Jeremiah Wilkinson to the portal

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BearlyCareAnymore
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HoopDreams said:

amazingly detailed response to my post. thank you

Just to clarify, most of what I'm sharing is my personal opinion, except for stats like KenPom. I'm not trying to present anything as fact.

On Randle I'm don't know how "close" his ball handling is compared to Curry, but I do see him as an elite ball handler, and Cal may not always land the prototypical 6'4"-6'5" point guards so he can really help us (he is a skills trainer). His ability to move from one action into a combo, and then smoothly transition into another combo is rare. Even strong ball handlers tend to reset or pick up the dribble. Randle teaches how to keep attacking through that.

Also, to be clear I didn't expect this to be a Tournament season, but was just hoping to see meaningful progress. A one-game improvement is a step forward, but a 34 game jump would've signaled that we're trending. That's why I mentioned free throws as getting to the line was part of our offensive game plan, so missed FTs mattered more for us in the bigger picture.

And for what it's worth, I didn't bring up the travel, nor the injuries to guys like Omot, Andrej, Wilkinson, and Blackshur not because they didn't matter, but because every team deals with injuries. I'm not trying to make excuses.

Thanks, Hoop. I need to respond to one item.

A one game (half a game really) improvement is not a step forward when it is combined with a major step back in conference play and no wins over quality opponents. Fundamentally, last year's team was clearly better when they were at the top of their game.

The difference between last year's team and this year's team was last year's team wet the bed out of the gate. I don't know why that happened, but they had 4 completely inexcusable losses out of conference. Madsen cleaned that up this year. We had no bad losses (bad loss being losing to someone who was obviously worse than we are). That is great and it is a measure of progress, but it is one with a ceiling. In my mind, last year's team was a 16-17 win team that just wasn't ready for whatever reason when the season started.

Honestly, last year about 3/4 of the way through the season I was pretty happy with the progress despite the horrible start. Conference record was a big improvement and they beat 3 really good teams. For whatever reason, the team seemed to lose motivation and tanked down the stretch (which goes to another myth in my opinion, that he is a great motivator, but I digress). So I dropped my analysis to "meets expectations". But regardless, our conference play last year was much better than this year even with the tanking at the end.

Bottom line is, if Cal basketball last year plays Cal basketball this year in a game and I have to bet my retirement fund on that game, I'm not hesitating who I'm taking. Last year all the way. If you tell me they are both equally motivated to win, I'm not even sweating it. The improvement in this year's team is they play to their reasonable ability every game. That just isn't that high. Or, by another measure, if I have to play a tournament quality team, this year's team has no shot. Last year's team has a shot.
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As far as I can tell, they only really had one distinct offensive set this year and it was completely at odds with the talent on the roster.

I get what they were trying to do with the little 3-man weave at the top of the circle--get one of our ball handlers on the move downhill off a Sissoko or Dort high screen. But, no defense had any need to play tight or step out on any of the shooters, so they just played under on everything and the success rate on those screens was very low.

The result of it was 3 players basically doing nothing and forcing Andrej or Wilkinson to drive into a packed paint.

The fact that they kept trying to run that all season with no counters was really troubling to me.
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https://www.si.com/college/georgiatech/basketball/report-four-star-transfer-portal-target-is-visiting-georgia-tech-today-01jq9tyf2kv0

Wilkinson visiting Georgia Tech.
Addicted-to-TopDog
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Always figured he'd end up somewhere close to home, but will sting all the more if he leaves to join another ACC school.
bearsandgiants
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ac_green33 said:

As far as I can tell, they only really had one distinct offensive set this year and it was completely at odds with the talent on the roster.

I get what they were trying to do with the little 3-man weave at the top of the circle--get one of our ball handlers on the move downhill off a Sissoko or Dort high screen. But, no defense had any need to play tight or step out on any of the shooters, so they just played under on everything and the success rate on those screens was very low.

The result of it was 3 players basically doing nothing and forcing Andrej or Wilkinson to drive into a packed paint.

The fact that they kept trying to run that all season with no counters was really troubling to me.
I don't think Madsen is a great strategist, and I think his underlings are even worse, and afraid to call out the ridiculousness. We need an alpha on this staff. At least one. I don't think we have any.
PenBear
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Damon Stoudamire was also a left handed undersized point guard who made it to the NBA. He would be a good coach for Wilkinson.
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PenBear said:

https://www.si.com/college/georgiatech/basketball/report-four-star-transfer-portal-target-is-visiting-georgia-tech-today-01jq9tyf2kv0

Wilkinson visiting Georgia Tech.


Makes sense. Nait George their PG is in the portal. Would take that exchange of PGs. George would be a nice add.
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Addicted-to-TopDog said:

Always figured he'd end up somewhere close to home, but will sting all the more if he leaves to join another ACC school.
From a purely emotional perspective, I'd feel worse if Wilkinson went to a former Pac-12 school. That probably bugs some folks on this site, but that's how I feel. Maybe I'll eventually develop some emotion towards ACC teams - probably about the time Cal becomes competitive with the best. In other words, not soon.
BearSD
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HearstMining said:

Addicted-to-TopDog said:

Always figured he'd end up somewhere close to home, but will sting all the more if he leaves to join another ACC school.
From a purely emotional perspective, I'd feel worse if Wilkinson went to a former Pac-12 school. That probably bugs some folks on this site, but that's how I feel. Maybe I'll eventually develop some emotion towards ACC teams - probably about the time Cal becomes competitive with the best. In other words, not soon.
I'd feel worse if Madsen doesn't replace Wilkinson with a better player.

The portal is a revolving door for every team now. The focus should be on bringing really good players in and just turning the page on any players who are determined to go elsewhere.
mbBear
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HearstMining said:

Addicted-to-TopDog said:

Always figured he'd end up somewhere close to home, but will sting all the more if he leaves to join another ACC school.
From a purely emotional perspective, I'd feel worse if Wilkinson went to a former Pac-12 school. That probably bugs some folks on this site, but that's how I feel. Maybe I'll eventually develop some emotion towards ACC teams - probably about the time Cal becomes competitive with the best. In other words, not soon.
I get you don't just turn a switch and hate on Wake Forest instead of hating $C!! Rooting against $C and FUCLA is going to stay with many of us, I'm sure.
Specific to Wilkinson though: if he signs with Georgia Tech, and goes for 25 vs. Cal, yeah, that might make a difference...
 
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