Ruins, zeroes and Bears at 13-5...do we win?

GRRAAH;842091397 said:

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Ruins, zeroes and Bears at 13-5...do we win?

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#1 Cal (3-1 vs UO and UCLA)
#2 Oregon (1-2 vs Cal and UCLA; 1-0 vs UCLA)
#3 UCLA (1-2 vs Cal and UO; 0-1 vs UO)

We do!!!:gobears:

aunursa;842091398 said:

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#1 Cal (3-1 vs UO and UCLA)
#2 Oregon (1-2 vs Cal and UCLA; 1-0 vs UCLA)
#3 UCLA (1-2 vs Cal and UO; 0-1 vs UO)

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Awesome...and if zeroes lose both...ruins split and we tie just them? Better overall record gives to them?

GRRAAH;842091410 said:

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Awesome...and if zeroes lose both...ruins split and we tie just them? Better overall record gives to them?

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If Oregon finishes alone in 3rd place, we would win a tiebreaker with UCLA based on a better record vs Oregon (2-0 vs 0-1.)

If Oregon and Arizona finish in a tie for 3rd place, we would win a tiebreaker with UCLA based on a better record vs Oregon and Arizona (3-0 vs 3-1.)

If Saturday's ucla-udumb game means anything, I will be horribly torn about attending that game or the women's tourney at Key!

Go Bears!

aunursa;842091411 said:

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If Oregon finishes alone in 3rd place, we would win a tiebreaker with UCLA based on a better record vs Oregon (2-0 vs 0-1.)

If Oregon and Arizona finish in a tie for 3rd place, we would win a tiebreaker with UCLA based on a better record vs Oregon and Arizona (3-0 vs 3-1.)

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Wow...so our records against those BEHIND us would have an impact? Thanks

GRRAAH;842091413 said:

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Wow...so our records against those BEHIND us would have an impact? Thanks

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When two teams are tied, if head-to-head is a tie, for the next tie-breaker you compare both teams record versus the conference team or teams with the best record (or next best record.) If both teams have the same record, you continue down the conference standings until you find one team with a better record.

Thus if the season ended today, for seeding purposes any ties in the standings (in which the tied teams were 1-1 against each other) would be broken by comparing each team's combined records against first place Oregon and UCLA. If the tie remains, then their records against 3rd place Cal, then 4th place Arizona, and so on until the tie is broken.

aunursa;842091415 said:

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When two teams are tied, if head-to-head is a tie, for the next tie-breaker you compare both teams record versus the conference team or teams with the best record (or next best record.) If both teams have the same record, you continue down the conference standings until you find one team with a better record.

Thus if the season ended today, for seeding purposes any ties in the standings (in which the tied teams were 1-1 against each other) would be broken by comparing each team's combined records against first place Oregon and UCLA. If the tie remains, then their records aConferees place Cal, then 4th place Arizona, and so on until the tie is broken.

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Terrific and real possibility!!

Thanks to you and other great posters for your patient analysis.

Go Bears

GRRAAH;842091412 said:

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If Saturday's ucla-udumb game means anything, I will be horribly torn about attending that game or the women's tourney at Key!

Go Bears!

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Attend the Women's Tourney. The Lady Bears deserve every bit of support from us.

OneTopOneChickenApple;842091427 said:

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Attend the Women's Tourney. The Lady Bears deserve every bit of support from us.

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I think that's a good call. As impressive as our men have been over the last month, the ladies have been doing it for the entire season.

Are these tie-breaker rules used to determine the conference champion, or just seeding for the conference tourney? I thought a tie atop the conference would result in co-champions. No?

rocketsBLUEglare;842091527 said:

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Are these tie-breaker rules used to determine the conference champion, or just seeding for the conference tourney? I thought a tie atop the conference would result in co-champions. No?

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You are correct. The tie-breakers are used only to determine Pac 12 Tournament seeding .... and to stimulate additional discussion threads on fan sites. ;-)

OneTopOneChickenApple;842091427 said:

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Attend the Women's Tourney. The Lady Bears deserve every bit of support from us.

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I agree. That's a no-brainer for me when Cal is not in the other game.

Can someone clarify for what is the official pac-12 policy in terms of conference championship?
Is it the conf season winner?
the conf. tourney winner?
or are there 2 championships to be had, one for each?

what goes in the official record books

Teams that finish with the best conference records are conference champions. If there is a tie in 1st place then you have co-champions. There is absolutely nothing special about tie-breakers at the top except for P12 tourney seeding purposes.

RicoRico;842091645 said:

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Can someone clarify for what is the official pac-12 policy in terms of conference championship?
Is it the conf season winner?
the conf. tourney winner?
or are there 2 championships to be had, one for each?

what goes in the official record books

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Oh boy, here we go....

Traditionalists would answer "A" (conference season winner). But the Buffs hung a banner for winning the conference tourney last year, so "C" (2 championships to be had) is apparently gaining momentum.

rocketsBLUEglare;842091700 said:

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the Buffs hung a banner for winning the conference tourney last year, so "C" (2 championships to be had) is apparently gaining momentum.

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Was it a "Pac 12 Champions" banner? Or a "Pac 12 Tournament Champions" banner?

aunursa;842091704 said:

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Was it a "Pac 12 Champions" banner? Or a "Pac 12 Tournament Champions" banner?

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OneTopOneChickenApple;842091427 said:

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Attend the Women's Tourney. The Lady Bears deserve every bit of support from us.

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No brainer even for me.

Leg Humper game is in the afternoon...we will play at night! Doubleheader... although the way the Huskies look against the Cougs today

GRRAAH;842091412 said:

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If Saturday's ucla-udumb game means anything, I will be horribly torn about attending that game or the women's tourney at Key!

Go Bears!

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UW-UCLA game is at 1pm. No conflict w/ the Women's Tourney Semis.

If Cal beats Furd, and Oregon has already lost to CU (Thursday eve), I would think it would be a really fun game. UCLA is UCLA and UW fans would be into it even if their season has been somewhat derailed. There will probably never be another game at Hec Ed where you would be cheering for the home teams as much as the home fans.

ColoradoBear1;842091713 said:

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UW-UCLA game is at 1pm. No conflict w/ the Women's Tourney Semis.

If Cal beats Furd, and Oregon has already lost to CU (Thursday eve), I would think it would be a really fun game. UCLA is UCLA and UW fans would be into it even if their season has been somewhat derailed. There will probably never be another game at Hec Ed where you would be cheering for the home teams as much as the home fans.

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You said it...even before Toshgate!

Actually have many good huskie friends...but enjoy most when they are whipped!

ColoradoBear1;842091713 said:

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UW-UCLA game is at 1pm.

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Yahoo and ESPN have it at 200pm Eastern, 1100am Pacific. Is that wrong?

aunursa;842091411 said:

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If Oregon finishes alone in 3rd place, we would win a tiebreaker with UCLA based on a better record vs Oregon (2-0 vs 0-1.)

If Oregon and Arizona finish in a tie for 3rd place, we would win a tiebreaker with UCLA based on a better record vs Oregon and Arizona (3-0 vs 3-1.)

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So you're saying... There's a CHANCE!!

rocketsBLUEglare;842091708 said:

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Their banner is guilty of hyperbole. Even the Media Guide says "2011-12 Pac-12 Tournament Champions"

http://www.cubuffs.com/fls/600/mbb/2012-13_Info_Guide/inside_front_cover.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=600

From the Pac-12 News Relaease:

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Reigning NIT champion Stanford is slotted fourth in the poll, while reigning Pac-12 regular season champion Washington was ranked fifth. Colorado, the defending Pac-12 Tournament champion, is picked sixth.

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