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Oakbear
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So hard to keep track of all the changes
oskidunker
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Good. I guess he did not want to compete .
Go Bears!
RedlessWardrobe
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oskidunker said:

Good. I guess he did not want to compete .
There could be many reasons.
Bobodeluxe
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RedlessWardrobe said:

oskidunker said:

Good. I guess he did not want to compete .
There could be many reasons.
Insufficient 0's.
smokeyrover
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Could compete for PG minutes
parentswerebears
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Interesting development. That would be a nice add.
Johnfox
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I'm pretty confident we get sharavjamts
parentswerebears
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Again, that would be a nice add. Any idea about the last guy?
JimSox
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I got a question. When do these "signees" actually enroll in school? Not 'til the fall semester begins? Anyone can still defect for more money or PT until then? I presume once they're in school they can't jump ship until the season's over, right? Or maybe they can still go during the season. During a game? Go to the free throw line. Switch jerseys and score a point for the other team? Youth wants to know.
barsad
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Would love to get Sharavjamts, but are we really on the list? Is this ESPN guy report wrong?
brevity
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barsad said:

Would love to get Sharavjamts, but are we really on the list? Is this ESPN guy report wrong?

ESPN's Jeff Borzello probably thought it was right at the time (May 10), but he's also the one that provided the May 15 update smokeyrover posted above, saying that Cal was apparently added to the list as a 4th option:
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Could compete for PG minutes
So, not a case of conflicting sources, and possibly a good development.
bearsandgiants
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All for taking a flyer on a former top recruit in his third year, but was this limited minutes? Third program in as many years. Used to be a forward but now is suddenly an extremely tall point guard averaging 2.7 assists and shooting mid 30%s from beyond the arc?
RedlessWardrobe
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bearsandgiants said:

All for taking a flyer on a former top recruit in his third year, but was this limited minutes? Third program in as many years. Used to be a forward but now is suddenly an extremely tall point guard averaging 2.7 assists and shooting mid 30%s from beyond the arc?
Just an amateur opinion here. To your point I watched him play a few games this past season and have to admit I was not overly impressed.
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bearsandgiants said:

All for taking a flyer on a former top recruit in his third year, but was this limited minutes? Third program in as many years. Used to be a forward but now is suddenly an extremely tall point guard averaging 2.7 assists and shooting mid 30%s from beyond the arc?
I think this has less to do with Mongolian Mike and more to do with; NOT much else for Borzello and others to Tweet about this week.

Remember all the hype and fawning over a few dozen 'blue chip' HS recruits from Spring thru Summer? Now we have the daily Portal scouring. Probably better than the former, IMHO.
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RedlessWardrobe said:

bearsandgiants said:

All for taking a flyer on a former top recruit in his third year, but was this limited minutes? Third program in as many years. Used to be a forward but now is suddenly an extremely tall point guard averaging 2.7 assists and shooting mid 30%s from beyond the arc?
Just an amateur opinion here. To your point I watched him play a few games this past season and have to admit I was not overly impressed.
We don't need him to be a star though he has the talent to become one. We need another ballhandler and to replace the loss of Nwankwo on the wing and he can do both.
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RedlessWardrobe said:


Just an amateur opinion here. To your point I watched him play a few games this past season and have to admit I was not overly impressed.
Same, he would have to be ok with coming off the bench.

However, we may be able to offer a unique NIL deal if some of our Asian donor/businessman/alumni step up. Maybe that would convince Sharavjamts to come for a multi-year, developmental role.
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concernedparent said:

RedlessWardrobe said:

bearsandgiants said:

All for taking a flyer on a former top recruit in his third year, but was this limited minutes? Third program in as many years. Used to be a forward but now is suddenly an extremely tall point guard averaging 2.7 assists and shooting mid 30%s from beyond the arc?
Just an amateur opinion here. To your point I watched him play a few games this past season and have to admit I was not overly impressed.
We don't need him to be a star though he has the talent to become one. We need another ballhandler and to replace the loss of Nwankwo on the wing and he can do both.
Again, just an opinion but from what I saw his ball handling skills were nothing special. I just think that more a true point guard option should be the priority.
Johnfox
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He would have a chance to compete for the starting job this year. If we get him, hoping that we can keep him for 2 years since I view his senior year as hig huge year that will get him into the NBA
RedlessWardrobe
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Johnfox said:

He would have a chance to compete for the starting job this year. If we get him, hoping that we can keep him for 2 years since I view his senior year as hig huge year that will get him into the NBA
Wow, I guess I'm really missing something here. Last year he averaged 7.7 points, 3 rebounds per game. And to the eye test, he doesn't look like NBA material.
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Can you imagine a lineup with Mike Sharavjamts, Andrej Stojakovic, Bj Omot, Rytis Petraitis, and Mady Sissoko?

All of the players would be 6-7 and above!
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Intuit said:

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Can you imagine a lineup with Mike Sharavjamts, Andrej Stojakovic, Bj Omot, Rytis Petraitis, and Mady Sissoko?

All of the players would be 6-7 and above!
And a chance that opponents would be dribbling below in circles around us.
Big C
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RedlessWardrobe said:

Johnfox said:

He would have a chance to compete for the starting job this year. If we get him, hoping that we can keep him for 2 years since I view his senior year as hig huge year that will get him into the NBA
Wow, I guess I'm really missing something here. Last year he averaged 7.7 points, 3 rebounds per game. And to the eye test, he doesn't look like NBA material.

Yeah, I'd love for this guy to come to Cal, but I'm not sure how he projects to the NBA. Would be cool if he came in and proved me wrong though!
Basketball Bear
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Here is a video of him. His passing skills look good. He doesn't take over , more of a team guy.
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Basketball Bear said:

Here is a video of him. His passing skills look good. He doesn't take over , more of a team guy.



Looked pretty decent to me. After a couple of seasons of D1 development, maybe he's ready to roll now.
sluggo
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I have not seen full game tape, the only real way to judge. But his numbers are not great. And he is so thin, I don't see him able to defend. Cal already has a couple underweight players. Seems more like a human interest story than a valuable addition.
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sluggo said:

I have not seen full game tape, the only real way to judge. But his numbers are not great. And he is so thin, I don't see him able to defend. Cal already has a couple underweight players. Seems more like a human interest story than a valuable addition.


Agreed on the need to see game tape. I'd like to see how he defends, how he runs a transition offense, and how he operates in a half-court set. Highlights don't provide much in the way of evaluation since they're just cherry-picked moments. I also agree that he seems a bit underweight; if he can put in a good 20-30lbs he'd be able to attack the rim more aggressively without worrying about getting knocked to the floor by a little bump.

That said, I don't worry too much about numbers. Russell Westbrook and Zach Lavine didn't put up monster numbers at UCLA but went off to become dominant offensive players in the NBA. I'm more concerned about basketball IQ, athleticism, and work ethic.
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01Bear said:

sluggo said:

I have not seen full game tape, the only real way to judge. But his numbers are not great. And he is so thin, I don't see him able to defend. Cal already has a couple underweight players. Seems more like a human interest story than a valuable addition.


Agreed on the need to see game tape. I'd like to see how he defends, how he runs a transition offense, and how he operates in a half-court set. Highlights don't provide much in the way of evaluation since they're just cherry-picked moments. I also agree that he seems a bit underweight; if he can put in a good 20-30lbs he'd be able to attack the rim more aggressively without worrying about getting knocked to the floor by a little bump.

That said, I don't worry too much about numbers. Russell Westbrook and Zach Lavine didn't put up monster numbers at UCLA but went off to become dominant offensive players in the NBA. I'm more concerned about basketball IQ, athleticism, and work ethic.
True, but Westbrook was clearly a stud as a sophomore and nearly double the stats of M Mike in a much tougher conference.
01Bear
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Civil Bear said:

01Bear said:

sluggo said:

I have not seen full game tape, the only real way to judge. But his numbers are not great. And he is so thin, I don't see him able to defend. Cal already has a couple underweight players. Seems more like a human interest story than a valuable addition.


Agreed on the need to see game tape. I'd like to see how he defends, how he runs a transition offense, and how he operates in a half-court set. Highlights don't provide much in the way of evaluation since they're just cherry-picked moments. I also agree that he seems a bit underweight; if he can put in a good 20-30lbs he'd be able to attack the rim more aggressively without worrying about getting knocked to the floor by a little bump.

That said, I don't worry too much about numbers. Russell Westbrook and Zach Lavine didn't put up monster numbers at UCLA but went off to become dominant offensive players in the NBA. I'm more concerned about basketball IQ, athleticism, and work ethic.
True, but Westbrook was clearly a stud as a sophomore and nearly double the stats of M Mike in a much tougher conference.

Agreed. That's even more reason we need to see footage of entire games, not just highlights.
AunBear89
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Matt Norlander and Gary Parrish on their CBS Eye on College Basketball podcast said that more and more coaches won't have 13 recruited scholarship players anymore because numbers 10-13 on the bench will constantly be cycling through the portal after one season.

The new strategy will be to have 8-11 recruited scholarship players and use remaining scholarships to reward walk ons and one and done grad transfers that you need to pad your roster for practices.

You will still have the roster turnover, just not to a similar level.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
ducky23
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It's extremely hard to measure defense with any one stat, and DBPM has many flaws, but his DBPM last year with USF was 2.1 which would put him as a way above average defender according to DBPM

As a comparison, here are the DBPM numbers for the rotational players from last year

Kennedy 2.4
Celestine 1.3
Tyson 1.2
Aimaq .9
Newell .6
Brown .1
Cone -.7

calumnus
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ducky23 said:

It's extremely hard to measure defense with any one stat, and DBPM has many flaws, but his DBPM last year with USF was 2.1 which would put him as a way above average defender according to DBPM

As a comparison, here are the DBPM numbers for the rotational players from last year

Kennedy 2.4
Celestine 1.3
Tyson 1.2
Aimaq .9
Newell .6
Brown .1
Cone -.7




And I think that ranking is pretty close to who seemed to be the better and worse defenders from watching the games.
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AunBear89 said:

Matt Norlander and Gary Parrish on their CBS Eye on College Basketball podcast said that more and more coaches won't have 13 recruited scholarship players anymore because numbers 10-13 on the bench will constantly be cycling through the portal after one season.

The new strategy will be to have 8-11 recruited scholarship players and use remaining scholarships to reward walk ons and one and done grad transfers that you need to pad your roster for practices.

You will still have the roster turnover, just not to a similar level.
Interesting. So the question is, will that influence MM concerning the last two schollies? I apologize because I think I've asked this before, but when is the final date a player can reach a destination through the transfer portal?
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RedlessWardrobe said:

AunBear89 said:

Matt Norlander and Gary Parrish on their CBS Eye on College Basketball podcast said that more and more coaches won't have 13 recruited scholarship players anymore because numbers 10-13 on the bench will constantly be cycling through the portal after one season.

The new strategy will be to have 8-11 recruited scholarship players and use remaining scholarships to reward walk ons and one and done grad transfers that you need to pad your roster for practices.

You will still have the roster turnover, just not to a similar level.
Interesting. So the question is, will that influence MM concerning the last two schollies? I apologize because I think I've asked this before, but when is the final date a player can reach a destination through the transfer portal?
First day of class.
RedlessWardrobe
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Thanks for that. I guess this is going to take a while.
AunBear89
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Yes, it will. And I doubt we can assume that next season will work the same as this. The landscape is shifting and changing as the NCAA tries to get a handle on this new NIL and transfer portal reality.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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