Second half effort would do it at Wake IMO

A team in the dregs losing another quiet home game, at least that is not us anymore

Bears cover by 9 and pay.

bearsandgiants said:

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This effort is embarrassing. Madsen isn't earning his salary.

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I guess we'll have to wait until the next loss to fire him.

Johnfox said:

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Have you come to your senses yet?

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Seriously. Hard to believe we won, given that 15 minutes into the game, a lot of our fans thought it was over.

Some of y'all ever heard the term "small sample size"? How about "ebb and flow"?

bearsandgiants said:

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JimSox said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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This effort is embarrassing. Madsen isn't earning his salary.

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I guess we'll have to wait until the next loss to fire him.

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you have 20/20 hindsight. It's amazing

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True. But I thought your critique of Madsen not earning his salary was premature. They came through and did what they needed to do against a bad team. It just took them way too long to do it because they were plagued by an inexplicable inability too do what they've done all season--hit threes. Eventually they regressed to the mean and started hitting them. Against Pitt that didn't happen. I prefer waiting until the game is over before making major pronouncements. Today the wait was worthwhile.
And my opinion on Madsen? Even if we lose our next two games, which is entirely possible, the turnaround in Cal's fortune this season shows that he has earned his salary. Maybe more. See you at the NIT. Unless we exceed expectations. Go Bears!

JimSox said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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JimSox said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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This effort is embarrassing. Madsen isn't earning his salary.

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I guess we'll have to wait until the next loss to fire him.

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you have 20/20 hindsight. It's amazing

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True. But I thought your critique of Madsen not earning his salary was premature. They came through and did what they needed to do against a bad team. It just took them way too long to do it because they were plagued by an inexplicable inability too do what they've done all season--hit threes. Eventually they regressed to the mean and started hitting them. Against Pitt that didn't happen. I prefer waiting until the game is over before making major pronouncements. Today the wait was worthwhile.
And my opinion on Madsen? Even if we lose our next two games, which is entirely possible, the turnaround in Cal's fortune this season shows that he has earned his salary. Maybe more. See you at the NIT. Unless we exceed expectations. Go Bears!

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Again, let me suggest that gamethreads need to be treated like a bunch of drunk Cal fans watching a game together: overreacting in the moment, because that is what they are. Leave the sober analysis and discussion of the coaches and players for the next day, preferably in a new thread. What's said in game thread stays in game thread.

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bearsandgiants said:

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JimSox said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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This effort is embarrassing. Madsen isn't earning his salary.

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I guess we'll have to wait until the next loss to fire him.

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you have 20/20 hindsight. It's amazing

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True. But I thought your critique of Madsen not earning his salary was premature. They came through and did what they needed to do against a bad team. It just took them way too long to do it because they were plagued by an inexplicable inability too do what they've done all season--hit threes. Eventually they regressed to the mean and started hitting them. Against Pitt that didn't happen. I prefer waiting until the game is over before making major pronouncements. Today the wait was worthwhile.
And my opinion on Madsen? Even if we lose our next two games, which is entirely possible, the turnaround in Cal's fortune this season shows that he has earned his salary. Maybe more. See you at the NIT. Unless we exceed expectations. Go Bears!

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Plus many. AND today we added a 7 foot consensus top 50 recruit. Yeah. He is thin but lots of bigs are and he is a legit stretch 4/5.

Has Madsent been massive 1 year turn around magician? No. But Cal plays with a Honda budget. The worst cal fans are those that act like we are Duke when we spend like San Jose State and support our AD like Yale.For the waters we actually swim in Madsen has been a home run hire. Want better? Dig d$$p.

calumnus said:

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socaltownie said:

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JimSox said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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JimSox said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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This effort is embarrassing. Madsen isn't earning his salary.

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I guess we'll have to wait until the next loss to fire him.

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you have 20/20 hindsight. It's amazing

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True. But I thought your critique of Madsen not earning his salary was premature. They came through and did what they needed to do against a bad team. It just took them way too long to do it because they were plagued by an inexplicable inability too do what they've done all season--hit threes. Eventually they regressed to the mean and started hitting them. Against Pitt that didn't happen. I prefer waiting until the game is over before making major pronouncements. Today the wait was worthwhile.
And my opinion on Madsen? Even if we lose our next two games, which is entirely possible, the turnaround in Cal's fortune this season shows that he has earned his salary. Maybe more. See you at the NIT. Unless we exceed expectations. Go Bears!

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Plus many. AND today we added a 7 foot consensus top 50 recruit. Yeah. He is thin but lots of bigs are and he is a legit stretch 4/5.

Has Madsent been massive 1 year turn around magician? No. But Cal plays with a Honda budget. The worst cal fans are those that act like we are Duke when we spend like San Jose State and support our AD like Yale.For the waters we actually swim in Madsen has been a home run hire. Want better? Dig d$$p.

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I don't know yet whether Madsen is a home run hire, but at least a solid single and not a strike out.This year is not over. Even then I would normally want to see how he does next year in year 4 before deciding. However, Knowlton gave him a contract extension until 2030 so any debate at this point is pointless. We are not replacing him anytime soon. We all just have to root for him,support him with NIL and hope he eventually delivers a tournament team.

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I guess. I want to keep things in check. But it is important to note that Cal RARELY hits singles and usually has, since 1960, gone down swinging on three balls WAY out side the strike zone.

Monty was a VERY strange outlier - a HOF coach that had been fired from the Warriors after finding out the NBA sucks and who didn't want to leave the Bay Area. Absent those circumstances I think we would have whiffed again (or more Braun). I am a big Martin fan but it is also clear his commitment to the institution wasn't deep and his resume after leaving was at best Meh and probably bad.

I still can see the logic (and do not disagree with it) about Pasternack and getting the donation for the practice facility and likely NIL $$$. But Madsent is proving that he is a great fit for Cal and one of the best in the nation in getting kids ready for the show. Justin should be thinking about his time at Michigan, his time at Cal and whether going for the bag at a place that will view him as another cog in the blue blood machine is the best move.

Madsen is doing an excellent job, is a great leader, program builder and total class act, the most likeable and personable head coach we've had in decades. Signing him on a long contract is the only positive legacy from Knowlton's disastrous tenure.

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Madsen is doing an excellent job, is a great leader, program builder and total class act, the most likeable and personable head coach we've had in decades. Signing him on a long contract is the only positive legacy from Knowlton's disastrous tenure.

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Well - that and hiring him (heard stories that a few folks had to put in some work to convince JK to do so).

calumnus said:

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socaltownie said:

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JimSox said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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JimSox said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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This effort is embarrassing. Madsen isn't earning his salary.

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I guess we'll have to wait until the next loss to fire him.

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you have 20/20 hindsight. It's amazing

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True. But I thought your critique of Madsen not earning his salary was premature. They came through and did what they needed to do against a bad team. It just took them way too long to do it because they were plagued by an inexplicable inability too do what they've done all season--hit threes. Eventually they regressed to the mean and started hitting them. Against Pitt that didn't happen. I prefer waiting until the game is over before making major pronouncements. Today the wait was worthwhile.
And my opinion on Madsen? Even if we lose our next two games, which is entirely possible, the turnaround in Cal's fortune this season shows that he has earned his salary. Maybe more. See you at the NIT. Unless we exceed expectations. Go Bears!

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Plus many. AND today we added a 7 foot consensus top 50 recruit. Yeah. He is thin but lots of bigs are and he is a legit stretch 4/5.

Has Madsent been massive 1 year turn around magician? No. But Cal plays with a Honda budget. The worst cal fans are those that act like we are Duke when we spend like San Jose State and support our AD like Yale.For the waters we actually swim in Madsen has been a home run hire. Want better? Dig d$$p.

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I don't know yet whether Madsen is a home run hire, but at least a solid single and not a strike out.This year is not over. Even then I would normally want to see how he does next year in year 4 before deciding. However, Knowlton gave him a contract extension until 2030 so any debate at this point is pointless. We are not replacing him anytime soon. We all just have to root for him,support him with NIL and hope he eventually delivers a tournament team.

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The long term success of Madsen will nearly be 100% dependent on how successful Cal is in getting a good NIL budget. I think he is a competent enough coach and players do seem to improve under his watch.

What will be crucial IMO is being able to compete for a few guys that are true impact guys. I have no idea how close Cal is to providing a good NIL budget. But if they can make that breakthrough then I do think we will really be able to see if Madsen is a home run hire or something else.

In the current environment you see players all over the nation leaving for money or PT. Teams do not stay together like they used to. So you need a strong annual NIL budget. I think Cal is making some headway in that area. But I keep reading that a few big donors are still needed.

I have a few questions still regarding Madsen as a game day coach, but he has been better this season. But unless he is given the sort of NIL budget needed to acquire a better overall roster and a few real impact guys it will be hard to tell just how good an actual coach he is. These days the better teams are stocked with talent. Given all the turnover it is too hard to rely on player development and continuity.

6956bear said:

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calumnus said:

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socaltownie said:

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JimSox said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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JimSox said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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This effort is embarrassing. Madsen isn't earning his salary.

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I guess we'll have to wait until the next loss to fire him.

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you have 20/20 hindsight. It's amazing

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True. But I thought your critique of Madsen not earning his salary was premature. They came through and did what they needed to do against a bad team. It just took them way too long to do it because they were plagued by an inexplicable inability too do what they've done all season--hit threes. Eventually they regressed to the mean and started hitting them. Against Pitt that didn't happen. I prefer waiting until the game is over before making major pronouncements. Today the wait was worthwhile.
And my opinion on Madsen? Even if we lose our next two games, which is entirely possible, the turnaround in Cal's fortune this season shows that he has earned his salary. Maybe more. See you at the NIT. Unless we exceed expectations. Go Bears!

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Plus many. AND today we added a 7 foot consensus top 50 recruit. Yeah. He is thin but lots of bigs are and he is a legit stretch 4/5.

Has Madsent been massive 1 year turn around magician? No. But Cal plays with a Honda budget. The worst cal fans are those that act like we are Duke when we spend like San Jose State and support our AD like Yale.For the waters we actually swim in Madsen has been a home run hire. Want better? Dig d$$p.

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I don't know yet whether Madsen is a home run hire, but at least a solid single and not a strike out.This year is not over. Even then I would normally want to see how he does next year in year 4 before deciding. However, Knowlton gave him a contract extension until 2030 so any debate at this point is pointless. We are not replacing him anytime soon. We all just have to root for him,support him with NIL and hope he eventually delivers a tournament team.

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The long term success of Madsen will nearly be 100% dependent on how successful Cal is in getting a good NIL budget. I think he is a competent enough coach and players do seem to improve under his watch.

What will be crucial IMO is being able to compete for a few guys that are true impact guys. I have no idea how close Cal is to providing a good NIL budget. But if they can make that breakthrough then I do think we will really be able to see if Madsen is a home run hire or something else.

In the current environment you see players all over the nation leaving for money or PT. Teams do not stay together like they used to. So you need a strong annual NIL budget. I think Cal is making some headway in that area. But I keep reading that a few big donors are still needed.

I have a few questions still regarding Madsen as a game day coach, but he has been better this season. But unless he is given the sort of NIL budget needed to acquire a better overall roster and a few real impact guys it will be hard to tell just how good an actual coach he is. These days the better teams are stocked with talent. Given all the turnover it is too hard to rely on player development and continuity.

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Now that Madsen's recruiting is picking-up, also need the NIL budget to retain players.