How do we bring the energy back

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Chapman_is_Gone
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There are two elephants in the room.

- When the University clearly and unapologetically demonstrates that it doesn't care about winning, as it did with the hiring of Wyking Jones under the clown we had as AD at the time, and several other times in the years since, in the eyes of many fans, the program dies. The trust and the hope are lost. I used to have 10 friends who truly cared about Cal men's basketball. I am the only one left, and I barely care about men's basketball anymore, and I'm not going to fake the feeling. Who knows if the feeling will return. Like a previous poster posted above, I have zero connection to this collection of players. And the University has sold out its traditions to Learfield in all aspects. Nothing will change until Knowlton is gone, and even then, I doubt much will improve. It's all simply too much about money these days.

- Who could have guessed: When you destroy 100 years of basketball tradition by breaking apart the Pac, it just might take a few years (or a few decades) for a game against NC State or Florida State to feel like some sort of compelling rivalry. To some, that will never happen.

You want to bring the energy back? Cal would have to do a few things it is not wiling to do, such as discounted or free seats to students; get rid of the stupid "sideline seat" chairs and return the fans (particularly the students) to the front row; restore the physical integrity of the student section; fire Learfield; emphasize the band and school traditions...etc. etc. All of these things have been discussed endlessly on this board. What's the point of discussing it further?

- On a side note, IMO, please keep the women's hoop posts on a different board. I understand you have good intentions trying to lure us to a game. Fact is, I bet every single one of us has attended women's hoops games in the past, and we've given the sport a fair shot. Frankly, I'd rather read a book or go for a hike than watch so many painfully missed layups and unathletic play. I know you women's hoop fans don't want to hear it, but I'm not afraid to say what so many believe.
sycasey
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To me it was the hiring of Mark Fox that showed there was no real seriousness about winning. With Jones you could at least make the argument that they wanted to maintain continuity with a reasonably successful Cuonzo Martin regime (yes, it's a weak argument but it's something).

There was no good reason to hire a proven mediocrity like Fox who had no connection to the school or to local recruits. Zero upside there at all, and it all played out predictably poorly.
RedlessWardrobe
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Chapman:
I've watched Cal men's basketball for almost 60 years. I still manage to enjoy it. Also I now watch the women's game, and especially this year it's been entertaining as hell. It doesn't take rocket science to realize that they are not as athletic as the men. But this is 2025 and if you accept the women's game as is, it's great to watch.

So do everybody a favor, if you're so down on everything, don't bother to leave your comments here and go read your book. It will be greatly appreciated.
HoopDreams
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Per College Basketball Report:

"John Calipari and Arkansas are currently DEAD LAST in the SEC with an 0-5 record in conference play."

He has 5 transfers but 3 are from his Kentucky team. Also 3 freshman

Tough to get a team to gell in the portal era


socaltownie
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SO here is a VERY simple idea....(which I can near guarantee will not happen and thus the underlying program that donors with the ear of leadership can use to illutrate the problem).

Today/Tomorrow Cal Athletics marketing should get out to Foothill, Unit 1-2-3 dining, Clark Kerr. Get some home made signs, table tents, etc. and welcome the students who are all returning to join the team at Haas to kick off the start of spring semester. Highly doubtful Wednesdsay is going to be a big study day (no class Monday). Get the Fricking Straw hat band to set up about 4 (and you could split em in half so foothill where SCT Jr. is gets some love) and have them playing at 4 p.m. as a reminder.

You HAVE to engage students and I truly believe one glaring problem in the AD's office is that, since Cal doesn't offer a sports marketing degree, the numbnuts there are all from big sports schools where you do not need to go the extra mile. But at Cal you do....it isn't a knock on the students it is just a fact that there are a variety of cultural and just PHYSICAL things (and not winning) that requires just a little extra marketing "umph" to get excitement back.
Take care of your Chicken
KoreAmBear
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Students are back and there is no excuse for them not to fill up at least the sideline part of the Bench. We used to have crappy teams and would fill the student section to the gills at Harmon. This week is a chance for two dubs -- Florida State and Miami. Let's get this and continue momentum. Still a lot of warts in the game v. NC State but learning how to win is the process for getting better. Was so happy for the team they got to enjoy a win on their visit to the Triangle (insane they have to go back again to face Duke) -- the in-flight meal on the long haul flight back was going to be so much better that way.
DaveT
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KoreAmBear said:

Students are back and there is no excuse for them not to fill up at least the sideline part of the Bench. We used to . . . .
There is an excuse - the team is mediocre and boring. Lots of things used to happen, but I have kids at Cal and I can tell you they (and their friends) don't care about MBB because there's no reason to care.

There's no allegiance to the players because they switch every year. The team isn't interesting. It doesn't win much, and gets blown out way too often. Nobody knows or cares about the ACC teams. Madsen made big promises coming in and in generated some buzz, but the team never capitalized on it, and now the buzz is gone.

Going to a Cal game isn't a job. It's entertainment, and the current team isn't entertaining.

If you want to attract students, win meaningful games against good teams. Be in the tourney hunt. Play better basketball. Until that happens, no amount of free tickets, promos, give-ways, or Madsen-hype and pizza delivery is going to matter.
socaltownie
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DaveT said:

KoreAmBear said:

Students are back and there is no excuse for them not to fill up at least the sideline part of the Bench. We used to . . . .
There is an excuse - the team is mediocre and boring. Lots of things used to happen, but I have kids at Cal and I can tell you they (and their friends) don't care about MBB because there's no reason to care.

There's no allegiance to the players because they switch every year. The team isn't interesting. It doesn't win much, and gets blown out way too often. Nobody knows or cares about the ACC teams. Madsen made big promises coming in and in generated some buzz, but the team never capitalized on it, and now the buzz is gone.

Going to a Cal game isn't a job. It's entertainment, and the current team isn't entertaining.

If you want to attract students, win meaningful games against good teams. Be in the tourney hunt. Play better basketball. Until that happens, no amount of free tickets, promos, give-ways, or Madsen-hype and pizza delivery is going to matter.
Agree with this but I also think (especially clark kerr and Hilltop) you Gotta trek to Hass. It is a commitment - lol and then you gotta walk back. So it is important for the AD to create some buzz. Get out. Market. The kids are going to be generally bored on Wednesday night.
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bearister
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Berkeley at night*is also more dangerous than it was before the pandemic.

*…and during the day as well.
Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection
Send my credentials to the House of Detention
I got some friends inside
RedlessWardrobe
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bearister said:

Berkeley at night*is also more dangerous than it was before the pandemic.

*…and during the day as well.
Technically true. But c'mon, do you really think this is even slightly a factor? When you go to Haas, you have multiple options to park within three blocks of the place. This is a real reach of an excuse.
Chapman_is_Gone
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RedlessWardrobe said:

Chapman:
I've watched Cal men's basketball for almost 60 years. I still manage to enjoy it. Also I now watch the women's game, and especially this year it's been entertaining as hell. It doesn't take rocket science to realize that they are not as athletic as the men. But this is 2025 and if you accept the women's game as is, it's great to watch.

So do everybody a favor, if you're so down on everything, don't bother to leave your comments here and go read your book. It will be greatly appreciated.


Got any good book recommendations, RedlessWardrobe? I'll be under the third tree on the east side of Cordonices Park if you want to come by and say hello!
RedlessWardrobe
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Chapman_is_Gone said:

RedlessWardrobe said:

Chapman:
I've watched Cal men's basketball for almost 60 years. I still manage to enjoy it. Also I now watch the women's game, and especially this year it's been entertaining as hell. It doesn't take rocket science to realize that they are not as athletic as the men. But this is 2025 and if you accept the women's game as is, it's great to watch.

So do everybody a favor, if you're so down on everything, don't bother to leave your comments here and go read your book. It will be greatly appreciated.


Got any good book recommendations, RedlessWardrobe? I'll be under the third tree on the east side of Cordonices Park if you want to come by and say hello!
Well obviously, "How to Win Friends and Influence People" would be appropriate. But other than that, enjoy your book. In the meantime I will continue to suffer the extreme atrocities of the current Haas Pavillion seating structure, and the Cal Women's basketball team. After all, someone has to do it.
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RedlessWardrobe said:

Chapman_is_Gone said:

RedlessWardrobe said:

Chapman:
I've watched Cal men's basketball for almost 60 years. I still manage to enjoy it. Also I now watch the women's game, and especially this year it's been entertaining as hell. It doesn't take rocket science to realize that they are not as athletic as the men. But this is 2025 and if you accept the women's game as is, it's great to watch.

So do everybody a favor, if you're so down on everything, don't bother to leave your comments here and go read your book. It will be greatly appreciated.


Got any good book recommendations, RedlessWardrobe? I'll be under the third tree on the east side of Cordonices Park if you want to come by and say hello!
Well obviously, "How to Win Friends and Influence People" would be appropriate. But other than that, enjoy your book. In the meantime I will continue to suffer the extreme atrocities of the current Haas Pavillion seating structure, and the Cal Women's basketball team. After all, someone has to do it.


Go bears! Beat anybody
Bring back It’s It’s to Haas Pavillion!
KoreAmBear
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DaveT said:

KoreAmBear said:

Students are back and there is no excuse for them not to fill up at least the sideline part of the Bench. We used to . . . .
There is an excuse - the team is mediocre and boring. Lots of things used to happen, but I have kids at Cal and I can tell you they (and their friends) don't care about MBB because there's no reason to care.

There's no allegiance to the players because they switch every year. The team isn't interesting. It doesn't win much, and gets blown out way too often. Nobody knows or cares about the ACC teams. Madsen made big promises coming in and in generated some buzz, but the team never capitalized on it, and now the buzz is gone.

Going to a Cal game isn't a job. It's entertainment, and the current team isn't entertaining.

If you want to attract students, win meaningful games against good teams. Be in the tourney hunt. Play better basketball. Until that happens, no amount of free tickets, promos, give-ways, or Madsen-hype and pizza delivery is going to matter.
Yah I get what you are saying about the product. But there seemed to be zero student support during the winter break. Filling the sideline is not such a big ask. That would require, what, 200 students? The product to me is actually underachieving. We had no business losing to Cornell and getting smashed by Va Tech at home. The point being there is individual talent and potentially entertaining type of players -- Andrej, Jeremiah, DJ, JOJ -- are all pretty explosive offensive players. Sissoko also is very entertaining in protecting the rim. I would also say that the students showing up in itself is what makes the games less boring. This week could provide some momentum. As a student attending Harmon games, I never saw it as a job. I always saw it as the best thing to do that night. Yah I was a sports/basketball junkie. But there are tons of kids who grew up like that. Ultimately it is still on Athletics to get that core group of students to show. I hope to see some life this Wed and Sat.
eastcoastcal
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Classes start tomorrow- everyone's back on campus and not much work yet so attendance will be up Wednesday and Saturday. Can we capitalize and get some wins to juice enthusiasm? Hope so.
HearstMining
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I hope you're right. It's too bad Jaylon Tyson didn't return for another year. Casual fans are attracted to top players rather than team results and, frequently attendance jumps don't happen until a year or two after a team has achieved better results. Example: per Wikipedia, Cal football attendance didn't improve dramatically under Jeff Tedford until his third season. In basketball's case, six years of horror under WyFox obliterated any interest for current young alumni, so Cal is really starting from scratch to build enthusiasm. It's a huge mountain to climb.

KoreAmBear
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eastcoastcal said:

Classes start tomorrow- everyone's back on campus and not much work yet so attendance will be up Wednesday and Saturday. Can we capitalize and get some wins to juice enthusiasm? Hope so.
Is Cal Athletics not even pumping this? Students back on campus. Nice win at NC State. Chance to win 2 this week for some momentum. Pack the Bench. Florida State and Miami ain't Cal Poly - these are marquee P4 names that you can market. Hopefully @eastcoastcal you can get your friends to come with you, and the students and Straw Hat Band can create some atmosphere this week.
eastcoastcal
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I have not had any marketing except for an email from the cal student store about the game. I also reminded a bunch of my friends to claim their ticket via the lottery lol, lest they forget (which I assume most folks will not remember).

Will do my best to pump the game up to all my friends!!
HoopDreams
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HearstMining said:

I hope you're right. It's too bad Jaylon Tyson didn't return for another year. Casual fans are attracted to top players rather than team results and, frequently attendance jumps don't happen until a year or two after a team has achieved better results. Example: per Wikipedia, Cal football attendance didn't improve dramatically under Jeff Tedford until his third season. In basketball's case, six years of horror under WyFox obliterated any interest for current young alumni, so Cal is really starting from scratch to build enthusiasm. It's a huge mountain to climb.


in yesterday's game, Tyson played 15 minutes with this box score:

3-4 shooting, including 2-3 from downtown, 2-2 FTs, FIVE rebounds, 2 assists and a steal

KoreAmBear
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eastcoastcal said:

I have not had any marketing except for an email from the cal student store about the game. I also reminded a bunch of my friends to claim their ticket via the lottery lol, lest they forget (which I assume most folks will not remember).

Will do my best to pump the game up to all my friends!!
First 500 students get Chick Fil A gift cards. That should do it lol.

https://calbears.com/news/2025/1/21/mens-basketball-cal-opens-home-stand-against-seminoles.aspx

HearstMining
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KoreAmBear said:

eastcoastcal said:

I have not had any marketing except for an email from the cal student store about the game. I also reminded a bunch of my friends to claim their ticket via the lottery lol, lest they forget (which I assume most folks will not remember).

Will do my best to pump the game up to all my friends!!
First 500 students get Chick Fil A gift cards. That should do it lol.

https://calbears.com/news/2025/1/21/mens-basketball-cal-opens-home-stand-against-seminoles.aspx


Checking G-Maps, the nearest Chick Fil-A is in Emeryville. That's a long way to go for a free sandwich - maybe swing by IKEA for some meatballs and lingonberry jam for dessert?
KoreAmBear
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HearstMining said:

KoreAmBear said:

eastcoastcal said:

I have not had any marketing except for an email from the cal student store about the game. I also reminded a bunch of my friends to claim their ticket via the lottery lol, lest they forget (which I assume most folks will not remember).

Will do my best to pump the game up to all my friends!!
First 500 students get Chick Fil A gift cards. That should do it lol.

https://calbears.com/news/2025/1/21/mens-basketball-cal-opens-home-stand-against-seminoles.aspx


Checking G-Maps, the nearest Chick Fil-A is in Emeryville. That's a long way to go for a free sandwich - maybe swing by IKEA for some meatballs and lingonberry jam for dessert?
Surprising that there isn't one by campus. LOL oh well it's always good to have in the gc pile for future use.
KoreAmBear
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HearstMining said:

KoreAmBear said:

eastcoastcal said:

I have not had any marketing except for an email from the cal student store about the game. I also reminded a bunch of my friends to claim their ticket via the lottery lol, lest they forget (which I assume most folks will not remember).

Will do my best to pump the game up to all my friends!!
First 500 students get Chick Fil A gift cards. That should do it lol.

https://calbears.com/news/2025/1/21/mens-basketball-cal-opens-home-stand-against-seminoles.aspx


Checking G-Maps, the nearest Chick Fil-A is in Emeryville. That's a long way to go for a free sandwich - maybe swing by IKEA for some meatballs and lingonberry jam for dessert?
Also Steph Marbury in the Haas. Pack that sideline Bench and make some noise!
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BearSD
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sycasey said:

Win more games.
It's true. Maybe in Lincoln, Nebraska or Iowa City, Iowa you can build unquestioned loyalty and attendance because you are the only game in town. But it doesn't work that way in a pro sports market in which the vast majority of the media attention given to sports teams goes to NFL, NBA, and MLB. On top of that, maybe in 1975 there were no basketball games on TV midweek, but in 2025, you can watch almost every game without ever leaving your house, if you want to.
sycasey
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BearSD said:

sycasey said:

Win more games.
It's true. Maybe in Lincoln, Nebraska or Iowa City, Iowa you can build unquestioned loyalty and attendance because you are the only game in town. But it doesn't work that way in a pro sports market in which the vast majority of the media attention given to sports teams goes to NFL, NBA, and MLB. On top of that, maybe in 1975 there were no basketball games on TV midweek, but in 2025, you can watch almost every game without ever leaving your house, if you want to.
It did seem like there was a better, more energetic crowd for Miami, so maybe we are making progress here. Perhaps not coincidentally, it was Cal's first home game after going over .500 on the season (during conference play).
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KoreAmBear said:

HearstMining said:

KoreAmBear said:

eastcoastcal said:

I have not had any marketing except for an email from the cal student store about the game. I also reminded a bunch of my friends to claim their ticket via the lottery lol, lest they forget (which I assume most folks will not remember).

Will do my best to pump the game up to all my friends!!
First 500 students get Chick Fil A gift cards. That should do it lol.

https://calbears.com/news/2025/1/21/mens-basketball-cal-opens-home-stand-against-seminoles.aspx


Checking G-Maps, the nearest Chick Fil-A is in Emeryville. That's a long way to go for a free sandwich - maybe swing by IKEA for some meatballs and lingonberry jam for dessert?
Also Steph Marbury in the Haas. Pack that sideline Bench and make some noise!
too bad they didn't announce him (maybe since he's a father of a player they don't want to as it would be a little awkward ... Andrej's dad attends all his home games)
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