The Biggest Timeouts I've ever seen

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SFCityBear
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Has anyone else noticed this?

I went to a Cal game recently, and at a timeout on the floor, Coach Madsen was sitting on a chair, surrounded by what looked like at least 40 people! The five players who were in the game, were also sitting on chairs. Standing behind them were the rest of the roster, and all the assistants, and a few managers.

I checked the roster, and that is 21 players. Is this the largest roster in Cal history?

I checked the list of staff members and there are 12 on staff, not including all the students who hand out towels and liquid refreshment to the players, the managers, as we used to call them. Is this the biggest staff in Cal history?

Did the NCAA make new rules to accommodate more players? The staff looks larger than ever. Are they all on salary? Who pays for all of this?

I used to laugh when Coach Ben Braun used to have his players sit on chairs at a timeout, and meanwhile, he would huddle with 4 of his staff and discuss strategy. With about 30 seconds to go in the timeout, he would run over and give his players a sentence or two of coaching, and then send them back into the game.

Please excuse the rant, but all this boggles my mind. I'm a fan from the Newell era, where the program had about 45 players on scholarship, and 18 of those on the roster, plus one paid assistant (who was usually out scouting or recruiting, and not attending Cal games) and the other assistants were PE instructors or coaches of minor sports volunteering to help coach the varsity at practice but never were on the floor at games.

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Just think, Wyking Jones and Mark Fox each required all their staff to assist them in both setting their school records of 16 consecutive losses.

Heck, The Greatest Public University in the World could have saved millions of dollars by paying a 4th grade CYO coach a couple of grand to helm the Bears through those 32 losses…and still be charming in the post game pressie.

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SFCityBear said:

Has anyone else noticed this?

I went to a Cal game recently, and at a timeout on the floor, Coach Madsen was sitting on a chair, surrounded by what looked like at least 40 people! The five players who were in the game, were also sitting on chairs. Standing behind them were the rest of the roster, and all the assistants, and a few managers.

I checked the roster, and that is 21 players. Is this the largest roster in Cal history?

I checked the list of staff members and there are 12 on staff, not including all the students who hand out towels and liquid refreshment to the players, the managers, as we used to call them. Is this the biggest staff in Cal history?

Did the NCAA make new rules to accommodate more players? The staff looks larger than ever. Are they all on salary? Who pays for all of this?

I used to laugh when Coach Ben Braun used to have his players sit on chairs at a timeout, and meanwhile, he would huddle with 4 of his staff and discuss strategy. With about 30 seconds to go in the timeout, he would run over and give his players a sentence or two of coaching, and then send them back into the game.

Please excuse the rant, but all this boggles my mind. I'm a fan from the Newell era, where the program had about 45 players on scholarship, and 18 of those on the roster, plus one paid assistant (who was usually out scouting or recruiting, and not attending Cal games) and the other assistants were PE instructors or coaches of minor sports volunteering to help coach the varsity at practice but never were on the floor at games.


Welcome back SFCity! There have been tectonic shifts in NCAA sports the last few years. Search terms such as NIL, NCAA, ACC and Pac-2 to get caught up. Quick summary....

Pac-12 doesn't really exist.
Cal is in the ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE (changed oceans).
Players are paid (NIL)
NCAA is all but defunct
Jimmy "The Squeeze" Knowlton is still around as AD
Cal has a new Chancellor
Pete Newell passed away a few years ago

RedlessWardrobe
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BeachedBear said:

SFCityBear said:

Has anyone else noticed this?

I went to a Cal game recently, and at a timeout on the floor, Coach Madsen was sitting on a chair, surrounded by what looked like at least 40 people! The five players who were in the game, were also sitting on chairs. Standing behind them were the rest of the roster, and all the assistants, and a few managers.

I checked the roster, and that is 21 players. Is this the largest roster in Cal history?

I checked the list of staff members and there are 12 on staff, not including all the students who hand out towels and liquid refreshment to the players, the managers, as we used to call them. Is this the biggest staff in Cal history?

Did the NCAA make new rules to accommodate more players? The staff looks larger than ever. Are they all on salary? Who pays for all of this?

I used to laugh when Coach Ben Braun used to have his players sit on chairs at a timeout, and meanwhile, he would huddle with 4 of his staff and discuss strategy. With about 30 seconds to go in the timeout, he would run over and give his players a sentence or two of coaching, and then send them back into the game.

Please excuse the rant, but all this boggles my mind. I'm a fan from the Newell era, where the program had about 45 players on scholarship, and 18 of those on the roster, plus one paid assistant (who was usually out scouting or recruiting, and not attending Cal games) and the other assistants were PE instructors or coaches of minor sports volunteering to help coach the varsity at practice but never were on the floor at games.


Welcome back SFCity! There have been tectonic shifts in NCAA sports the last few years. Search terms such as NIL, NCAA, ACC and Pac-2 to get caught up. Quick summary....

Pac-12 doesn't really exist.
Cal is in the ATLANTIC COAST CONFERENCE (changed oceans).
Players are paid (NIL)
NCAA is all but defunct
Jimmy "The Squeeze" Knowlton is still around as AD
Cal has a new Chancellor
Pete Newell passed away a few years ago


And of course, to go along with this, ANY time there is the slightest chance that a player's arm or elbow even got close to another player's face, intentionally or just to create a little space, an exhausting, time consuming, game-momentum stopping review has to be implemented to disect every aspect of the play. Generally, the refs do their best to make sure these reviews don't last more than one second over seven minutes in real time. It's such a fantastic addition to the game.
GMP
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45 players on scholarship! Talk about the participation trophy generation…
calumnus
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bearister said:

Just think, Wyking Jones and Mark Fox each required all their staff to assist them in both setting their school records of 16 consecutive losses.

Heck, The Greatest Public University in the World could have saved millions of dollars by paying a 4th grade CYO coach a couple of grand to helm the Bears through those 32 losses…and still be charming in the post game pressie.




Mark Fox ended the season with a 16 game losing streak but he started the same season with a 12 game losing streak! It was just timing that his Cal record 29 losses didn't result in a much bigger losing streak. 29 total losses seems a lot more significant than 16 in a row.

At 3-29 he had the worst record in the entire country out of more than 300 programs! The worst record in Cal's entire history! He also delivered the lowest scoring team in the entire country out of more than 300 teams. In his fourth year with seniors. Not his second on a team filled with promising freshmen that actually won games against good teams at the end of the season.
SFCityBear
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GMP said:

45 players on scholarship! Talk about the participation trophy generation…
The freshmen team had 18 players on the roster, including 17 recruits who arrived on campus with scholarships. Then tryouts were held, scrimmaging for 3 days, 60 players in all: the 17 scholarship players, and 43 students trying out for that one last roster spot.

The Varsity had 18 scholarships I believe. The Varsity also held open tryouts for the Varsity and promising players might be added to the Varsity roster or to the JV team.

Participation back then was actually a lot of hours of hard work, for little glory, as it is today.

I don't know for sure, but I'd guess Darrall Imhoff was possibly one of those with no scholarship, who would have participated in one of those tryouts. He was a student at Cal and his aunt, I believe, called Pete Newell and asked if he could find a bed for her nephew. When Newell heard the he was 6-10, he found him a bed. And a scholarship, no doubt.
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