RIP Jerry West

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TruffleShuffle
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Incredible career for Jerry West.

NYT's obit for Jerry West has a Cal mention:

"In 1958, his junior year at West Virginia University, his team made it to the national finals against California, only to lose by a single point."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/12/sports/jerry-west-dead.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb
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TruffleShuffle said:

Incredible career for Jerry West.

NYT's obit for Jerry West has a Cal mention:

"In 1958, his junior year at West Virginia University, his team made it to the national finals against California, only to lose by a single point."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/12/sports/jerry-west-dead.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb
One of the true greats of the game and a lifer who impacted the sport for decades after the end of his playing career.
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I read West's bio. A very complex guy. He was an important part of the Warriors' brain trust for a few years, but once he felt his advice wasn't being followed, and his influence diminished, he left. Seems to have been a pattern in his life. I don't mean West expected to be catered to, but he was quick to take offense. I'm not criticizing the guy, just giving my impression from what I read.
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HearstMining said:

I read West's bio. A very complex guy. He was an important part of the Warriors' brain trust for a few years, but once he felt his advice wasn't being followed, and his influence diminished, he left. Seems to have been a pattern in his life. I don't mean West expected to be catered to, but he was quick to take offense. I'm not criticizing the guy, just giving my impression from what I read.
He was always very popular as an individual and a teammate but despite his cool demeanor he was always an intense competitor, watching his interviews for the Celtics/Lakers 30 for 30 I could tell he always had massive distraught over those Finals losses, so I can imagine he was also extremely bitter over not being able to beat our guys in 1959.
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Competitive squared. I heard you didn't want to be around when he lost on the golf course.
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It's too bad there's not a tape of the 1959 championship game, to my knowledge. My late mom, who watched that game on TV, always said it was the best game she ever saw. Of course, as a Cal grad married to another Cal grad (she and my dad met at Hillel), I suspect she had a slight bias.
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TruffleShuffle said:

Incredible career for Jerry West.

NYT's obit for Jerry West has a Cal mention:

"In 1958, his junior year at West Virginia University, his team made it to the national finals against California, only to lose by a single point."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/12/sports/jerry-west-dead.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

Wasn't that the year he won Tournament MOP/MVP as a player on the losing team?
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01Bear said:

TruffleShuffle said:

Incredible career for Jerry West.

NYT's obit for Jerry West has a Cal mention:

"In 1958, his junior year at West Virginia University, his team made it to the national finals against California, only to lose by a single point."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/12/sports/jerry-west-dead.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

Wasn't that the year he won Tournament MOP/MVP as a player on the losing team?
right...so he did it for both the NBA Finals and NCAA Finals...
wvitbear
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I saw Jerry play in high school. Our team beat his team by by two points as another West made a shot from midcourt at the buzzer to win it. They later went on to win the state championship. We were undefeated in the regulkar season but lost to another school in the playoffs. We were a town of 1,000 people and the next year one of our players was the West Virginia player of the year.

In Jerry's sophomore year in college (freshmen couldn't play then), he led the team in the Kentucky invitational to defeat last year's national champion University of North Carolina. Jerry broke his nose that night. But came back the next night to score 38 points wearing a baseball catcher's mask. It wasn't easy to beat Adolph Rupp's teams at Kentucky.

Side light was that one of Jerry's team mates was 5'7" Ronnie Retton, who later became father to gymnast Mary Lou Retton.

Interesting that I am a Cal basketball season ticket holder but I was rooting for those Mountaineers in the 1959 game. Always thought Cal should have played WVU in 2009 for a 50th anniversary of the that game.
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mbBear said:

01Bear said:

TruffleShuffle said:

Incredible career for Jerry West.

NYT's obit for Jerry West has a Cal mention:

"In 1958, his junior year at West Virginia University, his team made it to the national finals against California, only to lose by a single point."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/12/sports/jerry-west-dead.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

Wasn't that the year he won Tournament MOP/MVP as a player on the losing team?
right...so he did it for both the NBA Finals and NCAA Finals...

Yup. I looked it up and it turns out 11 players from the NCAAM Tournament's losing team have won the MOP/MVP award and one player from the losing team has won the NCAAW Tournament MOP/MVP.
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Jeff82 said:

It's too bad there's not a tape of the 1959 championship game, to my knowledge. My late mom, who watched that game on TV, always said it was the best game she ever saw. Of course, as a Cal grad married to another Cal grad (she and my dad met at Hillel), I suspect she had a slight bias.
You're in luck! In the wake of Jerry West's passing, someone posted most (31 minutes) of the 1959 Championship game between Cal and West Virginia.



Cal is in the dark uniforms and West Virginia is in the white ones. There's no sound. I've watched the first 7 or 8 minutes and I thought Jerry West was the best player on the floor, but he made at least 3 turnovers while I was watching, which surprised me. He didn't look like someone we would be remembering 65 years later. Cal seemed to be passing the ball very well to my slightly trained eyes.

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An aside. I believe in 1960, WVU travellled out tom the West Coast where they were manhandled by Cal. I believe a player named Candy Cummings held West down but I could be mistaken. I also think WVU lost to Oregon State on that trip and they had a guard named Terry Baker who was also a hell of a quarterback. This is asking a lot of my memory since that was 64 yers ago.

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just heard an old interview with him

he said he won the NCAA Championship game MVP, but they lost to "The University of California"

he said the same thing about a NBA Championship (won MVP, but lost Championship)

Said both bothered him a lot the rest of his life

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HoopDreams said:

just heard an old interview with him

he said he won the NCAA Championship game MVP, but they lost to "The University of California"

he said the same thing about a NBA Championship (won MVP, but lost Championship)

Said both bothered him a lot the rest of his life



The guy had quite a few feathers in his cap and knowing what to call Cal was one of them.

I forget if this was mentioned here: His portrayal on HBO's "Winning Time" was sadly fictionalized. He was a lot smarter and a lot nicer to people than you woulda thought by watching that. Scott Ostler has written about that extensively.
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When I was growing up in LA, Jerry West and his family lived just a few blocks south across National Blvd. in a generally middle class neighborhood in Mar Vista. I used to ride my bike past his house going down to Mar Vista Park for Little League games. He and Loyd Bridges (with sons Jeff and Beau later celebrities in their own right) were the celebrities in that neighborhood. Sent their kids to public schools. Bridges went into TV after being blacklisted during the McCarthy era.
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wvitbear said:

An aside. I believe in 1960, WVU travellled out tom the West Coast where they were manhandled by Cal. I believe a player named Candy Cummings held West down but I could be mistaken. I also think WVU lost to Oregon State on that trip and they had a guard named Terry Baker who was also a hell of a quarterback. This is asking a lot of my memory since that was 64 yers ago.


I loved your previous post on West Virginia and Jerry West. I looked up Ron Retton. 5'-7", played in 27 games and averaged 4 points and 2 rebounds. There were not many 5-7 guys playing minutes for a major basketball program even in those days. He must have been quite an athlete, like his daughter was.

You've got the right idea here, but I'd like to help you and fill in some details. In 1960, as you said, West Virginia came to Los Angeles, actually, where they played 3 games in the LA Coliseum. West Virginia (ranked #2 in the AP Poll), played 3 games in 3 nights, first beating Stanford by 19 pts, then beat John Wooden and UCLA by 14 points, but then lost to #3 ranked Cal by 20 points. To be fair to them, 3 games in 3 nights is a difficult test in any era. It was Cal's Tandy Gillis who was assigned to guard Jerry West that night. Later that season, in the Final Four, Gillis would be responsible for keeping Oscar Robertson from doing too much damage when Cal played Cincinnati. The previous year, 1959, it would be Bob Dalton who was responsible for keeping both Oscar Robertson and Jerry West from taking over the games against Cai in the Final Four.

In any case, I could find no evidence of West Virgnia playing Oregon State on that trip. What you might have been thinking of was in 1963, #5 ranked West Virginia did come west again, this time to Corvallis, where they played Oregon State. OSU did have the great Terry Baker, the Heisman trophy winner in 1962, playing point guard for the Beavers. Jerry West had graduated in 1960, but was replaced on the Mountaineer roster by the very capable Rod Thorn, and they beat OSU 70-65. Baker would go on to lead the Beavers into the Final Four that season. He is the only Heisman trophy winner ever to have played in the Final Four in basketball.





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SFCityBear said:

wvitbear said:

An aside. I believe in 1960, WVU travellled out tom the West Coast where they were manhandled by Cal. I believe a player named Candy Cummings held West down but I could be mistaken. I also think WVU lost to Oregon State on that trip and they had a guard named Terry Baker who was also a hell of a quarterback. This is asking a lot of my memory since that was 64 yers ago.


I loved your previous post on West Virginia and Jerry West. I looked up Ron Retton. 5'-7", played in 27 games and averaged 4 points and 2 rebounds. There were not many 5-7 guys playing minutes for a major basketball program even in those days. He must have been quite an athlete, like his daughter was.

You've got the right idea here, but I'd like to help you and fill in some details. In 1960, as you said, West Virginia came to Los Angeles, actually, where they played 3 games in the LA Coliseum. West Virginia (ranked #2 in the AP Poll), played 3 games in 3 nights, first beating Stanford by 19 pts, then beat John Wooden and UCLA by 14 points, but then lost to #3 ranked Cal by 20 points. To be fair to them, 3 games in 3 nights is a difficult test in any era. It was Cal's Tandy Gillis who was assigned to guard Jerry West that night. Later that season, in the Final Four, Gillis would be responsible for keeping Oscar Robertson from doing too much damage when Cal played Cincinnati. The previous year, 1959, it would be Bob Dalton who was responsible for keeping both Oscar Robertson and Jerry West from taking over the games against Cai in the Final Four.

In any case, I could find no evidence of West Virgnia playing Oregon State on that trip. What you might have been thinking of was in 1963, #5 ranked West Virginia did come west again, this time to Corvallis, where they played Oregon State. OSU did have the great Terry Baker, the Heisman trophy winner in 1962, playing point guard for the Beavers. Jerry West had graduated in 1960, but was replaced on the Mountaineer roster by the very capable Rod Thorn, and they beat OSU 70-65. Baker would go on to lead the Beavers into the Final Four that season. He is the only Heisman trophy winner ever to have played in the Final Four in basketball.






they played basketball in the Coliseum?!! I never knew that...
wvitbear
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Addendum. thanks for the Terry Baker update. I knew we played out here against OSU but got the dates wrong.

I saw Thorn play in high school too. Had a two handed jump shot which I think he abandoned in the NBA. His problem was every guard who followed West was going to be the next Jerry West and hat was unfair. Jerry followed Hot rod Hundley and no one compared him to Hundley, a marginal player in the pros. Hot Rod thought he was a Harlem globe trotter but wasn't an athlete but a trick shooter. Once dropped kicked a ball from midcourt in the hoop.

Thorn played for Princeton, West Virginia and became quite an executive in the NBA. Ron williams , who played for the Warriors suffered to.

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mbBear said:

SFCityBear said:

wvitbear said:

An aside. I believe in 1960, WVU travellled out tom the West Coast where they were manhandled by Cal. I believe a player named Candy Cummings held West down but I could be mistaken. I also think WVU lost to Oregon State on that trip and they had a guard named Terry Baker who was also a hell of a quarterback. This is asking a lot of my memory since that was 64 yers ago.


I loved your previous post on West Virginia and Jerry West. I looked up Ron Retton. 5'-7", played in 27 games and averaged 4 points and 2 rebounds. There were not many 5-7 guys playing minutes for a major basketball program even in those days. He must have been quite an athlete, like his daughter was.

You've got the right idea here, but I'd like to help you and fill in some details. In 1960, as you said, West Virginia came to Los Angeles, actually, where they played 3 games in the LA Coliseum. West Virginia (ranked #2 in the AP Poll), played 3 games in 3 nights, first beating Stanford by 19 pts, then beat John Wooden and UCLA by 14 points, but then lost to #3 ranked Cal by 20 points. To be fair to them, 3 games in 3 nights is a difficult test in any era. It was Cal's Tandy Gillis who was assigned to guard Jerry West that night. Later that season, in the Final Four, Gillis would be responsible for keeping Oscar Robertson from doing too much damage when Cal played Cincinnati. The previous year, 1959, it would be Bob Dalton who was responsible for keeping both Oscar Robertson and Jerry West from taking over the games against Cai in the Final Four.

In any case, I could find no evidence of West Virgnia playing Oregon State on that trip. What you might have been thinking of was in 1963, #5 ranked West Virginia did come west again, this time to Corvallis, where they played Oregon State. OSU did have the great Terry Baker, the Heisman trophy winner in 1962, playing point guard for the Beavers. Jerry West had graduated in 1960, but was replaced on the Mountaineer roster by the very capable Rod Thorn, and they beat OSU 70-65. Baker would go on to lead the Beavers into the Final Four that season. He is the only Heisman trophy winner ever to have played in the Final Four in basketball.






they played basketball in the Coliseum?!! I never knew that...


Pretty sure that was the adjacent Sports Arena which opened in July of 1959 where it was immediately home to USC, UCLA and in 1960, the Lakers and the 1960 Democratic National Convention (where JFK was nominated).

My (great) uncle was the LA County Supervisor who in 1955 conceived the idea and lead the drive to build the Sports Arena in his district and finance it with revenue bonds.
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calumnus said:

mbBear said:

SFCityBear said:

wvitbear said:

An aside. I believe in 1960, WVU travellled out tom the West Coast where they were manhandled by Cal. I believe a player named Candy Cummings held West down but I could be mistaken. I also think WVU lost to Oregon State on that trip and they had a guard named Terry Baker who was also a hell of a quarterback. This is asking a lot of my memory since that was 64 yers ago.


I loved your previous post on West Virginia and Jerry West. I looked up Ron Retton. 5'-7", played in 27 games and averaged 4 points and 2 rebounds. There were not many 5-7 guys playing minutes for a major basketball program even in those days. He must have been quite an athlete, like his daughter was.

You've got the right idea here, but I'd like to help you and fill in some details. In 1960, as you said, West Virginia came to Los Angeles, actually, where they played 3 games in the LA Coliseum. West Virginia (ranked #2 in the AP Poll), played 3 games in 3 nights, first beating Stanford by 19 pts, then beat John Wooden and UCLA by 14 points, but then lost to #3 ranked Cal by 20 points. To be fair to them, 3 games in 3 nights is a difficult test in any era. It was Cal's Tandy Gillis who was assigned to guard Jerry West that night. Later that season, in the Final Four, Gillis would be responsible for keeping Oscar Robertson from doing too much damage when Cal played Cincinnati. The previous year, 1959, it would be Bob Dalton who was responsible for keeping both Oscar Robertson and Jerry West from taking over the games against Cai in the Final Four.

In any case, I could find no evidence of West Virgnia playing Oregon State on that trip. What you might have been thinking of was in 1963, #5 ranked West Virginia did come west again, this time to Corvallis, where they played Oregon State. OSU did have the great Terry Baker, the Heisman trophy winner in 1962, playing point guard for the Beavers. Jerry West had graduated in 1960, but was replaced on the Mountaineer roster by the very capable Rod Thorn, and they beat OSU 70-65. Baker would go on to lead the Beavers into the Final Four that season. He is the only Heisman trophy winner ever to have played in the Final Four in basketball.






they played basketball in the Coliseum?!! I never knew that...


Pretty sure that was the adjacent Sports Arena which opened in July of 1959 where it was immediately home to USC, UCLA and in 1960, the Lakers and the 1960 Democratic National Convention (where JFK was nominated).

My (great) uncle was the LA County Supervisor who in 1955 conceived the idea and lead the drive to build the Sports Arena in his district and finance it with revenue bonds.


I assumed so, and having grown up in SoCal, I felt confident that I would have heard of hoops at Coliseum, but I never assume I know everything lol..
Once upon a time, my grandfather owned the closest liquor store to the SC campus..
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mbBear said:

calumnus said:

mbBear said:

SFCityBear said:

wvitbear said:

An aside. I believe in 1960, WVU travellled out tom the West Coast where they were manhandled by Cal. I believe a player named Candy Cummings held West down but I could be mistaken. I also think WVU lost to Oregon State on that trip and they had a guard named Terry Baker who was also a hell of a quarterback. This is asking a lot of my memory since that was 64 yers ago.


I loved your previous post on West Virginia and Jerry West. I looked up Ron Retton. 5'-7", played in 27 games and averaged 4 points and 2 rebounds. There were not many 5-7 guys playing minutes for a major basketball program even in those days. He must have been quite an athlete, like his daughter was.

You've got the right idea here, but I'd like to help you and fill in some details. In 1960, as you said, West Virginia came to Los Angeles, actually, where they played 3 games in the LA Coliseum. West Virginia (ranked #2 in the AP Poll), played 3 games in 3 nights, first beating Stanford by 19 pts, then beat John Wooden and UCLA by 14 points, but then lost to #3 ranked Cal by 20 points. To be fair to them, 3 games in 3 nights is a difficult test in any era. It was Cal's Tandy Gillis who was assigned to guard Jerry West that night. Later that season, in the Final Four, Gillis would be responsible for keeping Oscar Robertson from doing too much damage when Cal played Cincinnati. The previous year, 1959, it would be Bob Dalton who was responsible for keeping both Oscar Robertson and Jerry West from taking over the games against Cai in the Final Four.

In any case, I could find no evidence of West Virgnia playing Oregon State on that trip. What you might have been thinking of was in 1963, #5 ranked West Virginia did come west again, this time to Corvallis, where they played Oregon State. OSU did have the great Terry Baker, the Heisman trophy winner in 1962, playing point guard for the Beavers. Jerry West had graduated in 1960, but was replaced on the Mountaineer roster by the very capable Rod Thorn, and they beat OSU 70-65. Baker would go on to lead the Beavers into the Final Four that season. He is the only Heisman trophy winner ever to have played in the Final Four in basketball.






they played basketball in the Coliseum?!! I never knew that...


Pretty sure that was the adjacent Sports Arena which opened in July of 1959 where it was immediately home to USC, UCLA and in 1960, the Lakers and the 1960 Democratic National Convention (where JFK was nominated).

My (great) uncle was the LA County Supervisor who in 1955 conceived the idea and lead the drive to build the Sports Arena in his district and finance it with revenue bonds.


I assumed so, and having grown up in SoCal, I felt confident that I would have heard of hoops at Coliseum, but I never assume I know everything lol..
Once upon a time, my grandfather owned the closest liquor store to the SC campus..


Yeah, i could see basketball at the Coliseum. It would make more sense than baseball, which is where the Dodgers (who my uncles helped bring to LA) were playing at that time (1958-1961).
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mbBear said:

SFCityBear said:

wvitbear said:

An aside. I believe in 1960, WVU travellled out tom the West Coast where they were manhandled by Cal. I believe a player named Candy Cummings held West down but I could be mistaken. I also think WVU lost to Oregon State on that trip and they had a guard named Terry Baker who was also a hell of a quarterback. This is asking a lot of my memory since that was 64 yers ago.


I loved your previous post on West Virginia and Jerry West. I looked up Ron Retton. 5'-7", played in 27 games and averaged 4 points and 2 rebounds. There were not many 5-7 guys playing minutes for a major basketball program even in those days. He must have been quite an athlete, like his daughter was.

You've got the right idea here, but I'd like to help you and fill in some details. In 1960, as you said, West Virginia came to Los Angeles, actually, where they played 3 games in the LA Coliseum. West Virginia (ranked #2 in the AP Poll), played 3 games in 3 nights, first beating Stanford by 19 pts, then beat John Wooden and UCLA by 14 points, but then lost to #3 ranked Cal by 20 points. To be fair to them, 3 games in 3 nights is a difficult test in any era. It was Cal's Tandy Gillis who was assigned to guard Jerry West that night. Later that season, in the Final Four, Gillis would be responsible for keeping Oscar Robertson from doing too much damage when Cal played Cincinnati. The previous year, 1959, it would be Bob Dalton who was responsible for keeping both Oscar Robertson and Jerry West from taking over the games against Cai in the Final Four.

In any case, I could find no evidence of West Virgnia playing Oregon State on that trip. What you might have been thinking of was in 1963, #5 ranked West Virginia did come west again, this time to Corvallis, where they played Oregon State. OSU did have the great Terry Baker, the Heisman trophy winner in 1962, playing point guard for the Beavers. Jerry West had graduated in 1960, but was replaced on the Mountaineer roster by the very capable Rod Thorn, and they beat OSU 70-65. Baker would go on to lead the Beavers into the Final Four that season. He is the only Heisman trophy winner ever to have played in the Final Four in basketball.






they played basketball in the Coliseum?!! I never knew that...
Very good. My mistake. The Sports Arena opened in July, 1960, and the Holiday Classic was played there as several have now said here.

The Holiday Classic must have been quite an event, with 4 AAWU teams, 3 Big Ten teams, plus West Virginia. It was played on 3 straight days in a row, and featured #2 West Virginia, #3 Cal, and #8 Illinois. (AP Poll rankings as of the dates of the games)
There was no crowning of a champion, just some good teams playing some others. The results:

Dec 28, 1960
#3 Cal def. #8 Illinois
USC def. Northwestern
UCLA def. Michigan
#2 West Virginia def. Stanford

Dec 29, 1960
#3 Cal def USC
#2 West Virginia def UCLA
Stanford def. Michigan
#8 Illinois def Northwestern

Dec 30, 1960
#3 Cal def #2 West Virginia
USC def UCLA
#8 Illinois def Stanford
Northwestern def Michigan

After the Holiday Classic, in some unusual scheduling, Cal remained in LA to play two more games against USC on USC's home floor, the LA Sports Arena. On Jan 2, 1960, USC defeated Cal in the Arena, 65-57. By Jan 4, 1960, previously unranked USC was now ranked #10 in the AP Poll. The teams met again that night in the Sports Arena, and this time Cal won, 60-45. Later in the season, Cal played USC at Harmon Gym, and won 57-46.

Cal's loss to USC after the Classic was Cal's only regular season loss. After that loss, as I remember, Pete Newell replaced Jerry Mann at point guard with Bobby Wendell, where he remained, and Cal would not lose another game until the loss to Ohio State in the NCAA Championship game.

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SFCityBear said:

mbBear said:

SFCityBear said:

wvitbear said:

An aside. I believe in 1960, WVU travellled out tom the West Coast where they were manhandled by Cal. I believe a player named Candy Cummings held West down but I could be mistaken. I also think WVU lost to Oregon State on that trip and they had a guard named Terry Baker who was also a hell of a quarterback. This is asking a lot of my memory since that was 64 yers ago.


I loved your previous post on West Virginia and Jerry West. I looked up Ron Retton. 5'-7", played in 27 games and averaged 4 points and 2 rebounds. There were not many 5-7 guys playing minutes for a major basketball program even in those days. He must have been quite an athlete, like his daughter was.

You've got the right idea here, but I'd like to help you and fill in some details. In 1960, as you said, West Virginia came to Los Angeles, actually, where they played 3 games in the LA Coliseum. West Virginia (ranked #2 in the AP Poll), played 3 games in 3 nights, first beating Stanford by 19 pts, then beat John Wooden and UCLA by 14 points, but then lost to #3 ranked Cal by 20 points. To be fair to them, 3 games in 3 nights is a difficult test in any era. It was Cal's Tandy Gillis who was assigned to guard Jerry West that night. Later that season, in the Final Four, Gillis would be responsible for keeping Oscar Robertson from doing too much damage when Cal played Cincinnati. The previous year, 1959, it would be Bob Dalton who was responsible for keeping both Oscar Robertson and Jerry West from taking over the games against Cai in the Final Four.

In any case, I could find no evidence of West Virgnia playing Oregon State on that trip. What you might have been thinking of was in 1963, #5 ranked West Virginia did come west again, this time to Corvallis, where they played Oregon State. OSU did have the great Terry Baker, the Heisman trophy winner in 1962, playing point guard for the Beavers. Jerry West had graduated in 1960, but was replaced on the Mountaineer roster by the very capable Rod Thorn, and they beat OSU 70-65. Baker would go on to lead the Beavers into the Final Four that season. He is the only Heisman trophy winner ever to have played in the Final Four in basketball.






they played basketball in the Coliseum?!! I never knew that...
Very good. My mistake. The Sports Arena opened in July, 1960, and the Holiday Classic was played there as several have now said here.

The Holiday Classic must have been quite an event, with 4 AAWU teams, 3 Big Ten teams, plus West Virginia. It was played on 3 straight days in a row, and featured #2 West Virginia, #3 Cal, and #8 Illinois. (AP Poll rankings as of the dates of the games)
There was no crowning of a champion, just some good teams playing some others. The results:

Dec 28, 1960
#3 Cal def. #8 Illinois
USC def. Northwestern
UCLA def. Michigan
#2 West Virginia def. Stanford

Dec 29, 1960
#3 Cal def USC
#2 West Virginia def UCLA
Stanford def. Michigan
#8 Illinois def Northwestern

Dec 30, 1960
#3 Cal def #2 West Virginia
USC def UCLA
#8 Illinois def Stanford
Northwestern def Michigan

After the Holiday Classic, in some unusual scheduling, Cal remained in LA to play two more games against USC on USC's home floor, the LA Sports Arena. On Jan 2, 1960, USC defeated Cal in the Arena, 65-57. By Jan 4, 1960, previously unranked USC was now ranked #10 in the AP Poll. The teams met again that night in the Sports Arena, and this time Cal won, 60-45. Later in the season, Cal played USC at Harmon Gym, and won 57-46.

Cal's loss to USC after the Classic was Cal's only regular season loss. After that loss, as I remember, Pete Newell replaced Jerry Mann at point guard with Bobby Wendell, where he remained, and Cal would not lose another game until the loss to Ohio State in the NCAA Championship game.




All good. My parents left me at home for the biggest Coliseum event of all time, Roy Campanella Night. I ended up being the biggest sports fan in the family by far!
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mbBear said:

SFCityBear said:

mbBear said:

SFCityBear said:

wvitbear said:

An aside. I believe in 1960, WVU travellled out tom the West Coast where they were manhandled by Cal. I believe a player named Candy Cummings held West down but I could be mistaken. I also think WVU lost to Oregon State on that trip and they had a guard named Terry Baker who was also a hell of a quarterback. This is asking a lot of my memory since that was 64 yers ago.


I loved your previous post on West Virginia and Jerry West. I looked up Ron Retton. 5'-7", played in 27 games and averaged 4 points and 2 rebounds. There were not many 5-7 guys playing minutes for a major basketball program even in those days. He must have been quite an athlete, like his daughter was.

You've got the right idea here, but I'd like to help you and fill in some details. In 1960, as you said, West Virginia came to Los Angeles, actually, where they played 3 games in the LA Coliseum. West Virginia (ranked #2 in the AP Poll), played 3 games in 3 nights, first beating Stanford by 19 pts, then beat John Wooden and UCLA by 14 points, but then lost to #3 ranked Cal by 20 points. To be fair to them, 3 games in 3 nights is a difficult test in any era. It was Cal's Tandy Gillis who was assigned to guard Jerry West that night. Later that season, in the Final Four, Gillis would be responsible for keeping Oscar Robertson from doing too much damage when Cal played Cincinnati. The previous year, 1959, it would be Bob Dalton who was responsible for keeping both Oscar Robertson and Jerry West from taking over the games against Cai in the Final Four.

In any case, I could find no evidence of West Virgnia playing Oregon State on that trip. What you might have been thinking of was in 1963, #5 ranked West Virginia did come west again, this time to Corvallis, where they played Oregon State. OSU did have the great Terry Baker, the Heisman trophy winner in 1962, playing point guard for the Beavers. Jerry West had graduated in 1960, but was replaced on the Mountaineer roster by the very capable Rod Thorn, and they beat OSU 70-65. Baker would go on to lead the Beavers into the Final Four that season. He is the only Heisman trophy winner ever to have played in the Final Four in basketball.






they played basketball in the Coliseum?!! I never knew that...
Very good. My mistake. The Sports Arena opened in July, 1960, and the Holiday Classic was played there as several have now said here.

The Holiday Classic must have been quite an event, with 4 AAWU teams, 3 Big Ten teams, plus West Virginia. It was played on 3 straight days in a row, and featured #2 West Virginia, #3 Cal, and #8 Illinois. (AP Poll rankings as of the dates of the games)
There was no crowning of a champion, just some good teams playing some others. The results:

Dec 28, 1960
#3 Cal def. #8 Illinois
USC def. Northwestern
UCLA def. Michigan
#2 West Virginia def. Stanford

Dec 29, 1960
#3 Cal def USC
#2 West Virginia def UCLA
Stanford def. Michigan
#8 Illinois def Northwestern

Dec 30, 1960
#3 Cal def #2 West Virginia
USC def UCLA
#8 Illinois def Stanford
Northwestern def Michigan

After the Holiday Classic, in some unusual scheduling, Cal remained in LA to play two more games against USC on USC's home floor, the LA Sports Arena. On Jan 2, 1960, USC defeated Cal in the Arena, 65-57. By Jan 4, 1960, previously unranked USC was now ranked #10 in the AP Poll. The teams met again that night in the Sports Arena, and this time Cal won, 60-45. Later in the season, Cal played USC at Harmon Gym, and won 57-46.

Cal's loss to USC after the Classic was Cal's only regular season loss. After that loss, as I remember, Pete Newell replaced Jerry Mann at point guard with Bobby Wendell, where he remained, and Cal would not lose another game until the loss to Ohio State in the NCAA Championship game.




All good. My parents left me at home for the biggest Coliseum event of all time, Roy Campanella Night. I ended up being the biggest sports fan in the family by far!


For me the biggest were Funk Fest in 1977 (my first concert, I was 15, a friend got his license and we piled into his car) and then again in 1979 with 130,000 in attendance, all stoned.

If Rodgers completes that pass to Makkonen though…

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