I have heard he has an appeal pending. I know supposedly a long shot but do we know what the argument is? His story feels like one that the NCAA would love.

selfishly hope so

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One of my favorite players for so many reasons. I wish we could start a Go Fund Me or other vehicle to donate to his village in Africa.

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Some players being given a 6/th year due to covid. Some who were jc players are getting a 6 th year. .

https://borderingonwisdom.wordpress.com/ncaa-6th-year-of-eligibility/

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peterprescott said:

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One of my favorite players for so many reasons. I wish we could start a Go Fund Me or other vehicle to donate to his village in Africa.

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Some players being given a 6/th year due to covid. Some who were jc players are getting a 6 th year. .

https://borderingonwisdom.wordpress.com/ncaa-6th-year-of-eligibility/

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Mady has played for 5 seasons. He got minutes every single season and the least number of games played was 25. Never say never with the NCAA but I would say winning an appeal is almost certain to not happen. No case for it really other than he wants to play.

Complete this sentence please - he has been out best center since ...

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One of my favorite players for so many reasons. I wish we could start a Go Fund Me or other vehicle to donate to his village in Africa.

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Some players being given a 6/th year due to covid. Some who were jc players are getting a 6 th year. .

https://borderingonwisdom.wordpress.com/ncaa-6th-year-of-eligibility/

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Mady has played for 5 seasons. He got minutes every single season and the least number of games played was 25. Never say never with the NCAA but I would say winning an appeal is almost certain to not happen. No case for it really other than he wants to play.

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The only argument I can see is with the rule itself being an illegal restriction on his ability to earn income. If he is in a two-year grad program, so he still wants to be a student, then not being able to play and earn a scholarship is a hardship. It would be present setting.

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One of my favorite players for so many reasons. I wish we could start a Go Fund Me or other vehicle to donate to his village in Africa.

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Some players being given a 6/th year due to covid. Some who were jc players are getting a 6 th year. .

https://borderingonwisdom.wordpress.com/ncaa-6th-year-of-eligibility/

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Mady has played for 5 seasons. He got minutes every single season and the least number of games played was 25. Never say never with the NCAA but I would say winning an appeal is almost certain to not happen. No case for it really other than he wants to play.

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The only argument I can see is with the rule itself being an illegal restriction on his ability to earn income. If he is in a two-year grad program, so he still wants to be a student, then not being able to play and earn a scholarship is a hardship. It would be present setting.

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Whatever works. Pretty sure student visa players like Sissoko cannot receive NIL.

I recall a announcer mentioned that in one broadcast

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peterprescott said:

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One of my favorite players for so many reasons. I wish we could start a Go Fund Me or other vehicle to donate to his village in Africa.

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Some players being given a 6/th year due to covid. Some who were jc players are getting a 6 th year. .

https://borderingonwisdom.wordpress.com/ncaa-6th-year-of-eligibility/

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Mady has played for 5 seasons. He got minutes every single season and the least number of games played was 25. Never say never with the NCAA but I would say winning an appeal is almost certain to not happen. No case for it really other than he wants to play.

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The only argument I can see is with the rule itself being an illegal restriction on his ability to earn income. If he is in a two-year grad program, so he still wants to be a student, then not being able to play and earn a scholarship is a hardship. It would be present setting.

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Whatever works. Pretty sure student visa players like Sissoko cannot receive NIL.

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Yes, and they cannot work, so he really needs the scholarship if he wants to stay one more year as a student to earn a master's degree (presumably).

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Complete this sentence please - he has been out best center since ...

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Rabb or Solomon if you consider either of them centers. Otherwise MSF.

peterprescott said:

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One of my favorite players for so many reasons. I wish we could start a Go Fund Me or other vehicle to donate to his village in Africa.

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And you can...In lieu of NIL, the funds can be directed as you describe.

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Econ141 said:

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Complete this sentence please - he has been out best center since ...

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Rabb or Solomon if you consider either of them centers. Otherwise MSF.

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Yes. More recently, Andre Kelly was a very good player for us, again of you consider any of these guys centers.

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Econ141 said:

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Complete this sentence please - he has been out best center since ...

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Rabb or Solomon if you consider either of them centers. Otherwise MSF.

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Yes. More recently, Andre Kelly was a very good player for us, again of you consider any of these guys centers.

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None of the three guys above were centers…. so let's say Devon Hardin.

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calumnus said:

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Rabb or Solomon if you consider either of them centers. Otherwise MSF.

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Yes. More recently, Andre Kelly was a very good player for us, again of you consider any of these guys centers.

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None of the three guys above were centers…. so let's say Devon Hardin.

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If they weren't centers, then I would argue neither is Sissoko.

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Complete this sentence please - he has been out best center since ...

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Rabb or Solomon if you consider either of them centers. Otherwise MSF.

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Yes. More recently, Andre Kelly was a very good player for us, again of you consider any of these guys centers.

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None of the three guys above were centers…. so let's say Devon Hardin.

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If they weren't centers, then I would argue neither is Sissoko.

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I guess the way I make the distinction is: a power forward big man is one who can dribble, make a move and drive if he has to. A traditional center is never more than a few feet from the paint unless setting a screen at the top of the key. Sissoko fits the more traditional 5 spot.

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Complete this sentence please - he has been out best center since ...

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Rabb or Solomon if you consider either of them centers. Otherwise MSF.

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He's better than MSF. Softer handle, smarter player, too, imo. Rabb was skinny as a rail but overall way more effective, and Solomon was tall, but lacked the skills necessary to make an impact.

I'd put Kravish over Solomon. But yeah, I think the answer is Rabb.

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Complete this sentence please - he has been out best center since ...

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Rabb or Solomon if you consider either of them centers. Otherwise MSF.

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Yes. More recently, Andre Kelly was a very good player for us, again of you consider any of these guys centers.

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None of the three guys above were centers…. so let's say Devon Hardin.

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If they weren't centers, then I would argue neither is Sissoko.

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I guess the way I make the distinction is: a power forward big man is one who can dribble, make a move and drive if he has to. A traditional center is never more than a few feet from the paint unless setting a screen at the top of the key. Sissoko fits the more traditional 5 spot.

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Lots of centers can play on the perimeter nowadays. Like Reynaud. I think in the modern game a center anchors the defense and guards another team's anchor.

Rabb played 4 and 5. Our best lineups were with him at the 5 but he'd pick up too many fouls there. Kravish was a 4 because he almost always played next to Solomon or Okoroh/Rooks. Andre Kelly was better than Sissoko, but he couldn't anchor a defense and also almost always played the 4 next to Thiemann.

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concernedparent said:

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Econ141 said:

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Complete this sentence please - he has been out best center since ...

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Rabb or Solomon if you consider either of them centers. Otherwise MSF.

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He's better than MSF. Softer handle, smarter player, too, imo. Rabb was skinny as a rail but overall way more effective, and Solomon was tall, but lacked the skills necessary to make an impact.

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I think you're right about MSF. Solomon is bit underrated. He averaged a double double in his last year and had similar advanced/impact stats to Mady. He was a pogo stick and a legitimate rim protector. But thinking on it more, I'd take Mady. I think Mady would've averaged 12 points a game if he played with a guard as good as Cobbs or in a Monty scheme that moved the ball around more. Plus, Mady was the defense. He had a tough task of cleaning up after 4 below average defenders.

I hope we have an aggressive attorney handling his 6th year waiver request. Seems to be the formula for getting what you want from the NCAA.

How can we forget Leon Powe. Tho he is a PF. But he has the same playing style as Mady.

Better call Saul.

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I hope we have an aggressive attorney handling his 6th year waiver request. Seems to be the formula for getting what you want from the NCAA.

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An excellent point. Suddenly JC players have a couple extra years (for now) because the Vandy QB decided to push the issue.

NCAA is reticent to fight legal issues too much.

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I hope we have an aggressive attorney handling his 6th year waiver request. Seems to be the formula for getting what you want from the NCAA.

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UC has been known to hire legal counsel that folds faster than a cheap lawn chair. Will require input from Sebastabear.

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Econ141 said:

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Rabb or Solomon if you consider either of them centers. Otherwise MSF.

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He's better than MSF. Softer handle, smarter player, too, imo. Rabb was skinny as a rail but overall way more effective, and Solomon was tall, but lacked the skills necessary to make an impact.

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I think you're right about MSF. Solomon is bit underrated. He averaged a double double in his last year and had similar advanced/impact stats to Mady. He was a pogo stick and a legitimate rim protector. But thinking on it more, I'd take Mady. I think Mady would've averaged 12 points a game if he played with a guard as good as Cobbs or in a Monty scheme that moved the ball around more. Plus, Mady was the defense. He had a tough task of cleaning up after 4 below average defenders.

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Richard Solomon was severely underrated on this board. He averaged 11 points, 10.2 rebounds and 1.3 blocks as a senior. He was second in the PAC-12 in rebounding and has been playing professionally in the D League or overseas for 11 years now.

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concernedparent said:

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concernedparent said:

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Rabb or Solomon if you consider either of them centers. Otherwise MSF.

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He's better than MSF. Softer handle, smarter player, too, imo. Rabb was skinny as a rail but overall way more effective, and Solomon was tall, but lacked the skills necessary to make an impact.

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I think you're right about MSF. Solomon is bit underrated. He averaged a double double in his last year and had similar advanced/impact stats to Mady. He was a pogo stick and a legitimate rim protector. But thinking on it more, I'd take Mady. I think Mady would've averaged 12 points a game if he played with a guard as good as Cobbs or in a Monty scheme that moved the ball around more. Plus, Mady was the defense. He had a tough task of cleaning up after 4 below average defenders.

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Richard Solomon was severely underrated on this board. He averaged 11 points, 10.2 rebounds and 1.3 blocks as a senior. He was second in the PAC-12 in rebounding and has been playing professionally in the D League or overseas for 11 years now.

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Until you spelled out his entire name, I kept picturing Solomon Hughes in my head. LOL

All of these comparisons are hard, because they each played in different schemes with different team mates.

Richard Solomon is a great example of doing pretty much everything that his team needed from his role in an efficient manner. But for other reasons, may not be as memorable.

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Until you spelled out his entire name, I kept picturing Solomon Hughes in my head. LOL

All of these comparisons are hard, because they each played in different schemes with different team mates.

Richard Solomon is a great example of doing pretty much everything that his team needed from his role in an efficient manner. But for other reasons, may not be as memorable.

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IIRC for most of his Cal career Richard Solomon wanted to be a stretch 4 hoisting up outside shots but as a senior settled in at center and played well there.

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I can hardly wrap my head around how unpopular Fardaws Aimaq is/was on this board, especially when I hear some of the other guys who are getting mentioned.

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Dear Mr. Aimaq/Big C:
We really did enjoy your son's short time in our program, he's a great young man and we wish him the best in his future endeavors overseas. However, please stop coming to Haas and yelling for Madsen to sub in Fardaws at crucial times in the game, that's actually no longer physically possible and we'll all need to move on.
We are returning the cement gloves Fardaws favored wearing last season, we hope you will treasure them on your mantel at home.
Sincerely,
Cal Bears Staff

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Until you spelled out his entire name, I kept picturing Solomon Hughes in my head. LOL

All of these comparisons are hard, because they each played in different schemes with different team mates.

Richard Solomon is a great example of doing pretty much everything that his team needed from his role in an efficient manner. But for other reasons, may not be as memorable.

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IIRC for most of his Cal career Richard Solomon wanted to be a stretch 4 hoisting up outside shots but as a senior settled in at center and played well there.

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The beginning part of his career was with the shorter but less mobile MSF and Harper Kamp (post injury) playing the middle and often alongside him, then the Thurminator, so it made sense for spacing in Monty's scheme for Solomon to draw the opposing big man outside or defend opposing PFs. As a sophomore and junior he averaged 0.4 and 0.5 three point attempts (basically only one every other game) but even that was too much. People almost despised him on this board, despite his relatively excellent stats otherwise. Of course, part of that was Monty constantly yelling at him during games which the fans and insiders pick up on and some would join in. Solomon, normally one of those guys who plays with a big smile on his face, would get dejected and drop his head from all the criticism.

As a senior he played center exclusively and attempted zero three point attempts all season. Also, Monty, post "the Shove" of Solomon's childhood friend Allen Crabbe (Solomon was the one holding Crabbe back from charging Monty), let DeCuire coach him in games (maybe practices too?) and nearly everyone was happy with the results.

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As a senior he played center exclusively and attempted zero three point attempts all season. Also, Monty, post "the Shove" of Solomon's childhood friend Allen Crabbe (Solomon was the one holding Crabbe back from charging Monty), let DeCuire coach him in games (maybe practices too?) and nearly everyone was happy with the results.

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I just rewatched "The Shove" after you mentioned it, that was something.

Solomon showed leadership in grabbing Crabbe after Crabbe said, "Don't push me!" to Monty, then Cobb comes in and bear hugs him, sends him to the tunnel. Quick thinking by those guys or it could have really escalated.
I'm of two minds on the "tough coach" thing. God knows we don't need any more abusive Bobby Knights, but sometimes tough love works. Monty was trying to fire up Crabbe with some in-your-face attention, but he went too far. Monty was known for losing his temper. But I'm just putting it out there … could Madsen be a little "less nice" all the time? Sometimes players need "angry dad" to know when it's time to take leadership on the court, no?