking about losing possession or an errant pass to the backcourt) and it happened twice, by the same guy in the space of about 90 seconds.

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