Last Night's Game - Impressions

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SFCityBear
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The Bears held on for a win last night, against a much shorter, scrappier team. Basically, the Bears won this game at the free throw line, where they got 32 free throws and made 29. SF State made only 15 free throws.

SF State did not have a player over 6'-6", and yet they were able to block taller Cal players off the boards for 17 offensive rebounds, which is unconscionable. Against USF, SF State got only 7 offensive rebounds.

Cal's defense was practically non-existent. SF State's first exhibition game was against USF, and USF killed them, with former Cal verbal commit, De'End Parker, garnering 20 points. USF beat them with defense, getting 9 steals and 4 blocks and 19 turnovers. By contrast, Cal got 2 steals and 3 blocks picked up only 5 turnovers against the Gators. When Brandon Smith left the floor with what was probably a dislocated shoulder, SF State got back in the game, and had a chance to catch Cal in the last few minutes. Apparently, according to Montgomery's quotes, he implied we had trouble defensively with Santa Clara in the closed scrimmage as well. Stanford plays USF on Friday at Oracle, and by comparative scores, we may get an idea how Cal might compare with Stanford at this point in the season.

One bright spot was that we saw more team play on offense from the Bears than we usually do at the beginning of the season. Crabbe getting 5 assists is big for him. The starting five has been playing together at least 2 years, and it shows. Still somewhat out of control, making 12 turnovers, but looking pretty good over all, offensively, this early.

And Brandon Smith looked great. 14 points, 6 for 9 from the floor, all jump shots, and ran the team well, never got out of control. They ran plays for Smith, and he got open, and the rhythm of the team and Brandon looked good doing this. If this is the Brandon Smith we are going to see this year, then it will be a big downer if his shoulder injury is serious. It does not look like Wallace is ready for prime time yet. I have yet to see anything that would indicate he can shoot from outside, and although he did get 3 rebounds last night, he looked like a deer in the headlights young freshman in his first game. He will improve, and he will have to, with Smith and Kreklow out, for the moment.

Another bright spot was the shooting of Solomon. He looked much more in command of himself as he drove to the basket, and he looks to be developing a nice soft touch off the glass, which I have been waiting for two years to see. Kravish rebounded well, but made 3 turnovers, too many for someone who does not touch the ball very often.

The bench did not shine last night. Thurman over the summer looked good, but it was one-on-one ball, and if you don't play team ball, fit yourself into the teamwork, you are not going to perform well or play much for Mike Montgomery. Also, it looks like the plan this year will be to push the ball, which is not so good for Thurman, who is slow, and does not run the floor well.

I hope Kahlil Johnson is not one of these guys who never saw a shot he didn't like, but he put up three jumpers last night, and rushed two of them. He has a tendency to shoot too flat a shot, and missed his first two that way. The third one, he took more time, and used more arch. All 3 shots, however, were bricks, clanking off the iron badly for long rebounds. Powers played only a few minutes, and passed up a couple of looks, maybe playing not to make a mistake, which maybe was a good idea at that point. Behrens and Bak made brief appearances, but I saw nothing positive there. I think the reason the bench did not see much time was that the first string is not playing well, especially defensively, and blocking off the boards, and Monty needs to get them playing better, before trying to give other players some playing time. Overall, not a good start against a weak but scrappy opponent.
Shocky1
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brandon smith made 6 out of 9 shots, all jumpshots?

guess monty knows more about bb than golden years...

go beers
calumnus
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SFCityBear;841999435 said:

The Bears held on for a win last night, against a much shorter, scrappier team. Basically, the Bears won this game at the free throw line, where they got 32 free throws and made 29. SF State made only 15 free throws.

SF State did not have a player over 6’-6”, and yet they were able to block taller Cal players off the boards for 17 offensive rebounds, which is unconscionable. Against USF, SF State got only 7 offensive rebounds.

Cal's defense was practically non-existent. SF State’s first exhibition game was against USF, and USF killed them, with former Cal verbal commit, De’End Parker, garnering 20 points. USF beat them with defense, getting 9 steals and 4 blocks and 19 turnovers. By contrast, Cal got 2 steals and 3 blocks picked up only 5 turnovers against the Gators. When Brandon Smith left the floor with what was probably a dislocated shoulder, SF State got back in the game, and had a chance to catch Cal in the last few minutes. Apparently, according to Montgomery’s quotes, he implied we had trouble defensively with Santa Clara in the closed scrimmage as well. Stanford plays USF on Friday at Oracle, and by comparative scores, we may get an idea how Cal might compare with Stanford at this point in the season.

One bright spot was that we saw more team play on offense from the Bears than we usually do at the beginning of the season. Crabbe getting 5 assists is big for him. The starting five has been playing together at least 2 years, and it shows. Still somewhat out of control, making 12 turnovers, but looking pretty good over all, offensively, this early.

And Brandon Smith looked great. 14 points, 6 for 9 from the floor, all jump shots, and ran the team well, never got out of control. They ran plays for Smith, and he got open, and the rhythm of the team and Brandon looked good doing this. If this is the Brandon Smith we are going to see this year, then it will be a big downer if his shoulder injury is serious. It does not look like Wallace is ready for prime time yet. I have yet to see anything that would indicate he can shoot from outside, and although he did get 3 rebounds last night, he looked like a deer in the headlights young freshman in his first game. He will improve, and he will have to, with Smith and Kreklow out, for the moment.

Another bright spot was the shooting of Solomon. He looked much more in command of himself as he drove to the basket, and he looks to be developing a nice soft touch off the glass, which I have been waiting for two years to see. Kravish rebounded well, but made 3 turnovers, too many for someone who does not touch the ball very often.

The bench did not shine last night. Thurman over the summer looked good, but it was one-on-one ball, and if you don’t play team ball, fit yourself into the teamwork, you are not going to perform well or play much for Mike Montgomery. Also, it looks like the plan this year will be to push the ball, which is not so good for Thurman, who is slow, and does not run the floor well.

I hope Kahlil Johnson is not one of these guys who never saw a shot he didn’t like, but he put up three jumpers last night, and rushed two of them. He has a tendency to shoot too flat a shot, and missed his first two that way. The third one, he took more time, and used more arch. All 3 shots, however, were bricks, clanking off the iron badly for long rebounds. Powers played only a few minutes, and passed up a couple of looks, maybe playing not to make a mistake, which maybe was a good idea at that point. Behrens and Bak made brief appearances, but I saw nothing positive there. I think the reason the bench did not see much time was that the first string is not playing well, especially defensively, and blocking off the boards, and Monty needs to get them playing better, before trying to give other players some playing time. Overall, not a good start against a weak but scrappy opponent.


I thought Cal was playing it like a scrimmage with lots of players getting action for Monty to evaluate, while SF State was playing it like it was a big game for them--very intense, including hard fouls and only at the end when there might be a possibility of "losing" did Monty put the starters (minus Smith who was hurt) back in to finish them off. The good news is that Crabbe and Solomon both played with a lot of intensity, which really bodes well.

I thought Wallace and Johnson both played well in the Halloween intra-squad scrimmage, including good shooting (great shooting on Johnson's part). They were not so good last night, but they are freshmen, so some inconsistency is going to come with the territory, especially early on. I am still pretty happy with both of those pick-ups.
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calumnus;841999598 said:

I thought Cal was playing it like a scrimmage with lots of players getting action for Monty to evaluate, while SF State was playing it like it was a big game for them--very intense, including hard fouls and only at the end when there might be a possibility of "losing" did Monty put the starters (minus Smith who was hurt) back in to finish them off. The good news is that Crabbe and Solomon both played with a lot of intensity, which really bodes well.

I thought Wallace and Johnson both played well in the Halloween intra-squad scrimmage, including good shooting (great shooting on Johnson's part). They were not so good last night, but they are freshmen, so some inconsistency is going to come with the territory, especially early on. I am still pretty happy with both of those pick-ups.


And what we are experiencing right now, from the perspective of the Cal fan, is that our sample for evaluating the new team and the new guys is simply too small. We will know more about everyone and the character of this year's team as more games are played.
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[COLOR="Blue"]"Defensively, we were poor," Montgomery said. "They spread court and went five out and took you at point of attack."[/COLOR]

If I'm a coach of one of our OOC teams that are big underdogs, I copy this approach vs the Bears. This may be particularly possible for some of these teams, as it's common that mid-major teams are heavy on guards and generally lack quality size.


http://www.ibabuzz.com/beartalk/2012/11/07/basketball-monty-not-happy-with-bears-exhibition-performance-smith-injures-shoulder/
calumnus
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south bender;841999676 said:

And what we are experiencing right now, from the perspective of the Cal fan, is that our sample for evaluating the new team and the new guys is simply too small. We will know more about everyone and the character of this year's team as more games are played.


I am trying not to have expectations regarding W/Ls because I am fully expecting this season to be a process. I am just going to enjoy watching Monty develop this team and these players, but that entails the implicit assumption that they will not start out as a finished product. They will start out far below their potential. We can't freak out about that. We get to watch Monty develop that potential over the course of the season. What matters is the team we have at the end of the season (assuming we win enough along the way to have a post season). Unlike last year, I expect us to finish strong.
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Shocky1;841999451 said:

brandon smith made 6 out of 9 shots, all jumpshots?

guess monty knows more about bb than golden years...

go beers


Though I'm not from Missouri, one game (or 6 of 9 shots) does not make a season. Thus, for now, I'm apparently with golden years. And well surely have no problem being shut up, all season long! :-)
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I was in the Haas. I agree that it was a flat scrimmage performance. I hope someone can become the team leader on defense with regard to the vacuum left by Jorge's absence. If we play D like that against a decent team we lose. It was great seeing Theo on the bench in a suit as an assistant. He is one quality dude.
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calumnus;841999598 said:

I thought Cal was playing it like a scrimmage with lots of players getting action for Monty to evaluate, while SF State was playing it like it was a big game for them--very intense, including hard fouls and only at the end when there might be a possibility of "losing" did Monty put the starters (minus Smith who was hurt) back in to finish them off. The good news is that Crabbe and Solomon both played with a lot of intensity, which really bodes well.

I thought Wallace and Johnson both played well in the Halloween intra-squad scrimmage, including good shooting (great shooting on Johnson's part). They were not so good last night, but they are freshmen, so some inconsistency is going to come with the territory, especially early on. I am still pretty happy with both of those pick-ups.


I am enthusiastic about the potential of Wallace and Johnson, and was only trying to be realisic about their performance in game one. They will likely improve and we will begin seeing this soon and as the season rolls along.

The published statistics don't bear you out when you say Cal played the game "like a scrimmage with lots of players getting action for Monty to evaluate". The five Cal starters, even with Smith missing most of the 2nd half with his injury, averaged over 30 minutes each. The five SF State starters averaged 26 minutes each. Off the bench for Cal, Wallace and Thurman got the bulk of the minutes, averaging 16 minutes each, and Wallace would likely not have gotten that many, if Smith had not gotten injured and left the game. The rest of the Cal bench, Johnson, Behrens, Bak, and Powers averaged 4 minutes each, not much more than a cup of coffee. SF State appeared to be the team getting a good look at their subs, as four of them averaged 12 minutes or more. Monty got a good look at only 7 players in this one.

No question that SF State was playing this game like a big game. They were coming off a bad defeat by USF, and were really up for Cal, and played very hard. They had it down to a 2 or 3 possession game at the end, and if they had made a couple of the threes they missed, they could have pulled out an upset.

Years ago under Ben Braun, in the early season, we often saw the opponents getting offensve rebounds and wide open layups in the halfcourt. The difference now, when we see opponents getting these same rebouds and open layups, is that we know that the problem will be corrected soon. With Braun, teams kept getting those layups all season long.
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...but that was because Ben was an offensive genius, SFCityBear.
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puget sound cal fan;842000253 said:

...but that was because Ben was an offensive genius, SFCityBear.


How could I have forgotten? Way ahead of his time, he was. I do remember, though, many who defended Braun called him a good defensive coach.
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I came away with a bit of a different impression. Brandon looked great, though I still have doubts about him as a good long term contributor. Love his heart, but it's hard to make up for lack of athleticism if you're not a great shooter. Crabbe seemed stronger and more confident. I was a bit disappointed in Kravish, didn't seem to move well without the ball or establish position against much smaller players. I loved him last year as a Frosh, so maybe my expectations may be a bit too high.

It was my first time seeing Wallace. Though he had a bit of the deer in headlights look, he seemed very smooth, confident, and smart. Excited about him. I wasn't so down on the defense. They seemed mostly resigned to taking desperation threes, and happened to hit quite a few of them to keep it close. Our inside presence was disturbing overall, not boxing out and getting outrebounded by much smaller players, and it seemed like we should have been able to pound the post a lot more on offense than we did.

Overall, the team played under control and took care of business. Like everyone here, I think we have a lot of growing to do and think that Monty will keep us improving. Though Kamp and Jorge were two of my all-time favorites at Cal and had tremendous intangibles, I think the ceiling could be higher this year with greater athleticism and shooting. Hoping Kravish can become the beast we need down low.
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Question about Crabbe on defense... was he out challenging the threes? (Comments are almost always about his offensive contributions, but I seem to remember some soft defense from him last year).
SFCityBear
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BluesandGold2;842000364 said:

Question about Crabbe on defense... was he out challenging the threes? (Comments are almost always about his offensive contributions, but I seem to remember some soft defense from him last year).


I didn't look at that specifically. I'll try and remember to look closer next game. I suspect he is focusing more on rebounding, with the added muscle he has put on. His rebounding was better last year than in year one, and this year he looks even more aggressive. Also he was getting out quickly on the break against the Gators, often leading the break, so some of his responsibilities and priorities may have changed, and tightly defending threes does limit your ability to do other things.
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I thought that he looked better on defense than any other perimeter player. He had the only two blocked shots for which our boys got credit.

His rebounding was strong, with 7. Only Kravish had more (10). Solomon and White of SFState also had 7, but they both play more inside.

I am imagining that Allen will be better at all phases of the game this year.

He will, however, lead more by example than by being particularly verbal with his teammates. That can work. See Jorge.
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south bender;842000441 said:

I thought that he looked better on defense than any other perimeter player. He had the only two blocked shots for which our boys got credit.

His rebounding was strong, with 7. Only Kravish had more (10). Solomon and White of SFState also had 7, but they both play more inside.

I am imagining that Allen will be better at all phases of the game this year.

He will, however, lead more by example than by being particularly verbal with his teammates. That can work. See Jorge.


Agreed, Crabbe looks like he will be "the man" this year--exerting his will on both offense and defense. Definitely a step up from previous years.
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calumnus;842000595 said:

Agreed, Crabbe looks like he will be "the man" this year--exerting his will on both offense and defense. Definitely a step up from previous years.


Crabbe will be a very good PAC 12 player, however he has many more hours of Klay Thompson video to review before he gets to where he wants to go.
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bearister;842000647 said:

Crabbe will be a very good PAC 12 player, however he has many more hours of Klay Thompson video to review before he gets to where he wants to go.


Will not run out till the end of next season. We will be happy to have him doing his review while moving up the ladder of all time scoring at Cal. Two more years will be just fine.
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