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    Others receiving votes: St. John's 32; Kentucky 32; Seton Hall 20; Utah State 15; Auburn 10; California 9; UCLA 8; Saint Louis 8; LSU 6; Yale 4; Oklahoma State 3; Saint Mary's 1; Indiana 1; Clemson 1.
    MiZery
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    What happened to ucla
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    MiZery said:

    What happened to ucla

    UCLA sucks. Big time!
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    MiZery said:

    What happened to ucla

    They lost to Cal
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    L's to Cal, Zaga, and Zona. Won the rest. 9-3 before conference play. It is a good Win....LOL. My bad. The wins against Oregon and Washington were conference games. They are in first place (for now) in the B1G.
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    socaltownie said:

    L's to Cal, Zaga, and Zona. Won the rest. 9-3 before conference play. It is a good Win....LOL. My bad. The wins against Oregon and Washington were conference games. They are in first place (for now) in the B1G.

    We need to root for UCLA, Kansas State and Columbia
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    Today's Lunardi's "bracketology" just too much. He has UCLA still in the tournament as an 8 seed, while Cal is listed as one of the "first four out." That's a difference of at least 9 teams. I guess there's no reason to actually play a game anymore.
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    Our strength of schedule is a dismal 141 which makes Lunardi's prediction understandable. The ACC games will allow us to see that SOS number decrease dramatically, but we will need to win at least half of those games to get into the dance.
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    Definitely work to do in league play. Only a quarter of brackets have us in at this point: www.bracketmatrix.com
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    RedlessWardrobe said:

    Today's Lunardi's "bracketology" just too much. He has UCLA still in the tournament as an 8 seed, while Cal is listed as one of the "first four out." That's a difference of at least 9 teams. I guess there's no reason to actually play a game anymore.

    It was a good win for us but you are judged on your entire season. We need UCLA to keep winning to make it a good win, but more importantly we need to win the majority of our games in the ACC.
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    RedlessWardrobe said:

    Today's Lunardi's "bracketology" just too much. He has UCLA still in the tournament as an 8 seed, while Cal is listed as one of the "first four out." That's a difference of at least 9 teams. I guess there's no reason to actually play a game anymore.


    Cal has done everything that could be reasonably expected of it, but the strength of schedule is not doing it any favors. Cal is 58 in Kenpom. UCLA is 32. We have essentially 2 remotely quality opponents so far - UCLA, and #57 KState. Next highest is 123. If the team plays like they did against KState in the ACC, we probably won't quite get in. If they play like the did against UCLA, we should get in. Probably some nights will be one and some the other. Given our SOS, and the circumstances surrounding the UCLA game, outsiders are going to want to see several more examples before they are convinced the UCLA game isn't the result of a more motivated team pulling an upset

    Lunardi's bracket is a prediction, not a snapshot. Given our rating in Kenpom, it's a pretty good prediction. Cal has plenty of opportunity in the ACC to prove itself and get in. They need to keep on keepin' on.
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    SOS definitely hurts us but we needed to win by 10+ vs those weak opponents especially since we were at home

    At least the KS game was close and an away game


    Harky4 said:

    Our strength of schedule is a dismal 141 which makes Lunardi's prediction understandable. The ACC games will allow us to see that SOS number decrease dramatically, but we will need to win at least half of those games to get into the dance.
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    Before the season, I really didn't expect Cal to make the Tournament this year. I would've been happy if Cal made the NIT, TBH. That said, with the team looking like it's gelling, especially on defense, I have some hope that Cal will get invited to the Big Dance. To that end, Cal needs to win games on the toad against some really good ACC teams and has to also preserve home court against a deep ACC conference. The latter can be assisted by having a raucous home crowd and playing tough defense. Madsen seems to have the team doing just that. Better yet, he seems to have a team that's more than the sum of its parts and guys who play for each other. On offense, Cal's got a three headed monster where the three heads can be different from night to night.

    I'm really looking forward to seeing how well this team plays in conference. I have a feeling it will shock some teams and steal some games as an underdog. My guess (at this admittedly early point in the season) is that Cal can make the tournament as a #12 seed.
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    Too bad the UCLA game will likely be viewed as a neutral court that was more like a home game for Cal when in reality it seemed more like a pro-UCLA crowd.
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    oobay said:

    Too bad the UCLA game will likely be viewed as a neutral court that was more like a home game for Cal when in reality it seemed more like a pro-UCLA crowd.
    ucla was missing dent in that game and we had rytis. Not sure we could beat them today. Louisville will tell us a lot.
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    bearsandgiants said:

    oobay said:

    Too bad the UCLA game will likely be viewed as a neutral court that was more like a home game for Cal when in reality it seemed more like a pro-UCLA crowd.

    ucla was missing dent in that game and we had rytis. Not sure we could beat them today. Louisville will tell us a lot.

    I worry a lot more about losing Rytis than UCLA not having Dent
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    Harky4 said:

    Our strength of schedule is a dismal 141 which makes Lunardi's prediction understandable. The ACC games will allow us to see that SOS number decrease dramatically, but we will need to win at least half of those games to get into the dance.

    KenPom has our SOS at 341 out of 365 Div 1 teams, not sure where you're getting 141. You could say, what's the difference, but come March Madness time and the last spot is being handed to Cal or some other 19 or 20 win team, that extremely weak early schedule should be where we point if Cal misses the dance.
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    barsad said:

    Harky4 said:

    Our strength of schedule is a dismal 141 which makes Lunardi's prediction understandable. The ACC games will allow us to see that SOS number decrease dramatically, but we will need to win at least half of those games to get into the dance.

    KenPom has our SOS at 341 out of 365 Div 1 teams, not sure where you're getting 141. You could say, what's the difference, but come March Madness time and the last spot is being handed to Cal or some other 19 or 20 win team, that extremely weak early schedule should be where we point if Cal misses the dance.
    which is exactly why 19 or 20 wins (7 or 8 wins the ACC) would not even be bubble territory. Our current #31 ranking assumes we will win significantly more than that.

    22 or 23 wins is where we need to be.
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    barsad said:

    Harky4 said:

    Our strength of schedule is a dismal 141 which makes Lunardi's prediction understandable. The ACC games will allow us to see that SOS number decrease dramatically, but we will need to win at least half of those games to get into the dance.

    KenPom has our SOS at 341 out of 365 Div 1 teams, not sure where you're getting 141. You could say, what's the difference, but come March Madness time and the last spot is being handed to Cal or some other 19 or 20 win team, that extremely weak early schedule should be where we point if Cal misses the dance.


    There is really no excuse in making a schedule that is this weak. If Cal had the #250 ranked schedule they'd almost assuredly have the same record and would be rated higher in Kenpom and would probably be rated as getting in the tournament instead of being left out. #341 is unnecessarily kneecapping your program.

    Cal is absolutely going to need to show something in conference. The UCLA win is a good win and is the thing keeping us in the conversation even though, as I said, Cal has done everything that can be reasonably expected. A win tonight would be huge. A blowout loss and people are going to seriously question us.
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    BearlyCareAnymore said:

    barsad said:

    Harky4 said:

    Our strength of schedule is a dismal 141 which makes Lunardi's prediction understandable. The ACC games will allow us to see that SOS number decrease dramatically, but we will need to win at least half of those games to get into the dance.

    KenPom has our SOS at 341 out of 365 Div 1 teams, not sure where you're getting 141. You could say, what's the difference, but come March Madness time and the last spot is being handed to Cal or some other 19 or 20 win team, that extremely weak early schedule should be where we point if Cal misses the dance.


    There is really no excuse in making a schedule that is this weak. If Cal had the #250 ranked schedule they'd almost assuredly have the same record and would be rated higher in Kenpom and would probably be rated as getting in the tournament instead of being left out. #341 is unnecessarily kneecapping your program.

    Cal is absolutely going to need to show something in conference. The UCLA win is a good win and is the thing keeping us in the conversation even though, as I said, Cal has done everything that can be reasonably expected. A win tonight would be huge. A blowout loss and people are going to seriously question us.


    There is no need to overload the OOC schedule when you're going to be playing a full round robin in the ACC, the same reason most SEC football teams have relatively easy nonconference scheds. At the end of the regular season, our SOS is going to be pretty decent.

    As well, with the amount of turnover you have in the current era, a decent team that hasn't yet gelled is vulnerable early in the season against a bad team, and a loss there would really wreck computer rankings. Having an easy OOC schedule with only a couple of good opponents helps give the new personnel time to gel before the challenging conference slate.
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    Let me make an outrageous statement. How about an OOC schedule that's a mixture of all levels? I understand that some easier games at the beginning gives a team an opportunity to work on team issues, but honestly this year's OOC schedule could have had a couple of more challenges with a couple of less cupcakes. At some point playing better competition becomes beneficial to any team.
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    Cal88 said:

    BearlyCareAnymore said:

    barsad said:

    Harky4 said:

    Our strength of schedule is a dismal 141 which makes Lunardi's prediction understandable. The ACC games will allow us to see that SOS number decrease dramatically, but we will need to win at least half of those games to get into the dance.

    KenPom has our SOS at 341 out of 365 Div 1 teams, not sure where you're getting 141. You could say, what's the difference, but come March Madness time and the last spot is being handed to Cal or some other 19 or 20 win team, that extremely weak early schedule should be where we point if Cal misses the dance.


    There is really no excuse in making a schedule that is this weak. If Cal had the #250 ranked schedule they'd almost assuredly have the same record and would be rated higher in Kenpom and would probably be rated as getting in the tournament instead of being left out. #341 is unnecessarily kneecapping your program.

    Cal is absolutely going to need to show something in conference. The UCLA win is a good win and is the thing keeping us in the conversation even though, as I said, Cal has done everything that can be reasonably expected. A win tonight would be huge. A blowout loss and people are going to seriously question us.


    There is no need to overload the OOC schedule when you're going to be playing a full round robin in the ACC, the same reason most SEC football teams have relatively easy nonconference scheds. At the end of the regular season, our SOS is going to be pretty decent.

    As well, with the amount of turnover you have in the current era, a decent team that hasn't yet gelled is vulnerable early in the season against a bad team, and a loss there would really wreck computer rankings. Having an easy OOC schedule with only a couple of good opponents helps give the new personnel time to gel before the challenging conference slate.


    Basketball is different than football. In football, it is all beauty contest. Undefeated records against powderpuff schedules trump 2 loss teams playing tough schedules. In basketball, the Committee really does rely on the NET and other ratings so it pays to maximize that. The general attempt of any statistical ranking system is to rank teams regardless of schedule, though NET does attempt to reward tougher schedules.

    However, I agree that our ACC schedule gives us plenty of opportunity for a good NET ratings but that is also why .500 in the ACC isn't going to cut it.

    The biggest issue I have with the OOC schedule is that we should be playing teams that might interest the fans, sell tickets and fill Haas. Since we play in the ACC, our OOC schedule should be Bay Area and West Coast "name" teams, whether good or not. UCLA was a great game, even if we had not pulled out the win. If we are going to play a Big12 team, why not a former Pac-12 team like Arizona instead of KState?
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    Cal88 said:

    BearlyCareAnymore said:

    barsad said:

    Harky4 said:

    Our strength of schedule is a dismal 141 which makes Lunardi's prediction understandable. The ACC games will allow us to see that SOS number decrease dramatically, but we will need to win at least half of those games to get into the dance.

    KenPom has our SOS at 341 out of 365 Div 1 teams, not sure where you're getting 141. You could say, what's the difference, but come March Madness time and the last spot is being handed to Cal or some other 19 or 20 win team, that extremely weak early schedule should be where we point if Cal misses the dance.

    There is really no excuse in making a schedule that is this weak. If Cal had the #250 ranked schedule they'd almost assuredly have the same record and would be rated higher in Kenpom and would probably be rated as getting in the tournament instead of being left out. #341 is unnecessarily kneecapping your program.

    Cal is absolutely going to need to show something in conference. The UCLA win is a good win and is the thing keeping us in the conversation even though, as I said, Cal has done everything that can be reasonably expected. A win tonight would be huge. A blowout loss and people are going to seriously question us.

    There is no need to overload the OOC schedule when you're going to be playing a full round robin in the ACC, the same reason most SEC football teams have relatively easy nonconference scheds. At the end of the regular season, our SOS is going to be pretty decent.

    As well, with the amount of turnover you have in the current era, a decent team that hasn't yet gelled is vulnerable early in the season against a bad team, and a loss there would really wreck computer rankings. Having an easy OOC schedule with only a couple of good opponents helps give the new personnel time to gel before the challenging conference slate.

    Our 10th game of the season was a Division II school, this is all ****ing nonsense, there are 5 legit names on Louisville's schedule and they are only a dozen games in
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    Cal88 said:

    BearlyCareAnymore said:

    barsad said:

    Harky4 said:

    Our strength of schedule is a dismal 141 which makes Lunardi's prediction understandable. The ACC games will allow us to see that SOS number decrease dramatically, but we will need to win at least half of those games to get into the dance.

    KenPom has our SOS at 341 out of 365 Div 1 teams, not sure where you're getting 141. You could say, what's the difference, but come March Madness time and the last spot is being handed to Cal or some other 19 or 20 win team, that extremely weak early schedule should be where we point if Cal misses the dance.


    There is really no excuse in making a schedule that is this weak. If Cal had the #250 ranked schedule they'd almost assuredly have the same record and would be rated higher in Kenpom and would probably be rated as getting in the tournament instead of being left out. #341 is unnecessarily kneecapping your program.

    Cal is absolutely going to need to show something in conference. The UCLA win is a good win and is the thing keeping us in the conversation even though, as I said, Cal has done everything that can be reasonably expected. A win tonight would be huge. A blowout loss and people are going to seriously question us.


    There is no need to overload the OOC schedule when you're going to be playing a full round robin in the ACC, the same reason most SEC football teams have relatively easy nonconference scheds. At the end of the regular season, our SOS is going to be pretty decent.

    As well, with the amount of turnover you have in the current era, a decent team that hasn't yet gelled is vulnerable early in the season against a bad team, and a loss there would really wreck computer rankings. Having an easy OOC schedule with only a couple of good opponents helps give the new personnel time to gel before the challenging conference slate.



    I don't think you understand the magnitude of how bad the schedule is. There are only 24 teams out of 365 worse. I said play a schedule ranked 250 which should still put you in no danger of losing. I didn't say to load it up. Playing a schedule in the 340's is nonsensical
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    BearlyCareAnymore said:

    Cal88 said:

    BearlyCareAnymore said:

    barsad said:

    Harky4 said:

    Our strength of schedule is a dismal 141 which makes Lunardi's prediction understandable. The ACC games will allow us to see that SOS number decrease dramatically, but we will need to win at least half of those games to get into the dance.

    KenPom has our SOS at 341 out of 365 Div 1 teams, not sure where you're getting 141. You could say, what's the difference, but come March Madness time and the last spot is being handed to Cal or some other 19 or 20 win team, that extremely weak early schedule should be where we point if Cal misses the dance.


    There is really no excuse in making a schedule that is this weak. If Cal had the #250 ranked schedule they'd almost assuredly have the same record and would be rated higher in Kenpom and would probably be rated as getting in the tournament instead of being left out. #341 is unnecessarily kneecapping your program.

    Cal is absolutely going to need to show something in conference. The UCLA win is a good win and is the thing keeping us in the conversation even though, as I said, Cal has done everything that can be reasonably expected. A win tonight would be huge. A blowout loss and people are going to seriously question us.


    There is no need to overload the OOC schedule when you're going to be playing a full round robin in the ACC, the same reason most SEC football teams have relatively easy nonconference scheds. At the end of the regular season, our SOS is going to be pretty decent.

    As well, with the amount of turnover you have in the current era, a decent team that hasn't yet gelled is vulnerable early in the season against a bad team, and a loss there would really wreck computer rankings. Having an easy OOC schedule with only a couple of good opponents helps give the new personnel time to gel before the challenging conference slate.


    I don't think you understand the magnitude of how bad the schedule is. There are only 24 teams out of 365 worse. I said play a schedule ranked 250 which should still put you in no danger of losing. I didn't say to load it up. Playing a schedule in the 340's is nonsensical



    I do understand, and I have brought some perspective there which you didn't follow. The 18 ACC games we will play (plus a couple more in the ACC tourney) will have an associated SOS at the other end of the SOS spectrum, around the top 50-60 toughest, so our overall SOS at the end of the season will not be egregiously low.

    If you have a high turnover program. which we do, it would be advantageous to start the season with a soft OOC schedule and give the new team some space to get. The soft schedule did pay off for us as we enter the ACC sched with a NET in the 40s, already putting us on the bubble. Had we scheduled more teams in the #75-150 range and had an off day against them, we would have picked up a bad loss and been well outside the bubble going into conference play.
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    Cal88 said:

    BearlyCareAnymore said:

    barsad said:

    Harky4 said:

    Our strength of schedule is a dismal 141 which makes Lunardi's prediction understandable. The ACC games will allow us to see that SOS number decrease dramatically, but we will need to win at least half of those games to get into the dance.

    KenPom has our SOS at 341 out of 365 Div 1 teams, not sure where you're getting 141. You could say, what's the difference, but come March Madness time and the last spot is being handed to Cal or some other 19 or 20 win team, that extremely weak early schedule should be where we point if Cal misses the dance.


    There is really no excuse in making a schedule that is this weak. If Cal had the #250 ranked schedule they'd almost assuredly have the same record and would be rated higher in Kenpom and would probably be rated as getting in the tournament instead of being left out. #341 is unnecessarily kneecapping your program.

    Cal is absolutely going to need to show something in conference. The UCLA win is a good win and is the thing keeping us in the conversation even though, as I said, Cal has done everything that can be reasonably expected. A win tonight would be huge. A blowout loss and people are going to seriously question us.


    There is no need to overload the OOC schedule when you're going to be playing a full round robin in the ACC, the same reason most SEC football teams have relatively easy nonconference scheds. At the end of the regular season, our SOS is going to be pretty decent.

    As well, with the amount of turnover you have in the current era, a decent team that hasn't yet gelled is vulnerable early in the season against a bad team, and a loss there would really wreck computer rankings. Having an easy OOC schedule with only a couple of good opponents helps give the new personnel time to gel before the challenging conference slate.



    As an example, in game #12, we played the #362 rated team. 4th from the bottom. We could have played someone like 2-11 Eastern Washington who is rated 262 - 100 points higher. You should be 100% confident that you beat 2-11 Eastern Washington in the 12th game of the season.

    You should be playing the highest rated teams you can schedule that you are 100% certain you would beat. There are lots of teams that we could swap out for teams 50-100 spots higher and not break a sweat.

    We did this a few years under Braun as well. It makes zero sense. This is something that could mean you have to win more games in conference to get in the tournament.
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    Strykur said:

    Cal88 said:

    BearlyCareAnymore said:

    barsad said:

    Harky4 said:

    Our strength of schedule is a dismal 141 which makes Lunardi's prediction understandable. The ACC games will allow us to see that SOS number decrease dramatically, but we will need to win at least half of those games to get into the dance.

    KenPom has our SOS at 341 out of 365 Div 1 teams, not sure where you're getting 141. You could say, what's the difference, but come March Madness time and the last spot is being handed to Cal or some other 19 or 20 win team, that extremely weak early schedule should be where we point if Cal misses the dance.

    There is really no excuse in making a schedule that is this weak. If Cal had the #250 ranked schedule they'd almost assuredly have the same record and would be rated higher in Kenpom and would probably be rated as getting in the tournament instead of being left out. #341 is unnecessarily kneecapping your program.

    Cal is absolutely going to need to show something in conference. The UCLA win is a good win and is the thing keeping us in the conversation even though, as I said, Cal has done everything that can be reasonably expected. A win tonight would be huge. A blowout loss and people are going to seriously question us.

    There is no need to overload the OOC schedule when you're going to be playing a full round robin in the ACC, the same reason most SEC football teams have relatively easy nonconference scheds. At the end of the regular season, our SOS is going to be pretty decent.

    As well, with the amount of turnover you have in the current era, a decent team that hasn't yet gelled is vulnerable early in the season against a bad team, and a loss there would really wreck computer rankings. Having an easy OOC schedule with only a couple of good opponents helps give the new personnel time to gel before the challenging conference slate.

    Our 10th game of the season was a Division II school, this is all ****ing nonsense, there are 5 legit names on Louisville's schedule and they are only a dozen games in


    Yeah we could have had a Cal State or UC instead (SJSU, Long Beach, Riverside, Davis etc), agree with Calumnus there, but there is no reason to blow a gasket over a tuneup game.

    Ideal OOC opponents would be big name schools, or at least schools with some BB pedigree that aren't near their historic peaks, like Georgetown, Maryland, DePaul, UNLV etc.
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    Here are the NET Rankings:
    https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings

    I think the main thing I would point out is the NCAA doesn't even count our win over D2 Dominican as a Quad 4 win, or a win at all. They show us as 11-1. Otherwise our schedule looks a lot like LSU's who is currently #34.

    Here are our records by Quadrant:
    Quad 1: 1-1
    Quad 2: 0-0
    Quad 3: 4-0
    Quad 4: 6-0

    Here are our remaining games and the Quadrants they would currently fall under:
    Louisville 1
    Notre Dame 3
    @Vitginia 1
    @VT 1
    Duke 1
    UNC 1
    @furd 2
    @FSU 2
    @Miami 1
    GT 4
    Clemson 2
    @Syracuse 2
    @BC 3
    Stan 3
    SMU 2
    Pitt 3
    @GT 3
    @WF 1

    So at this point it would be 9 Quad 1 games, 5 Quad 2 games 9 Quad 3 games and 7 Quad 4 games, before the ACC Tournament, which is very respectable.

    The key is we should be 16-0 in Quad 3 and 4 games. We already have 1 win and 1 loss in Quad 1, so I think we need 5 more wins from our remaining 12 Quad 1 and Quad 2 games, more if we lose a Quad 3 or 4 game. Ideally we win the Quad 2 games and steal at least one Quad 1 game.
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    RedlessWardrobe said:

    Let me make an outrageous statement. How about an OOC schedule that's a mixture of all levels? I understand that some easier games at the beginning gives a team an opportunity to work on team issues, but honestly this year's OOC schedule could have had a couple of more challenges with a couple of less cupcakes. At some point playing better competition becomes beneficial to any team.

    It is ALWAYS hard for west coast teams (travel, lack of density) to get great opponents to come west. So if you want to play P4s you need to travel to THEM....and then hope you are sneaking in with 18 wins after getting beaten up in the pre season. Cal did not (not sure why - ask the powers that be) get a pre season tournie this year - not sure how the economics may (or may not) have changed.
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    calumnus said:

    Here are the NET Rankings:
    https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings

    I think the main thing I would point out is the NCAA doesn't even count our win over D2 Dominican as a Quad 4 win, or a win at all. They show us as 11-1. Otherwise our schedule looks a lot like LSU's who is currently #34.

    Here are our records by Quadrant:
    Quad 1: 1-1
    Quad 2: 0-0
    Quad 3: 4-0
    Quad 4: 6-0

    Here are our remaining games and the Quadrants they would currently fall under:
    Louisville 1
    Notre Dame 3
    @Vitginia 1
    @VT 1
    Duke 1
    UNC 1
    @furd 2
    @FSU 2
    @Miami 1
    GT 4
    Clemson 2
    @Syracuse 2
    @BC 3
    Stan 3
    SMU 2
    Pitt 3
    @GT 3
    @WF 1

    So at this point it would be 9 Quad 1 games, 5 Quad 2 games 9 Quad 3 games and 7 Quad 4 games, before the ACC Tournament, which is very respectable.

    The key is we should be 16-0 in Quad 3 and 4 games. We already have 1 win and 1 loss in Quad 1, so I think we need 5 more wins from our remaining 12 Quad 1 and Quad 2 games, more if we lose a Quad 3 or 4 game. Ideally we win the Quad 2 games and steal at least one Quad 1 game.

    As of today Vtech or Miami or Wake feel like the best chance before the tournament of getting one. Need to beat the domers Friday or we really will be hoping to get to 500 to make the NIT.

    Keep in mind how AWFUL things were left by the 2 prior coaches. I still would have picked the kicker for long term strategic reasons but we didn't. Key in year 4+ is getting an NIL budget that is at least in the mid tier of the ACC. Do you not think we and BC may have the smallest roster budget? I do.
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    socaltownie said:

    RedlessWardrobe said:

    Let me make an outrageous statement. How about an OOC schedule that's a mixture of all levels? I understand that some easier games at the beginning gives a team an opportunity to work on team issues, but honestly this year's OOC schedule could have had a couple of more challenges with a couple of less cupcakes. At some point playing better competition becomes beneficial to any team.

    It is ALWAYS hard for west coast teams (travel, lack of density) to get great opponents to come west. So if you want to play P4s you need to travel to THEM....and then hope you are sneaking in with 18 wins after getting beaten up in the pre season. Cal did not (not sure why - ask the powers that be) get a pre season tournie this year - not sure how the economics may (or may not) have changed.

    We should start a NorCal and/or UC or California December bracket. Top seeds host, with consolation games to fill everyone's schedules. Teams in the same conference on opposite sides so they can only meet on the championship game which would be the first game of league play too. Play for the NorCal, California or UC championship trophy.
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    calumnus said:

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    RedlessWardrobe said:

    Let me make an outrageous statement. How about an OOC schedule that's a mixture of all levels? I understand that some easier games at the beginning gives a team an opportunity to work on team issues, but honestly this year's OOC schedule could have had a couple of more challenges with a couple of less cupcakes. At some point playing better competition becomes beneficial to any team.

    It is ALWAYS hard for west coast teams (travel, lack of density) to get great opponents to come west. So if you want to play P4s you need to travel to THEM....and then hope you are sneaking in with 18 wins after getting beaten up in the pre season. Cal did not (not sure why - ask the powers that be) get a pre season tournie this year - not sure how the economics may (or may not) have changed.

    We should start a NorCal and/or UC or California December bracket. Top seeds host, with consolation games to fill everyone's schedules. Teams in the same conference on opposite sides so they can only meet on the championship game which would be the first game of league play too. Play for the NorCal, California or UC championship trophy.


    I do not disagree but it will.hurt our chances. Uci (for example) is a team we should beat 8 of 10 times. But those 2 are killer come march. Thry should not be. But they are because of how uci's sos falls when they get to big west
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    Cal88 said:

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    Our strength of schedule is a dismal 141 which makes Lunardi's prediction understandable. The ACC games will allow us to see that SOS number decrease dramatically, but we will need to win at least half of those games to get into the dance.

    KenPom has our SOS at 341 out of 365 Div 1 teams, not sure where you're getting 141. You could say, what's the difference, but come March Madness time and the last spot is being handed to Cal or some other 19 or 20 win team, that extremely weak early schedule should be where we point if Cal misses the dance.


    There is really no excuse in making a schedule that is this weak. If Cal had the #250 ranked schedule they'd almost assuredly have the same record and would be rated higher in Kenpom and would probably be rated as getting in the tournament instead of being left out. #341 is unnecessarily kneecapping your program.

    Cal is absolutely going to need to show something in conference. The UCLA win is a good win and is the thing keeping us in the conversation even though, as I said, Cal has done everything that can be reasonably expected. A win tonight would be huge. A blowout loss and people are going to seriously question us.


    There is no need to overload the OOC schedule when you're going to be playing a full round robin in the ACC, the same reason most SEC football teams have relatively easy nonconference scheds. At the end of the regular season, our SOS is going to be pretty decent.

    As well, with the amount of turnover you have in the current era, a decent team that hasn't yet gelled is vulnerable early in the season against a bad team, and a loss there would really wreck computer rankings. Having an easy OOC schedule with only a couple of good opponents helps give the new personnel time to gel before the challenging conference slate.


    I don't think you understand the magnitude of how bad the schedule is. There are only 24 teams out of 365 worse. I said play a schedule ranked 250 which should still put you in no danger of losing. I didn't say to load it up. Playing a schedule in the 340's is nonsensical



    I do understand, and I have brought some perspective there which you didn't follow. The 18 ACC games we will play (plus a couple more in the ACC tourney) will have an associated SOS at the other end of the SOS spectrum, around the top 50-60 toughest, so our overall SOS at the end of the season will not be egregiously low.

    If you have a high turnover program. which we do, it would be advantageous to start the season with a soft OOC schedule and give the new team some space to get. The soft schedule did pay off for us as we enter the ACC sched with a NET in the 40s, already putting us on the bubble. Had we scheduled more teams in the #75-150 range and had an off day against them, we would have picked up a bad loss and been well outside the bubble going into conference play.


    I said #250 schedule. I never said playing more teams in the #75 range. You should never play a team worse than 300.


    We played 291, 304, 308, 361, and a Div 2 team that doesn't count. Those 5 game should be against teams in the 200-250 range. For reference, the top of that range is #200 SJSU who is 5-8. I think we can manage that.

    I 100% agree with you that we should play a soft schedule. That is why I said you aren't understanding the magnitude of how easy this schedule is because you keep responding to me saying we shouldn't play hard teams when I said play the #250 schedule. I'm proposing playing a joke of a schedule. There is just zero advantage to going further down.

    Whoever scheduled Dominican should be fired. I seriously didn't think it was possible that we were playing THAT Dominican. I thought it must be someone else. I truly did not think Dominican had a team. It is like saying we are playing Mills College. We shouldn't be playing any team whose Mom's wash their jerseys after the game. Okay, that is unfair. They are adults. A few of them may do their own laundry.

    Also, everyone is a high turnover team now, and every ACC team plays an ACC schedule. It doesn't save us. But that isn't the point. We should play the highest SOS that maximizes wins. Otherwise you are giving away rankings. We are now 12-2 and rated 73. There is no reason we aren't in at least the top 60.
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    The magic wand can not be waved and you don't KNOW how awful some of these teams will be. Again, a problem on the west coast is that it is hard to predict with clarity the teams that are going to be in the #200 sweet spot. To be snarky - didn't really work out for Cal to schedule UCSD as a cream puff. Are we on a 2 or 3 game losing streak against the Tritons. SDSU would have been a bad luck scchedule this year - likely requiring a home and home. Some years losing to them isn't bad, this year would SUCK given their struggles. You can do the same thought exercise with St. Marys or USF.

    Now I will concede that I am not sure why not more San Jose States, Pacific, maybe USD, probably SaC state. Those should serve as the core. But scheduling is hard and who knows, they might not have been available OR they could have demanded home and home. The teams on our schedule are likely pay to play folks.

    And I would assume 1/3 to 1/2 of those games are Fox legacy matchups. We are blaming the powers that be about Domincan - might have been a deal done 3 years ago.
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